Italy 2-1 Germany: Balotelli double

The line-ups for most of the first half, after Ozil and Kroos switched early on
Jogi Low tried to change his shape to compete in the centre of midfield, but Italy produced an excellent performance to qualify for the final.
Cesare Prandelli kept his diamond system. Giorgio Chiellini returned at left-back, but Ignazio Abate was unfit, so Federico Balzaretti moved over to an unfamiliar right-back role.
Jogi Low had decisions to make in his front four, with only Mesut Ozil sure of his place. Mario Gomez was chosen ahead of Miroslav Klose, and Lukas Podolski was selected rather than Andre Schurrle. But the real surprise was in the other role, as Toni Kroos came into the side.
That was an attempt to deal with Italy’s midfield diamond, but Germany didn’t have the right structure in the centre of the pitch and were disappointing for long periods.
Ozil / Kroos
The use of Kroos was a big surprise, though it wasn’t an illogical decision. Italy’s clear area of strength was the centre of their midfield, where they use four very fine passers. Germany only play with two men in that zone, with Ozil much higher up, so when the teamsheets were unveiled and Kroos was in Germany’s XI, it was widely expected that he’d be a third central midfielder, allowing Germany to battle in that zone, with Ozil on the right.
From the start of the game, however, it was the other way around. Ozil played in his usual central position, Kroos was on the right. After around eight minutes, they switched. Was this a deliberate tactic from Low, to trick Prandelli into thinking Germany were playing a different way? Did he suddenly get concerned that Ozil wouldn’t be able to pick up Andrea Pirlo? Or had he told Kroos and Ozil to rotate, and that was simply how things turned out?
Whatever the true story, Germany ended up with Kroos in the centre of the pitch – broadly picking up Pirlo. Ozil took up a position on the right but drifted inside onto his left foot quickly.
Problems
This gave Germany two problems. First, Kroos didn’t do a particularly good job on Pirlo. It wasn’t as bad as Wayne Rooney’s performance on Sunday, because Kroos at least spent much of his time goalside of Pirlo. But he constantly didn’t put enough pressure on and dropped too deep. That would later be a factor for Italy’s first goal, as the move stemmed from a long Pirlo diagonal, and though he wasn’t as pivotal as against England (naturally, as Italy had less of the ball), he was still the key midfielder. Daniele De Rossi did a good job alongside him, covering when Pirlo moved forward.
Second, Germany didn’t attack with enough width – which was strange as Italy’s full-backs had no protection from ahead because of Italy’s narrow shape in midfield. Furthermore, both Chiellini and Balzaretti were playing away from their normal positions (Chiellini can play left-back, but is more renowned as a centre-back), so these were the players Germany should have attacked, but both got away without much of a test.
You can understand what Low was thinking – he wanted a third central midfielder and couldn’t drop Ozil so had to play him wide. This meant he could compete against a diamond with four central players within the natural 4-2-3-1 (a slightly obscure link would be the way Manchester United outplayed (but lost to) Chelsea at Stamford Bridge three years ago) then have natural width on the other side, with the use of Podolski. But even Podolski was dragged into the midfield battle without the ball – Balzaretti barely went forward and wasn’t a threat – and Podolski had little attacking impact on the game.
But Germany did enjoy a decent opening, and created a couple of good opportunities. A couple of times they found space either side of Pirlo to have long-range attempts, but like other matches this tournament – Portugal 3-2 Denmark, Spain 2-0 France, Portugal 0-0 Spain – the movement came primarily from one side of the pitch – Germany’s right, Italy’s left.
Germany right / Italy left
This was a complex situation. Italy didn’t have anyone on that side because of the diamond, while Ozil moved inside quickly into central playmaking positions. That meant both the full-backs had space to exploit, but both did so only sporadically. Jerome Boateng was troubled by the movement of Antonio Cassano into the channels, but on two occasions he overlapped swiftly, was unmarked, and provided dangerous crosses. The first nearly produced a calamitous own goal.
Chiellini attacked less frequently, and because of his natural tendencies as a centre-back, plus the movement of Ozil, he often got dragged narrow next to his centre-backs. But when he did attack, no-one picked him up. Ozil didn’t seem to have any defensive responsibilities, and when Chiellini got forward early on, it was Boateng who came out to meet him.
The first Italian goal showed the two major things Germany were getting wrong – first, despite the initial pressure from Ozil, he drops off Pirlo and allows him time to play a long pass to the flanks. Second, because Ozil is in the centre, Kroos presumably should have been on the right (or at least in a right-centre position, where he could shuttle over towards Chiellini). Instead, Chiellini is completely unmarked. This forces Boateng out, which in turn allows Cassano space and brings Mats Hummels out, and then after a brilliant turn and cross from Cassano, Balotelli overpowers Holger Badstuber, left isolated in the middle, and heads in.
The goal could have been prevented along the way with better defending, but it seemed from Germany abandoning the right flank and allowing Chiellini space. That was only acceptable if they were competing in the middle and not allowing Pirlo space.

1-0
Another interesting feature was the positioning of the two defences. Italy kept a high line, pushing Mario Gomez away from goal. Germany played deeper than usual, probably as they were afraid of Balotelli’s pace, having seen how he got a couple of chances from long balls over the top against England. This changed after Italy went ahead, as Germany were forced to push forward, and Italy sat back.
Italy shifted to a slightly more defensive system at 1-0 up. The forwards played wider and deeper, often drifting into zones that made the German full-backs nervous about getting forward, for fear they should be picking them up. Most impressive was the role of Riccardo Montolivo – he constantly chased high up the pitch and disturbed Germany’s passing rhythm in midfield. Often he conceded free-kicks, but the spoiling job was done, and he could then shuttle back into a deeper position to join Pirlo. Sometimes, Italy’s midfield looked more like a flat four when defending, especially when the ball was wide.

Montolivo’s main contribution was in attack, though – with a tremendous ball over the top for Balotelli’s second goal, after Italy had kept two strikers high up the pitch when defending a corner. Germany’s three should have been able to cope, though.
Second half
Italy were firmly in control, and Low needed to make dramatic changes. He did – Klose replaced Gomez, while Marco Reus replaced Podolski, and went to the right. Ozil was in the centre, and Toni Kroos started on the left and moved inside into the middle, safe in the knowledge that Balzaretti wasn’t attacking much.
Germany had a good spell of pressure for the first 15 minutes of the second half, producing a couple of chances – one fell to Philipp Lahm, who moved forward well from the left-back position, with no direct opponent.
Italy subs
But Prandelli used his bench very wisely. He replaced Montolivo, who had covered a lot of ground, and introduced Thiago Motta as a more defensive option. He then withdrew Cassano and brought on Alessandro Diamanti, who played much deeper and was constantly in a position to link the play and retain possession. The introduction of Antonio Di Natale for Balotelli was another good move, as the Udinese striker was a threat on the break and should have scored a third.
In fact, Italy had plenty of opportunities on the counter-attack, probably more than Germany produced in the second half. Some wasteful finishing prevented them from extending their lead, but Prandelli’s substitutions helped stop Germany having such long spells of pressure, and gave Italy fresh legs to attack.
Low’s final move was Thomas Muller replacing Boateng, who wasn’t attacking enough from right-back. This was the last roll of the dice – Bastian Schweinsteiger ended up playing as a makeshift right-back, Khedira was the sole central player, and Muller joined Kroos, Ozil, Reus and Klose in attack. This didn’t really work – Low had to gamble, but Germany had little structure to attack within, and were shambolic in their attempts to press and win the ball quickly. A late penalty gave them hope, but Italy merited their victory.
Conclusion
Did Low adapt his side too much? Or not enough? Having spoken of the need for Germany to play their own game, it was a surprise to see Kroos in the starting line-up. But from there, Germany didn’t have a clear plan to stop Italy in the midfield zone; Pirlo wasn’t picked up effectively, while Montolivo and De Rossi also had excellent games. Germany didn’t play to their strengths, nor nullify Italy’s.
Italy’s goals were well-worked and expertly finished, but the most impressive part of their display was the defensive side of things. The defence kept a high line in the first half, then defended well inside the box when Germany piled on the pressure. Montolivo’s role was also crucial in stopping Germany building attacks from deep.
Tactically the game will be remembered for Low’s tinkering, rather than Prandelli’s instructions. That’s a shame, as this was Italy’s best performance at this tournament by a distance – previously they’d failed to beat anyone aside from an Ireland side already eliminated, but here they conclusively defeated a very strong side. Having performed well against Spain with a 3-5-2 system in their opening game, Prandelli must now decide whether to stick with the diamond for the final.





Two good finishes from Balotelli. Surprised in a way.
The four Italian CM’s played excellently and Germany never really got a hold of the ball to play like they usually do, in my opinion.
Same eleven for the final???
Good question but it links in with Italy’s choice of formation. This also leaves Del Bosque in a very awkward position as he cannot anticipate Italy’s formation.
So, 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 diamond? I’d say 3 at the back because it gives less error for Spain to capitalise on and the narrowness wouldn’t be exploited by Spain. This makes me a bit nervous as Chiellini has uncharacteristically made mistakes leading to goals against Croatia and Spain.
Fun fact: Italy haven’t conceded from open play in knock-out rounds since South Korea 2002
Great fun fact!
Yes because they barely played any knock out games
Yeah, right, thats why they won the title in 06 and are in the final again…
“Sometimes, Italy’s midfield looked more like a flat four when defending, especially when the ball was wide.” It’s good to see that they’re not too proud to learn from Uncle Roy. Or, put otherwise, comparing Italy to England shows that England’s problems aren’t tactical, they all come back to a shortage of gifted footballers. Well played, Italy! No shortage there.
02- last 16 conceded a header from a cross i think
04 – didnt play KO round went out with 5 points, the same as sweden and denmark who played a 2-2 that suited them both… suspiciously
06 – played all the knockout rounds and did not concede from open play all tournament
10 – didn’t play knockout rounds but conceded 3 or 4 goals from open play
12 – have only conceded a penalty in KO rounds
Give me a break, yesterday they played their 7th KO game since 2002.
portugal – 10 KO games (all not including 2002)
france – 6
Germany – 11
spain – 11
england – 5
netherlands – 8
spain – 11
Italy – 8 (including the upcoming final)
Give you a break? from what… 8 isn’t bad, considering the best is 11.
Questioning Italy’s participation in knockout games is a bit daft.
until now it is still 7 but come on you guys isn’t my point obvious? looking for streaks doesn’t make any sense at all when italy got kicked out twice in the knock out stages. if they had been elimanted by penalties in 2004 and 2010 after 0-0 i would say ok.
a lot more impressive about italy’s participation is their six year rhythm since 1982: playing one great tournament followed by two indifferent tournaments if even qualifying (home advantage 1990 proving the rule). but please no artificial streaks.
Since Euro 1988, Italy has played 49 competitive games (tonight will be the 50th) and they have only conceded more than a goal in a game 5 times. More interestingly, they have only been eliminated by penalties or 85+’ equaliser then golden goal (happened twice). If Spain knock them out in the 90′ then it will be the first time since the Soviet Union did so 50 games ago (Euro 1988). Creepy.
This really emphasises the saying that you don’t want to be a goal down to Italy (unless you think you will score in the last 5 minutes!)
Of course Italians know how to defend and they are always difficult to play against.
But, again, 1992, 1996, 2004 and 2010 Italy were kicked out in the group stages or in the case of 1992 they did not qualify.
Your stats look impressive, but you are taking only a subset of Italy’s tournament record, one which takes by definition Italy’s better results.
You make me laugh with all your tactical shit . If germany scored only one of the 4 or 5 100% chances in the first 20 minutes then the match would go out 2:0 or 3:1 maybe higher for germany. The match was in germans hand when italy scored.You all forgot one thing: LUCK. Without thé rigth amount of luck you Will not win any championship . Look at spain against croatia . If raketic scored his header spain would be at home now.
Italy only shoots 4 on target and scored 2. Germany scored 1 of 8. The luck was on italians side thats all
Very good display from the italian team and spot analysis as usual.
I simply do not understand why Loew refused to use his team’s advantage on either flanks. Besides why use Gomez if you are not going to feed him with crosses? Why put extra men on the center of the pitch if they are not going to press effectively THE player of the opposing side? This is just beyond me. It was a pure tactical melt down from Loew and it ultimately shows that the Germans were not that confident before the game, and this fear may have cost them the game.
good point about Gomez, Klose probably shoulda started b/c he really dragged Bonucci/Barzagli outta position when he came on. Why play a target man if there’s no one to give him crosses indeed…
Kroos marking Pirlo actually did seem like a smart move to me, but it just didn’t work well enough (probably because Kroos is too used to dropping deep to link midfield and attack). Ozil seems to be becoming a liability with his non-existent defending too
it seemed to me that Khedira became right back after Boateng went off actually
i think it was more Schweini drop back to create a back three, and play as a sweeper. I think it’s just tactical blunder from Jogi. He tried to amend it at 2nd half, but it was 45 minutes too late.
Nice devensive play by the italians
He did for the move directly after that substitution, but following that i was Schweini.
Very nice analyses. To be honest I did not notice that much Montolivo’s job but it seems he has done what Kroos was supposed to do.
I expected Italy to win over Germany just because Italy seems to have the better tactical approach. As someone else mentioned in the preview with the diamond system it is expected Italy to over run Germany’s mid in their 4-2-3-1. However I am not sure the diamond will do the job against Spains 6 midfielders. Perhaps playing a 3-5-2 will be a better idea in order to win the battle for the mid. Now when having the Juve’s back 3 fit and Maggio to play the right wing back it seems the better choice even on fitness terms.
Who are the suspended players for both teams is there are any?
seems like you’re mixing Spain and Germany up a lot
Even though Italy stopped Spain with the 3-5-2, the diamond 4-4-2 should be just as effective.
Germany failed to stretch play with their biggest threat Ozil always going through the middle and Gomez static. Spain are so narrow when they play their rotating false nine formation of 4-2-4-0. Iniesta, Fabregas, and Silva are always cutting inside looking for central pockets of space.
Spain are going to need a Navas or Pedro for the final.
I agree. I think Italy going through is great because i thought that if Germany went through it would be a repeat of the world cup semi final (Spain would dominate Germany’s midfield). Germany’s main problem this Euro was playing way too adventurous. It made for open games but they were very open at the back. When we (Greece) scored two goals without ever looking dangerous should have been a warning. People took that game and thought Germany seemed all conquering but the truth is we had a very poor tournament and made them look better than they were.
Obviously, Germany should have used width better. They have an aerial threat yet they did not use it correctly. I thought Kroos was the only one with a clear mind to pass to an open teammate after the 60 minute mark. Everybody else went too direct which played right into Italy’s hands. I thought Schweinsteiger and Lahm having poor games was also a major factor in the game. These two are Germany’s talismans.
this is a very good point.
If 2012’s Greece can somehow put two past your defence that’s a sign that you need to tighten things up.
One was on a non-penalty, and the other was a foul by Samaras. You could say dumb things like that about any team. Italy, for example, have only beat one other team at this tournament in ninety minutes: Ireland. If you can only beat Ireland (and Germany, who, as you said, allowed two goals to Greece), that’s a sign that …
what was also interesting was the fact that in the second half with germany attacking down their right wing the crosses produced were poor often met by an italian head.
of interest has been how sides in trying to nullify the opponents have ended up weakening their attacking potential; germany trying to match italy in midfield and portugal pressing spain thus unanble to mount serious counter attacks even though they did manage to nullify spain.
Crosses by Boateng are generally poor, and Reus also is more somebody who cuts inside than somebody who provides quality crosses.. and the same goes for Müller, who also should not have played, seeing how he was in tremendously poor form recently.
Not really. Scored in CL final, has been decent this tournament, although no goals. Not had a great year by his standards, but still better than anyone else available save Reus (remember, Goetze isn’t fit).
I found it bizarre that Germany persisted with Boateng at right back for so long, given that he’s not great in possession and was often the spare man. Surely, Loew should have considered switching Lahm to right back, cos he’s much better going forward?
The lack of a genuine winger also seemed to be a problem. Contrast with Spain’s use of Navas to rectify their lack of width against Croatia.
In my view Schmelzer should have played from the beginning. I don’t rate Boateng as a FB whatsoever.
‘The lack of a genuine winger also seemed to be a problem. Contrast with Spain’s use of Navas to rectify their lack of width against Croatia.’ – Excellent point, the closest they have is Muller. Case for inclusion of Kevin Großkreutz in future squads?
Big fan of Grosskreutz and his work ethic.
yeah, I do not understand why Schmeltzer is not preferred – I’d move Boateng to CB (I think he’s on record as preferring to play there anyway) and drop Badstuber to make way for the Dortmund fullback.
I was surprised at Germany’s inability to make use of the flanks. Perhaps need to give credit to Italian midfielders — they worked their tails off, and always seemed to “flatten” out in time to prevent 2-on-1’s, while not neglecting to press Germany high up the pitch, or dropping deep when defense needed help — all of it despite having significantly less rest! I want to re-watch the game, Italian midfield seems to be working like clockwork.
