Euro 2012 preview: Spain

Possible Spain starting line-up. Albiol could replace Pique, Llorente or Negredo could replace Torres, various players could replace Silva
Spain didn’t win World Cup 2010 through pure tiki-taka. They won because they mixed tiki-taka with different options that brought more directness and urgency to their play.
When they went with pure tiki-taka, they stumbled. The defeat to Switzerland in their opening game of the World Cup was a huge shock, but while the Swiss deserved credit for the way they defended, the real story was how painfully predictable Spain were in their build-up play. With Andres Iniesta on one flank and David Silva on the other, and both coming inside into the same area of the pitch, Spain often occupied a width of around ten metres with their attacking trio. With Xavi Hernandez, Xabi Alonso and Sergio Busquets all sitting behind the ball, Spain never looked like offering enough variation to make the breakthrough, and they lost 1-0.
Variety
From then on, Spain were always enhanced when they added ’something different’ to the mix. Silva didn’t see any more gametime, which was harsh on him, but considering Iniesta’s impact on the rest of the tournament, Vicente Del Bosque dropped the right man.
There were three elements of variety. First, they could offer directness from the flanks, which came from David Villa starting wide and charging towards goal (with Fernando Torres upfront), or from more natural wide players like Pedro Rodriguez and Jesus Navas, who both played important roles in the final.
The second option was direct forward runs from midfield, which came from Cesc Fabregas, used from the bench four times in the competition, including in the final.
The third option only featured once – Fernando Llorente came on to play a target man role against Portugal and transformed the way Spain played. He should have scored at least once, but his mere presence pushed Portugal back and closed out the game.
Squad harmony
Del Bosque is doubtless aware of this, and while he’s a fine coach, he’s not a particularly keen tactician. The main feature of his management, without wishing to simplify his talents, is to create a harmonious squad. As important as the variation on the field in South Africa was the togetherness off it, and his determination to replicate that is demonstrated by how he’s tried to keep that World Cup squad together – only David Villa and Carles Puyol (injured) and Joan Capdevila and Carlos Marchena (34 and 32, and neither regulars for their clubs over the course of 2011/12). He hasn’t left out any serious options.
Even Torres and Pedro, coming off the back of awful campaigns, remain – they’re popular members of the squad. Roberto Soldado, a fine striker but a potential troublemaker, was axed from the travelling party. “One of the fundamental issues is the good relationship that exists within the group,” Del Bosque says. “I have been fortunate to have a good group made up of nice people. It is important to reinforce the relations that exists between the players – that was a key part of our success in recent years.”
Silva reintroduction
All of which is important in any successful team, but it is paramount to Del Bosque. He listens to his players when it comes to tactics – Carles Puyol’s header against Germany in the World Cup semi-final was a move requested by the players, who thought they’d been overusing Del Bosque’s favoured short corner. Perhaps he listens to them on selection issues too – Silva complained that he hadn’t been used enough last year. “‘Over the past year I’ve been feeling like a bit part player. I’ll work hard to maintain my level with City but I doubt if I’ll go to the European Championship finals,” he said. “‘I do not count on the confidence of the coach.”
It was an exaggerated protest – there was no chance that a fit Silva wasn’t going to be in the 23. But since then, seeing the first sign of dissent amongst his ranks, Del Bosque has tried to make room for Silva.
But this puts Spain back to the situation seen in the Switzerland game – you don’t want two wide players coming inside. Del Bosque has even tried to fit Silva in as a false nine, (largely without success) and Silva doesn’t quite have the natural skillset for that role anyway. Besides, if you have a forward coming short, you need wide players (or midfield runners) making direct runs. You can’t have four players bunching into the same part of the pitch, central between the lines.
Who to drop?
The problem is that Del Bosque can’t include all his playmakers. Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Fabregas, Iniesta, Silva, Mata and Santi Cazorla, judging by their ability and form over the past season, all ‘deserve’ to be in their national side. But eight ball-playing midfielders can’t exist together. Probably only four can, naturally – in conjunction with a back four, a striker and a wide player who stretches things. Del Bosque’s attempts to include five or even six are fascinating, but potentially suicidal.
The obvious way to accommodate another of the attacking playmakers would be to play only one holder, which would mean dropping Alonso (rather than Busquets who is better at breaking up play). This would allow Xavi deeper into his Barcelona role, and the same goes for Iniesta. Even then, however, it’s probable that Del Bosque would then put Silva on one flank and either Cazorla or Mata on the other, which doesn’t solve the problem.
And while Del Bosque has said that “We may adopt an even more attacking approach”, it is highly unlikely he’ll do away with Busquets, Alonso or Xavi. This is slightly frustrating – as Roberticus says, “Spain is currently achieving the laudable feat of fielding three of the world’s iconic midfielders and somehow conspiring to render each one uncomfortable and less effective in the presence of one another.”
Still need width
Regardless of the discussion above, Silva and Iniesta will probably start in the wide positions. Iniesta is undroppable, while Del Bosque seems particularly keen to include Silva. Those two combined superbly for the only goal in the pre-tournament friendly victory over China, but that paints a false picture – Spain were terrible in the first half and good in the second – and the main reason for the improvement was that Jesus Navas came on to stretch the play, opening up gaps for Silva and Iniesta to create. The situation hasn’t changed.
If Spain go with Iniesta and Silva wide, and no true winger, then it’s not unrealistic to say that their most important player is Jordi Alba at left-back, a relative newcomer to the side. Everyone else’s job is broadly covered by another player in the XI, but Alba is the only one who would offer outright pace, directness and width. Right-back Alvaro Arbeloa is a good full-back, but nowhere near as accomplished technically. Alba could become 2012’s Pedro/Navas figure, which would allow Del Bosque to indulge in his festival of playmakers higher up.
Defence
In defence, the loss of Puyol is huge for both his defensive ability and his leadership ability. Ramos has come inside into the centre of defence, where he’s played for Real Madrid – weakening Spain’s attacking thrust from right-back – but his partner is uncertain. Two years ago the idea that Gerard Pique wouldn’t be first-choice in 2012 was laughable, but after a poor season for Barcelona, and amid various reports that he’s taken his eye off the ball, Raul Albiol could start instead.
Number nine?
The other issue is at the opposite end of the pitch. The loss of David Villa is huge – his international goalscoring record is incredible, and so often he provided key goals for Spain in international tournaments. Assuming Del Bosque doesn’t start with Silva or Fabregas as a false nine (which remains unlikely), he has a straight three-way choice between Torres, Llorente and Alvaro Negredo. Each has a clear weakness – Torres lacks form, Llorente lacks fitness, Negredo lacks experience. This is very difficult to call, and it would be a surprise if all three were not used at some point in the competition.
