Spain 4-0 Ireland: whitewash

The starting line-ups
The biggest win of Euro 2012 so far.
Vicente del Bosque made one change, leaving out Cesc Fabregas and playing with a proper striker – Fernando Torres started upfront.
Giovanni Trapattoni also made a single change upfront – Kevin Doyle dropped out, and Simon Cox started behind Robbie Keane.
Spain were clearly the better side here – so much so, that the tactical battle was almost non-existent. Ireland did well to get to half-time at only 0-1, but Spain wrapped the game up soon into the second half. Neither side did anything different or unusual tactically.
Opening stages
It was the usual from Ireland – two banks of four behind the ball, though now Cox was dropping back to become a fifth midfielder, and Keane stayed high up the pitch, drifting towards the left and testing the Spanish offside line.
Ireland shot themselves in the foot by conceding another early goal, so it was difficult to get a fair impression of how they would have coped for long periods against a Spanish team needing to score.
Stephen Ward and John O’Shea tucked in and stayed very narrow, which often frustrated Spain when they tried to play through the back four. There was again little width high up the pitch from del Bosque’s side, although both Jordi Alba and Alvaro Arbeloa were more attack-minded than against Italy, enjoying the space out wide when Damien Duff and Aiden McGeady got sucked into the midfield battle.
1-0
After going behind to Torres’ goal, Ireland coped reasonably well defensively. Their problem was with the ball – no-one expected them to even compete in terms of possession, but they really struggled with Spain’s pressing high up the pitch, often getting caught in possession within their own third.
This was where Spain’s narrowness does work quite well – Spain didn’t press the entire Irish defence at the same time, but generally focused it on one area of the pitch. For example, if O’Shea had the ball, Spain would shut out all the passing options close to him, all moving towards one side of the pitch. A better technical team than Ireland would have transferred the ball quickly to the opposite flank and countered, but the Irish defenders didn’t even see this option, and often hoofed the ball forward hopefully.

But Spain were in their comfort zone far too early, playing possession football with little penetration, and for the final 20 minutes of the first half, Ireland rarely looked like conceding a second. There were more clever runs from the Spanish attacking midfielders, with David Silva moving into some good positions, but because Ireland defended so deep, the through-ball had to be incredibly precise, and was particularly difficult because of the narrowness of the Irish back four.
Second half
Trapattoni had decisions to make at half-time, and his lone change – Jon Walters on for Cox – was quite unambitious, giving Ireland no extra attacking intent. It’s difficult to fault his general approach, though – if Ireland had attacked at the start of the second half and scored early, one got the feeling that Spain would be able to step it up and win the game. Trapattoni’s best bet was to continue playing defensively, to hope that Spain maintained playing without any penetration, and then attack later on in the second half, when a goal would be more decisive.
But, for the fourth half running, Ireland conceded a goal within the first four minutes. Silva poked the ball in, and at 2-0 Spain had won the game.
Substitutions
The rest of the game was something of a training exercise for Spain. Torres scored another goal after Ireland again failed to deal with the pressing, before being replaced by Fabregas, who later scored his second goal of the tournament. Javi Martinez replaced Xabi Alonso, who had performed very well but was on a yellow card, while Santi Cazorla got some deserved playing time in place of Andres Iniesta, another star performer.
Trapattoni finally introduced James McClean on the flank, but at 3-0 down and with no chance of the Sunderland winger influencing the game. Paul Green got a late run-out, but things were barely relevant at this stage.
Spanish passing
It’s also worth pointing out how dominant Spain were with their passing. They completed more passes than any side has in a single game in European Championship history, while Xavi took the same record for an individual player. The difference in passing between the two sides was not unexpected, but still extraordinary.


Conclusion
Trapattoni’s approach will be questioned, but his overall strategy made sense – Ireland sat back and tried to deal with Spanish pressure, but individual mistakes let them down. That will be hugely frustrating for Trapattoni, especially as the same thing happened against Croatia. That opening match, rather than this defeat to Spain, was their downfall.
Spain were again frustrating, packing the centre of the pitch and appearing complacent at 1-0. They were always likely to win the game from that position, but their defence simply isn’t as strong as two years ago – they can’t afford to rely upon a clean sheet, and allowed Ireland a couple of half-chances at 1-0. In fairness, they played quicker passes and provided more incisive balls after half-time, and played some excellent football.
Del Bosque’s side looked better with one fewer playmaker and a proper striker upfront. Torres simply gave them a different option, bringing variety to their attack and natural centre-forward runs in behind the defence. It still makes sense for Spain to use a player who offers width, in order to stretch the play, but del Bosque wants to dominate possession heavily in the first half, then attack more relentlessly once the opposition have tired.




i’m still not sure if busquets and alonso can play together.
They can because Spain have so much of the ball, but I feel exactly the same way. As they are effectively the same player (just one being tougher than the other one). Biscuits is more comfortable dropping back alongside/infront of the 2 central defenders, while Alonso is at his best and is use to having a runner alongside him in the midfield. Like Holland they dont really need the extra DM, but it is what it is
I forgot to put.