Spain will need to improve significantly to have offensive success against Italy. I think they need Fabregas back as false 9, and attack using fast wingers like Pedro. Spain’s forwards are just not cutting it (in these formations). Also pretty clear that they need Iniesta as the attacking central midfielder, Xavi deeper, and Busquets holding. If political considerations are a must, start X.Alonso instead of Xavi, but both of them can’t happen, central midfield becomes too slow/deliberate. Also D.Silva is superfluous, what they need from wing is not additional play-making, but aggression and fast cutting runs. (I’m mostly just re-stating what was said by ZM and commenters before). Hopefully Del Bosque has given everybody enough time on the pitch to justify simply fielding the most effective team without endangering long term ego bruising lol.
I agree with everything you say, but I think VDB has made it quite clear he is going to field busquets, alonso, and xavi in the same midfield no matter what. A shame really, but you can’t argue with his choice of morale-boosting and team chemistry over tactics at this point
If Del Bosque is going to field the most effective team, he should drop Xavi and move Iniesta inside, and bring on Pedro on the left.
This was dreadful by Germany.
First of all, all the crosses in the box were sickeningly pointless. Yes, at times Buffon looked shaky and Klose heads well, but crossing against Bonucci, Chiellini, and Barzagli is just a desperate strategy that leads nowhere.
Second, Badstuber and Hummels are a huge liability. Hummels is too aggressive coming forward and drags the line too far forward. Badstuber just isn’t great and that compounds the problems.
Nothing about this performance was good. Italy should have won 5-1.
Agreed. I though the German defense looked dodgy against Denmark and Portugal. Today they were found out and you’re right, some poor finishing aside, this could of been 5-1.
Hummels turns like a rusty Tiger tank. He made Samaras look quick against and Cassano burned him for the first goal.
Never really rated Badstuber as an international CB.
Jesus one bad game and your writing them off. Hummels has had an excellent tournament, while Badstuber reached the CL final this season and has had a good tournament. Germany have had a strong defence that has allowed them to play a high line and a possession based game.
They struggled today against the Italian strikers movement, but it was the first time at this tournament they were really exposed. I would expect these two to stsy as the German CB’s for the WC.
Germany conceded 4 goals in 4 games (2 to Greece, 1 to Denmark, 1 to Netherlands). It is not a terrible record, but they looked complacent and distracted at times. They got away with that because of the goals at the other end. But against a top side like Italy, the problem becomes apparent when the attack cannot bail the defence out.
Hummels lead his team to two Bundesliga titles in the past two seasons. In a better team, he’s excellent.
In a better team. Yeah, we saw that in their magnificient CL run.
Ok, admittedly they outplayed Arsenal. But Arsenal tend to suck in some games, and…
..to get back on topic, he was our most solid player during the group stage, but what he did against Cassano was mindless to the power of infinity.
@Luckz
I thought Hummels was pretty good in this tournament and his only mistake was the play you mention. If he’d backed off a bit from Cassano he would’ve never been turned like that As it is, however, I see a very good player who at twenty four still has time to cut those types of mistakes out of his game.
I agree. Italy’s finishing was shameful in the second half.
Both the goals were well taken but the first in particular was the result of some very average defending.
Germany’s defense was uncertain throughout.
Di Natale if he had is old pace would have finished it off, I would strong consider Givinco in his place, especially if Italy get the lead as Givinco could offer more of a threat with pace.
Germany’s defense really was a mess, especially in the second half. Italy carved them open on counters entirely too easily, and Diamanti, Marchisio and Di Natale all had top quality chances. I was shocked that none of them buried a third goal
Yes the German defense was caught out, but I blame the lack of solidity in front of them. Schweinsteiger and Khedira often surge forward as they build attacks (clearly a strength of the German side), but 1) this allowed Montolivo the space to effectively link the Italy midfield and attack, as well as 2) opening passing lanes to the forwards. The verticality of the Italian passing saw the ball bypass the German midfield very quickly; but this may have been caused by the obsession with closing down Pirlo. Just as important was Balotelli staying very high, maximizing the space between the German midfield and defense which Cassano and Montolivo exploited intelligently. The counter-attacking Germany we saw in South Africa would not have conceded so much space in this area.
always those imaginery “should’ve been this or that” results. Yeah Italy had some decent chances and they wasted them poorly, but when you’re playing this game you have to play all the way and that means not 5-1 but something more like 5-3 or 5-4 because germany also had some more than decent chances at the beginning of both halfs.
and then you play on and imagine a result like 5-4 and everybody would be sitting here and laugh about both defensive lines and write about how lucky italy were in the end.
Agree. It’s strange when people say “well if he had made this pass, and shot better, and not wasted this chance”… every game would be 9-8. equally you could say “if he had not made this great shot, if he had wasted this chance” every game would be 0-0.
What a shock! Who’d have thought italy would have it so easy. Loew got it wrong, it has cost him the tournament,it should cost him his job. Why did he have to react to italy? Why change your formation? Why start kroos? Ofcourse if it had worked we’d be praising him but it didn’t and by the time he adjusted in the 2nd half it was too late. Germany lacked tempo, movement and bringing in kroos and podolski didn’t work and Gomez was static upfront. Putting kroos on pirlo didn’t work, he should have let ozil mark him and left the creativity to Muller or Reus. The defense was nothing to write home about. Shambolic defending and atrocious offside traps all undone by the clever movement and work of Mario Balotelli who was on fire tonight and should have had an hattrick. Lord pirlo once more pulling the strings and giving another outstanding performance. Italy should have really put this match to bed if not for some wastefulness by Dinatale. Italy were compact, kept their shape and held on for a famous win. Credit to them. I really didnot see them in the finals. So the much admired German football team fails to win anything again. Why do we admire them so much?
Ozil doesn’t have the engine to mark Pirlo.
Ozil isn’t exactly the energizer bunny…but you really think he couldn’t mark a 33 year old who’s been called ponderous on several occasions?
Ozil just doesn’t play defense. That’s what Kroos purpose was right?
Kroos also does not play defense. Kroos is a slow, static playmaker, while Özil is a mobile playmaker/inside forward/winger.
This.
I was very, very confused by Germany’s line up. Podolski doesn’t track back, Ozil doesn’t track back and Kroos doesn’t really track back. They should have had Muller or one of the DM’s stay on Pirlo.
^ Sadly Müller was in terrible form. Podolski sure tracked back enough in the group stage, but what does it help you if you still leave one flank completely free of players, besides the occasional Khedira in his “I score big game goals!!!” mode of operation getting lost there… and Özil sometimes having to drift there because lazy Kroos is using up all the space in midfield.
^ Yeah but I’m talking about marking Pirlo out of the game (which is what sides who have done well against Juve did). I mean, wasn’t this the obvious thing managers used to do?
That 33 year old guy has run 15 km in the match against England.
He got it wrong today, but he shouldn’t be sacked. He has created a good entertaining team, that has a lot of potential for the next World Cup. He failed to reach the final this tournament, which was surely the minimum target, but he deserves a chance to take on the World Cup.
He won’t be sacked. He could only resign.
“Why do we admire them so much?”
Because they are magnificent flat track bullies.
The right player to mark him should be Mueller. He should be capable of pressing him for 120 minutes.
Agree – I can’t believe Germany didn’t want to play straight up, and see if their most fluid line-up (with Ozil, Klose, Reus, and probably Podolski) could outscore Italy even if Pirlo had time. Kroos wasn’t bad, just wasn’t much pressure on Pirlo, but the choice of Podolski with Gomez left them un-dangerous, apparently to try to react defensively. With Lahm a bit off, Kroos playing pretty static/central, and Gomez also pretty static and not linking in Podolski, Germany looked unsure of their approach in the 1st half.
The ‘fluid’ lineup you described or one involving Gomez & crosses would have been options, yes. But both imply actually playing somebody on the otherwise abandoned flank.
Löw comes up short again. Some head scratching decisions about the line-up (even players didn’t know two hours before – whom did he surprised, his own players?), got completely wrong with Podolski and Gomez, for some reason went again with Schweinsteiger which meant they were playing a man down in the middle, as Schw. is not even a half a player this EC he used to be.
The they didn’t have a solution to Italian pressing. How man times Neuer had to kick the ball? How many times did they played out from the back? One wonders what he was thinking and how he wanted to face potential Spanish, much more serious pressing in the final?
Then you have incredible amount of set pieces with no idea, no rehearsed moves… German side is young, a bit inexperienced, and naive, and was momentarily unravelled after 0-1. But Löw’s decision were also appalling and I’m yet to see where he changes the course of a game with some tactical instructions.
What holds Germany back from winning a major trophy is that Jogi Löw (peace be upon him) adapts too much to the opposition. When the clock hits squeaky bottom time he is too determined to counter a perceived threat than to play to Germany’s strengths. He did it twice against Spain and he did it again against Italy. What signal do you send to your team before a match when you drastically change the formation and/or the tactics that led to a winning streak of 15 games? All it says is that “now we have a better opponent and we have to adapt”. It’s submission before the ball has been kicked.
Germany in its basic shape would’ve been a handful already – which showed early in the second half when he reverted to (more or less) the usual shape. That doesn’t mean you should ignore the other team (Pirlo could’ve been harassed by Özil or Klose dropping deeper – both players are used to more defensive work than Rooney, obviously) but keep you basic shape and play to your strengths. Maybe it’s too much preparation and too much “respect”.
Now we’re the Netherlands – admired by everybody but winning sweet FA.
I’ve just written independently the exactly same thing on a Guardian blog. Absolutely spot on. Löw adapts too much, and through this also sends the wrong messages. In 2014 he should definitely bite the bullet and push through with his default strategy.
I agree on the Schweinsteiger comment. I don’t think he’s been fully fit all tournament. Definitely looked leggy yesterday which is so unlike him. Top player when fit though.
Schweini should really have been rested vs Greece, where Kroos could have done the job too, as the Greek midfield was overrun.
He has looked tired from day 1 in this EURO, and playing every match definitely didn’t help.
You know for the 1st goal, there were more Germany players than Italians yet they allowed Cassano to make the cross. I can’t understand why Hummels moved to right to cover Cassano when Boateng and Khedira were there to defend.
The worst thing you could do vs Italy is to go a goal down within 30 mins. This will enable Italy to sit back and play on counter – the style that they are best at.
The Italian tactic is simple. Put a few players and stretch the play and use long balls to drag players out. This is not a difficult thing to counter if you are prepared.
I am appalled that Hummels and Badstuber unable to deal with Balotelli, not a great world class striker by any standards.
The 2nd goal was even worse. The captain and the most experienced player making the most school boyish error. If there was a quick counter, this can be excused. But the Italians were deliberate and everyone can see he had only one option.
I think Loew had to ditch Boateng & Poldi and bring on Rues into the team at the least.
I am in broad agreement with you ZM. It is more of a case where Loew outsmarting himself than Prandelli’s tactical masterstroke.
I can list several errors that Loew made in the game. After his fantastic tactics in earlier games, I was of the opinion that he’s the best tactician of the tournement. In light of his own high standards, his decisions for this game came as a big shock.
The decision to play Kroos to me is rather a very poor one, knowing Kroos’ lack of tactical discipline and defensive skills. To me there is no need for another central midfielder as Italy would not compete for a midfield mastery like they did against England, knowing Germany’s far stronger and technical players. Pirlo’s position is often just ahead of the defenders so there would exactly be a situation of 4 vs 2. Also Oezil can drop into central midfield along with Mueller if need to be.
Second error was in playing the wrong players. Schwen’s clearly not fully fit though he was able to last 90 mins. His passes were very poor and he did not impose himself at all. In fact this was his worst game of the Euro 2012. What also puzzled me was his positioning, which was very deep much deeper than usual. A better choice would have been Kroos to partner Khedira.
Loew ’s decision to continue with Boateng despite his poor previous games and an inability in contribute offensively. I am also puzzled by his persistence in sticking with Podolski despite not contributing much not just in Euro but most of last 2 years.
I don’t have the data, but I noticed that for this game, Germans played more longer passes than usual, their usual short passes were missing. With his tactical changes, I felt the team has no shape or fluency at all to their game.
I also felt other tactics like how to deal with Balotelli and Cassano was not well developed as such the defenders seemed lost. There’s no need to have 2 CBs to control Balotelli and Boateng allowed Cassano too much room. In my opinion,the key player for Italy was Cassano as the Germans never quite able to get a grip on him.
Hummel had an horrendous match, and the whole defence reminded me of the Swiss match. The lacked confidence and made numerous unforced errors. Only Neuer was at his usual self.
Loew’s decision to alternate between Klose and Gomez also affected the play.
Having said that, I also must say that Prandelli has done his homeowork and got his tactics right. He knew that Oezil need to be marked out and I noticed that he also instructed the Italian players to press the German defenders so they don’t have the time on the ball and play it out to the midfielders.
Yeah, I’d agree with that. It’s not that Italy’s style of play was unknown and they didn’t have time to prepare to cope with two strikers, diamond, and constant pressing. There must be some measures and drills, but only the attempt to compete in the middle was visible. The defenders had to give the ball back to the GK (25 times kicked, more than half of them lost) and there was no short passes and attacks starting at the back. To think they could take on Spain like that turns out to be the biggest illusion of this EC.
I think that, in general terms, one of the main problems of the 4-2-3-1 formation is that the “creators” of plays are too high up the pitch.
If you don’t have playmaking skills from one of your CBs or from one of your holding midfielders (which is a frequent case and also Germany’s case – Schweini is quite a complete midfielder and good passer, but doesn’t have the playmaking skills of say Xabi Alonso in Real Madrid), you get your playmaking only from your number 10 or your wingers.
This means that a simple pressing on the back lines by your opponents creates trouble.
Totally agreed on this.
I think this proves Germany are overrated. They are a very good team but not the all-conquering invincible team the media were saying. Germans questions may be asked but in the end they were beaten by a better side. Italy far more flair going foward also there general midifield passing and movement is much better than Germany. They have better more technical more intelligent players than Germany. With the Italians tonight there always seemed menacing purpose to there attacks, whereas Germany? i mean come on they created one good chance then just crossed the ball in. I didnt quite understand where all this nonense about germany being the best thing since slice bread came from. This was a classic case of Overrated vs Underrated.
I’v also been perplexed why they received so much hype. Is it because they topped the Group of Death with full points?
They were fortunate to beat Portugal and Denmark. And, well, everyone beat Holland…and they played a truly poor Greek side in the quarters.
Found out to be nowhere close to world beaters.
the itv analysis was a joke again tonight. They gave Italy practically no credit and said Germany couldnt handle the pressure of favourites. Utter rubbish. They had more time to prepare and they were clearly beaten by a better side. everyone points to the 10 wins in qualifying how is this a bearing on how your going to compete against a team with the quality of italy when the second best team in there qualifying group was belgium. I hope they now silence arrogant roberto martinez.
The fact that qualifying occurs over a 2 year period should be enough to question its value in predicting success in the Finals.
Actually Turkey, not Belgium, qualified second in Germany’s group. The remaining teams? Belgium, Austria, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan.
Holland AND Greece also topped their qualifying groups.
The English pundits know absolutely nothing about Italian football. It’s evident pretty much every tournament at all levels. I’m sure Andy Townsend is somewhere crying right now.
Yeah the English pundits not only know nothing about it but also seem pretty anti-Italian football. Been that way for years.
They still cling to tired cliches – as they tend to with most other nations – and you can sense their underlying contempt for anything Italy does.
This is the first time I’ve heard them give any praise for Pirlo. For years they never really understood what it is that he actually does.
Um, why?
What this shows is just something we’ve known for years. This current Germany side is prone to bouts of choking. If you compile Bayern and Germany together, you’d find the pair average one major international tournament botched in the dying stages per year for the last half dozen years (WC06, Euro08, CL10, WC10, CL12, Euro12).
And really, this was hardly the all-conquering Germany side people expected. Schweinsteiger is playing injured, Schmelzer blew up and ended up riding the pine after the Switzerland game prompting Lahm’s move to his weaker left and Boateng’s inclusion, and then Loew ruined the tactics used in earlier games. Loew ruined this match.
Schmelzer didn’t play a single legitly good game in the NT dress. He’s just a new Beck.
I always liked Beck, too hehe. With the dearth of good German fullbacks, there has to be an effort to integrate Schmelzer and get him on board.
Beck isn’t terrible, but he also is not *good*. Yes, he had his solid moments, but he even gave up his club captaincy.
Schmelzer is sitting firmly in the “idiots who attempt entirely random crosses that go absolutely nowhere” and “idiots who don’t play useful balls into the run of Podolski” categories for me. Maybe you have an uncanny preference for blond young males with East German/Eastern European backgrounds/faces?
In Dortmund, the right side is the more offensive one. Schmelzer isn’t as offensive as Piszczek. With the help of Großkreutz, he stopped the likes of Robben, Reus etc — but alone? Boateng more or less on his own nullified CR97.
i fully agree, the media generally dont know what words they are saying. Italy, to anyone with open eyes, have the most tactical fluidity, the strongest midfield (Yes, stronger than Spain’s, which is a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth, and also El Clasico partisanship can’t help.), the strongest defence (Conceded 2 in qualifying/Havent conceded from open play in knockout rounds of Euros and world cups since 2002 ) and, in my opinion, the strongest attack – Balotelli, Cassano, di Natale – ! And, let’s not forget Buffon, still one of the best, and the rest of the Juve players here, who’ve all had a great season.