Llorente would be favourite if fully fit, and Negredo’s clever runs in behind the defence give Spain offer most penetration, but Del Bosque’s loyalty to Torres shouldn’t be underestimated. It’s not the right decision on paper – but Del Bosque isn’t an ‘on paper’ man. He’s a ‘dressing room’ man, and as always, squad unity and harmony appears to come before tactical efficiency.
Conclusion
Compared to two years ago, Spain are even stronger in the department they excel in. Silva and Mata have developed further since their moves to England, Fabregas has become a better player tactically, in his own words, by returning to Spain. The sublime Cazorla, injured two years ago, offers yet another option.
Yet elsewhere they are weaker – there’s no Villa upfront, there’s no Puyol at the back, and Pedro and Pique aren’t at the level of 2010 (all of which has dealt a bow to the Barcelona connection throughout the side). Spain have an unbalanced squad, but Del Bosque must assemble a balanced team.
Quick guide
Coach – Vicente Del Bosque
Formation – Roughly 4-2-1-3
Key player – Whoever offers width: possibly Jordi Alba
Strength – Xavi, Iniesta, Mata, Silva, Fabregas, Cazorla – six of the best playmakers in the world
Weakness – The lack of a settled back four
Key tactical question – Who does Del Bosque play in the wide positions?
Key quote – Del Bosque: “The hardest thing about being a national manager is that you have to leave out people who have done enough to deserve a place, players who are not regulars for their club, or you have players on the bench and they are not happy.”
Betfair odds: 3.9 (roughly 3/1)
Recommended bet: A Spain v Germany final is 9.0 (8/1)
Further reading: Morbo by Phil Ball, Sid Lowe on del Bosque’s management style, David Cartlidge’s player guide.



Is Alonso likely to drop into defense? I know he did recently.
yep, this is what come to my mind when watching China game.
The main thing I don’t like about Spain NT lately is Alonso and Busquets playing together in midfield. So what about:
Casillas
Ramos, Pique, X. Alonso, Alba
——-Busquets———-
—-Xavi———Iniesta—
Navas/D.Silva—Torres/Llorente—-Pedro–
or Iniesta -> Fabregas, Pedro -> Iniesta
Question: Why Alonso when Busquets does it at Barca?
Pro for Busquets droping into defence: he and Piquet are used to do it at the club.
Pro for Alonso: Busquets is used to play with Xavi & co. in midfield, too.
where would the ‘passer’ Alonso be more useful, in front of the back four or as part of the back four? And who will defend better of the two holders?
Why put Busquets into a position where he’s not as good?
And why put Alonso into a position where he’s never played in a major international tournament? His lack of pace and vulnerability to movement would be exploited in my opinion.
for real. Javi Martinez would be better in defense if Ramos plays RB, but given that Ramos played CB most of the year I think we’ll probably see a Pique-Ramos CB pairing.
Torres
Iniesta Silva
Xavi
X.Alonso Busquets
Alba Juanfran
Ramos Pique
Casillas
I think this is the best Spanish line up possible. Busquets can drop into defense as Alba and Juanfran bomb forward providing the crucial width. everything else is self-explantory, Silva/Iniesta will link superbly with Xavi to supply Torres, Alonso can sit in the hole between defense and Xavi when Busquets drops and the fullbacks get forward.
Risk with Pique, but Martinez is there if he’s still out-of-form, while Arbeloa provides experienced cover for Juanfran.
…………………Torres………………….
…..Iniesta………………….Silva………
……………………Xavi……………………
……….X.Alonso………………………….
………………………Busquets…………..
Alba …………………………… Juanfran
…………..Ramos …Pique………………
…………………Casillas…………………..
That’s bascially the team that failed so miserably against Switzerland.
This team is very narrow and very congested in the midfield. Opposing teams only need to set up a wall infront of their defence and Spain will not be able to create any clear cut chances. This team needs more penetration. They need players forward to whom the midfielders can pass the ball to.
…………………Torres………………….
…..Iniesta………………….Pedro………
……………………Silva……………………
………………Xavi………………………….
………………………Busquets…………..
Alba ……………………………….Arbeloa
…………..Ramos …Pique………………
…………………Casillas…………………..
To get more penetration, they need a player who will
a) constantly try to make runs and get into the box to help the striker (Torres) from the wing. = Pedro OR
b) stretch the opposing defence in order for players like Silva and Iniesta to come drop in between the defence and into the box. This will allow the midfielders behind to send in through balls. = Navas
In order to do this and not compromise on defence (which means keeping a double pivot in front of defence), Spain will need to drop 1 player. Who?
a) Alonso OR
b) Xavi – there is no point playing him up front as he needs players ahead of him to whom he can make passes
In my opinion, Alonso should be compromised, as towards the end of the season his form started dropping and Silva has been playing very well with the National team.
Call it France 2000s syndrome, call it Barcelona 2008 syndrome, but I feel like Spain has already too many too similar players and a lack of variety overall. They are not really a well balanced side, as funny as it might sound to some. Generally, the best sides have 11+8 players who complement each other but I don’t have this with Spain. Villa’s absence will also be a huge blow for many reasons, simply as he provides finishing from the flank, something Barcelona lacked this season too.
Completely agree, Villa’s trickery and ability to score from outside the box would be sorely missed . Specially, if the opponent decides to park the bus. Silva and Iniesta playing together could be counterproductive as they both like to cut inside, they are too similar.
The big question is: does Del Bosque have the balls to kick out Alonso, who doesn’t add anything to the team and prevents the others to play at their best. The pressure of Madrid’s press makes it hard for Del Bosque to drop him though. Aragones was extremely brave facing up to the propaganda from Madrid’s media and had the balls to kick out Raul (and his ego). Del Bosque should do the same.
Well… in this case maybe he should have the balls and call Raul back as he would fit the style better than any forwards Spain has. They can serve as good subs then.
The style that has him going to play in the middle east? No thanks, Raul was an immense player, but his time has past.
For him to mess up the dressing-room again? Del Bosque isn’t mad either…
I think the best tactical option would be to field Juanfran at right back for the lethargic Arbeloa. Less than a year ago he was a winger but had a fantastic 2nd half of the season at right back. his energy and attack mindedness could be an answer. And since Busquets is already in the side he could drop back to defense and balance out the team, leaving Xabi Alonso as the holding player, Xavi Hernandez pulling the strings in midfield giving the team much needed rhythm, and Iniesta and Silva playing in-between the lines.