I can see why Del Bosque includes both tho. Biscuits for his height at set pieces (if a team is lucky to even get one against Spain) and Alonso gives the midfield a bit of bite with his willingness to put his foot in
I wouldn’t quite say their effectively the same player. Alonso is a deep lying playmaker, a quarterback. He sprays lovely 50 yard passes. Busquets plays the same area, obviously as a holding midfielder, but I wouldn’t say Busquets is a quarterback like player. He’s much more of a one touch man, very good in tight spaces. He’s also a far more intelligent player.
He was up against a poor Irish side who were miles behind in technical quality, but I thought Alonso was very good tonight until he got taken off, one of his best performances I’ve seen from him recently, as I think he’s been average recently.
Still think they should play the Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta trio centrally though, and Alonso pretty much stops that from happening.
Not a big fan of Iniesta on the left, he tends to stay too wide, but tonight he was drifting centrally all the time with Alba pressing the space he vacated, and as usual Iniesta was just incredibly good.
They still DM’s who sit front of the back 2/4 that was my point. Biscuits is a taller modern day David Batty without the Yorkshire grit. while Alonso is a more grizzy tougher Pirlo
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its safer to play both, especially considering that Spain’s defence is weaker than before.
Who cares if *you’re* sure. They won the world cup playing together. Case closed.
‘Starting line-ups’. Very droll!
Fantastic performance from Spain a team every other team should aspire to be. So dominant and efficient yet eye-catching at the same time. This is the football of the future in action. The rain also hepled Spain here massively, teams arent going to agree to have the pitch wet so they’re relying on the weather to aid there fantastic style of play.
Football of the future will hopefully involve both sides performing like this – tonight was really just a little painful to watch.
its not possible for both sides to perform like this – only one can.
Interesting. I have often thought that as much as we’re pushing and encouraging tika taka it only seems to be so dominant because every other team is so technically inferior. So im not sure how well it works if Barca would play Barca for instance. Im not sure what that would look like, whether it would be good to watch, or what it would mean.
Here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx-vO84DoAI
in fairness auld richard dunne has a great hoof on him and sure isn’t he a great bunch of lads
I know I’m not the first to say this, but either Busquets or Alonso (probably the latter) need to be sacrificed in order for Spain to be more efficient….not only would that provide them the opportunity to play someone who provides more width (navas, cazorla, etc.), but perhaps more importantly, it moves iniesta back into the midfield, where he is substantially more threatening with his well timed runs and surges forward. Iniesta, as brilliant a player as he is, is simply not very effective playing out on the left, as he showed numerous times for Barca this year when Pep tried to force him there to create a spot in the lineup for fabregas. Del Bosque is falling into the same trap here, perhaps in an effort to be politically correct in his inclusion of both a Barcelona and Real midfielder. A quality defensive side like Italy will benefit from Iniesta being wasted on the flank
I agree. I was thinking, what happens when Villa returns? Silva has made his place his own, so if they were to return to their 4-2-3-1 at the World Cup I think Alonso would have to be sacrificed – Alonso and Xavi would just be too offensive for a holding midfield.
I don’t think returning to their WC formation would be a good idea. Yes, they won it, but Spain weren’t at their brilliant best. They grind out 4 consecutive 1:0 results and they relied on their backline which is weaker now than it was 2 years ago.
When Villa returns I’d play him as the centre forward in a 4-3-3, with a barca midfield three, silva on the right and anyone providing width on the left.
Torres would be the sacrifice when Villa returns. Unless Torres scores a lot more over the next few games.
It’d be weird to have Spain’s selection problem. Abundance of playmakers, not many strikers of significance.
I think Busquets should be the guy to go for Navas, especially when spain need to chase a game. Navas gives Spain some kind of width which is so desperately missing at the moment, despite the face that Busquets is a great player. Busquets is there for defensive cover to get back quick since Alonso doesnt have Busquets speed or positional awareness.
Alonso is a better passer, but not as quick or as good defensively I think. Spain need the width more than another DM most of the time.
Ireland were pretty poor though. Croatia should be an interesting game
Villa will turn 33 in 2014 and he is coming off a tricky injury sustained quite late in his career. Although I didn’t think he would make the Euros, most people did expect him to be at least in light training by May, which means his recovery was not good. As lethal as he is, he is not specially strong or pacey and his game will drop significantly if he loses the ability to get a quick extra yard on defenders. Also, people forget he was having a mediocre season before going down, although that can be attributed partly to the injury which then developed into the broken leg.
All of this is to say, Villa may not return, at least not in the form we are used to seeing him in. After how to replace Xavi (who will be 34 in the next WC and by now has a chronic injury in his calf), what to do with Villa is the greatest question mark for Spain going forward.
Oh and also – with the passing statistics. Several times a couple (or maybe three) players would just side-foot the ball back and forth 4-5 times when they were just a couple of metres apart. Surely this just corrupts any real use of passing statistics. I’m not suggesting it’s a bad thing or bad tactics, just how it impacts on this measure.