This germany team is waay too arrogant and overrated and I’m glad their glorified counterattack has been found out. Hopefully they come up with a real football revolution this time, rather than doing what they did before but with younger players
Largely agree with the assessment of Italy’s strength. But common, not the “counterattack” myth again!
I said before the game that Boateng at right back was the weakest link of the German defense and offense. Watch how in the first half Ozil practically had to tell him to go on the overlap. Loew could have found a solid left back and shifted Lahm to right back with Boateng/Badstuber/Hummels/Mertesacker vying for spots at center back. Shocking stuff, the first time i’d seen a German team completely change formation in-game with the defense at sea.
There is no solid left-back.
Boateng is the best we have in terms of the extra fullback position, and well, on the defense end he was reasonably solid in keeping CR97 contained. He accidentally helped Khedira score a very nice goal, but that was meant to be a cross to somebody else.
Yes, he’s useless up front. But there also was nobody in right midfield to help him — because there was nobody in right midfield!
Aaaaand this is why Kroos shouldn’t play ever again, unless to stand in for Schweinsteiger, and then I’d still rather see some actually competent central/defensive midfielder instead.
There’s Contento though, too bad Bayern prefer Alaba to play as LB. If Contento get his playtime, he could be the answer to the LB problem
I actually thought that Boateng put in a few decent crosses. When considering how he was left alone on his side, you can’t blame him for the defeat.
Great to see Italy stick with their own way of playing, without really caring what the rest of the world does. Both the 3-5-2 and the Diamond are almost exclusively Italian in Europe, and they work very well for them.
The 3-5-2 is very similar to what Juve did this season, while the Diamond with a more natural CM playing as the 3/4ista is very similar to what Milan did.
Embracing the gifts of their players, making sure Pirlo, Cassano, Marchisio, and De Rossi are at their most comfortable (De Rossi often dropped between Roma CBs this year, more or less the same position he plays in the back 3), and picking specific wingbacks or fullbacks depending on formation; it’s been a brilliant move by Prandelli.
Indeed, Prandelli is easily the coach of the tournament. His tactical insight and decision making can’t be faulted.
Prandelli surely can’t not win manager of the tournament.
Why do I have the feeling that this was more decided by performance errors instead of tactical ones. Podolski, Gomez, Kroos, Badstuber and especially Hummels were simply not good tonight. Low realised this but he could only make three subs. What can a coach do when more than half of his team is not performing?
P.S. In press conference he said that that they were doing great in training
Podolski and maybe Gomez might have done more with better supporting play.
The centrebacks … well, Höwedes and Mertesacker probably aren’t any better. Hummels was our most consistent field player before that match, no idea why he thought that blunder vs Cassano was a good idea.
“Hummels was our most consistent field player before that match”
Actually, while he might have huge potential, he was shaky more than once in this tournament. In the Netherlands game, his positioning was bad at least three or four times, most notably before van Persie’s goal.
I thought Schweinsteiger and Khedira underperformed too. The double pivot, usually a huge German strength, didn’t circulate the ball well enough early in the match, and didn’t protect the defense at all in the second half. Schweinsteiger was clearly hurt, but Khedira had been a star for the first four games, and his poor match was shocking.
Think was mainly because of the numerical advantages that ZM had flagged in the match preview.
But I was also surprised with the speed and intensity of the Italian pressing in the first half. They really got into the German’s before they could settle on the ball and stopped them circulating the ball.
It’d be interested to see the pass completion stats for German midfield as they seemed to lose possession a lot more than in previous games.
Yes, the Italian pressing was immense. Let’s not forget that, after having had to go into extra-time in the QF, they also had two days less to recover. I was expecting this to be a huge advantage for the Germans, but it didn’t seem to have any impact at all. Maybe it’s even the other way around: six days of waiting for the semi-final (lots of time for building up nervous anticipation of the bogey-team) might just have been too long.
It was a tactical desaster by Löw.
Against an Italian defense you cannot put Mario Gomez in attack position. Italians are too strong in the air and very compact on the ground.
You need quick attackers who can hold the ball for some meters. So, Löw corrected himself by bringing Klose.
It is sad, that Germany seems to have a lack in attackers in 2012. Maybe Cacau would have done better
But the main reason for the loss was the low performance of the Central defenders – very obvious in both Balotelli goals. He had no opponnent in both situations.
And when Neuer lost the ball in second half on the basic line nobody came to help him out.
Germany’s performance has to be analyzed immediately.
The whole tournament reminded me to 2006.
Cacau sure won’t get tired of moaning how he would have single-handedly decided the tournament. That’s what he does these days, as a ‘media personality’ in faroffistan.
Where was Lars Bender? Boating wasn’t bad…and he had some nice crosses but they needed more of an attacking thrust in on the right…there was the most space on the whole field on that side… (even with cassano’s runs) they were outplayed centrally and maybe with his attacking play Bender could have forced Chellini back or forced De Rossi to come out wide and support Chellini
Could have played Lahm on the right as well,Schmelzer had 1 bad game, but is still a good left back.
It wasn’t as much brilliance/overpowering by Cassano/Balotelli as just terrible defending by Hummels, followed by Badstuber not even going for a challenge (header attempt).
Kroos is what (or rather who) destroyed this match. Only actually having one flank occupied each half is a terrible idea. Reus (or Götze!) coming on for Kroos could have salvaged some of it, but for Podolski? Giving up the left wing to man the right one? Seriously.
Using Podolski/Götze, Özil, Reus/Götze, Gomez/Klose could have led somewhere. But this whole Kroos deal, uarrrgh.
P.S. Kroos was also subbed in during the loss to Spain in the 2010 WC. Can’t win with him on the pitch.
P.P.S.: I would say Italy were at their best in the magnificent 3-5-2 game against Spain. Don’t know why they didn’t use that against Germany, with Chiellini fit to play again. Italy were pretty decent, but mostly Germany were super-awful thanks to Löw’s complete blackout. Surprisingly he had the balls to make some subs at HT, but they weren’t the right ones.
Kroos was not subbed in 2010, he was the sub for Trochowski. Kroos is great and would be the perfect candidate for Schw. position. But, Schw. has to play, just like Podolski. Mind boggling!
I said he was “subbed in”, i.e. “brought on”.
He’s not great, he’s slow and full of himself. He shoots at goal to prevent the team from doing something useful with the ball. He thinks he’s the bestestest set pieces taker of all time, yet most of his set pieces fail to go anywhere useful.
Schweinsteiger has to play because he’s our most important player, and he wasn’t that bad this match. His passes went absolutely nowhere vs Greece, but today he didn’t have any shocking blunders. The only issue with him is that he’s reasonably injured. If anything, Bender could have replaced him as a defensive solution, or maybe Gündogan to replicate his role, but neither are an ideal starting choice.
“Traitordolski” didn’t get fed useful balls by Lahm etc, but that’s not his fault.
Haven’t you seen Schw. no look back pass to Italian forwards in the second half? He was non existent for all of the game, the game went by him, he couldn’t do anything to make his presence felt. Definitely a complete waste of space.
While I agree with Kroos being slow, he could at least start something with the ball at SChw. place. Could have, should have… it’s history now.
They didn’t play 3-5-2 against Germany because Maggio was suspended. It will be interesting to see what they do now that he is back
I thought. Everyone had a clean slate for the semis, which means Prandelli wasn’t forced to use the diamond.
you could be suspended for the semi-final, but starting with that game, the cards wiped clean
Disagree concerning Kroos. He is (was?) a very good central midfielder with a quite high goal rate (see the Leverkusen season under Heynckes). But he did not develop during the past Bayern season (again Heynckes), probably because Heynckes is a tactical moron.
Yesterday he was doing alright, imo, having a few good shot on goal and winning the freekick that led to Reus hitting the bar. Kroos was needed in CM because Schweinsteiger was so bad (injured…). But it would have been better to leave out Schweini right from the beginning and let Kroos do the double-pivot with Kedhira, and play the standard 4-2-3-1.
Even considering yesterday’s position of Kroos (deep, defensive no. 10, obstructing Pirlo), with Ozil coming central from the right wing (as he is doing that sometimes at RMadrid, when Kaka is no. 10), could have worked. But then a decent right full-back would have been needed. Boateng simply never knew what to do, no idea what to do when being a lone fullback on his right flank. Bender probably would have been much better, better timing of his runs etc. (But of course, there were just 2 weeks to prepare this tournament, not much time for tactical preparations).
A final point about yesterday’s starting lineup: I think the gameplan was incongruent with the personnel that Loew chose. When he obviously plans to play and combine through the middle (Kroos, Ozil drifting in), why then play Gomez and Podolski, who have proven they are not capable of providing the necessary technical, tactical, and link-up qualities you need for that. If you want to play Gomez and Podolski, fine, they are naturally very good counter-attacking players. So then put the defensively solid Mueller on the right, Kroos for Schweinsteiger, Ozil central, and just sit deep and defend. Ugly football. Until the 70th minute. Play long balls to Gomez and/or the wingers and let them run (finally). If Italy was pushing up there would be gaps behind their (necessarily advancing) fullbacks. Keep the clean sheet, and make offensive substitutions later.
But of course, based on the inclusion of Kroos yesterday, the best would have been to have Bender play the right FB, and have Klose and Reus instead of Gomez and Poldi. Reus and Oezil even could have chosen which wing they would play on.
On Goetze: It was logical not to play him. He was out injured for roughly half a year. Similar to Mertesacker.
On the WC2010 semi. Trochowski was even worse then Podolski yesterday. Kroos improved the German game a lot, just too late. He had that one great chance…
A final comment on Mueller. Poor guy, his season also has been ruined by Heynckes, who was more keen to keep his ’superstars’ Ribery and in particular Robben happy and playing.
In his case (and the ones of Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Kroos), I’d heavily consider a move away from Bayern. First of all because Heynckes is going to have (waste) another season, and second because the management (Hoennes, Nerlinger) have proven in the recent years that they also able to ruin whole season due to arrogance/stupidity/stubbornness on the transfer market. The Robben-Gomez-Ribery plane is never going to fly (high enough for CL), and team players like Mueller, Kroos, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Neuer, … are paying the price.
Very good analysis and I am in agreement mostly. Kroos is not a bad player at all but he is no Schweni and lacks the defensive skills and tactical disciple to be a more complete midfielder. Kroos is best when he’s given the free role as the central playmaker with others doing the spade work as it was with Bayern when Scheweni was injured. And I would say he did well enough to be considered as one of the best in Europe. If I am not mistaken he was one of the players of the Champions League and almost made into ZM’s team of the season.
One would have expected Loew to know all these. As such his positioning of Kroos on the right makes no sense. With Boateng as the RM, we have disaster waiting to happen. Boateng is a fine CB but he’s no RB. His positioning is suspect and he’s often caught napping even as a CB.
Kroos actually played well offensively much better than Schweni and others but the blame is on Loew for making the team unbalanced with his strange and untested system.
I also cannot understand why even Poldi is in the team, much less in the first 11. I would rather play Mueller, who even when not playing well does a lot of legwork to cover for the team. He has tons of tactical awareness and runs non stop for the team.
As for Bayern, as long as Robben is there and being used as the pivot of the attack, they will not get anywhere. He’s selfish and wasteful and unbalances the team. Ribery’s a bit better and works harder.
I don’t think Oezil played badly just that the Italians knew he’s the key playmaker and marked him out by crowding him. In the Greece game, he had players running into space and creating openings so he was effective. But vs Italy, there was no movement at all upfront (Gomez, Poldi, Kroos) so he was cut out. Oezil played better when Reus and Mueller came in.
I also can’t understand Loew didn’t drop Scheweni as he’s obviously unfit physically or/and mentally.
On the overall, there is a lack of leadership. Except Kherida, Oezil and Klose, the rest have given up after 60 mins.
For Loew, the sooner he realises his mistake better it is. There is no point blaming carelessness or individual mistakes for the failure. Germany should have killed the game by 30 mins.
The last thing I want to do is to go a goal behind to Italy by 30 mins. That means Italy can sit back and play the way they knew and play best.
Tottaly agree with your review, ZM!
It’s spot on!
And there’s a lot to talk about!
From Loew’s squad rotation, passing through the loopsided formation they employed today, and the problems it created.
Starting with the end, it was somewhat of an headscratcher to see Ozil on the righ (at least on paper). He was performing as the Euro’s top player and fielding him there was awkward to begin with.
Khedira was the one that actually spent more time on the flank, and in general, the whole german midfield’s movement was rather caothic (the overflow of fluidity reminded me of France’s midfield vs Spain).
As I stated in the comments from that game, there’s something called excessive fluidity, and this was clearly a case in point:
- Schweinsteiger was probably the deepest midfielder and kept his position.
- Khedira was most of the times the most advanced midfielder, appearing both in the center as in the right.
- Kroos wandered around and his job was pretty much unclear… the only thing I can imagine Lowe’s intent was, was to partner up Ozil and Kroos in the center and form a double forcing Italy back.
- Ozil started on the right, but it was clear he was due to move diagonaly and pick up the ball in the center.
This all meant Germany had no structure going forward, and with all this reshufling for different positions, were slow in transition.
Even worse, they had no one covering their right flank… and Italy were happy with that, as Cassano dragged Hummels around into the space Boateng left (after he had to move out of defense).
The other focal point that ZM so rightfuly states is that Pirlo wasn’t nulified.
No one actually closed him down and forced him to play sideways… but the “loopsided” formation was also guilty because Pirlo always had an out ball on the right flank… and the “loopsided” also meant Germany weren’t cohesive with their pressing.
Pirlo enjoyed another key role game, and Cassano was superb vs Hummels…
But in all honesty, this was a game lost by Germany.
As you said yourself, ’spot on’
This was more Germany’s fault that they lost this game. They changed their side to try and stop Pirlo and lost control of the game. This was a mistake, Germany in their natural shape would have exposed Italy’s weaknesses and over whelmed the rest of the Italian team, leaving Pirlo no-one to pass to. Germany needed to attack down their wings with both wingers and fullbacks to overload the Italian fullbacks, which their natural shape would have allowed. But this shape meant they lost Ozil in the middle (who naturally moves out the wings too) and instead had Ozil drifting centrally from outwide into crowded zones, where he had no impact. The other problem Germany made was to choose Gomez up front, this would only have worked if Germany were dominating and needed a finisher, but Italy were more than holding their own in midfield and not letting Germany box them in. Klose should have been a sure starter, his movement would have created space for the likes of Ozil, and created more opportunities.
Loew has generally got decisions right in this tournament, but first big mistakes came at entirely the wrong time. Perhaps not having a settled team lead to this problem, but then his teams biggest strength was the quality of their squad.
Italy kept their shape and ruthlessly exposed Germany’s weaknesses. Balotelli and Cassano’s movement was excellent and really exposed the two German CB’s who were dragged around the pitch. Coupled with this was Pirlo’s continued excellence in deep midfield and without him Italy would never have reached this stage. He created moves, but more importantly he gave the team an outball in defence when they were in trouble. When Italy were panicking, he was always available to accept the ball and get it forward, a crucial quality needed in this team. Prandeli was also smart in how he kept Pirlo free, as whenever Pirlo was being picked up he could move higher up the pitch and De Rossi could drop into the holding position (being a great passer himself). The first goal was crucial and allowed Italy to play a counter attacking plan which should have got them more goals, with Italy more dnagerous than Germany in the second half.
Italy have done brilliantly to reach the final, with Pirlo doing his best impression of Zidane 2006 when he lead France to the WC final. The rest of the players deserves recognition, but this is a team built around Pirlo’s brilliance and it is him that has allowed Italy to reach such a high level.
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“They changed their side to try and stop Pirlo and lost control of the game”
I highly doubt this as none of their selected front 4 were the type to track-back/man-mark consistently.I wonder if maybe Loew predicted Italy would use their 3-5-2? He’s normally spot on with his tactics so this is a rather odd mistake… Maybe just the Italian hoodoo acting up.
Kroos was obviously in the side to occupy Pirlo, otherwise Ozil would definitely have started in the centre. The problem was that Italy just rotated their midfield to create space for Pirlo whenever he being pressured.
I do believe Loew thought Abate would start, which was why he played Podolski on that side to stop him getting forward and play Ozil on the right against the more conservative Chiellini. The problem was Balzeretti played at RB, and he was happy to stay deep against Podolski and this meant it was Chiellini that got forward with no-one tracking him.
The main adaption any smart manager would make is to mark Pirlo out of the game as thats worked in the past (http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/02/26/milan-1-1-juventus-tactics/, etc…). But Kroos never really occupied Pirlo.
I feel like Mueller would have been perfect to mark Pirlo out of the game. Does Spain have any players who could do this? Pedro?
Considering Lowe’s squad rotation, I think it deserves another post, as it’s an abbragent and interesting issue on it’s own.
If we look at Germany’s first games, there was one player that really stood out: Mario Gomez.
3 goals in 2 games and was combining beautifuly with Ozil.
Muller was also in good shape despite is somewhat “poor” season with Bayern.
Podolski was a constant threat.
Now the point is, look at those 3, and consider they all have seen limited time since.
Lowe alwyas intended to bring Klose in, and that was really forced upon, rather than letting the battle between the 2 set the result (and Gomez was breasing).