Also, in regards to the China match; Iniesta came on at halftime as a sub, while Jesus Navas made sense, he was largely wasteful in possession and didn’t have the impact one would have hoped.
You are right, but i think ZM meant that having a wide player running up and down can distract the other team. This will allow more space to maneuver. It’s simple Iniesta build up plays and kept possession, feed the ball wide to Navas to run past his defender and break the line, everyone else moves forward, ball back to iniesta to more buildup or cross [to no one]
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Spain should use Martinez as a center back, neither Pique nor Aibiol will be good enough to play
What’s all the drama about Pique? He had injury problems, but is still a far better option than Javi Martinez or – god forbid – Albiol. He’s getting to his best form after the blow on his head against Chelsea, was kind of man of the match at the cup final. Spain’s defense without him looked very shaky in the first half against China, only Casillas prevented China from going up 1-0 or 2-0. This team needs Pique more than Sergio Ramos at centre back. If you want to play Javi Martinez, then alongside Pique, with Ramos moving to right back.
Javi Martínez has given the most penalties in La Liga this season. Please, he’s only a decent centre back. That’s the only thing people reproach Bielsa in Bilbao, because he may become a world-class defensive midfielder and he insists with him in a position he doesn’t feel comfortable at all.
Pique has been terrible throughout the whole season, and he will only get worse without the guidance of Puyol
I worry about Spain, you have got it spot on by saying they have got better at their strengths but worse at their weaknesses.
Their back four at the World Cup was brilliant, but they are now arguably missing all the elements of that defense: Puyol is injured, Pique is out of form (though could still have a good tournament), Ramos has been moved into central defense (where he has had a great season) and Capdevilla has been dropped. Spain seem to have swapped fullbacks, from an attacking RB and conservative LB to an attacking LB and conservative RB. Ramos is bang in form but as stated their are questions marks whether Pique will be good enough (albiol would be a poor replacement).
Then there is Xavi out of position, who lacks the goal threat (though he has had his bets goal return this season) and perhaps energy to excel as an AM. He is probably undroppable, but I would drop either him or Alonso and bring in Mata/Carzola/Silva/Fabregas/Iniesta into that position. Then out wide Iniesta will only work on the left if there is a true winger on the right (not Silva), so I think Pedro should start there despite being out of form as he provides width and penetration to Spain’s possession (plus his form seemed to be picking up).
Up front Spain face a similar striker dilemma to Germany. Their best option is unfit in Llorente (like Klose), while their next best alternative is Torres who wouldn’t be trusted to score in the big games (like Gomez). Torres could work if Spain still had Villa, as those two had a great partnership, but Spain don’t have anyone in that mold, so could struggle to score.
In think Spain will get out of their group (I can see them struggling against Ireland, but thrashing Croatia and beating Italy), but they might struggle in the later stages and I don’t think they will win time, possibly going out in the semi finals.
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The only reason why Pedro is in the team is that he showed excellent signs of getting back to his best, towards the end of the season.
My feeling is that Iniesta will almost do a Messi for Spain.
Spain will hope he is, because they look like they will lack any width and penetration otherwise.
How would you define “a messi”?
beat 4-5 defenders, drag opposition and create chances for teammates, and convert a penalty
Ramos was Real’s weakest link against Bayern.
Silva, Mata, Cazorla, Negrodo all might see much less of playing time, I think.
We will mostly see Busquts, Xavi, Iniesta, Xabi, Cesc, Lorente, Pedro, Navas and Torres up there, even if couple of them are going to come up only as subs.
Like somebody else here, I too think benching Alonso and using only Busquets as the DM, will give Del Bosque the possibility to use more attacking players.
Its quite an embarassment of riches for Spain. Juanfran, if given an opportunity will be a real surprise – on the opposite flank to Alba. Which means Spain will have to excellent wing backs.
More than Villa, I think they are going to miss Puyol.
I don’t think there’s any problem at all playing as many playmakers as possible. In fact, I think that’s what Del Bosque should do, but taking out Alonso, which isn’t needed in this team, and get in someone like Cazorla or Mata (I’d say Fàbregas too, but he’s been awful since January-February).
Spain became Spain in Austria’08. They outplayed Russia in the semifinals and a much more physical team like Germany using what you call 5 playmakers (Senna, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva and Fàbregas). In fact, we saw the best of Spain when a forward, Villa, had to come out because of an injury. It was the best-ever version of the current Spanish side.
It’s interesting to see how Del Bosque started using Alonso after the loss against USA. Until then he’d only use a defensive midfielder, but not two. Maybe it’s also a coincidence (or not), but Alonso became a key man for Del Bosque once he joined Real Madrid. We know Del Bosque isn’t very keen on players playing abroad, showing a total lack of awareness for those who don’t play in Spain.
By the way, Jesús Navas creating spaces for the others is a bit of a pain. Not a fan of players who ONLY create spaces. He sent hell of good crosses against China, why not taking advantage of this? Del Bosque, once again, played Navas without Llorente (and this time, even without Negredo). He kept sending crosses to Torres, Silva or Iniesta. That’s like the lamest thing I’ve seen ever… If I hadn’t seen it before! In the qualifiers, against Czech Republic, he deployed Navas along with Iniesta and Villa. Only two players to attack (and Iniesta may get the flue if he shoots, apparently) and Navas sending crosses to 1,70 guys.
So take Alonso out, put Mata in a wing (he’s always played as a winger, by the way) and let’s see if we can see some hints of that great Spanish side. Spain improved in the second half against China not only because of Navas, but because one of the two DMs came out. By the way, fellas, watch out with Mata. He may be the new Silva. Let’s see how many minutes he plays in Poland (and hopefully in Ukraine). Del Bosque has something against players who don’t play in La Liga, seriously. It’s pretty well explained in this preview why Silva is a starter now. You may say “what about Torres?” Torres is Torres, press is behind him and he turns his face when he’s on the bench. Another of the reasons exposed in this good preview. I hope Del Bosque proves me wrong in this and shows some common sense.
Many people say Spain won the World Cup in spite of Del Bosque. That’s too radical, in my view, but maybe isn’t too inaccurate.
“But eight ball-playing midfielders can’t exist together. Probably only four can, naturally – in conjunction with a back four, a striker and a wide player who stretches things.”
Couldn’t Del Bosque do what Pep did and start playing midfielders at centre back? That would allow Ramos to go to right-back, allow Cesc to start, and centre back is the weakest part of their starting XI anyway.
That is true – with Martinez a possibility – but I’m not sure it will happen….
Who to drop?