If I was Ireland, I’d be tempted to just get a few players together in their last (and meaningless) match and just ping the ball back and forth as much as possible – they’d smash the record for most passes in a single game!
Not at all. Spain play those passes when being pressed, and in tight spaces, it’s harder than you think, the players they have just make it look easy because their so technically good.
Ireland players would never be able to do the stuff that Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets do. I don’t know if I’m reacting too seriously to the post, but if a team with Whelan and Andrews in midfield can break a passing record then I’ll never watch football again.
They were under little or no pressure much of the time. In fact, Ireland (and many teams playing them) didn’t bother pressing until they were nearly in sight of the Ireland goal. I guess I have to repeat myself and say I’m not suggesting it’s a bad thing or bad tactics.
Those short passes are there to make the defence “feel” safe and nullify pressing. They only want to pass forward where they have a good chance to make a succesfull pass. Also, since the opponent in his mind knows he cannot get to the ball, the pressing is less and the players have more time to play those passes.
if you’re not as good a passer and not as good in possession, you’ll get the ball stolen at a bad moment ff you try to spain it up at the back. it might work for a few passes, but you’ll be pressed and forced to find another option much before you break any sort of record.
There are several things accomplished by moving the ball quickly between 2-3 players without much change of position.
First, it’s a rhythm thing. It keeps the players fresh, involved, and tuned into each other.
Second, it’s resting with the ball. Spain is the most intelligent team in terms of risk. It rarely throws the ball forward when/where there is no clear advantage to do so (as opposed to the philosophy that any ball in the final third is better than holding the ball in the back or mid, regardless of its chances of getting to a teammate). So they are simply taking their foot off the accelerator, waiting for teammates to start dragging the opponent shape around.
Third, it’s like a rattler waiting to strike, except it has 2-3 heads instead of just one. The players are really playing as one “expanded player.” If an opponent starts pressing with less numbers, the free players can now move into attack. Or if one of the players spots an opening, they can take off in a run. The advantage is the opponent doesn’t know which player it’s going to be.
I truely believe that alot of the non penetrative passing that creeps into the Spanish play is purely to allow offensive and defensive options to reset and find the necessary space between the lines. It also allows WB’s to make manageable movements instead of the energy sapping bursts. Busquets sits infront or drops into form a back three. Xabi Alonso then shifts the point of attack with a diagonal ball to full back option.
Same with Barcelona, build up in the left hand channel, waiting for Dani Alves to make a perfectly timed run in behind the opposition full back or winger (due to their dominance). I would much prefer Navas providing this for Spain; Xavi, Silva, Iniesta in the same pocket don’t quite manage to match Messi’s brilliance.
Really good performance, passing as impressive as always, thought Torres had a good game, as well as Silva and Iniesta.
Interesting to note, i think it would be better if one of Busquets or Alonso was dropped, and i actually think Alonso is useful to this team, whilst other players offer short passes continuously, Alonso offers long passes to stretch out the play to the wings, this adds just that little extra dimension which unfortunately doesn’t get utilised enough. Certainly Alonso sprays the ball around more then any other Spanish player. Could both be fielded? Yes .. Busquets at CB with Pique and Ramos moves to RB, will see Arbeloa dropped. Ramos much better at attacking the wings then Arbeloa and more comfortable with the ball.
Casillas
Ramos:Busquets:Pique:Alba
Xavi:Alonso:Iniesta
Silva:Torres:Pedro
Would love to see Pedro more involved, an intelligent player who can link the play as well as hang on the defenders shoulders and can provide those diagonal movements/runs across an opposing backline. Underrated he is.
Busquets is not a great centre back. He struggles with explosive movements and direct running, see how easily Pirlo eased past him the other day? Why play him out of position where he’s not as comfortable against some of Europe’s finest? I’m not Arbeloa’s biggest fan, but I’d keep him at right back, he’s a solid defender, provides some balance to the team. If only Spain could have two Sergio Ramos!
Agree about Pedro though, he’s one of the most underated in the world in my opinion. Spain can play all the lovely stuff for ages, tiki taka, back and forth, then BANG 1-0 and Pedro will have got the goal. He provides width, he’s one of the best pressers from the front in world football, and he’s a goal threat, and he’s a very good big game player as well, has scored in all kinds of big games.
I see what you mean in regards to Busquets, indeed its a shame they dont have another Ramos type player!
Agree with all comments about Pedro, the width he provides is crucial to a team who mainly focus their passing centrally almost all the time.
Totally forgot about Fabregas too, and Mata, more and more options, so much quality in this squad. Ridiculous!
Cazorla, Navas and Javi Martinez are all good players as well! The quality they have at their disposal is just incredible.
Spain’s second string eleven would be genuine challengers at the Euros
Pedro in form would be lethal yes, but he lacks form and has hardly played this season, so that would be a risky option. He and Villa are essential for Barca providing width and also creating danger from there. So even at the club level you can say Barca was lacking width through the lack of both of them, that kind of “forced” them to play with Alves as wingback, kind of the same thing that Spain did with Arbeloa. Arbeloa unfortunatetly for Spain is not really and offensive threat unlike Alves and this probably is the only real weakness they have.