Muller and Podolski seem the most affected though, has neither played with the confidence they had at the start of the competition.
There’s a lot to be said about having a quality bench, but rotating the squad for the sake of rotating is never a good thing.
And I think this really had an impact in Germany’s performance today (upfront).
This battle was lost by bringing kroos on, not because muller nd podolski have dropped confidnce. Podolski had been having a poor tournament already, and muller never really looked that impressive. Klose was the better option here anyway.
See my previous post.
I didn’t say this was a reason Germany lost the game.
But it’s really somthing to dwell on… as both got suddenly out of form.
And both had good games in the first games, in contrary to your comment.
I found Müller weak in all games, just like I found him weak in the Champions League, etc. Just not in form.
Klose is more useful if you want to *play football*, Gomez is more useful if you need a finisher up front. I’d say either is a legitimate option vs Italy, but you definitely *need* support play on the wings to drag out the defense enough to actually give him some useful balls. He fumbled a few balls by himself, while others he had no chance of controlling, like a ridiculous pass by Kroos into the back of his feet, who himself got the ball because Özil (running inside) did not play to the free man on the left side and chose the shorter option.
I would disagree that Podolski was a constant threat, he has had a poor tournament and has surprisingly started all but one of the games.
But I kind of see why Loew made changes, Germany’s strength was the quality of their squad, not their starting eleven. Loew had been using his squad well before this match, he just made the wrong choices in this game.
This game broadly reminded me of the Milan v Arsenal game in February of this year where Wenger adjusted his team to compete in central midfield and got it totally wrong. Afterwards Low did a better job adjusting but by then the damage was done, I believe.
Just that Milan winning brought me tremendous joy, while this match did everything but
Rejoice now everyone can stop eulogising over Germany. Always said they were ridiculously overrated. Outplayed technically and tactically full stop. Italy should of made it 3-0 numerous times.
remember, it was a tactical desaster by the coach Löw.
Like in 2006, when Pekermann took Riquelme out in the quarter final against Germany.
If Löw would have played Germany’s usual quick offensive game – like in the first 15 minutes against Italy, yesterday – Italy would have lost and even Spain would not have won in 90 minutes.
It was Löw’s fault.
I don’t like the fact Neuer stood still on Balotelli’s second goal. Sure…he was never going to stop it but at least make the effort. The entire team should’ve played with more effort instead of thinking they could just coast by Italy.
Really? Join the ranks of theatrical keepers who dive a meter to make a save when simply catching the ball would suffice?
Ballotelli’s shirt was off before Neuer could even react, so pretty sure a delayed display of ‘fake’ effort would have looked silly and transparent.
Once Balotelli decided to shoot early Neuer had no chance. All you can do in that situation is hope the guy doesn’t hit it as sweetly as he did and give you a chance, unfortunately Balotelli nailed it.
I do have a question about Neuer regarding the first goal. I’ve not seen any comments on it but at the time it looked like he was drifting across his goal, exposing his near post and covering the line the ball was taking, but the only Italian in the box was Balotelli and his movement just exposed the only area Balotelli could have put the ball.
I could understand if Italy had someone else behind waiting to meet the cross but they didn’t. The only danger seemed to be Balotelli and Neuer shouldn’t have moved across his line.
I think he just didn’t notice Balo was an actual threat there.
Again, poor goalkeeping.
I like Neuer but some little details divide all-time great GKs from the rest of the crowd.
It’s not a matter of faking the effort.
You either have an instinctive reaction to dive, or you don’t.
If you do – you still cannot save that tremendous ball, but it goes to show your mind and body is reactive.
If you don’t, you’re not doing great goalkeeping there.
Same with Balo’s header for the first goal. Neuer actually had the same stance in both occasions. Not very explosive.
This was a very interesting game and I think it all boils down to execution. The Italians executed their plan and the Germans did not. You can set up the perfect plan against a team that if you do not execute it does not matter. Everyone knew that Germany’s weak spot lies in the back four and the italians intended to explode that. Balotelli and Cassano in the channels has been a constant tactic. You needed to avoid that last reception. Was Loew’s original idea all that bad? Perhaps not but the execution was poor, even more so defensively speaking. Extra credit goes to the italians for superb defending throughout the game as they were solid at the back and were able to keep posession when it mattered and mount dangerous counter attacks on a desperate german side.
The score also plays an important role as the shift in the defensive lines is a direct result of it. Down 2-0 it was clear that ITA would get their chances to seal the game off but the finishing was poor. I do not feel that this German side is overrated. This is a side that had won 15 straight official matches. That is not luck. Yet, the beauty of football lies in the fact that no side it’s invincible and with good tactics and execution a side can pull off a victory against anyone. Again, congrats to Italy for their win and let’s hope we get a good final.
P.D: Great game from Montolivo. I feel that he was more relevant than Pirlo this time around.
Look at the opponents for Germany’s 15 match win streak and decide again if they are not overrated.
Semi-finalists defeated by a bounce off the post Portugal?
You could do the same for anyone. I mean, Spain hardly beat China or something recently, and France needed a comeback against Iceland. Cherry-picking …
Besides, before he loss to Spain in 2010 we also had the thrashings of Argentina and England. I mean, to be fair, England are awful and don’t really count, but Argentina at least have Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Higuain, Milito, Mascherando, etc
I would accuse you of being a “sore winner,” but I doubt it. I suspect it has more to do with resentment of Germany than anything else (the only Italy fan I know rates Germany very highly).
Germany are clearly overrated dont know if you just seen they got outplayed technically and tactically by Italy. Everyone said how Germany would have to much for Italy Germany this Germany that. This game clearly shows they are nowhere near the worldbeater pedigree everyone was making out. They won 15 matches they also won no trophies. to justify the sort of hype thats been going on only winning the tournament would suffice.
Exactly.
Ever since the start of the tournament, everyone was saying how good/amazing/incredible/invincible this Germany team is.
To be honest, looking at the results they had against those teams they won, even an average football fan like me knows they
are overrated.
Their defense is weak,
midfield is creative but lack discipline and organisation,
forward is good.
Overall, lack experience.
People say the same things about Spain (and I anyways have said the same things about Italy this tournament), and it would still be nonsensical to say the same things about say either were they to lose on Sunday.
The point you may be missing is that when a side is well-rated it doesn’t mean they’ll actually beat everyone. Or play well everytime (did Barca’s loss to Hercules show they were not worldbeaters? Or Madrid’s to Alcocorn?). Nor should they be expected to be.
This, like so many other events merely shows the obvious defects in attempting to make temporally transcendental statements about a thing as fickle as a sports team
When you say Germany, which Germany do you mean? The country? The swimmers? The football team’s entire history? Just the team at the Euros? The team against Greece? Or Italy? Some combination of those? And how do we evaluate tactics and technique in disparate events?
Germany was tactically superior to Greece, but not Italy. Does that mean, in general, Germany are tactically inferior? From those premises, no. If Spain lose on Sunday and play much like they did in recent matches only with a loss, are Spain overhyped and obviously tactically inferior?
The point being that bravado and grand narratives about this sport are unlikely to have much tangible sporting value (even if their emotional value is somewhat more substantial). This site, thankfully restricts its domain to tactics. And if you’re going to be adamant about something, please, at the very least attempt a cogent argument.
Well said. Overrated, Underrated, who knows? What I do know is that Germany has been incredibly fun to watch over the past few years, and this, more than anything has contributed to the “media-hype” that has apparently caused so many on this message board such distress.
Nice reply
Well Italy hasn’t won anything yet.
But nobody was saying that Italy is biggest favorite to win it. I think Germany is both great AND overrated. People seem to be that bored with Spain always winning that they were saying Germany is 1st favorite for winning this tournament just because. Player by player, Germany is great, still better than Italy they do usually play great football, but they are still behind Spain in every aspect. And obviously, not that much better than Italy.
ermm think your talking utter rubbish mate. Spain overhyped if they dont win the final? From where im sitting they must be quite a decent outfit. world and european champions and a 3rd straight final ermm they clearly justify anything good thats said of them. Germany on the other hand had more hype than Spain so what your saying is stupid. You must watch a different game to me. what i seen is them get horrendously exposed by the first team in the tournament to attack them. Most overrated football team in my lifetime period. you bring up Barcelona aswell not winning every game and fair enough they dont. But they won the top european competition twice in four years and in the 2 years the didnt they were knocked out by the eventual champions.
I don’t want to offended anybody and get out of this magnificent tactical discussion,but you could really see that the Bayern Munich players have become big-game chockers. After the first goal the Germans just lost the mental battle.
Kroos and Müller maybe should not even have been brought to the tournament in that light, yes. They did not contribute anything, and it was clear from the onset.
But it wasn’t the mental battle as much as the sheerly idiotic tactics.
Pirlo has been the player of the tournament by a stretch. To make Loew so worried that he changes a dominant system is testament to that. You’d think that if Ozil was going to cut in you’d play Lahm on the right as he is much better going forward than Boateng.
Das Germans should have played Reus or Muller on the right and double teamed on the fullbacks and taken the game away from the Italians.
Doesn’t this just put those English pundits who constantly harp on about how slow and poor the Italian game is well and truly to shame. They are tactically flexible, technically brilliant and play for their country not for themselves.
Germany are brilliant on their day but as soon as they switch their system they are not as effective. I believe this is because their philosophy is based around engineered runs. They know where they are going to run and it works when the system is the one that they are familiar with, but as soon as it changes they are forced to think on their feet and the fluidity is gone. Spain and Italy however seem to play with the space and feel the game and that’s why they are so dangerous.
The hilarious thing is how Löw has been trying to act as the favourite lately by being intentionally more arrogant in press conferences, saying “we won’t change our game for anyone, they will have to adapt to us” — and then doing just that.
Switching the system is okay if the system you switch to works. Personally I still prefer our old two striker lineup (as Podolski got a ton of goals as second striker while he’s always a bit more useless on the left flank, especially with Lahm/Schmelzer/other sillyfaces not giving him the ball in the right moments), which was changed to 4-5-1 to accommodate for Özil, but any system can lead to success. Italy don’t effortlessly switch between 5-3-2 and 4-diamond-2 because they “feel the game” but because both are ingrained in Italian football and thus known to the players — and proven to work.
I’m sure the German team could play whatever christmas tree formation is asked of them, but it’d need to be tactically sound to lead to success.
Seems like you’re creating a narrative about tactics on a national stereotype there.
One could just as easily say that the Spanish players have no intuition at all for space but need to be carefully coached to use their brilliant technical skills tactically. This is evidenced by the fact that their players look brilliant for Barcelona and Real Madrid but for Spain they grope around in the dark aimlessly and are relatively incapable of scoring goals. I’m not sure which particular stereotype I would use to back that up (I really don’t know many about Spaniards), but if you’d be so kind as to find me one, I’d be greatly appreciative.
Big choice for italy in final 3-5-2 or diamond?
Think the way to combat Italy is a Christmas tree, or 3-4-2-1 or at a push a very narrow 4-2-3-1
At least 2 players in the space around Pirlo and go 5/4 v 4 in midfield
Fascinating final
Spain will not go into the Final looking to ‘combat’ Italy.
That being said, Spain have ALREADY played a very narrow 4-2-3-1 and it fails against tight, narrow defenses like Italy’s.
Spain is the only team which doesn’t need to stop/mark Pirlo in a strictly defense sense – they only need to play their possession game such that he is rendered ineffective by not having the ball.
Spain is the only team which doesn’t need to stop/mark Pirlo in a strictly defense sense – they only need to play their possession game such that he is rendered ineffective by not having the ball.
That didn’t work quite well against Italy when they played the 1st group match.
If Spain play their strikerless formation (as I expect, as Negredo’s non-performance in the semi) Pirlo will have Silva, Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas (or perhaps Pedro) for company, constantly pressing and circling him. Pirlo can still dictate play even with more bodies in and about his area of the field, but as well as the relative lack of space and time, he will also have a lot more to do defensively than he did in the past two matches if Spain find their rhythm.
It is difficult not to be agitated by English pundits…but these are the same idiotic commentators who rarely watch Italian football (besides the odd Arsenal v Milan CL game), think all Italians act like crazy Mario, and have collectively decided that some old geezer named Pirlo has made a magical resurgence to become pretty amazing in his later career (he’s been the Italian Xavi for over 10 years).
Well, Pirlo had essentially been kicked out by Milan, who thought they’d be better off without him, and suddenly he plays, as he says himself, the season of his lifetime. Pirlo is definitely the main man in this Italy side.
You mean Xavi has been the Spanish Pirlo for the past 5 years :p
Agreed, I am totally turned off of everybody speaking like that. No one actually knew that Juve had an amazing season, and that usually brings a very strong Italian side. Pirlo has been always a stunning player, and the way he plays is no surprise to anyone following the Seria A. What should be a surprise for the media should be only the mobile and very technically gifted Italian mid and their forwards’ movement. But seeing how the media reacts to Pirlo and the Juve’s strong defense is just ridiculous.
Well guess what, there is another strong league beside Premiership and La Liga, and there are other top players beside Messi, Ronadlo, Xavi, Iniesta and etc. Marchisio, Zlatan, Pirlo, De Rossi, Buffon, Barzagli, Bonucci – all of them are great players.
Don’t forget the greats in the Bundesliga
That being said, I will confess I find Serie A the most entertaining league to watch.
I would hardly be surprised that Italy have technically gifted players with intelligence. Italy has a long history of producing absolutely brilliant players on the ball with tremendous intelligence. Totti can lay greater claim than anyone else to inventing the modern false 9, for example. And the fact that the Italian game has long stressed the trequartista and regista only encourages this thinking. Even the way they think about the counterattack is different. Playing the 4-3-1-2 means you rarely have width (especially in the initial stages) of a counterattack, and instead you rely on a clever run for a through ball or sneaky flick passes; completely opposed to the industrious method ingrained elsewhere of getting the ball wide, sprinting to the byline, and firing a cross into a relatively unguarded penalty area.
They have Balotelli, Cassano, and Di Natale at this tournament, but in 06 they had Del Piero and Totti (playing with a broken leg, nonetheless). Further back you could find players like Baggio.
You are touching my soft spot. Totti is one of the most under-rated players out there, just because he kept beeing loyal to his club team and Seria A entering the dark ages of its history.
Its serie a, not seria a. A minor nitpick, but it is a pet peeve of mine. Otherwise, well said.
In their defense, consider Italy at the World Cup and the performance against New Zealand.
Roy Hodgson > Jogi Löw
A mate told me Alan Shearer said this…
“Italy, of course, can surprise you. For instance Pirlo emerged from nowhere and was man of the match against England despite nobody knowing anything about him.”
This is why I prefer listening to games in Spainish, despite not understanding the language well :/
Haha! Nice one!
Priceless, that just makes me want to listen to English commentary instead of the normal objective stuff I usually get haha
Well know UK commentator: (paraphrased, and I am not kidding):
“If this Pirlo is so good, why hasn’t he ever played in the Premier League? Why hasn’t he left Italy? Is he homophobic or something?”
That sounds unusually articulate for the lamentable Mr Shearer – but typically lazy and ignorant, admittedly.
It was Phil Brown, the perma-tanned former Hull manager.
I’m fairly certain this isn’t true…
Unfortunately it is…
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/massive-fail-phil-brown-wonders-andrea-pirlo-homophobic-playing-england/
I am not sure if he is reaching for the word ‘xenophobic’ in a characteristic demonstration of a complete lack of self awareness or if he knows something about the premier league that we don’t…
I was wondering who was gonna pick Pirlo up, because obviously Ozil wasn’t going to. Picking Kroos made sense in that regard but most of the time it looked like no one was doing it at all. It’ll be interesting to see how Italy and Spain’s formations vary from the ones they used againt each other in the groups.
I was already expecting Low to play Kroos to add numbers in midfield, but it just didnt work out, Germany did not fulfill the gameplan. You have to give credit to Italy, it was their day, they played one hell of a match, not that it was unexpected. I think they have been quite under-rated in this tournament, to many people it was a surprise which is a reaction I just dont understand, Italy are a great side with great players and a great coach.
This game proves how systems are only defined by the players you have. Not only this, but it seems Germany were a stubborn team, trying to play reverse balls (through balls). The second runner, usually that of Khedira, although threatening once or twice (from memory), seemed too slow and not a natural mobile technical player. To me, like Barca in the latter part of last season, stretching the play was only as semblance, i.e. they had players in wide areas but any attack only came from the central areas. If Germany were prepared to ‘lower’ their aesthetic values and played early crosses from wide areas, ala croatia against italia, the tactical onus, presumably would have been on italia, as germany would be exploiting the weakness of the diamond: the lack of width and possible 2v1 in wide areas.
Of course this would cause italia to either sacrifice their out ball (cassano) or play a flat 4 midfied (more presumably as this what they did against the terrible england), where the numerical advantage in the central areas would be nullified, leaving Pirlo exposed and having to answer the question, does he have defensive tact?
And, probably the mindset or the ideology of low can be seen in playing Kroos; a free flowing, between the lines type football. Yet, this was only possible in the past when Germany paints in the dimensions of a landscape and not a portrait painting.