That has to be the easiest question ever asked … Answer: Busquets.
Reasoning: If you’ve got 70+% of the possession you need someone who can actually play the ball, in all positions … you don’t need someone extra to “get the ball back”, an extra security measure as it were … let a central defender step UP INTO midfield (yes this is risky, but you want to play fun attractive football you gotta live a little) to regain possession and make the remaining back two (I’m assuming one wing back was up involved in attacking play) deal with the lone striker (name me one team that plays with more than one real striker – okay Ireland and Italy who are both opponents in the Spain group, but still realistically it’ll be one because the other will be back helping defend) and even then 2 at the back will be one-on-one at least cuz none in their group play with 3 out-and-out forwards (a 4-3-3 style) and one would assume one forward is tracking back with the wing back.
Basically, Busquets is useless on the ball and since Spain’ll be on the ball, well … you get my point. Anyone can make the passes he does and I’m sure that any Spanish midfielder, if they were to put in the effort, can recover a ball “as well as he does” (that’s sarcastic by the way – I think B. needs too many fouls to try to recover a ball) … if Javi Martinez can play as a central defender for Bilbao (after playing most of his career as a central midfielder) I’m sure he can do the same job and better (has better ball handling skills and game insight) or Xabi Alonso or S.Carzola or even Xavi.
Playing Busquets is playing not to loose (with the possibility of winning) … putting anyone else in that position is playing for the win (with the possibility of losing).
I know I’ll get a ton of flack for this but unfortunately none will be able to change my vision … I want to see 11 great players out there passing their way into the opponents goal with some tense exciting moments thrown in and maybe a goal against, but with the knowledge that the 11 one the field will always score more cuz they’re so darn attacking. So a game isn’t won, who cares … they lost once in S.Africa, tied once in 2008 but still won in the end. Live a little.
Busquets useless on the ball? Ahum. He sure is better for Spain’s passing game than Alonso. There won’t be long-ball games and in short passing, Alonso shows lack of skill and technique. What Alonso does in 3-4 touches, Busquets does in 1-2 touches. And talking about ball recovery, you just can’t compare them. Busquets needs too many fouls to won ball back? Which games have youbeen watching, one of the cleanest defensive midfieldres ever;, great at anticipating. Alonso, who needs far more (and dirtier, thanks Jose) fouls to stop opponents lately, alone as defensive midfielder is exposing yourself to counter-attacks, while you lack speed at the back.
You’re right. Alonso is a fine player but he works better in a more direct side like Real and Liverpool. His long range passing is wasted when the opposition is leaving no space behind them and as you say, his first touch cannot compare to Sergio. Neither are great natural ball winners but Busquets is a bit better and his understanding with Xavi makes him a better fit. Maybe when Xavi is gone then Alonso can move forward and settle into a more creative role as Spain will not be able to play this way without Xavi but for now if you are going to drop a holder, then it should be Alonso.
with Del Bosque, or even any other reasonable good coach, Busquets is not going to be dropped.
One of the reasons Spain have been so successful is the presence of Busquets. Especially now with a shaky defence, they need to have players to intercept passes (or players) towards the back before the defenders are involved.
Almost like a “pre-sweeper”…sweeping up before the ball gets behind the defence, then play the ball to the more creative central midfielders. If you play Alonso in this role, he will be looking forward and will leave the back four exposed. With most sides playing a central playmaker, you need somebody in front of the defence to intercept them. Think: Ozil (WCSF) and Sneijder (WCF)
Dropping him would be disastrous, in my opinion.
WRONG!
These are the few features when you have Busi in your squad:
1.You can go fwd with both LB and RB, while he drops to back three…
2.You can do fwd with one of the CBs, for instance Pique with his sudden runs…
3.You can go fwd with all other MFs
That is why Busi is a must for good ATTACKING formation…
Now clearly you should learn some tactics before trashing him, i’ll just say this…
1.Busi is not useless on the ball, he’s number 2 or 3 (don’t remember the stats ) building player in La Liga… One of his features is he’s making players free with a simple faint moves, he’s one of the best tactitians in the world and can nullify a whole MF line with a single pass… he can score as well (not does this too much due to his position) as he used to be a striker in the Juvenil..
2.not Javi Martinez and not Xabi Alonso and not Casorla and not EVEN Xavi can do this better then Busi as he’s the best in the WORLD in this position…Busi played as CB for Barca (as Martinez for Bilbao) as well.
Now obviously DB has better understanding of soccer than you, so i’m not worried but I suggest you watch some Busi videos and come back to apologize later… We’ll forgive you.
Ray Wilkins, is that you?
I stopped reading your post after you implied busquets is poor on the ball.
Hi all …
Just came back to check if someone had commented on my comment, Spain tied 1-1 with Italy yesterday so it gives me some nice concrete evidence to back-up my reasoning.
@all
1) Sheesh, no need to get personal … I didn’t … I respect that you all have different opinions and I’d have hoped you’ve have respected the fact that someone else may have a different opinion that what you may have.
2) Um … I live around 500 meters away from a La Liga stadium … if I want to see Busquets play I’ll take my season ticket and go to the Barcelona game when they come to town … watch him live, which is better than on tv or on edited YouTube video clips … and yes, I have seen him play live numerous times and yes I have thought that he was over rated.
3) One of the things that you have right if you mentioned it is the team connection he has with the other Barcelona players … as ZM noted; in such a short tournament team connections are very important … I missed this point, so yes you’re 100% right, has more intuitive play with his team mates.
Now I’ll reply to people’s comments individually …
@Yuno – I believe the Italy game showed that long balls are needed and that Busquets is not that good at them.
As for the rest, lets just agree to disagree.
@Antoni – That’s just my point, with a different player you still have the direct option and with a false nine or a striker looking to make runs (eg. Fernando Torres, not Llorente so much) a long direct ball through/over the defence from the back can be what is needed at times.
You bring up the best counter argument to what I mentioned and state it in the most relaxed way, thanks.
@Rajesh – yes I know.
I tried to put something done as food for thought and to get a discussion, hardly anyone should be an automatic start especially if they are a defensive central midfielder … if you’re Xavi, Sneijder, Iniesta, Messi etc. then yes, you should always start … A DCM should at least be discussed before playing him in a team.
@Joe – thanks for your comment, well stated … only thing is if that you are playing agaisnt quality players like Özil and Sneijder they will notice that it doesn’t work through the middle and head out to the sides … see Sneijder’s excellent performance v Denmark … at that moment there’s no intercepting anyone, the only thing Busquets can do is get himself dragged out to the side to assist where that player is going thus leaving space open for penetrating runs by a midfielder or even a centreback like Agger (good shot, good passing, not afraid of an adventure upfield).