While in possession I think Busquets can effectively play some kind of center back, he does so in Barcelona a lot with Puyol and and Pique moving out wide. But that is an in game move and nothing to do permanently. Anyway his positioning is superb, so i might be an option to think about.
One question: Ramos play CB most of the season and even before that Mourinho hardly gave him license to go forward as FB, might it be that even if he wasnt needed in the center, he is not used to play that offensive anymore?
Mourinho likes his full backs to stay a little deeper so Ramos forward surges were curtailed.
The real problem for Spain at right back is the loss of Andonia Iraola. He is arguably the best Spanish right back in La Liga.
He can defend like Arbeloa but he can also attack.
The reserve in the squad is Juanfran. Suspect defensively although he is decent going forward. He could maybe have started against ireland given how defensive they were going to be.
http://chalkontheboots.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/spain-vs-ireland-tactical-analysis/
Also, something that was tried in training was playing Pedro as a RB.
Would be a good option at the end of a match.
It’s a real pity Iraola got injured.
Ireland were poor, Spain were very good.
Can’t take too much from the game, it’s just simple, the standard of the Irish players; Ward was relegated with Wolves, Whelan is poor, Andrews spent some of this season on loan at Ipswich Town, and has been deemed not good enough for West Brom, Cox made only 7 starts for West Brom and has played lower division football nearly his whole career. How can you expect players like that to deal with the likes of Xavi and Iniesta? Even if you play ultra defensively, you’ve still got to have players that are good enough, Ireland are levels below the Spanish in pretty much every department, and are probably the worst team I’ve ever seen at a Euro’s.
Spain still had to do a job though, and they did, fantastically. Ramos and Pique is a solid partnership, Ireland’s pretty much only threat comes from Keane, despite being in the MLS, he’s still a good player, and the ease at which Pique and Ramos dealt with him was good. Alba was very good at left back, pressed into the space that Iniesta was leaving very well, got forward very well and showed a complete class difference between him and McGeady. Arbeloa produced the best attacking display I’ve ever seen from him. He’s a solid defender, but tonight he provided good width, and was regularly getting into the opposition box. He’s got the work rate to get up and down, and when he got in the Irish half, he was decent, if he can start attacking like this more regularly it’d be very good for Spain.
Don’t need to comment too much on the midfield, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva just did what we know they can do, and did it very well, Irish were chasing shadows all night, and one of the best performances I’ve seen from Alonso in a while, and confidence boost for Torres who I thought looked sharp. The movement in behind that Spain need, bit of penetration, and he took both goals well.
The only debate that remains for Spain still remains on do you play Alonso and Busquets together. I think it’s a pretty much non debate now, because they always are going to play together, and can it really be criticised, they won the World Cup with that partnership. They always dominate possession with the partnership, and you’ve got the combined skill set, Busquets is an awesome one touch player, great in tight spaces, not as good at the long ball penetrative passing, but that’s where Alonso comes in. I’d personally like to see the Bus-Xavi-Iniesta trio centrally, but probably got to accept it’s not going to happen.
Can see a Germany v Spain final.
Don’t think Arbeola was good in going forward. If I can recall properly, Xavi repeatedly shouted at him to pass the ball quicker (In the last match as well). I would like to see Juanfran Torres starting.
Latvia from 2004 have something to say to you about being the worst team to ever qualify for a finals
It’s a joke right? Latvia had a draw vs Germany, and lost with minimal goal margin to Czech Republic in group stage. And Ireland is demolished every game. So what u compare here?
Not only that, Latvia had two clear penalties denied against Germany that were not given.
I still prefer Luis Aragonés’ side. But maybe it is just me!
Personally I cannot see the point of playing Alonso and Xavi in the same side. I don’t think Xavi suits being so high up the pitch like a “number 10″.
But it seems that they will try to pass the opposition to death as in the last World Cup.
Xavi does not have Alonso’s defensive abilities. And with the current back line Spain might just need to play two DMs.
Offensive wise, Xavi is the prime playmaker, controls the tempo and mainly passes short. But Alonso provides the occasional long passes (mainly to the flanks) and long shots. And then there is Busquets who plays closest to the back line, playing neat, quick one-touch passes.
From what I have seen last night, the midfield trio of Xavi, Alonso and Busquets can work given that Spain has their attacking unit issues – width and verticality – sorted out.
Well said.
VdB should drop Arbeloa for Pedro. Ok, Pedro never played rightback so far. But Arbeloa is such a bad player that no team feels obliged defending him or his runs…
The media reported last week that VdB tested Pedro in the same number ‘2′ position during training so its something we might see as an offensive change during a game if needed.
Pedro was training at left-back, I think as an emergency sub for Jordi Alba. It’d be extremely unexpected to see Pedro chosen ahead of Arbeloa if he’s fit.
You could see that after being so used to defending deep Ireland couldn’t press to save their lives when they needed the ball. The way they chased the ball in ones and twos was comical.