If Germany really wanted to shake things up then should have played Schmelzer and Lahm as the FBs to really attack and give width to their play. Also don’t understand not starting Klose, before Italy made their defensive subs there was space for Klose to move and receive the ball. Afterwards it got very congested and space was in wider areas, however it was hard for Germany to work the ball into the box and in the last 10-20 they were crossing, poorly, into a packed Italian box – now is the time to bring in Gomez who offers more of an aerial threat.
Also, the whole tournament Germany’s set pieces have generally been poor – especially corners, how many didn’t get past the first defender?
Well, didn’t even try to use free kicks for set pieces (at least) in (the first half of) that match. The midfielders just resumed play amongst themselves instead of sending the CBs forwards with Gomez for some heading action.
Schmelzer can’t cope with world class opposition all too well, and it’s not like his crosses were that great.
I’ll quote myself from another site:
“Today, it was also a tactical failure. The wrong players were selected. If given the choice of Goetze, Reus, Mueller, Schuerle, and Podolski for wing, and you pick Podolski (who should never play for Germany again, there’s no sense in wasting valuable playing time on a mediocre player who hit his peak six years ago) and Kroos (not even a winger, or even really an attacking midfielder), you’ve picked wrong, plain and simple.
If Germany win every game playing an aggressive, dynamic, 4-2-3-1 which attacks through an offensive double pivot, free-floating number ten, two wingers, and a striker, and then play a semifinal with what was effectively three central midfielders, a number ten constrained to a flank, and Lukas Podolski, you’re doing it wrong. It didn’t make sense to even play Oezil the way we set out today. Oezil is good at drifting to the flanks and creating numerical superiority with dynamic, fast players (Ronaldo, Di Maria, and Benzema at club level, or equivalents for Germany). He isn’t fast, strong, or direct enough himself to actually play that wing role. Playing him with Kroos and Podolski makes him relatively irrelevant because he’s simply not scary when playing with Kroos (who is more Pirlo than Ronaldo) or Podolski (not really that fast or intelligent on good days, and he hasn’t been having any good days in Ukraine and Poland).
I get that the logic was to constrain Pirlo by playing keep-ball and choking his space with the addition of Kroos for a proper wing. I get that. Hell, I predicted it to my brother. But then why play Podolski (who isn’t an intelligent defender or a good possession player)? Or even Oezil, really? Could’ve saved his energy and left him on the bench for say Mueller (who is better defensively and more used to playing in a possession team) and introduce him after Italy’s game had broken down. But nope. Play both.”
To add to this, the defending wasn’t just shambolic amongst any particular individuals, but rather as a team. The wingers (although no one is even sure who they were even now) didn’t defend and exposed the fullbacks, who then exposed the central defence, and then …
Also, Balotelli is a beast.
Great point ZM about the first goal starting with Pirlo facing no pressure. Ozil and Gomez just stood there…unbelievable.
Don’t wanna go disagree with everything here on a line by line basis, so I’ll just add that in Germany, everybody seemed rather convinced last season (and never got tired of repeating) that L.P. was in the “form of his life”, which also earned him that Arsenal move.
Podolski played in Cologne who were relegated. All his goals were counterattack goals. He could use his speed, had acres of space, and enough time to execute his powerful left-foot shots. All very nice. This was working similarly well in WC2010 when Germany was mostly counter-attacking. But now in Germany’s possession-base game, Podolski is not able to cope with strong limitations of space and time, many direct opponents, difficult decisions. That’s it.
I guess that’s true. Still, he has been terrible at this tournament and not all that great in the last few years. For Germany (to my eyes, anyways) he has seemed a weaker and weaker player as time wore on, and when he played for Bayern he eventually flopped (although this wasn’t his fault as much as coaching change).
Neuer played the second goal all wrong. He saw the whole ply develop and just stayed on his line. What was he thinking? Was he hoping Balotelli would miss the net? He should’ve run out to the edge of the box and challenge for the ball.
Why isn’t anyone commenting on the poor decision making here? Even I could’ve scored from that position with the goalkeeper standing on his line like a statue.
I presume he either was too stunned by the defensive lapse unfolding in front of his eyes, or knew/expected that Balotelli – like any good Italian – would chip the ball over him rather mercilessly.
It was a basic error by Lahm. Montolivo even slowed down on the ball for a few seconds to check Balotelli’s location before he played the pass. Lahm must have known the pass was on and therefore should have been 100% certain of Balotelli’s position. It’s inexcusable he played him onside. Poor reading of play, worse positioning. I’m sure Neuer expected his captain to easily trap Balotelli offside and danger would have been averted. That goal, for 2-0, really dispirited Germany and boosted Italy. If it had been 1-0 at halftime, I think the result would have been quite different.
How would that hurt, if Neuer left his post, even if it was likely that Lahm would play Balotelli off-side?
This is Joachim Loew’s fault.
It is better to play, win or lose, with your own strength.
Kroos, a player who talk to the press that he is unhappy for being at the bench?
A player like that will never be good enough for Germany under Loew’s, which is based on a “teamwork and movement style”.
Want some example of Kroos-kind of player?
Look at The Netherlands.
It’s perfectly normal to be unhappy if you’re on the bench, and successful teams were never ‘all friends’.
But yes, he’s slow, cumbersome, not strong in one on one situations, way too convinced of his own playmaking godhood, etc.
Agree with those saying that prandelli should revert back to the 3-5-2 for the final. There is no use playing 4 centre mids to try and win a potential midfield/possession battle when spain play essentially 5/6 players that can drop into midfield and create overloads there. Rather concede the possession battle, as Italy did in the group game, and stay solid in the middle with extra defensive bodies. I am confident that wing backs staying wide and direct and strikers that move wide and work the channels so well (balotelli and probably cassano for the majority) on the counter will trouble spain. The first goal will, as always vs Spain, be crucial. If Italy manage it, then they have a great shot.
Never really understood why expectations were so low for Italy in the tournament – lower than Holland, France, England etc. With Pirlo – de Rossi – Marchisio and Montolivio you have the best midfield outside of Spain. Top CBs, top goalie, quality fullbacks. The only question marks were really the strikers and Cassano / Ballotelli aren’t consistent but aren’t exactly chumps.
Italy’s tactics have been good but the quality was already there. Maybe a little too much hype around some of the other leagues / players ?
More like you give the individual players in the Italian defence too much credit.
I don’t think the Italian defence individually as players are ‘top’, not even close but like Greece in 2004, they all work as a team and tactically they know what they are doing as a unit as well as the hard work the midfield puts in.
Football is a team game.
Well it’s kinda simple.
Worst WC performance ever just 2 years ago.
Abysimal fitness in the pre-tournament friendlies.
Defenders are good but not the usual top notch quality we were accustomed to.
Most in-form CB injured & best FB dropped to answer police’s questions just before the start.
No Rossi. Cassano back to play 1 month before the tournament after heart surgery.
Hesitation on betting on Balotelli not doing something ridiculously stupid at any time.
Emergency switch to a novel never tested formation few days before the debut.
You can’t really blame the non-believers
er, ok. it wasnt the worst WC performance ever (if you mean by Italy themselves, then yes probably, but out of any nation, then no. In my opinion… they started slow as Italy/big teams always do at World cups, but then really had to get going in the Slovakia game and lets be honest turned it on for the last half hour. If Cannavaro hadn’t been playing ( a very bad choice from the normally outstanding Lippi) then Italy may well have got the draw they needed.
abysmal fitness – in the friendlies – i’ll leave this one. whatever. Germany lost 3-5 in a pre tournament friendly. Doesn’t matter. Next.
Defenders not what we’re accustomed to. Ok, Chiellini, one of the best CB in world, can also play LB. Barzagli – has a world cup winners medal. Maggio and Abate – two of the best right-wing-backs in the world just now. Balzaretti – I doubt you watch or even know where Palermo is, but he’s their left-back, and has been considered one of or the best in the position in Italy since about 2008
Criscito isn’t their best fullback and i dont know what injured centre back you refer to
Rossi’s leg is broken and Cassano was back playing in April for Milan and was looking ok
Balotelli may yet explode but its fair to say he is wanting to focus and prove himeslf for something that matters to him – the Italy team
Also, the team has various Juve players (Chiellini, Barzagli, Pirlo, Marchisio, Bonucci) who have been playing a 5-3-2 for a lot of the season at Juve, and players like Maggio , Abate and Balzaretti who are good fullbacks from narrow midfield formations, and di Natale, one of the best strikers in the world in 3-5-2 formation, so honestly, the naysayers were wrong, and if one actually knew a thing or two about football they’d have been shouting Italy since before the Euro like me who stands to win £20 if they win on Sunday, here’s hoping. Rather, here’s knowing.
Means very little that Barzagli has a WC medal, he barely played. He is a good player as seen at his time in that impressive Wolfsburg side but ‘top’? pfft. Time and time again we see Abate getting caught out defensively in Serie A, the gaps he leaves are horrendous. Lost of count of the number of times his team mates have to clean up after him on the right side. I like Maggio but I have my doubts about him, make him go back towards his own goal, he is a worry. They aren’t ‘top’, not even close. Only Chiellini for me has real claims to be a top defender. Balza? He is decent but ‘top’, nope, that is a label for the likes of Cole and Marcelo.
The midfield is great though and do a lot of work defensively that is crucial to the defence.
Anonymous, chill
First of all I’m from Italy, you could have inferred that from the fact that I signed myself as Toscano – which if you don’t get it means Tuscan.
So yeah I know where Palermo is, and I know the players.
- WC ‘10:
yeah, I mean worst by Italy. We did go out at first stage before but it was the first time we didnt win a single game. And the other times we weren’t entering as reigning champions. Apart from the trivia, we were looking clueless beyond repair since the qualifiers.
- Abysmal fitness in the friendlies doesn’t matter:
It does if you get trashed by Russia, looking tired, disjointed and unfocused, few days before debuting with Spain and then going on to face Croatia. Our group was do it or die from the start and indeed we barely escaped it despite playing very well for 1 hour vs Spain and 1 half vs Croatia.
- Defenders quality:
I didn’t say they are bad. Just said that coming from the Cannavaro, Nesta and Zambrotta generation somewhat influenced our perception.
Chiellini is very good, rugged and versatile, but he’s not flawless, he’s proved during the years that despite being generally consistent he can get outsmarted or make stupid mistakes (case in point: Croatia’s goal).
Bonucci has improved every day this season at Juve but the jury is still out on his effective quality.
Barzagli looked our best man, strong and dependable (again, not world-class but he’s had the best season of his career this year), and it’s him who got injured with few days to go, being unavailable for the first matches.
Prandelli then sent reserve Ranocchia home (rightly so because he’s been crap this season) and called up Ogbonna (who’s good but plays in Serie B ffs) for the bench; and announced the intention to makeshift De Rossi as “libero” for the first matches. I love De Rossi and 352 looked like a good fit for Spain but don’t tell me this wasn’t a bit scary. One single injury more, or a red card, and we would have been in very deep waters.
Plus he had to resort to Giaccherini for left wingback, I thought the Euros are a bit out of his league and I believe he confirmed it.
- Fullbacks:
IMHO Criscito is the better of the lot. To each his own.
Balzaretti is good, sure. Maggio is enjoyable but he’s not international level IMHO. Abate is a good bloke but the other poster said it all, just ask Milan fans what they think of him.
All in all, the whole pack looked like decent players that could do their part well only *if* they were fit and *if* the whole setup clicked. Fortunately both things happened, but it was not something you could blindly bet on.
- Rossi’s leg is broken:
Doh, yeah, that’s why no Rossi.
I’m not in love with him (Di Natale is a better goalscorer and Balotelli is potentially 10 times better). But he was our safe bet (more consistent, dependable, humble, professional than Balotelli; more versatile, better passer, younger than Di Natale) and he was out.
- Cassano was back playing in April for Milan and was looking ok:
Yep he resumed well, but obviously lacked match fitness. Which is just actually showing – while he’s providing all what he was expected to provide, he’s clearly got no more than 1 hour of range at max and everytime he start we have to reserve a subbing for him.
Again, I love Cassano, but that was another source of anxiety.
- Balotelli:
Look, I’m an Inter fan and a Believer in Mario since day 1.
But apart from the fact you can never rule out madness with him, the problem was – would his team mates believe in him as well? He’s always risking to be ostracized by the group.
Then, technically, there’s the issue that he would’ve had to play the out-n-out striker role for us, and that’s not his forte.
You could clearly see this in all the games up until the semi.
His movement between the lines were excellent and he was very precious, despite the occasional slack off, in putting pressure and helping bringing the ball forward, but his movements in the box looked amateurish and he was always slow-thinking when a true striker should’ve gone for the sting.
Thank God he finally stepped up against Germany but that was far from certain.
So, it was not about being nay-sayers and not recognizing Italy’s many qualities.
It was just that those qualities came with a pretty big list of “if”, and summing it up together you got the feeling that you couldn’t allow yourself to be overly confident.
At least, I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t. As an Azzurri fan to the heart I had to shield myself from the risk of a heartbreak.
Btw, you’ll get 20£ if we win on sunday? Nice but it seems that you to weren’t overly confident with the amount you did bet, no?
Bad WC 2 years ago? Ditto for England, France etc. Irrelevant.
Fitness in friendlies? Try undefeated in qualifying.
Defenders: Chellini is one of best CB in world; Barzagli / Bonochi are at least on par with other top teams 2nd CB (except maybe Spain). Maggio, Balzaretti, Abate are all capable 2-way FBs. Not like the tourny is full of Cafus and Maldinis.
Goaltending and Midfield: outstanding
Strikers – agreed it was a question mark.
Overall – should have been rated on par with Holland, behind Germany and Spain, ahead of the rest, IMHO
LOL, on par with Holland? Then rubbish, as to me it was clear that Holland was crap this time.
Anyway, again, it’s just that too many things looked like going the wrong way in the months approaching the Euro to be overly confident.
“Never really understood why expectations were so low for Italy in the tournament”
With half the team pretty much with one leg in prison, it’s rather natural to expect the on-pitch form to follow suit. ;P
Lowe is tacticaly inept. I also noticed something interesting. Prandelli was giving instructions the entire match, even individual instructions on who to track and what gap to close, while his german counterpart sat on the bench sulking. I am not suggesting it made a world of difference tacticaly, but on a psychologic level it must count for something.
Italy were well organised, had a clear plan, and had a backbone, so congratulations are in order. I also hope Prandelli gets a job at a top club after he leaves Italy.
I don’t know if Löw was ’sulking’ but he and his team did seem to become dispirited very quickly (after Balotelli’s goal for 2-0 to be precise). They rallied at various times in the second half, but there were period when their body language (and Löw’s) did suggest they felt defeated – and at 0-2 with 55 mins (or even 5) to play, you shouldn’t. I wonder how much their semi final defeat in 2010 and to an extent, Bayern Munich’s recent CL final loss (also, Real Madrid’s CL semi final defeat), affected certain players mentally. The experienced likes of Lahm and Schweinsteiger, who have lost a few important matches for Bayern and Germany in the past, hardly seemed to lift at 0-2 and inspire their less experienced teammates; in fact, they seemed the most shaken by the surprise scoreline. As coach, Löw is responsible for his team not being prepared (in my opinion) for an unexpected setback and to overcome adversity. (Usually a major quality of German teams in the past).
I agree with you, maybe the psyche was poor due to recent big game losses but after 2-0 down, you could feel the air sapped out of the German team. This for me was a big surprise because even at 0-2 down, a single goal would change the whole tempo of the game.
I expected a better response from the Germans at that point but while they did try, they felt flat.
“sat on the bench sulking”
much in contrast to all the games before.
I’m just wondering what the statistics are for headers won/clearances won inside the Italian penalty box, because Chiellini, Bonucci and Barzagli were ABSOLUTE beasts when Italy defended deep. Seems like a likely back three for the final with Maggio and Giacherini as wing backs. I just wonder who would be dropped from the midfield (Marchisio). Or – as ZM has suggested – will Prandelli keep the diamond? Can’t wait to see his lineup on Sunday.
Great review! Wish I found u earlier. One stupid question, why was Ozil kicking the penalty? I would imagine teams have a “list” prepared beforehand about who’s gonna do the penalty kick if there is one. Usually it was Podolsky or Klose or Lahm who did it for the Germany team. Why Ozil this time though? Seems odd.
In order to stop Pirlo,Low pushed Kros and Ozil in the centre,but he lost his right wing.And the first goal came from there,as Cassano was playing more like a left winger,so Italy were having one man more when attacking-situation 2 vs 1.
Moreover I disagree with ZM that Ozil was playing from the right to the centre.I saw Khedira a couple of times going to the right zone to cover it,and even playing in times like a right winger.
In the second half-Low introduced Reus,so now Germany had a right winger.But they did not have a left winger,as Kros kept his role in the cente of the pitch.
Low got his tactics wrong.He disbalanced his side by introducing an extra man in the position of AMC so that he could have situation 2 vs 1 against Pirlo.
That’s the shortest way of summing up the wisdom contained in ~200 comments here, yes.
Thanks!
It is quite clear now. Germany didn’t strut through the group phase; their broken functionality made it appear as a nonchalant walk. One thing was definitely true, though: Joachim Low, couldn’t contain the pragmatist in him, combined with a myopic stubbornness, played it safe throughout the tournament, ignoring and escaping from what he prompted and nurtured.