But you are right if you want to play the cautious approach.
So yes, I can see where you are coming from but it’ll only work when the opposition doesn’t know how to adapt or doesn’t have the quality to adapt. And against weak opposition my opinion is that you need as little CDMs as possible.
@Jeremy – haha … but no.
@Alex – a pity, try to go back and re-read it along with the other comments, you might learn something, open your mind to other possibilities even though you may not agree with them in the end, it helps you stand stronger in your own opinion. Right now you just come over as an arrogant, ignorant person and I’m sure that’s not the case in reality.
@wild_bunch – oef, where to start …
Even Barcelona don’t go up with both at the same time because often, their LB is not that type of player, more cautious, Alves at RB is very adventurous … R.Mad are the same, but then their LB is more adventurous and RB cautious.
1. Spain don’t go forward with both LB and RB at the same time so there is always a back three … having B drop in would make it a back 4. Watch the Italy game if you want to see how the Spain back 4 work, not the same as the Barcelona model.
Anyway, my opinion was that Xabi Alonso or Javi Martínez could also start there and drop back when needed. My argument was that they could do the same if needed, with JM the better of the two.
2. The less Pique does those “runs” the better, ouch … need whole different CBs for that to work properly (eg. Agger is good at that).
3. Moving forward with all other MFs can be done either way … just have JM, XA, player A stay back.
My point was that Busquets gets the ball too much and that he’s not the most creative of players … it would be nicer to have a real creative player there … I also find his “ball winning ability” over-rated and not really necessary (see below).
1. Just because B’s passing % are high says nothing about the type of pass … sorry, misuse of stats. Scoring is besides the point, when your team takes a shot you want it to be taken in a quality position by a quality player … let Xavi take a shot from just outside the box to draw the defense out in the future, defenses will let B shoot as much as he likes, presents no real threat save the odd lucky goal. B is more a threat at corners with he length (though he’s not the greatest header).
2. hehe, I’m sure ZM, Del Bosque, Guardiola etc. has a better understanding of soccer than me … not saying they don’t … if I was coach I’d play a different style as I’m not a fan of DCMs … I like Wim Jonk, Redondo etc. in that position … defend wasn’t their main strength but boy did they ever dictate play with their passing and vision.
Gotta go do shopping, more later.
Cheers!
right … back.
Last point:
On the philosophy of “ball winning ability” … there have been some comments on this.
First let me state that ball winning ability is very important in a team, especially one that prides itself in it’s ability to retain the ball. Thus to quickly fix a mistake; missed pass, bad control, unseen tackle, unsuccessful dribble etc.
However, this team is also likely to have around 70% possession, on average, as is the case with Barcelona and Spain. What does this mean?
Imagine that I am that team with 70 % possession and play like Spain … the ball will circulate fairly high up the pitch most of the time, to the left or right side about 2/3rds up the pitch and also at times in the centre due to the skills of the midfielders. The play is patient, but the passing is fast. ie. the ball isn’t played around between the two CDs and goalie (playing with a back 4 like Spain) who make long passes into the corners when they see wingers running.
Furthermore, having such high possession stats it probably means that the opposition only has short periods of possession … even if the total number of possessions of the two teams is equal this would mean that the possession of the other team would be 70% less in time thus significantly shorter.
So … the team has the ball is playing it around on the left and then the left winger loses the ball to the right back while trying to pass it to a left wing back who is overlapping the winger on the outside (eventually for a cross or dribble into the box) … FREEZE FRAME … now the question comes … where do I need ball winning ability? The DCM position? The right back has the ball deep inside his own half to the right of the penalty area. The last line of my team is hovering around the halfway line with the DCM a couple of meters in front, there are two strikers kinda of roaming that area (it is Spain v Ireland). What should happen is the LWB and LW should put pressure on the RB straight away … the initial “ball winning ability” should be there and hey with a LWB it just might be.
Lets look at the most obvious RB options; hit it long and clear it (loss of possession almost certain); hit it out for a thrown in (loss of possession); pass it to the RM who is near and was tracking the LWB (difficult cuz there are 2 opponents in the area but a possibility to retain possession); centre the ball to the CD or (D)CM; attempt a dribble.
Remember on average the time of possession will be low so the opposition has to work quickly …
Anyway, you get my drift … in my opinion ball winning ability comes with putting pressure on the opposition and on the ball carrier (you have to cover the pass options) … in the style of play that Spain play the DCM will not feature prominently in loss of ball situation because often they will be nowhere near the spot where it happens.
Now, you need DCMs when the forward team mates don’t apply pressure and so getting out of a “sticky” situation is easy for the opposition … or if the opposition has the same crisp, short passing as Spain … or if the team has around an average of 50% ball possession (most normal teams) … or possession loss situation arise mostly due to DCMs loosing possession themselves or having it happen right in front of them by a second DCM (see Holland and Van Bommel/De Jong partnership).
The way Spain play I think 2 DCMs is one too much, my preference goes in removing Busquets because I value his ball playing skills lower than Xabi’s (I rate a long pass possibility high as a different option, especially with a fast Torres or Silva/Pedro type upfront).
Just to show you can win without having excellent “ball winning skills” at the back … look at the Barcelona team that won their first European Cup 1 … they had Koeman in CD and Guardiola in DCM … not two players renowned for their ball winning skills … still, they managed to win a ton due to their ball handling and vision.
DCMs that could pass etc: Wim Jonk, Aron Winter, Philip Cocu etc.
DCMs that couldn’t pass but could win the ball: Edgar Davids.
Long passes?! To the short midfielders they were playing up top?! Alonso needs to be dropped. His better days are behind him. Madrid’s weaknesses were Alonso and the back line. They were exposed when a team was able to pass the ball.
Del Bosque is going to have to choose. He cannot remain loyal and comfort egos or he will waste an excellent opportunity to make history.
What about playing a back 3? This will allow an extra man into the midfield, where Spain has their best players, plus Ramos and Arbeloa are comfortable playing that excentred center back role. The problem will be that they don’t really have wing-backs so they will be exposed on their flanks. But Barcelona has played with some success a 3-4-3 with a diamond midfield; with spanish team, it could be like that:
————-Torres————-
Silva——————–Cazorla
———–Fabregas/Xavi——–
——-Iniesta—–X.Alonso/Xavi
————Busquets————
—–Ramos—Pique—Arbeloa—-
Too risky. It’s the Euro Cup.