The debate about the False 9 will rage on and I believe it is still their best option, although it seemed like Silva took this role on for parts of the game, leaving Torres to run the channels either side of him. I still believe Torres would be best suited coming off the bench once a team is chasing a game and tired from getting the run-around.
http://noeasyfootballblogsatthislevel.blogspot.co.uk/
You advise dropping a solid defender for someone who’s never played right back in his life, at the European Championships?! In a game where if Spain lose, they will probably go out? Interesting.
And if no one tracks his runs, surely that’s better, he’s more likely to do something dangerous if he’s not being marked? Arbeloa’s attacking display tonight was probably the best I’ve ever seen from him. Provided width, got into dangerous positions, got up and down well all game.
Obviously this was a complete mismatch in terms of player quality but you’ve let Trapattoni off VERY lightly here.
You say “it’s difficult to fault his general approach” and this is fair in terms of the overall strategy (defend narrow and deep) but surely any tactical analysis needs to question the players used in a system as well as the system itself.
a)The passing stats of Dunne and O’Shea are typical of Ireland’s defenders over the last four years. They don’t really show Spain’s dominance or succesful pressing. Had Spain sat deep, Ireland would still have launched the ball forward like this.
b) Trapattoni is clearly comfortable with this style of play and surely he could have expected Ireland to be relying even more on direct football tonight. Therefore the decsion to start Keane and Cox upfront (both slow and small) borders on idiotic. If the gameplan was to soak up pressure and then counter with direct balls forward, why omit Long (who is fast and may have some success in the channels or offer a threat in behind) , Walters (who came on at half time – Trapattoni effectively acknowledging his mistake) or Doyle?
While its easy to say it would have made no difference because Spain were dominating regardless, the forward selection effectively guaranteed Ireland 0% chance of an outball against Spanish pressure.
I don’t think there’s much difference between Doyle, Walters, Long and Cox, to be honest. They’re different types of players, but Doyle did little in the first game and was removed, Walters did nothing after half-time here, Long…well, he might have been a better option than, Cox, I suppose.
Doyle won a free kick after challenging in the air agianst Corluka that is likely to provide the only goal of Ireland’s tournament.
Although there’s not a big difference in terms of quality, there is a difference in terms of styles.
-Doyle will chase lost causes and ‘put himself about’. His selection could be justified in this game as Ireland’s strikers were always likely to be relying upon lost causes.
-Walters is similar – just stronger but less mobile
- Long is fast and works very hard. He’s also good in the air. His selection could be justified with his ability to stretch play with his pace and get on the end of the inevitably inaccurate hoofs forward. He also scored more in the PL this year than any of the other strikers.
-Keane is a completely different player. He is slow and offers no physical presence and so he needs the ball to feet to impact a game. He was never likely to get much ball tonight Against Croatia, he didn’t touch the ball (apart from tip-off) until the 19th minute!! His selection can only be justified by the goals he’s scored for Ireland (though none in the last 6) and the fact that he’s captain.
Trapattoni was clearly never going to drop Keane but to partner him with Cox, a player who’s effectively a worse version of him (7 starts for WBA this season, 0 goals) is poor.
Ireland committed to playing long ball football but without players who can execute it effectively
Come on ZM!
There’s not much difference in quality but they’re very different types of players and that’s what’s important from a tactical standpoint.
-Walters and Doyle are both target men. They will chase lost causes and ‘put themselves about’. Walters is probably the stronger physically although also less mobile. The rationale for selecting them against Spain is obvious as all the Irish attack was likely to have to go on was “lost causes”.
-Long is very fast and a hard worker. He also scored the most EPL goals of any of the Irish strikers this season. His selection could have been justified by his ability to stretch play or get on the end of the inevitably inaccurate Irish hoofs forward.
-Keane is completely different. He doesn’t run around much nor is he going to hold the ball up or win headers. He is also slow and unable to offer any threat in behind these days. To affect a game, he needs the ball to feet and he was never likely to get this tonight. As captain, he didn’t touch the ball vs Croatia until the 19th minute (excluding tip off). If his selection is to be justified against Spain, it would be on the basis of his captaincy or his goal record for Ireland. His inclusion is more an intuitive, “anti-tactical” decision because tactically speaking, a player like Keane is not designed for this game.
-To partner him a similar player like Cox however, was just absurd. Trapattoni spoke during the week of ‘doing a Chelsea.’ Chelsea however had a clear method of how they could relieve pressure. They had the pace of Ramires in behind from the right and the physical presence of Drogba. One of pace or physical strength is necessary upfront if passing through midfield is not an option. Ireland had neither of these. This meant that the game was over after 4 minutes. Ireland didn’t even have a real incentive to keep it tight at 1-0 and hope for a miracle as rather than have a 1% chance of nicking a goal, they had a 0% chance.
There’s not much difference in quality but they’re very different types of player. That’s what’s important from a tactical standpoint.
-Walters and Doyle are both target men. They will chase lost causes and ‘put themselves about’. Walters is probably the stronger physically although also less mobile. The rationale for selecting them against Spain is obvious as all the Irish attack was likely to have to go on was “lost causes”.