What started with a Klose not in full fitness, became a morbid tendency to trust on Gomez instead, as if the explosion of fresh football in the last world cup, the perfect qualification to the euro, had not been constructed with the deadly trio of Klose-Muller-Ozil.
What’s worse, Podolski’s gradual detachment from the team play, unable to fit in this new possession-quick passing-swift movement system, saw instead a sudden rise of a new player, in the person of Marco Reus. Not only he has better touch on the ball, he is able to link constantly with Ozil, and Klose, promising the aforementioned deadly trio to become and deadly quartet.
However, Low instead preferred to break Germany’s essence in attack in favor of a piece that, would surely (in theory) guarantee goals, regardless of how much that would break the attacking pace and form of his team. Gomez, unable to link cleverly with Ozil, and his non-existent collaboration with whoever plays on the wings, to Low was a worthy bet. Just like subbing Ozil or Muller for the more defensive Kroos.
While the usage of Kroos could be assessed, with a lot of reason, as correct, to hold on to the result, his inclusion in the match against Italy only revealed Low’s lack of confidence in his defensive line and midfield. Even if unconscious, the message was clear: I don’t trust my best starting eleven will be able to claim the possession of the ball, so we have to change and approach this differently, we need more marking and tackling (Podolski), so lets put a poacher upfront to take advantage of their desire for the ball.
Even though Joachim Low, always knew who his best eleven players were, what starting lineup would not betray the essence of this new german style.
The german players, nonetheless, were able to press, claim the ball and put Italy in trouble, despite Podolski having trouble controlling the ball each time someone played him a pass, and Gomez essentially leaving the team with ten players. It is quite clear that Gomez is not the future for Germany, if they intend to keep their current style. A static and slow center forward, only benefits the opponent, by slowing down and streamlining the attack of the whole team.
The player is what it is, though, it’s not really their fault. That is why Joachim Low certainly deserves the title of “flop of the match,” recognizing his mistake, fixing in the middle of the match his team into what it should have been since the beginning of the first half, however, with only three available substitutions, and telling his men to finally play the way they are supposed to, to its full extent, only when they are already two goals behind.
Mario Gomez is fucken shite. Can hardly trouble Italian backline, let alone Spain. It was so frustating to watch when Germany at times spread the play side to side and the channel gap appears only to see Gomez staying central.
Funny thing is, when Italy increasingly drop deeper, that was when Gomez was needed the most, but he has already left the field at the time.
For the moment, the one most suit to replace Klose as point of reference would be Reus. Gomez should never be a Plan 1. Interesting to watch the development of forward four – Reus, Ozil, Gotze, Muller.
If any, this is a good lesson for Germany to learn from. Germany backline was too easily breached at times and just show the limitation of Badstuber, for instance. Germany also needed someone to step up and able to replace Schweini, when he is in poor form. On top of it all, this just show how far Spain is from the rest (judging as Spain already met Italy before), and that Germany is almost equivalent to Spain is a mere presumption.
Also, Germany’s ‘Munich backbone’ wasn’t all impenetrable. Once, in CL Final they fall, and again , here. 3 of the backline is their player + Schweini just in front.
If he had brought Klose for Gomez and Reus for Kroos, yes, that would have been fixing it. But removing your left wing player to bring on a right wing player, only to add another right wing player later, that’s beyond moronic. Well, I guess the ‘chaos theory football’ played in the later stages of the second half is irrelevant. The damage was long done by then.
Haha! I’ve been playing diamond for ages on Football Manager, the future is here!
Seems like lots of people miss that while most of Europe plays the 4-2-3-1 system, in Serie A they prefer 3-5-2 and 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-2-1. Suddenly everyone is stunned that the Italians are so tactically surprising for the opponents, and they have the players that can switch between these.
I don’t really think this victory was because of tactics. Yes Kroos wasn’t good and Reus would probably have been more of an attacking threat, but Pirlo wasn’t nearly as important as against England and that is partly to the inclusion of Kroos. Pirlo had less than half the passes as in the England game, less than a third of his trademark long balls.
For me this Game was decided by mistakes in Defence for both of Balotellis Goals and Germany’s lack of using their crosses which reflectes back to the CL-Final. 14 to zero corners but no real threat from one.
Congratulations Italy I hope you beat spain in the final.
I think German league’s environment affect national team performance, somewhat disjointed defense but very good offense. If two defenders cannot prevent attacker’s turning and crossing, how you can possibly defend? Nothing you can do about it, Joke of defend.
Italian did a great job at overloading that left flank as Ozil was always going to drift in and we know how suspect Boateng is. Germany don’t provide as much as defensive cover from midfield for the back four as some other teams do and they paid the price for it yesterday. But still no amount of cover will excuse them letting in Cassano for that first goal. They are good defenders but without midfield cover, they are just that. There was no unified approach in their team play when without the ball.
Hope to see Maggio back, probably my fave right wing back/full back of the tournament. Provides width and attacking potency that the others do not. Though maybe Prandelli doesn’t have faith in him for a flat four defence?
“Germany didn’t play to their strengths, nor nullify Italy’s.”
Nuff said.
Spot on analysis ZM.
But the real reasons why Germany lost was pure INDIVIDUAL mistakes in the defense which did NOT come from a wrong tactic.
Hummel’s horrible defendeing against Casano (when german defense had 3v2 on the side) and Lahm killing the offsite trap after a german corner kick cannnot be blamed to Löw.
Because in both situations Germany could have avoided the goals easily if the defenders would have shown a normal defending performance.
Italy was very good. But the italian chances in the second half came because Germany open up to nullify their individual mistakes from first half.
Italy is the rigth winner but the goals were not forced by tactics because in both situations germany had enough men in the critical areas to solve the situation (which is the purpose of tactics, right?).
Italy and Prilo are great to watch. I hope they go for the title.
Sure, you have to look at individual mistakes for the two Italy goals but you have to look at tactics to explain why Germany was so poor offensively:
1. The Italian diamond outnumbered and disrupted the German midfield that had circulated the ball so well in earlier games (as predicted by ZM);
2. The lack of width on the German right midfield/attack (directly caused by Loew’s tactical tinkering), plus the poor attacking ability of Boateng, made it a lot easier for Italy to defend.
Sure that is why I wrote Italy is the right winner.
But Germany dominated the game before the 1-0 and had plenty of chances to go one up. And then came the mistake on the right side and the game turned. Italy didn’t even enter the german box before the goal.
Most defences who play that high a line and with the defensive work from midfield not good, will always get caught out. In certain incidences you can blame the defence such as the silly defending for the first goal but in general, it is hard work for a defence when using a high line, you need to defend from the front, not just with the back four. Spain play a high line but their midfield press alot better and the two pivot players know how and when to fill in defensively, as well as keep the ball most of the time! Italy play deeper as well as their midfield works hard defensively. Though I guess maybe the lack of organised defensive work from midfield is part of the German’s adventurous attacking charm.
So I think apart from maybe Boateng, the German midfield needs work defensively, instead of the German defence.
As an Italian fan, I don’t think there’s a lot of doubt on the formation that Prandelli will choose against Spain. It will be the 4-3-1-2.
Here’s why:
i) The 3-5-2 was used only because Barzagli was out with an injury. Prandelli sees him as the leader of the back four and doesn’t trust Bonucci or Chiellini as such.
ii) Prandelli has – in his own words – “an idea of football” and he doesn’t trade it with tactical concerns regarding the opponents. The diamond is working increasingly wonderfully and he will stick to it.
iii) Italy’s midfield (with this formation especially) is dominant. Portugal’s 4-3-3 has managed to prevent Spain to get hold of the midfield, the Italian diamond’s density should work even better.
By the way, hats off to Prandelli.
No one expected Italy to put on such a show.
Even if NOW it’s easy to point out Pirlo, Cassano, Balotelli, De Rossi, Marchisio as elite players, who would’ve ranked Italy as stacked team or a talented one?
Prandelli managed to get the best out of what he had.
Let’s remember he has no wingers whatsoever – except Giaccherini, a newbie. So he shaped this team to have a dominant midfield in terms of both quantity and quality.
He also kept everyone in check (Cassano and Balo are head cases) and built a wonderful team spirit.
The final is going to be a tactically and technically inspiring match, and it will be very different, in my opinion, from the first group match between the two sides.
Cassano-Balotelli combination for the first goal, the two snubbed by Lippi!!
An interesting point is, Slovakia beat Italy 3-2 in 2010, and when Lippi threw on a half-fit Pirlo, every time he got the ball 3 Slovakian players ran at him rapidly and closed him down. This was the way to beat Italy, and nobody seems to remember that match. People think : it’s a different Italy now, (But at the same time didn’t expect Italy to win because of their poor showing in 2010 – somebody please work this out for me because to me it makes no sense) that Italy was terrible, (In fact they retain the spine of the team) , Slovakia win was a fluke, etc. but really, they beat them and the game needs looking at. Same goes for Switzerland – Spain.
About this Germany game. I have said Italy will win the Euro since before it started (indeed i have a £2 bet on it) and i have no reason to go back on that now. Spain have been poor by their standards and quite honestly look beatable if a team uses its chances (look at Portugal.) Spain have used long balls quite a lot in this tournament, and the whole 6-midfielders thing.. isn’t really working, lets be honest. Italy outplayed them in the group, and we could possibly say, “well spain were just finding their feet with this system”, but they seem to still be finding their feet with this system, I’d argue they can’t play this system! Busquets and Alonso just doesn’t work, Silva has been pretty bad, Pedro and Navas can create but that’s down to their individual brilliance rather than fitting in the team tactic.
Germany just threw their best players into a 4-2-3-1 and didn’t hope for the best, but just threw them in a 4-2-3-1, rather like Bayern have been doing. Heynckes and Low are not, in my opinion, great or even good tacticians and seem to be more about motivation than anything else. Germany were far too arrogant, thought the final was already theirs to lose 0-1 to Spain, and when a good team played them they got found out. The most overrated team of recent times (Germany 06-12), unbeaten run of 15 competitive games – yeah – against who? Minnows in a qualification group with nothing to play for? I dont know why people were clamouring about Germany, probably because they score a lot of goals. Gomez is in my opinion a dreadful striker, Podolski is in my opinion power and nothing else, Ozil looked fairly disinterested in this Euro, Kroos seems to go missing in big games, as does Schweinsteiger, Khedira is in my opinion just not really that good, the defence was terrible apart from Hummels, and they were in the wrong positions anyway. The whole team is and was a mess and semi-final appearances don’t paper over the cracks for me. They need to find a tactic. AT this level football is about tactics, not “toss on our best players and well win because .. well .. . we’re better!” this is what Bayern and Germany thought, and when they came up against good, organized, tactical teams they got found out, and good riddance. Forza italia.
Gomez is shite , that, i agree.
Ozil was tired after a long season with Real but still one of the best German player here. That guy is class.
Podolski …let’s just say Reus is miles ahead.
Kroos is frankly not a starting 11 material for this side.
Schweini is off-form
This Germany need to be less reliance on Bayern skeleton. This is even worse than CL final. With respect to those players, at bayern they have the luxury of two guys who can do something out of nothing.
I remember 2010 like it was yesterday (due to the pain involved).
What I remember is Pirlo being injured and Italy being incredibly bad for 2 1/2 games, and Pirlo coming on for the last 1/2 hour and suddenly Italy looking like a team again. Turned out to be too little too late.
Lots of people say ’shut down Italy (Juve / Milan) by shutting down Pirlo like so and so did in this game’. But the list of games where he was so ’shut down’ is pretty small, and the list of big games where he has excelled is pretty long? Is it because opposing teams are stupid, or because when he is surrounded by the right players / system, its actually really hard to stop him? Watch the interplay between him, de Rossi, the CBs, the other midfielders …. its terrific. You can’t chase the ball forever.
Germany should have done a better job, just saying its not easy.
regarding the germany overrated Y/N? debate: if you have watched the usual friendlies of the german national team over the last two and a half decades as i did and suddenly nights like the 3-2 defeat vs brazil and the 3-0 against the netherlands are happening than you just can’t stand rating this team as high as it gets. look at these players, look how 10 of them have played cl-semifinals this season and five of them have won the sub21 euro in 2009. overrated? this is ridiculous. this was a semifinal of a european championship. you might be a really good team despite loosing there! and remember, this was the youngest team of the tournament, so we’ll see how these players and this team will develop in upcoming years.
nevertheless, I think löw should only get one last chance to finally win and abandon after wc 2014
That’s how it is already, he won’t continue past 2014.
So it’s Italy and Germany to teach everyone on modern football? The two teams most people envy. They bring something fresh to the game. Italy. And Germany. Wow.
Portugal have forgotten about playing dirty, Denmark maintain their usual fresh approach (without covering their lack of quality), Russia play well when all goes well. And Spain continue to play Occupy Midfield. Brilliantly, but also showing the all-importance of Messi and Ronaldo. But it’s the two old giants who inspire.
Italy masterclassed Germany in playing smart. Youngsters need structure and don’t know what to do when facing something the coach hadn’t instructed them before. This was made worse by Low’s choice to brake his own structure, without having trained this way.
Since Van Gaal, Bayern play the same 4-2-3-1 every game. Germany is and does the same (but with rightly footed wingers). Low tried to some extent to bring in a bit of the Borussia schwung but in the end couldn’t find a proper mix. And didn’t dare to bench Ozil. As a Dutchman, this German game very much reminded me of our own games this tournament.
Are Italian players simply better developped tactically, or is it perhaps mainly Prandelli who’s mastered everyone?
I think there could be something in the point about Italian footballers being more tactically astute. They are raised in one of the most tactic-centric footballing cultures. Mourinho described Serie A as being the most difficult league to manage in from a tactical point of view because even the ’small’ teams have tricks up their sleeve and are constantly tweaking and adapting throughout a game – this surely requires a higher number of players who understand tactics. Obviously, it isn’t necessarily true that players will have this understanding as they are often simply tools deployed by the manager but a lot of the Italian national team’s players over the years have shown on-field tactical nouse.
why it’s ozil that need to be benched? he was barely a weaklink in this game.
Well, Özil is why we play the 4-2-3-1. Without him, we can be anything we want to be ^^;
without him we’d lose the most realiable playmaker & creator in the team though, and we wouldn’t be as good as we could be.
Who said Ozil can not play other than the hole in 4-2-3-1?
Ozil can slotted nicely on the wing so long as he’ll have at least one player to link up up front and one player to link up in the middle.
In this game in first half from up front neither gomez & podolski link up with him well and everytime ozil tried to exchange passes with them it’s suddenly the dead end. From the middle only Khedira link up with him well, but Khedira’s poor first touch & technical attribute limited the impact of this link up. This worked with Benzema up front & Kaka in the middle (when Kaka not sucking).
I thought Kroos suppsoed to be the one who support Ozil to create as Kroos has better tecnical attributes compare to Khedira and just let Khedira focus on breaking the play. But it’s actually Khedira who tried to supprt Ozil in attack in this game. Which is weird, and made the reason of putting the Kroos in became moot. I wanted to see Gundogan to play in the middle maybe could be work better than Kroos.
I think Loew should have used Khedira at the top of three man midfield, to pick up Pirlo. And why he withdraw the flanks? He should have used his direct wingers like Schurrle or Reus, it was very logical as Italy are very narrow side. With Schweinsteiger – Kroos – Khedira midfield, supported by Ozil on the flank (constantly changing sides) they could battle in midfield. And using Reus (also changing sides) creates 2v1 on flank. It seemed very logical to me and can’t understand why Loew didn’t so much tactical.
Watching Bayern and Deutchland this year has lead me to intensely dislike Neuer for his arrogant bearing, but his contribution to the attack in the final 5 minutes while looking for an equaliser was magnificent. Especially THAT diving header at around 93 minutes. I now admit I was wrong.
Last night I so wished for Neuer to actually smash home the equalizer and Germany to go on winning on penalties.
Just imagine for a second how the media would have gone mental. Football story of the century that unfortunately never came to be.
Italy’s best player for the entire tournament has been Marchisio, he has been doing an awesome job helping out the defense, I hope he has gas left for Sunday.
I think many are being extremely harsh on Loew and Germany.
Loew was facing a very real, very tangible problem in what to do with Pirlo. The fundamental structural problem for him was that GER best player – Ozil – is also an area potential weaknesses due to his limited defense & work.
Sure one can say that GER should have kept their base system. But yesterday when Ozil was in the middle and had to mark Pirlo he was very poor. ITA first goal was an example of that. To start the move, Ozil is central with Kroos marking De Rossi on R. Initially Ozil defends Pirlo by pushing him to the ground (rather than defending by reading position and moving his feet). Ozil doesn’t even make a concerted effort to disposses the ball. Pirlo simply gets up and drops a bit deeper. Ozil stops pressuring or even tracking him. Pirlo is completely open in space for an easy outlet to his L flank.
An entire game of that kind of defense from Ozil on Pirlo wasn’t particularly promising for GER either. If Loew hadn’t made a defensive adjustment and Pirlo dictated the match people would be excoriating him for being too rigid and not learning, etc.
In addition, Ozil often struggles in possession when the opposition pressures him strongly and suffocates his space. Ozil-79% pass accuracy v ITA. 6 turn overs. Disspossed 3 additional times. That is extremely problematic for the hub of an attack.