I’m of the opinion that the Iniesta-Xavi partnership should never be dropped in the center provided both are healthy and on form. Xavi’s miles are taking a serious toll, and his fitness is certainly something Spain need to monitor responsibly. If 100% fit, he is undroppable.
Xabi Alonso should be the odd man out despite his leadership qualities. He is simply redundant next to Xavi. With Villa out, Mata and Pedro provide the most goal scoring threat from the left. On long term form, and given his additional creativity, Mata should be first choice.
Llorente makes more sense than Torres up top, but only if Mata and the right sided attacker make aggressive diagonal moves into the box and/or play the opportune cross. Spain’s personality benefits more from a back to goal CF, and not a counter man like Torres. Llorente’s on-ball ability would encourage further penetration from the wide attackers and also the central midfield. Torres can’t provide that element, and Spain become easy to keep out of clear cut goal scoring positions. He’ll be standing around waiting for service, and then try to make futile runs into non-existant space.
Excellent review Michael. If VDB proves unwilling to drop Alonso then the midfield will be badly unbalanced and frankly quite stale with all of Xavi/Alonso/Busquets sitting behind the ball.
Another option would be to keep a midfield trio of Cesc/Xavi/Busquets and use Iniesta as a false 9 – he had one game in that position this season when Messi was suspended for yellow cards and if memory serves scored twice and pretty much bossed the position. In that set up Cesc was and will be running in from deep, Silva could be sitting on the left cutting in and interlinking with Alba, while Pedro/Navas/Santi could keep width on the right.
Paradoxically, the fantastic form of Llorente is a big headache for VDB because if he were to use him then things become very static up front and he needs to then use pure wingers to open space. Either way, I expect Mata, Cesc, Santi and possibly Alonso to see little play.
Silva—————Torres—————Pedro
———————————————-
———-Iniesta—————————–
——————————-Xavi———–
——————-Busquets——————-
———————————————-
Alba———Ramos———-Pique——Arbeloa
Easy.
No width if you play Iniesta & Silva. I’d bench Alonso and put Iniesta in the middle.
————-Valdes————
Arbeloa—Ramos—Pique——–
————-Busquets——-Alba
———-Xavi—–Iniesta
Pedro——Llorente—-Silva—
That’s what I’d play.
if this is the starting line up then i think that spain will have problem down the right because arbeloa although he is a decent defender players still view him as an opportunity and even pique is not a very prime form if anybody could had watched copa del ray final they could had seen how easily llorente was able to turn on him . again on the offense even arbeloa is not decent going forward he was used very conservatively by mouriniho and was told to hold his position and venture too much forward .the incisive runs by ramos cant be expected by arbeloa so that is another problem . teams have to believe that they can pass the ball against spain . ball needs to taken from back to front very fast and most importantly somebody has to win a one on one situation somewhere on the pitch when they try to close you which can open there defense .
now you talked about the german game against spain . the problem with german was whenever they won the ball the players will try get into advanced position as soon as possible instead of trying to move with the ball . they tried to stretch much too soon so what use to happen that the player with the ball didnt use to have too many options to pass the balls and once closed down which the spaniards do very nicely they tend to loose the possession . instead move with ball so that even if loose the ball you will have players who will be there for cover and try to win it back .
although spain are the best team in the tournament but still they are beatable italy beat then by playing players getting to turn back to the goal and then pass the ball .
I would definitly go with a back 3.
————Torres———
-Iniesta————-Silva-
—————————
-Alba——Xavi—Fabregas-
—————————
———Busquets———-
–Ramos—Pique—Arbeloa–
I really hope Del Bosque doesn’t play Iniesta out wide again. He almost always underperforms in that position. His only good game in that position that comes into my mind was when Barcelona won 3-1 at Madrid last December.
Also, Silva as a false nine is almost suicidal, as they would never have the player to cut behind the opponent’s back line. I think Llorente is their best choice and he would be favored by Spain always pushing so close to the penalty box.
I just hope that they field Navas or Pedro on the right side. Navas is probably quicker and more technically gifted, while Pedro is a much better scorer, but out of form. It will be a tough choice.
Dropping Xavi or Alonso is crucial, as Spain will easily dominate posession and be well off without them, although they are important figures in the dressing room.
Despite winning La Liga, Alonso has not particularly had a great season and neither has Xavi and bringing on the fresher legs of Fabregas with more defensive duties as usual could be a real benefit.
Spain biggest problem is that they now don’t have a natural in-form poacher who can thrive on such pressure and, knowing how cautious all the teams will be, I can’t see many scenarios of them scoring.
I have two lineups proposals:
1. Cautious:
Casillas / Arbeloa – Ramos – Pique – Alba / Busquets – Xavi or Alonso – Iniesta / Silva – Navas or Pedro – Llorente
2. Self-conscious about their quality:
Casillas / Arbeloa – Ramos – Pique – Alba / Alonso or Xavi – Xavi or Fabregas – Iniesta / Silva – Navas or Pedro – Llorente
I apparently forgot about Mata. He might really be the man they need if played in a wider position.
Surely the loss of Puyol ensures that Alonso and Busquets play. Alonso gives the Spanish midfield a more direct option if necessary, whilst Busquets ensures solidity through the middle defensively. Width is necessary if Spain are not to fall in a similar fashion to Barcelona. Torres is key to their success. It is hard to see goals coming from anyone else. My guess is that someone will knock them out in the semis, probably Holland.
Alba will be very crucial. In the November friendly against England, he seemed very concerned about Theo Walcott’s pace on the counter, and therefore attacked only timidly.
He has to be a Dani Alves clone in order to ease the attacking burden for Spain.
excellent, excellent previews by ZM by the way. thank you.
————————–Casillas———————-
—–Ramos———–Pique———–Martinez—-Alba—
—————————Busquets———————
—————-Xavi————————————
————————————-Iniesta————
——Navas———————————Silva——-
—————————-Llorente——————–
That would be my team.
I think Iniesta and Silva both played great in Euro 2008, but Iniesta played as the inner triangle while either Torres or Villa would drop wide to the left. The big problem is the left side of the field: Pedro and Cazorla both offer great and more classic wide options, but both play on the right.
Y’know, I look at this lineup, and I remember watching Spain attempting to score without Villa on the pitch 2 years ago. And its not bright memories that spring to mind.
Spain’s group is not a bunch of pushovers, and they have to be very careful not to embarrass themselves.
My first point – everyone is overreacting about Pique’s form. While he hasn’t been as good as in 2010/11, he was by no means tragic and mostly played well throughout the season. Calls for starting Albiol, who has played 600 La Liga minutes this season and is behind 18 year old Varane in the pecking order, or Javi Martinez, who seems to concede a penalty every time I watch him play, are simply ludicrous.