-Long is very fast and a hard worker. He also scored the most EPL goals of any of the Irish strikers this season. His selection could have been justified by his ability to stretch play or get on the end of the inevitably inaccurate Irish hoofs forward.
-Keane is completely different. He doesn’t run around much nor is he going to hold the ball up or win headers. He is also slow and unable to offer any threat in behind these days. To affect a game, he needs the ball to feet and he was never likely to get this tonight. As captain, he didn’t touch the ball vs Croatia until the 19th minute (excluding tip off). If his selection is to be justified against Spain, it would be on the basis of his captaincy or his goal record for Ireland. His inclusion is more an intuitive, “anti-tactical” decision because tactically speaking, a player like Keane is not designed for this game.
-To partner him a similar player like Cox however, was just absurd. Trapattoni spoke during the week of ‘doing a Chelsea.’ Chelsea however had a clear method of how they could relieve pressure. They had the pace of Ramires in behind from the right and the physical presence of Drogba. One of pace or physical strength is necessary upfront if passing through midfield is not an option. Ireland had neither of these. This meant that the game was over after 4 minutes. Ireland didn’t even have a real incentive to keep it tight at 1-0 and hope for a miracle.
How about Gibson as a superior CM option to either Whelan or Andrews?? Gibson was deemed good enough to feature in this role on multiple occasions for Man Utd and yet is not deemed good enough to play in an atrocious Ireland team? (not saying he’s a great player of course but when you are as bad as Ireland degrees matter. From what i’ve seen of him he is a comfortably superior possession footballer than the two aforementioned)
Trapattoni can’t be blamed.Irish players are just this type of players “lumberjacks”.
Sorry for the double posts there I didn’t quite understand how the moderation queue works!
I’m not really convinced by Gibson to be honest – the improvement he’d offer over Andrews / Whelan would be fairly marginal. The decision to bring on Green for Whelan however (I know the game was dead at this point) did look like a calculated insult to Whelan (Green is an unattatched 29 year old to whom Trapattoni gave his debut)
Calling Irish players “lumberjacks” is a lazy defence of Trapattoni. He’s a manager who has achieved alot in his career when working with top quality players but hasn’t really been successful overachieving with an underdog team before. His last job was with Red Bull Salzburg, which perhaps shows the direction in whihc his career was heading. If he is a top manager, he presumeably knows that the Irish team is made up of “lumberjacks”. He should then have picked players suited to this “lumberjack” style of play, especially against Spain who are a small team.
The problem with Trapattoni is that he is quite old.He is not that Trappatoni that he used to be in late 80’s and early 90’s.
Yes exactly he’s far from the manager he used to be. The Irish squad may be fairly poor but the reason Trapattoni is the 2nd highest paid international coach in europe (after Hodgson) is to make Ireland perform better than the sum of their parts. Trapattoni hasn’t really made Ireland do that.
Any man on the street could have picked eleven random players in a 442 formation and told them to try their best against Spain.
In a near identical situation in the world Cup, Honduras lost 1-0 while making the game somewhat competitive and keeping their dignity. A gulf in class does not necessarily lead to a whitewash. Many mistakes were made
I know the gulf in class frankly sadistic but you’ve let Trapattoni off very lightly here Zonalmarking.
You say that “it’s difficult to fault his general approach” but while the decision to sit deep and narrow is obvious, the tactical thinking behind the choice of personnel can surely be questioned.
Firstly, it should be noted that the passing stats of Dunne and O’Shea are not atypical for Ireland. Ireland have played the exact same way in matches where they’re the superior side and the oppostion sits back.
Therefore, the fact that Ireland’s defenders repeatedly hoofed the ball forward against Spain can’t have suprised Trapattoni. Why, then, start Keane and Cox uprfront? Both are slow and small and were consistently outjumped by Ramos and Pique in aereal duels and neither were able to offer any threat in behind or down the channels. Ireland were always going to be relying on long punts forward as their only attempts to counter so the decision to leave out Long (fast, good in the air) and Walters (plays for Stoke! – came on at HT as Trapattoni acknoweldged his mistake) or Doyle (whose challenging for long balls against Corluka lead to Ireland’s only joy in the last game vs Croatia) is baffling.
An incident just before half time showed this. Ireland, in a rare foray forward secured a throw in deep in spanish territory. Keane tryed to hold the ball up but was outmuscled and Spain broke, resulting in a Whelan yellow card. Ireland , tonight even more than most nights, committed to a ‘muscular’ style but played players completely unsuited to this style.
Its easy to say it would have made no difference but with Keane and Cox upfront, Trapattoni guaranteed that Ireland’s technically deficient back 4 would have absolutely no outball tonight and therefore removed what small chance remained of Ireland grabbing a goal after conceding early.
Completely agree with this.
The inclusion of Cox alongside Keane was bizarre. It wouldn’t have made much difference to the end result but I really don’t understand this decision. I don’t get why Cox was brought on for McGeady in the Croatia game either.
Also, whilst one can understand Trap’s commitment to the system and players that got Ireland to the tournament, one wonders if the likes of Coleman, Hoolahan and McCarthy might have provided more options. It’s good to have a settled team and way of playing that all the players understand but perhaps more variety should be added over the next qualification campaign.