Kroos as a solution didn’t work well. But that doesn’t mean that Loew’s diagnosis of a serious problem wasn’t accurate.
Loew’s challenge ironically is one that managers in Italy have had to face with Pirlo. How do you construct a system around a brilliant player who is also very limited in certain phases of the game out of possession? This work is ongoing for Loew. It isn’t easy because of the trade offs involved with Ozil being the key player on a side.
One can imagine the best system for Ozil to play in is a 4-4-2 diamond manning the tip of the diamond. Is Loew willing to make that large of a commitment to this one player? Those are the kinds of decision Loew is facing moving forward. They aren’t easy.
Ozil’s poor passing percentage and turnover rate was more because he was the only one who tried to pull of risky passes to create chances, a lot of them actually found his team mate in dangerous position, especially Khedira, but Khedira’s poor first touch made him failed to control it & lost the ball. That contributed a lot to Ozil’s poor stats. It almost paid off though, Ozil created 4 key passes, more than any other player for both teams.
I don’t know why you made it as if it’s ozil’s responsiblity to mark pirlo while it was khedira, kroos, & bastian that pirlo mostly up againts at and neither of these three player pressure him either. For the first goal, Khedira & Bastian also stood around pirlo and neither of them tried to stop Pirlo either. Why it is ozil who’s suppose to stop pirlo making that pass? Either way, that pass from Pirlo wasn’t even suppose to be dangerous. Chielini & Casano were well marked by Boetang & Hummels, who knows that both Boeteng & Hummels f*** up and let Chielini-Casano had all the time in the world to exchange passes & leat to casano’s cross to Bollateli who are suppose to be mark by Badstuber and too bad Badstuber f*** up too.
My point is, if anyone deserve credit for the first goal, it was Chielini, Casano & Ballotelo who successfully made a fun of Boetang, Hummels, and Badstuber. Not Pirlo.
Harsh? Well, he lied about the bit where we’re now good old grown ups and can thus play our own game instead of adapting to the opposition. Instead we try to adapt and in the process ruin everything.
germany made two mistakes and italy scored to goals from them. this happens on such a high level.
always had the feeling the germans were never on 100% in the whole tournament. i thought they never needed the 100% but against italy you saw it was everything they could do. lots of players out of shape. but still semi final isnt that bad.
i wonder if germany will be the new holland. playing nice football but lose in the important matches.
Really, just two mistakes? This could have ended with Italy scoring 4 or 5, what with all the mistakes Germany was making in defense.
But that was after Germany had gone all-out attack in the second half. There were those crucial two mistakes in the first half. Without them, or at least without one of them, Germany would have had a chance to turn the game in half two.
the players just arn’t working so hard. you don’t see the energetic pressing from German players they think that they can win just by their skills. In this respect the German team is even more arrogant than Bayern. At least under Heynkes, Bayern players were hardworking.
Completely agree with you on Germany not playing 100% in the whole tournament.
I think the Germans are sunk by their own inexperience and complacency. Throughout the Euro Germany were playing in second gear. They got by the theoretically hardest group too easily. They were always in control of the game and did just enough to get a win. Never once did they find themselves losing the upper hand.
There were warning signs of defence lacking focus, too. With the exception of Van Persie’s goal, the goals they conceded were preventable if the defence kept their focus. They got away with the mistakes because their attacks were great.
Look at Buffon’s reaction in the 2-1 win over Germany. He was furious about the last 5 minutes when his team gave the Germans a tiny chance of coming back. He did not settle for just a win. As a veteran at the top level, Buffon knew what to demand from his team mates. We saw none of that from Lahm and Schweinsteiger when Germany conceded cheap goals.
Against Italy, they didn’t play poorly. Germany had chances to score before Balotelli got his first. Again the defence made bad mistakes. And once they fell behind, the inexperienced Germans were seemingly shocked and Italians increasing grew into the game. Their most capped players, Lahm, Podolski, Klose, Schweinsteiger, could not reassert their influence in the game. This was the first game the Germans found themselves unable to control the game, and they failed to find a response.
As Loew pointed out, this was a lesson for them. I expect them to continue to improve and again make an impact in WC2014.
Dear Germans, blame it on your german ref Wolfgang Stark! he robbed Croatia by not granting them two clear penalties against Spain! otherwise Croatia would have played at least 1-1 against Spain – and the Italians would not have reached the Quarter finals.payback is a bitch…
Or rather Italy and Croatia would’ve survived the group. That’d be closer to their respective performance levels too.
Stark is a terrible monster who should be thrown into a deep hole along with Kroos and Schürrle, though, yes.
to be honest i dont think low made any bad decision with the starting line up . playing wasnt a bad decision he just tried to free ozil who would had been 2 on i against the like of de rossi and pirlo (he is good defensive player for which he is not credited ) . playing kross freed ozil from being closed down if both had gone to close him down then that would had free kroos who too is a very good playmaker and has a good eye for pass .
the germans started brightly and should be ahead . the gamble to play kross and ozil both paid here . if you can remember khadeira was making so excellent runs from the middle start on and on such one run he wriggle free of his marker montolivo and both pirlo and de rossi could not go and close him down because they were looking for ozil and kross who went straight on goal . his runs disappeared from the middle of the first half . credit to montolivo also who too started to get into his face and most importantly he started taking very good positions forward because of cassano’s movement . german were adamant in defense and that is what cost them the first goal and hummels was the stupid party . for the cassano wasnt going anywhere he was very well guarded by boetang but hummels stepped up and most importantly he tried to be clever ( which i teach my kids never to be on defense and never leave your goal side) . hummels was coming second best to cassano and they had 2 or three where on they could had buried the game .
the germans lost not because of the choice of players but because their game went in air after the first goal and they just didnt know as how they just approach the game . italy just sat back in the middle and invited them to open if they can the german adamant nature proved them costly trying to score a picture perfect goal . they just played in italy’s hand trying to open through the middle for most part of the had they seen as to how they causing trouble when they were going wide by crossing low . high crosses were bread and butter for italian CB’s . secondly germans wanted to make their way through that rigid italian defense for that they never passed crisply nor did they committed somebody to go and join gomez or klose . once or twice they passed crisply and found chances but couldnt take it . ozil is very good player and a very good passer or the ball but at times he spends too much time on the ball which slows down the game allowing the defense to organize themselves . the germans were sluggish they never showed the energy which they showed at the start of the game and were too adamant of their own quality . by the start of the second half they never knew as to how they should approach the game and what should they do and started playing high crosses which was not going to work .
the germans were too adamant they just tried to open though italy through the middle wher they had numbers superiority and most importantly they were too adamant of their quality .secondly they never stretched italy they never crisply to stretch italy and for my liking spend too much time on the ball . if i was joachim low i would had played somebody other than boetang as he is good on the ball but is slow and cannot stretch the defense fully or can take somebody in a one on one and beat him . whenever they played the pass to boetang the passes were not direct but bounce passes which takes time to collect and then make use of the ball which allows the defense to shift while direct ball reduces time and thus stretches the opponent . german sluggishness caused them the spot in the finals
to be honest italy had a game plan and it worked beautifully for them . i had said in my pregame post that it would be important to see as to how balotelli and cassano linked with each other and how the germans defense handle’s them . the first goal showed them linking perfectly although hummels stupidity played a big part in it .but both seem to be relishing playing with each other and montolivo also linked quite nicely . he found himself in good space because of cassano’s and balotelli’s movement . marchisio was wasteful as i had said earlier he has no real quality in that italy side but his hard work and ability to close is plus point on italian defense . the germans played in italians had instead of getting stretch the germans tried open through middle which was italy’s fortress .
it is very easy to criticize the loosing coach but then does anybody wants to loose . every coach is like a chess player who has a certain plan in his mind as to how they going to approach the game based on the strength’s and weakness of their players ( that is why i never criticized hodgson ) and based on that they hatch a plan at times it works and most importantly those coaches are called brilliant who are flexible and can make the necessary adjustments after they spot something ( bilic made that against italy ) for me low couldnt
do that even his plans werent flexible .
last but not the least the germans have a good team and can build on it but the germans needs to just step up on the gas play somewhat crisply and if he had looked for the possession time of the players on the ball then he may find a surprise which he needs to check as i had said earlier gemans spend a bit more time on the ball than wanted and that is what cost them the spot .
Yes and no on your points. I agree on your views about Germans should have taken their earlier chances and Hummels was the main culprit.
But pairing up Kroos and Oezil in such formation is wrong. Kroos’ strength is playmaking and shooting from distance. But he’s weak in defending and tactical disciple. So putting his on right and pairing him with Boateng means disaster on the flank. That’s why Italians kept attacking from German’s right most of the time.
And going a goal down to Italian so early is the worst thing you can do since it allows them to play their fav style of sitting deep and counter attack. Germans should have played patiently and killed them in the 2nd half. As you noticed they withdrew a lot of players in the 2nd half due to tiredness.
I agree with someone here that Loew should have played Khedira on top of his midfield diamond to restrict Pirlo the freedom.
to be honest anna ( i think you are south indian ) i think your facts are based on one single match . i dont think he was bad but i think he was played a bit up than i would i had liked . if he would had partnered khadeira in the midfield then he would had been very effective as he would had a bigger field to work on and more players to pick out in front of him . him playing just behind gomez or klose meant that he was like a second striker where on he was suppose to either to pass the ball to gomez or anybody who is in a decent goal scoring position or take shot himself which he did when he had no other option . had he played in khadeira’s position then he would had definitely been more effective as he would had more no. of players to pick out with his vision which he has i bet ( he will be one of the best ) . germans played too wide for my liking which limited his options . ozil was doing his work or distributing which he is there for and had more freedom roaming around the pitch while kroos for my liking was much stationary and rigid had he been free then he would had definitely caused damage .
and far as your point that the germans should had been patient and killed off the italians . anna you are underestimating the italians and more so ever he strengthened the midfield with the substitutions in 2nd half they could had been patient had a single goal came in first half . you cant be patient with 2 goals down . my wild idea would had been use per matesacker up front as they didnt had any height advantage there and since the italians had shut off the midfield so the best option was to go wide and cross which they did and caused problems on one or two occasions but i would had done that and seen what happened .
khadeira is destroyer in this tournament he did showed his offensive side of the game since schweni ( i hate shortforms ) was less mobile because of injury i think . he did quite a few runs but he is not a creative players nor has he got an eye for a pass or how to initiate goal scoring plays . he can get to end of things but certainly not creative .
to be honest he played kross but didnt offer him anything work at was injustice to his talent and team playing too wide neither helped them since at bayern he has gomez , ribery , and robben in close attendance to pick at . he has a good eye for pass and is very good at picking players in tight conditions when the defense least expects him too be .
hey michael can you just post the final preview early as it can be a good thing to talk about .
why awaiting moderation.
Well, you are partially correct my forefathers were from southwest India.
Talking about the match I assure I watch Kroos a lot, Bundesliga, Champions League as well as in the international matches.
I don’t think Kroos played badly and I like him as a player too. He has his own strengths and weaknesses too. I had expanded my points on him a bit more on other posts so you can read that up too. I think it was a mistake to play him on the right. I agree with you that he would have been more effective if paired up with Khedira in the CM.
If you read Buffon’s comments as well as note the subs, you know that their key players were unable to last 90 min, much less extra time. Yes they can bring fresh players but their subs are not level as their first 11.
Any do read my comments elsewhere here to see my views fully.
Amazinh how people are bashing Germany, not by their tactical mistakes (the real blunder), but for individuals and squad strengths…
Germany have a world class team.
They have been one of the best teams around in the last 6 years of international football.
People come here and bash players and the overal squad, but that just shows how much tactics are important in today’s football.
In the wrong tactic, anyone can look bad.
I was not a big Thomas Mueller fan before but start to like him, offensively and defensively, since the Champions League final. I was kind of shocked knowing is not in the start lineup. He should had provide help in both defensive and offensive game.
I did not follow Bundesliga much this season, but Schweni looks pedestrian in CL final and in this tournament. I would not mind sitting him, at least could try it in one of the earlier games.
Roy Hodgeson was trying to press Pirlo, but the team kind of failed him. Lowe should has learn from it and press Pirlo consistently. I have no idea why he did not do it.
Germany do not have a good denfensive personel, but so are Italy, Spain and other countries. There has not been any great defenders since Jaap Stam, especially CBs. Defence now is more about system and teamwork nowadays.
Lowe should have done a better job for this game.
“Defence now is more about system and teamwork nowadays.” Defence always was about those. (In my experience the same is true in rugby too. System, teamwork and positional sense – that’s defence.)
Pirlo this, pirlo that. Not sure why pirlo got so much credit and Germany’s fail is being assoiated with their fail in managing pirlo. Pirlo did nothing threatening the hole game. He send long balls through up front as usual. but neither of them was dangerous. Montolovo’s long ball were actually way more dangerous than Pirlo’s.
Italy’s success were credit mainly to their front men: casano, balloteli who managed to exploit Germany’s back four countless time when thet reallu should have done better.
It’s not about Pirlo won the midfield battle, it’s about those front man deceived Germany’s back 4.
Pirlo was super-good this tournament and this deluded Löw into playing useless Kroos as some sort of Experimental Anti-Pirlo Equipment (EAPE). It blew up in his face.
I agree Pirlo was super good. But really he wasn’t the reason why Germany lost yesterday. They lost because the early 2 goals and they were too broke down to come back after that. Germany started the game strong and that would be a different game if Ger managed to score early from chances the had or if Hummels, Badstuber, & Boetang didn;t mess up againt Casano & Balloteli. Pirlo really isn’t the big factor other than he made Loew scared that he overthinking the tactic to face this match.
So where was Germany’s vaunted attack all game?
It died in the midfield where Italy dominated.
And Pirlo is the key player there, though to be fair the focus has been too much on him and not enough on the other 3.
we saw it during the first 15 minutes or so when Germany had a good time on the ball, chances was there, but they failed to convert any of those. Then they were stupidly conceded from the first real chance from Italy in which Chielini, Casano, & Balloteli played key roles, not Pirlo. After that it was a different game, Germany lost their mind & rushed everything everytime they got the ball hence made it easier for Italy’s destroyers to break their play. Things got worse after the concesed the second goal, though they still had their chances especially at the beginning of the second half. Credit to Buffon & Italy’s defender for denied all of those. I really don’t see in what part Pirlo played key roles. In attack, especially in chance creation, Casano, Montolivo, & Ballotely, even De Rossi clearly played a more important role. In defense, to contain Germany’s attack, it was de rossi along with benuci & motta who persistently not giving an inch for Germany’s forward, especially after they’re leading 2-0. Pirlo wasn’t the most imporant player for Italy’s win yesterday, not even their top 3. De Rossi, Balloteli, & Casano were far better.
Pirlo’s impact off the pitch is not being recognized. The man has had such an influential tournament that his main impact on Italy’s opponents is to make the opponents twist their game out of the natural shape to try to compensate for him. His mere presence appears to have thrown the German game – he didn’t need to do more than have a decent game (which he did) to have enough of an impact, when combined with his reputation.
bit agree bit not . listen there needs to be player who can keep the flow of the game going who can initiate the attack for which he needs to make the decisions as to who he needs to pass so as to the pass made by him to player should be used properly which can be of some threat . just as the final pass is important so also to pick player who can make that final pass is also important and that work is done by pirlo . he can constantly find cassano accurately by his long balls which creates defense into attack and just as cassano’s movement created space for montolivo to explore in the same way pirlo’s ball to montolivo at exact moment was the reason as to why he could use it to create the opportunity . so he needs to get the laurels he deserve but at the same time cassano and balotelli and montolivo deserve . even though pirlo may make a good pass but they need to use it wisely and finish it what has been started or what is the use of him .
as a german i’m still quite shocked about Löw’s catastrophic lineup and the player’s he sent on the pitch. He’s under a lot of pressure from german media and supporters right now.
i’ll never get why he loves Podolski so much, why he can’t see that Gomez destroys our offensive game or that Schweini was out of shape all the time and literally begged to bench him in a press conference (“i’m not at 100% and would understand if i was benched”(!)).
if only we had a decent coach… with that many great players, the semi finals can only be seen as a disappointment.
forgot that one: “Incidentally, my Italian friends had tears of joy in their eyes when they saw the lineup, so great was the fear of Klose/Reus – How can it be that foreign fans who don’t even know the Bundesliga very well semi-regularly die laughing when they see Loew’s lineup?” from a swiss forum poster on a german sports site – really nothing to add here.
Very angry with the loss because this was probably the best ever opportunity for Germany to break their Italian hoodoo.
I fully agree that Germany lost primarily due to Loew’s inept and reactive tactics. I felt he should have kept the Greece lineup and only change Schuerrle with the industrious Mueller (a true fighter unlike most of his colleagues)instead of the useless Podolski. Also Kroos as a direct replacement for Schweinsteiger. The unfit Schweini was terrible and a liability. Kroos was tested and tried in the central midfield and last season showed he is more than capable to hold his own ground and dictate play. With Klose, Reus and Mueller there will be so much movement and improve Ozil’s play. Finally this lineup is just so much more technically superior than having Gomez and Podolski and would have allowed Germany to keep long possession of the ball, thus neutralising Pirlo and putting pressure on the Italian defense.