My second point – Iniesta on the left is a waste, he’s good on the wing but he’s absolutely sensational in the middle. Plus there’s the factor of busquets-Xavi-Iniesta midfield, which has been the best midfield in the world for the last 4 years (some might even say the best ever). Starting those three in the centre is a no-brainer to me.
My third point – start Juanfran and drop Arbeloa. Alvaro is a fine defender but he offers no attacking threat down the right flank. Having busquets in midfield allows both full backs to play high up the pitch while retaining defensive solidity.
My fourth point – Spain have to play at least one true winger, ZM has pointed out that width will be crucial for Spain so I will not elaborate on that one. I would play Pedro on te left, he’s two footed so he can provide width and occasionally cut inside for direct goalscoring threat. My second choice would be Silva/Mata on the left, and Pedro/Navas on the right.
My fifth point – start Llorente (or even Negredo), instead of Torres. Torres is a striker who thrives in counterattacking sides, when he can use his pace to exploit space left behind by defence. It’s obvious that every side Spain will face will try to “park the bus” thus leaving no space for Torres to run into and making his biggest asset useless. I haven’t wathched Llorente much this year but I think he’s a better passer than Torres, which is important in Spain’s build up play, I remember Torres looking awkward on the ball in AVb’s system.
Concluding, this is my Spain lineup:
————-Llorente—————
Pedro———————-Silva/Mata
———————————-
——–Iniesta—–Xavi————
————-Sergio—————-
———————————
Alba—–Pique—–Ramos—-Juanfran
————Casillas—————-
Unsure on Mata/Silva, both are fantastic players who do a similar job so I’d decide that spot basing on form in training.
You make many good points here, especially the one on Torres.
I don’t know why people are complaining so much about Javi Martinez, as he has been sensational this season (right up there with Hummels, Thiago Silva, and Kompany as CBs of the season). You complain that he gives away penalties every time you see him, but you say you haven’t watched Llorente much this year, so…
Yes, he has given away a few penalties, but he is a great defender. I don’t think he should be starting instead of Pique, but I think he should be starting BESIDE Pique, with Ramos RB.
If Iraola was fit, this would be my team:
Casillas
Iraola – Ramos – Pique – Alba
Busquets-Martinez
Silva-Xavi-Iniesta
Llorente
Iraola and Alba are great wing backs who can give the width. It will allow the “wingers” to stay in more central areas (Silva and Iniesta going inside wouldn’t take away width).
However, Iraola is out. Juanfran is very good, but I’m thinking it might be a little risky. I wouldn’t start him against Italy, but I would definitely try him out to see how things go with him in the team. But if not, then it should be:
Casillas
Ramos – Martinez – Pique – Alba
Xavi – Busquets – Iniesta
Pedro/Navas – Llorente – Silva
If Ramos is at RB, he will be a lot more defensively secure (and just more defensive in general) than Jaunfran. Only one DM will be needed. Alba will still be providing the width from the left, so Silva won’t be responsible for hugging the touchline and can play his natural game. But you would need a winger on the right. I feel Navas’ crosses can be very dangerous if Llorente is playing, but overall Pedro is my favorite to start.
However, like you said, VDB is more about squad unity than anything. He will make chemistry and comfortability his top priority. Unfortunately, he will even keep certain players in the lineup when they don’t belong, simply for fear of any drastic change. Arbeloa has no place in Spain’s starting 11, but according to Graham Hunter, it’s almost a certainty he will be a starter. Also, I think Alonso should be dropped for various obvious reasons (yes, he has nice long passes, I realize that…), but there is absolutely no way that will happen.
Can someone explain what Xabi Alonso offers this Spain team? His only strength in my opinion is his long range passing, but the way most teams set up against Spain, very deep and defensive, this cancels that out. He’s pretty slow, his work rate isn’t great and he’s vulnerable to speed and movement. Furthermore, him playing breaks up the Xavi/Iniesta partnership, and also shunts Iniesta out wide into a position where he’s not effective.
For me, I can’t see why you wouldn’t go with the immense Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta trio. Such a shame David Villa is injured, I liked him on the left for Spain, similar to Pedro, Spain can do all that fancy, great to watch football, but without the likes of Pedro and Villa, they lack a bit of penetration, and that’s why I rate Villa and particularly Pedro so highly. As for Pedro being poor all season, think that’s a bit harsh. He wasn’t as productive as other seasons, but he still offered great pace and movement, and I’d say he’s the best presser in the Barcelona team, the way he presses from the front with speed and intensity is fantastic. His record of scoring in the big games is also very good, so it’s not exactly his fault the likes of Cuenca/Tello were prefered to him in the 2nd leg of the Semi Final, and also the final Classico.
I’d still have Spain as favorites though.
I have an idea even I think might be insane: play a 3-2-4-1 on offense that transitions to a 4-3-3 on defense. So, on offense, they play
Casillas
Ramos, Pique, Arbeloa/Alba
Busquets, Alonso
Silva, Xavi, Iniesta, Navas/Pedro
Llorente
The idea here is that it gets Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and Alonso on the field at the same time while providing left-sided interplay and width between iniesta and Navas/Pedro – note that the former will want to stay narrow and the latter can play wide and cross to Llorente, plus you have the attacking option of Alba on that side if you’re desperate for attack – while Silva cuts in from the right and can pass to Xavi, Iniesta or Llorente. One defense, they transition and play:
Ramos, Pique, Busquets, Arbeloa/Alba
Xavi, Alonso, Iniesta
Silva, Llorente, Navas/Pedro.
This is just a classic 4-3-3. Heck, they could just play this formation and give Busquets license to go forward from the CB position, or maybe play Alba instead of Arbeloa and give him license instead, having Busquets drop into the back three. The downside here is that it’s relatively narrow in midfield and only has width at the front, and even then mostly on the left. On the other hand, Ramos is pretty capable as a RB…
Playing Alonso as the sole DM is a complete joke
ZM, that’s a brilliant analysis, muchas gracias! And many of the comments suggest fascinating alternatives.
It seems that what we can all agree on is that Casillas and Iniesta are essential. Perhaps we should leave it to them: Casillas and Iniesta can be match-winners for Spain.
In any case, the Spain games will be delightful to watch, the height of footballing art.
If Spain play 4-5-1 with the midfield of busquets-alonso-xavi-iniesta-silva and negredo upfront i simply cant see them losing. That midfield 5 is astoundingly good one of the best in football history. your saying you cant play all ball players but these 5 are all different players and offer tremendous variety aswell as quality.