I won’t watch a game if I expect it to be no contest. This doesn’t sound to have been a contest at all.
A sampling of comments on Torres from the previous match breakdown:
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Very sad. He look like a guy in a movie who lost memory but not his instinct. he knows where he should go , he knows where the ball will come, he knows how to play the ball but he doesn’t know how and why he knows it.
At what point does bad form translate into permanent decline?
But to say Torres must start is rather naive and stupid. He would have simply missed 30 more chances. Pedro, Llorente, even Muniain would probably do better.
It’s not Italy’s fault that Torres is so bad.
Torres proved the need for a CF, as he immediately destabilized Italy after coming on. He also proved that he isn’t that CF. Llorente should definitely start from now.
BTW Torres is a joke
In my opinion Del Bosque lost this game for Spain. I understand valuing loyalty but at what cost? Torres shouldn’t be anywhere near that field
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Clairvoyant, these are.
He scored against Ireland, not Italy, buddy. The whole point is those comments were a response to past events, and all the derision aimed at Torres’ finishing in that match was well deserved. Torres will probably have more good games and bad games in this tournament and in his career. Which ones come more often and with greater consistency will determine how most remember this time.
You got a typo in “But, for the fourth half running, Ireland conceded a goal within the first four minutes”. You certainly meant “the second half”
First half against Croatia, second half against Croatia, first half against Spain, second half against Spain == four
ooops, now I got it! My bad
Gotta love the spanish passing diagram.
Looks like a child has gone crazy with a blue crayon.
The point you make about Del bosque focusing on tiring the opposition is a good one and this is why Spain will be so hard to beat. As the competition progresses you’ll see an extremely strict possession style focused on minimising risk and nulifying the opponent. Spain wont be going all out for the win they’ll be happy with 0-0 for as long as it takes. whether it be in normal time or extra time. I dont think any team in the tournament will not concede against spain in 120 minutes of football. So extra time is a massive factor to consider when picking a winner of the tournament. Spain are guarenteed more possession so they know teams will tire later on in games. Knowing this Spain will play effecient possession focused solely on making sure they dont concede the first goal and thus allowing them to control the game. With the score at 0-0 Spain control the game.
Also, Spain have better subs than any other team in this tournament.
It should be simple for Spain score the first goal in every game they win the tournament.
The 4-4-2 system is pretty much obsolete against the newer post-modern 4-2-3-1 or any variations thereof. What could the Irish midfield do against the Spanish passing dominance? Hoof a long ball to Keane or Cox? The lack of speed of the Irish was another thing I noticed. If they wanted to soak up pressure, they needed speedsters of an Ashley Young, Nani, Theo Walcott, or a Gareth Bale type to make a fast counter. I also noticed the Irish lacked grit. Which is sad. I was hoping for one good David and Goliath moment today….
I digress. Today was a sad day for Irish Football. Their federation needs a long hard think about their future. As the Spanish ideal gets emulated across Europe, the Irish need to find faster, more technically skilled players to reach the new standard of Football being set for this decade. How are they going to fare in 2014 qualifying? They will need more than “The Luck of the Irish….”.
Its a little far to call the 4-2-3-1 post-modern tactics. Its basically a classier (by virtue of including a number 10) 4-4-2.
Most hilarious formation diagram ever.
The Irish played with a lot of heart and gave everything out there. Sometimes there is just nothing you can do.
Ireland were extremely poor. They never seems likely to score but they could have hanged onto a 0-0 draw and gone all out against Italy. For long periods Ireland showed they could do this, the problem was the start of both half’s life against Croatia. Ireland seem to be slow to pick up their deep positions, so this is the period other teams have the best chance of scoring, both Croaia and Spain have exposed this weakness. At 2-0 Ireland tried to push up and press Spain and then conceded on the counter to Torres, showing their original strategy was the best alternative, they just didn’t perform it well enough. Ireland shot themselves in the foot here and are now the first team out of the competition. Individually; Given had a poor tournament, Dunne looks past it (though still the best defender in this team), the rest of the defense are a level below and the wingers never really got the chance to impress. Keane worked hard, but perhaps should have been dropped for a more mobile striker, considering their strategy.
Spain most impressed me with their pressing, the best in the competition so far and a benchmark for future performances if they want to win this. Their passing was obviously good but Ireland either didn’t try or badly tried to break this up, so it wasn’t a great test. Torres will be happy, he took advantage when Ireland were disorganized at the start and when they were pushing up in the second, both with fantastic finishes. Other than that he was rather quiet, but he did the job he was brought in to do. He could start against Croatia given their slow CB’s, or Fab could start with Pedro outwide, both could be good options. I expect Spain to give Croatia another thrashing and top this group, with the Croatian defense yet to be tested that much. I also thought the Spanish defense was very good in contrast to ZM, they cleared every half chance Ireland had and never looked worried.
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The Spanish defence has yet to be seriously tested and they will come under more intense pressure as the tournament progresses.
If the likes of Silva can develop more of a cuttuing edge and take their chances, it would help substantially.