Instead we have Gomez and Podolski, both of whom are limited and static so they are well frozen out by Italy’s defense, putting all the burden on an out-of-position Ozil (who has already looked quite gassed out in this tournament). With Gomez inferior link up play there is a tendency to send in cross after cross and concede possession cheaply.
Of course the goals were caused by poor defensive mistakes inexcusable at this level but for the whole match Germany played with little structure and much confusion. The players tried towards the very end but with no coherent system this was futile.
I am definitely not belittling Italy though. They were disciplined and played to what was required tactically. I would be supporting them in the final. IMO Italian football is the most tactically sophisticated – that makes up for the declining quality of players in Serie A in recent years (by this I mean a drying up of world class players. Generally though the Italians are still technically excellent as this tournament shows.) Italy often play to the level of their opponents but when they turn up as in big matches they fear no one, which is why they have such a proud record against Germany and Spain.
But the fact remains that Germany self-destructed and made themselves easy pickings for Prandelli and co. With Loew in helm Germany relies too much on individual talent – no honours for this golden generation I am afraid.
The diamond is just a new example of a tactic that shakes up the 4-2-3-1 and the 4-3-3. All formations have weaknesses, but the diamond challenges the midfield domination of the latter formations, for the expense of being exposed wide.
Spain have excellent full-backs, so it will be interesting to see what Prandelli does. The midfield is likely to resemble a tube station at rush hour, so Spain’s full backs could be key.
3-5-2 would be a good change, because Spain’s full-backs would worry about being exposed in the opposite direction. But since the diamond is working so well, it is a tricky beast for Prandelli.
I heartily agree with RAHUL KHOND, with some exceptions.
1. TACTICS
Löw had the right thing in mind, but chose the wrong players for it. His strategy was clearly to shut down the creative part of the Italian center, namely Pirlo, and to attack down the flanks with crosses to Gomez. This strategy needs two things to work: (1) a capable defensive player to tank Pirlo and (2) capable full-backs that provide excellent crosses. Toni Kroos is the entirely wrong choice for task 1 as he is neither a good defender or marker nor a person to disrupt the enemy’s game by thinking ahead. His strength lies in connecting defense and offense and serving the ball for shots on goal. Germany also has no capable players for task 2. Boateng is exceptionally bad at crosses and Lahm has not shown any remarkable skills in that regard either. Therefore, Germany has developed a short-pass intensive game that is able to outwit the enemy and does not rely on crosses to a tanky forward like Gomez. Ultimately, therefore the tactics of Löw failed – not because it was actually bad, but because it was bad considering the squad at his hand.
It was also a bad idea to change the tactics entirely to another one that wasn’t trained well and does not fit the squad. Löw should have taken Khedira for marking Pirlo, as Khedira is a stamina machine, a brilliant defensive player and can also boost offense at times. He would have been further up the pitch than usual, but I would guess that is nothing to be worried about looking at Khedira’s remarkable skills. Furthermore, choosing that approach would have meant that Pirlo was out of the game. I do not know why Löw did not take that approach and change his team like that.
Altogether, Germany should have sticked to their guns and chosen their usual 4-2-3-1 with steady passing and fast vertical combinations again. Sure, crosses are a decent strategy against Italy, but if you do not have the right team for it, why not use its abilities and let em play like they used to (and quite well so).
2. CHOICE OF PLAYERS
While the choice of Kroos was not really wise, choosing Gomez was somewhat understandable from looking at Löw’s plan for the game. Choosing Podolski was entirely due to his experience. There cannot be any other reason, because Podolski is shambolic at crosses, too. He does not excel at defending either, so there is no other justification than his previous appearances. Reus or Schürrle would have been the natural switches for him, but again none of them good at crosses.
Hence choosing Reus and Klose to boost combinations and a witty offense would have been the better path. Italy has quite strong defenders, but they have been seen to fail not only at well-timed crosses, but in situations where the opposition tore them apart fast. If Spain manages to utilize its excellent and fast-paced passing known from EC2008 and WC2010, Italy will have a hard time defending. Otherwise, it will suffer like Germany. Back to this game – I think the following set would have been much more appropriate:
————-KLOSE————–
–REUS–KHEDIRA–ÖZIL–MÜLLER—
———-BENDER—————-
-LAHM-BADSTUBER-HUMMELS-BOATENG-
———–NEUER—————-
Schweinsteiger has shown that he is not fit and does not help the German team. In fact, his bad passing diminished German self esteem and destroyed the usual pace and strength of the German side. That was already visible in the group games, but very obvious in the game against Greece. Löw should have taken him off in that game and chosen Bender instead, who is fit and capable of doing a very defensive job.
3. THE GAME ITSELF
Considering the disadvantages brought upon Germany, it did quite well at the beginning of each half, obviously enjoying a mental recharge in the team room. As it failed to score early, soon Italy took over and used the deficits of the German line-up and formation to cut through it.
Still, Italy would not have been able to score if it wasn’t for individual mistakes by the German defense. Hummels made a breathtakingly wrong choice leading to goal #1 and I am very sure he will regret that rookie move for his entire life. The German side obviously did not except Italy to score a goal, especially not after 20 minutes in. They were shocked to be so vulnerable and to see the Italian side so relentless and switched to a reactive game full of hesitation, very much unlike its previous appearances. Outstanding in that regard was again Schweinsteiger who often kept the ball for 5 seconds straight without passing to a better positioned mate, leaving plenty of time for the Italians to regain their defensive formation, disrupting any chances for a vertical breakthrough.
Goal #2 came unexpected as well and again was a rookie mistake of the German defense. Lahm forgot his brains momentarily and nullified the offside attempted by the CBs. However, you also have to blame them for leaving too much space for Balotelli at that time (and numerous other times as well). That scandalous guy plays for ManCity for a reason, so they should have been warned. Neuer again stood no chance against the well-placed shot.
The Germans came back well in the second half, but then continued to play a game based on crosses – which failed because there is nobody in the squad that can play decent crosses. I do not know why they failed to recognize that lack of accuracy and switch to their usual approach, maybe even out of despair. They seemed too sure that crosses would work eventually, which is plain stupid in my opinion.
4. CONCLUSION
Conclusively, the Italians deserved the win because they kept their usual style and played an all-around awesome match. Barzagli did an unexpectedly good job, Pirlo was creative and precise as usual, but Montolivo deserves the most credit for this match. He was the guy, together with Marchisio at times, who effectively disrupted the German build-up, destroyed any impact of Schweinsteiger, kept Khedira quite busy and closed any paths for the German vertical through-balls.
Löw made some mistakes with his line-up and his tactics beforehand, but ultimately the result came down to individual mistakes. However, at such a high level, small things decide the game, and the drawbacks mentioned amount to a fairly huge disadvantage from the start. Therefore, I would blame it partly on Löw, too, for choosing the wrong strategy and the wrong players for it, but the German players’ naivety or inability to use their skills in dire situations (maybe too inexperienced?) finally made the difference. Italy just had to play their usual game to win that one.
i dont know what you agree but still accept your heart .
————-KLOSE————–
–REUS–KHEDIRA–ÖZIL–MÜLLER—
———-BENDER—————-
-LAHM-BADSTUBER-HUMMELS-BOATENG-
———–NEUER—————-
this was the formation you suggested i would had made a slight change .and here it is
————-KLOSE————–
–REUS–kroos –kross–MÜLLER—
———- kahdeira —————-
-LAHM-BADSTUBER-HUMMELS-BOATENG-
———–NEUER—————-
now what changes is kross gets a larger area to work with and you are right with mobile players like muller and reus who can make some good runs he can pick them up as he good at passing the ball .
most importantly everybody is talking about not picking pirlo but let me tell you it was not kroos fault or ozil’s fault not to pick him . may be low might not had told them to pick him . i dont know why may be he is too adamant and wanted to see as to how even without picking him they could outplay italy because if kroos or ozil were instructed to do so wouldnt they do that . you are right he acts as a linkage between defense and attack but he is good even at making killer passes for which i rate him better than ozil because he had shown exceptional vision in picking players . playing him just behind gomez limited his options and most importantly germans were playing too wide for my liking so again his original game is limited .he had only had gomez to choose who was guarded heavily and again germans playing deep limited his options to play any ball behind defense as the first goal came early and they became england ( but obviously better ) .
i agree choosing podolski was a mistake as he offers very little but credit should be given to balzeratti also who kept him quite . i bet arsene wenger was watching the game and after what he had seen he might start thinking as to whether he signed wrong player as he not even a good tiki -taka player.
so all and all low made mistakes in selection but also in the game plan and as i had written in my earlier post he needs combine those front five players nicely . when he corrected his game plan went out of air as he was two piece down .
the game clearly showed what the mainstream media stil resists to acknowledge:
boateng is simply a disgrace. his positioning is way beyond toplevel. but löw just doesnt drop him. in the offensive he offers equally low results.
against denmark we saw a fine young gun bender, at least bender couldnt haven been weaker than boateng. maybe because jerome is black?!
if you watch the goal germany conceded against greece, you can see, that boateng is in front of samaras, while running back to neuer, but ends up behind him with a sloppy attempt to get the ball. this is just ridiculous.
one really has to question the way löw and flick analyse the games.
we beat portugal with a lucky punch, we won against holland, who where simply out of form and weak. although in first 15 minutes holland had some real good chance and could have scored. even against denmark we had problems.
against greece we conceded a very poor goal.
germany is far away from top level with most of these players. gomez is not as good as it seems, in important games, he diasappears. just look at his 14 goals he scored in the CL. against which teams he scored.
another point is that löw did not give a chance to götze. he has huge potential and is good at one-on-ones. reus got his chance, why not götze? müller and podolski where very poor the whole tournament, even özil can be considered not as good as expected.
the german media said that we had maybe the best team in history, great players on the bench. but löw did hardly stick with them. a shame.
for me löw should quit, this is 4. time we did not achieve what was expected and this time we definetly should have.
this is the difference to spain, despite them not having the best tournamend of their last 2, they are in the final and only conceded 1 goal. very likely to defend the title.
all people where talking about puyol a major problem, their defence is weak – they showed us the opposite!
spot on!
Lots of words, lots of speculation, far less tactical insight.
Considering the German tactics, it seems to me more than unfair to blame it on Boateng who actually provided more decent crosses than anyone else in the German team. Was any of the full backs on the pitch more attacking-minded or committed less severe errors? Chiellini once let Boateng pass who served Podolski with a nice cross. Lahm’s positioning and reaction (not knowing whether to run or to head the ball, so he didn’t either) just before the second goal was outrageously bad. Etc.
Don’t misunderstand me, guys, Boateng is certainly no top full back, but it wasn’t him losing this game. He did OK, but was left alone on his flank. So he had to cover a lot of space all on his own, without having trained this at all. And this seems to me the crucial point. The coach making up a new idea, but without giving the players the chance to actually train for this. Which can easily backfire, especially if you have players playing out of their usual position.
(I leave it to every reader to judge the rest you said about him).
All this being said, I must say that I felt after the game ended that Germany had not been good at all. But not being sure about the reasons, I spent some time this morning, first watching the first 45 min again, and then over breakfast reading the Guardian minute by minute match report. Watching the match again made me wonder whether the inclusion of Kroos was actually that bad. To me it looked like it worked pretty well for a long time. Germany seemed to be the controlling team for most parts of the half-time, creating pressure, chances, etc. Italy actually looked quite shaky. Reading the live report confirmed that, and it was, I think, a valuable read, as it gave me the opportunity to see what the perception of the game was when one didn’t know yet the outcome of the match, while me watching it with this knowledge certainly should have impacted my perception.
But then – this was to me the disappointing aspect – the German team, after maybe 15 minute in the second half of good football, lost it. Gave up structure, technique, imagination.
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“Lots of words, lots of speculation, far less tactical insight.”
Well, hate to say this on the best tactics blog there is, but tactic is not all. By simply not playing the best players available and obviously stripping all self-consciousness off the team with the strange line-up and giving up all the strengths of the matches in qualification and to lesser extend in the group phase (which were quite lucky wins tbh) Löw actually has shown to be a bad “mind coach”, if you get what i mean. It was the same anaemic performance as in the final 2008 and the semi in 2010. I don’t know what he actually tells his players, but everytime there is a mental blockade.
“But then – this was to me the disappointing aspect – the German team, after maybe 15 minute in the second half of good football, lost it. Gave up structure, technique, imagination.” Rightly said, and if you watch Löw’s body language during large parts of the 1st and all of the 2nd half, that’s no wonder and makes me miss the explosiveness of Klinsmann (!) and someone like Klopp, who just burns the sideline during matches.
cheers
“and if you watch Löw’s body language during large parts of the 1st and all of the 2nd half”
I did, and I agree, he looked odd. Didn’t even try to get a handle on the deteriorating game. Looked helpless.
I think you critisise germany to much and forgot about Itali`s strenght. When you (or some others say before) say the italian goals came from easy german defence mistakes and ger started good with some chances you forgot about that the two previus scorring opportunities from ger came threw two buffon mistakes after a corner and a cross. Also before the second goal italy had two chances blowing away by simple don`t shot or taking to long on the ball so that the german could clear it. You mentionted right when you are saying germany had the wrong people for all the crosses they have made, but this was the only way they came threw the italian defence cause the middle was to tight althought kroos was playing there for germany too. So in my opinion i don`t see how germany would have solved this problem better caus schürrle and podolsky are for my equalize and ok they could have used your system but müller and reus would be started high up the pitch and they are in my opinion also more quick runners that need space before them. So i think germany failed because loew could not switch the german fast wonderfoul counter kill taktic from 2010 into a ballcontrol munich tactic. He simple has not the players for this style of game against other top national football teams.
Italy could only be as good as Germany admitted. Their midfield is quite strong, but imo usually lacks connection, with the exception of Pirlo’s wonderful precise passes. Sure, they are a force to reckon with, but I agree with the pre-match commentaries who said this could be the time when Germany first beats an Italian side in a tournament.
I also disagree on your other remarks. There are opportunities to score against Italy if you use players like Özil and Reus that come in from the flank and are able to pass quickly through the defensive lines with some mates (like Klose or Müller). There is no need for desperate crosses against an Italian squad that has displayed superiority in the air. The only cross that almost reached its target was the flat one that forced a mistake by Buffon. As I said, I would not have chosen Schürrle, but used Reus to move in from the left flank.
Germany has shown that they can play the “ballcontrol tactic” quite fine, especially in the Portugal match this EC. They still have to learn a lot and cope with their mental blockade at times and thus their missing willpower and of course they have to prevent making such huge mistakes that will kill your game against such an opponent.
At that commment above: I also was startled to see Löw sitting depressed on his bench during the game. That’s not how a coach should act. It may be his normal position, but seeing how he motivates the guys before the match and in the half-time break (they almost always play great the first few minutes of a half), he should have recognized that his team needs some motivation on the pitch and may also need some words of advice in between breaks.
You are right with the crosses. But i think you just hype the german “ballcontrol skills´´ too much and for me the portugal game is also a example for it. Portugal hit the post twice germany scored, this match could have end 0:0 1:1 cause the two teams equalize themself. Player`s like Müller (look at the german games wc2010 and why he struggles at munich) Reus (look how he plays at gladbach) Schürrle (the difference between Schürrle counter tactic Mainz and Leverkusen in Bundesliga) Podolski, maybe Gomez(Stuttgart time) have their strenght in passing the ball quick running extremly fast and well into open space. Özil is also the perfect target to set this player alive. But no, Germany have no Xavi, Silva, Iniesta or Busquets to copy the spain DNA. So for me, main tactic against germany is don`t give them space, press their ill links (Boateng playing rightback for example or player that ar not in form Schweinsteiger as an example) from time to time and otherwise let them play their munich short pass style cause you don`t have to worry that a player like ribery or the dutchman make something special.
Your opinion is that Italy could only be as goog as Germany admittes but i think this is a way to early (cause germany has a young squad and like you mentioned have to learn) and when you replay the game you will see that it was vice versa.
Mister Cox,is Italy at times playing a hybrid diamond/4222 system a la Santos in 2011 libertadores second leg or it is a pure diamond?
Similarities and differences?
Yeah – I did think of that comparison today actually. I think it’s a pure diamond, but the way the strikers drop back is quite similar.
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For all your analysis that is fine and dandy, once again you miss the important. Germany’s D was shit, Boateng is an awful FB and just decent as a CB Humenls and Bastuber are slow, the second also is technically limited. Lahm was a disaster, unusual. Italy’s second goal he breaks the offside line by a good 12-15 yards, what the hell was he doing there?. The midfield in Germany is not that good either, Swnie out of shape and form, half injured and though he distributes ok, he ain’t Xavi or Alonso. kroos is a hybrid between attacking and center mid but not playmaker and poor on D by himself as he played, Özil genious but irregular, and Podolski in poor form all season. The rest are all good attacking mids and wingers, result Germany was an overhyped team that had real trouble against Portugal and Denmark, Did just ok to beat a crumbling Holland, and beat a grrek side w/out his best player and no goal keeper in sight, while allowing 2 goals from one of the weakest teams in the competition which ties back to its weak defense line. End result, the first decent team they encountered in KO stage thumped them. Tactics were not determinating factors here, team composition and player skills were
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