VDB should simply use 4-2-3-1 with Iniesta, Cesc and Silva as 3, it will definitely force Iniesta and Silva play wider, just like what they did in 2008. Busquets can play the Senna role behind Xavi. Alomso is unnecessary.
Spain will not win a thing, not only their midfield is too narrow and predictable, but they have also lost Villa and Puyol, which means they are weaker at both front and the back, Cheers!
Agree with most people here that Alonso needs to be taken out of the line-up. This would allow Iniesta to return to his best position in the centre of midfield, and also for Xavi to drop deeper where he is the most effective. If you have the two best central midfielders in the world (which I believe Xavi and Iniesta are) then simply play them as such, rather than moving them to accommodate a player more suited to a different style of play. Spain have proven themselves the best team in the world (and I think they will win this tournament), yet it is still frustrating to watch such a historic team and imagine how much better they could be if Alonso was taken out of midfield and replaced with a wide-player to stretch the opposition properly and give the others more space to operate.
This would be my lineup: Casillas, Arbeloa, Ramos, Pique, Alba, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Navas, Llorente.
Yeah, why not use the best 3 in that area (Iniesta-Busquets-Xavi). Well, Coach Del Bosque always told he was looking forward to making a balanced team. And by this he did mean he would not choose Barcelona and Madrid as the national team, because it would’nt be “national”. And I guess he selected that 4-2-3-1 because he plays that way and because he had to include “different club” players. If you play 4-3-3, I put Iniesta-Busquets-Xavi in there, and Silva-Pedro-Torres. So, basically it’s Barcelona. That’s what I think.
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—————llorente
—–iniesta—-fabregas——navas
—————–xavi
alba———-busquets———–arbeloa
———-ramos——pique
—————casillas
the end.
¡Hola! I come from November 16th, 2016. Today we played Poland. Our line-up was (will be?):
—————-Adrian—————-
Muniain——Iniesta———Navas
———Ramos—-Busquets——–
Alba–Pique–Martinez–Azpilicueta
—————Casillas—————-
Busquets becomes the future Xavi + Xabi. And Ramos becomes the Senna replacement we have long been lacking.
Fabregas deserves to play on form over the season? Have you watched Barcelona much this season?
Spain has the best middle players in the world. Xavi-Iniesta-Xabi Alonso-Busquets-Fabregas-Silva, and add Mata… come on!! Although too much brain in it, I think the same you wrote. Basically, it will depend on who takes the “rebel” yell. Seems too structured. Those players play short passes, slow ones, on first touch maybe. If this Spain had Messi, that’s what I try to say.
for all the good football they play, spain are less fluid, in my opinion, with Xabi Alonso on the field. great player no doubt, but i’d rather have Xavi sit deeper with Busquets, and the trio of Iniesta, Cazorla & Silva interchanging behind Llorente. its been widely accepted that Santi Cazorla will be Xavi’s successor in the national team, so you wouldn’t lose any fluidity if Santi plays higher, and Xavi dictating from behind. it suits both the players and the team quite well. Cazorla will offer the width Navas brings, along with the ability to recycle the ball and provide the killer pass.
with Puyol and Capdevila out, Spain’s width will come from the left with Alba, and defensive balance from the right. this will suit Busquets fine, and he won’t be overloaded defensively. very similiar to the 3-at-the-back situation at Barcelona.
——————Llorente—————-
Iniesta——Fabregas———Navas
———Busquets—-Alonso——–
Alba–Pique–Ramos–Albiol
—————Casillas—————-
Yes, No Xavi! In a 4-2-3-1, Fabregas is a better fit to play “in the hole” behind the striker with his forward runs than Xavi. While Alonso would provide better defensive cover and better extra long-rage passing/crossing as a defensive midfielder, than Xavi. So for the sake of the balance of the team, no Xavi. And I don’t think the defense is good enough to play with only one of Busquets or Alonso as the defensive midfielder.
Albiol has played a few games as a fullback for Madrid and Valencia, and at least one game (a Euro qualifier) as a right-back for Spain.
Albiol has looked sharp in the last 3 friendlies, while Arbeloa has looked tired. Albiol isn’t any slower than Arbeloa and isn’t any less attacking.
Juanfran would be too attacking. And if Martinez were to play in the centre, then all the centre defensive players (Pique, Martinez, Busquets, Alonso) would be slow players.
Of course, if Azpilicueta or Iraola had made the squad, they would have been the obvious first choice for RB.
Included Navas for the width. Since he has the most accurate crosses in La Liga 2011-2012, the next obvious step would be to include Llorente who has scored the most goals from headers for the past 3 consecutive seasons in La Liga.
Some other Spain related stats for your enjoyment that I have been “collecting” over the years:
Cazorla has the most goals from free kicks (and therefore, from outside the box) in La Liga this season.
David Silva and Juan Mata lead the EPL in assists with 15 and 13 respectively, and also lead in key passes per game. But in La Liga Ozil, Messi and Diego lead in key passes per game. Navas is the highest placed Spaniard at 4th.
Over the years, Xavi, Xabi, Fabregas, Silva, Villa, Arteta have all topped league assists charts.
Negredo has 8 goals in his last 10 matches (~830 minutes) for Sevilla, or one goal roughly every 100 minutes of play.
Torres has 4 goals for Chelsea in his last 10 matches (~490 minutes), or one goal every 145 minutes.
Soldado has 2 goals for his club in his last 10 matches(~810 minutes), or one goal every 405 minutes.
Llorente has 3 in his last 10 games (~670 minutes) or approximately one every 220 minutes.
David Villa scored 20 or more goals in 10 consecutive seasons. He also has topped the assists chart once but never won the Pichichi.
Casillas has conceded 0 goals in all the major finals (2 CL, WC, Euro, CdR) he has played.
Spain has conceded 0 goals in the KO stages of Euro ‘08 and WC ‘10.
During Spain’s 35 match unbeaten streak, they conceded only 11 goals. When those goals were conceded, one of either Puyol or Casillas or both was not on the pitch.
In competitive matches since October 2006 (5+ years) Spain have lost only 2 games, vs. the USA and Switzerland, and drawn with only Italy (Spain won on penalties) and Iceland.
I haven’t verified each of them myself. But I think most are true.
Heh i thought ramos was having problems with pique and barca co, it will be interesting to see them working together.
Ramos struggled. Pique looked better but still slightly disinterested. Arbeloa was average but that was expected. Alba was solid though.
Great call about Silva hurting Spain. Any chance they place Llorente up top, swap Navas in for Silva, and finally, put Cesc in for Alonso?