I doubt any other defence at this tournament would have afforded David Silva the time and space he enjoyed before scoring.
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True, but I still think they look strong. Ramos and pique look a good partnership to me, Alba’s main role is to get forward, with Busquets able to drop back and help cover. Arbeloa looks the only weak link, nonthreatening in possession and not the fastest fullback when getting back.
I still think Pedro should be given the chance on the right, better movement and penetration. Silva a great player but is playing an unfamiliar role, so not as good.
I am not convinced by Ramos and Pique particularly when Arbeloa advances and Pique is pulled wide.
Arbeloa is probably better defensively than Alba and despite last night’s performance, Arbeloa is not the best attacking full back as you say.
I agree with Silva – he lacks a cutting edge. He can provide craft and guile but lacks the verticality (if the word exists??) of Pedro or Navas.
Here was my take on the game:-
http://chalkontheboots.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/spain-vs-ireland-tactical-analysis/
I really doubt the spanish defence will be put under any type of intense pressure in this Euros. They will be more tested, yes, but on the break. Pique was unbeatable yesterday, albeit against mediocre opposition. He seemed to be on form though and only became lax after 3-0.
Straightforward win for the Spanish which teaches us nothing at all.
Main gain from last night was a confidence boost for Fernando Torres and some needed playing time for Javi Martinez and Santi Cazorla.
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A quite incredible Spain performance. They were utterly dominant. I was happy to see a few of the fringe players (Cazorla, Martinez) get playing time, but a little disappointed that Llorente spent the entire match on the bench. Results yesterday will make for an exciting final round.
You have Xavi and Pirlo, while Ireland has Long – Cox!
The Irish fans were amazing:)
What’s your suggestions to play against Spain? Use two very fast wingers and told them to stay up and not to track back?
There is space behind the full backs which can be exploited. Having fast wingers can assist here. Or even players who move from inside out like Cassano and Balotelli did for Italy.
I don’t think there is one single tactic. Different teams will employ differing strategies to overcome Spain.
The problem facing all teams is recovering possession. Having chased and harried Spain, when you do recover the ball, you are often extremely tired which immediately limits your impact.
Ireland are considerably weaker than Spain so in some respects, there was never going to be much of a tactical battle last night.
I think the first thing to is play high when you can especially if Spain are playing without Torres, Pedro or Navas. There will not be a huge problem with pace in behind your defensive line. There will obviously be periods of pressure when you are deep and defending. Make Casillas kick out rather than throwing the ball out. As soon as the ball is in the air, you immediately increase your opportunity to win it back given that they are weak aerially.
The USA and Switzerland both clogged the centre and Spain struggled as a result. They can become narrow and predictable at times.
Opponents need to retain their shape and structure. Ireland were really ragged at times last night which was strange given Trapattoni’s insistence on the 4-4-2 system since he took over.
One key point is Spain themselves. They can pass too slowly at times and be profligate in front of goal. When they up the tempo though and add a penetrative edge to their play, there are few sides who can live with them.
A Germany vs Spain clash in this tournament is one game I hope can live up to expectations if it arrives.
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hahaha, watching Beijing TV today, they used this article (including the exact picture for starting lineup formations!) to analyse the match. It seems you are a hit in China Mr. Cox
Only Nocerino can trash Spain.
They could’ve seen it out at 1-0, and I wouldn’t blame them if they did. If teams just continue to sit deep & wait when they’re losing 1-0, then Spain don’t have to try to score again.
I think, regardless of the opponent, Spain were incredible. As Raphael Honigstein said though, they’re far to good at playing the most difficult brand of football possible. Sometimes people bemoan a lack of penetration but when everyone just puts every inch of effort into defending in two banks of four, there’s literally nowhere to go sometimes. And obviously, Spain pay the price for their ability by pushing opponents even further back by playing the ball in front of them. The better Spain play, the more difficult it becomes to get behind a defense.
Spain is still by far the best national team, I think they will probably win this year, too, but at WC2014 I could see Germany turning into the best team.
They are implementing an possession-based-system now, too, as opposed to the more counter-attacking style of play of 2010, but they don´t have integrated the perfect type of players for possession football(especially Podolski and Gomez have the strengtes when the have space).
But for 2014 I´d love to see that kind of team.
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Pretty similar to the system spain plays. You could also place one of Gündogan/Kroos alongside Schweinsteiger, they can both play as holding mitfielders.
You also have Khedira and the Benders as more defensive-minded alternatives.
Götze would provide a even more creative approach if you place him in the 3-man-midfield, maybe lining up Schürrle or Podolski to provide more width.
Left-back seem to be the only vacant position. Right now, I would start with Boateng, since he isn´t attacking anyways, so it doesn´t matter on which side he´s not attacking, he played strong as left-back 2010 and Lahm is stronger on the right side and can provide more width.
Reus would be the best choice as a false 9, snce he´s technically superb, fast and a goal thread.
Ireland’s only decent passes were in the first 4 minutes of the game. The wrong players, formation, and tactics were used (Spain still would have won).
I expect Italy and Croatia to progress from this group.