Real Madrid 2-1 Bayern Munich: Bayern through on penalties

The starting line-ups
Bayern Munich will face Chelsea in the final, after overcoming Real Madrid at the Bernabeu.
Jose Mourinho made one change from the first leg – at left-back, where Fabio Coentrao was left out after a difficult game in Munich, and Marcelo came in.
Jupp Heynckes kept the same team from the first leg, in roughly the same formation.
This game started brilliantly, but became increasingly cautious and then needed penalties to settle it. It was a very odd game with no overall pattern, so rather than the usual match overview, here’s ten disparate points:
1. Lack of shape
The start of this game was bizarrely open, with neither side retreating into a good defensive shape and none of the midfielders looking to put their foot on the ball and slow the tempo. Therefore, the game was like a basketball match, flowing from end to end with no breaks between attacks. The main culprits were the wingers – Angel Di Maria and Cristiano Ronaldo were told to watch the opposition full-backs rather than get back and help their full-backs deal with the Bayern wingers, (though Mesut Ozil eventually drifted back onto Luiz Gustavo to help out in the centre). Similarly, Arjen Robben stayed high up the pitch, and for Ronaldo’s second goal – the only goal of the night from open play – he was on the other flank, leaving Philipp Lahm 1 v 2 against Ronaldo and Marcelo – Lahm made a wrong move out to Marcelo and left Ronaldo free.
2. Half-time changes
No substitutions, but a complete change in mentality. At 2-1, and with the game evenly-balanced, both coaches probably said the same thing to their players at half time: defend deeper, get more men behind the ball, and exploit the weaknesses of the opposition on the break. Unfortunately, since both sides did this at the same time, we were left with a lifeless, slow game. Three goals in the opening 45 minutes were followed by none in the final 75, when there was little creativity on show, primarily because the attacking players were getting less space – as a result of their opposite numbers helping out more at the back. This applied in particular on the wings, where these players became increasingly disciplined but having little energy to break.
3. Kroos control
Like in the first game, Toni Kroos was the key player here. He interpreted his ‘free’ role very nicely, moving back into the midfield to make a 3 v 2 when Ozil was still high up, and helped bypass the two Real holding players. Then, he moved forward and provided balls from between the lines and out wide, from where he created more chances than any other player. His final pass wasn’t always accurate, but the simple intelligence of his positioning – both providing numerical supremacy in the centre and a creative spark in the final third – meant he was very useful to Bayern, and it was again the correct decision from Heynckes to start him rather than Thomas Muller.

4. Gomez deep
Mario Gomez’s link-up play was good – he dropped deep away from Sergio Ramos and Pepe, contributing to build-up play and encouraging Robben and Franck Ribery to make runs past him, towards goal. Ramos and Pepe generally stayed in position and let him drop deep unattended. However, it was Gomez’s traditional job, as a poacher, that he didn’t do so well – he missed the best chance of the game at 2-1.
5. Di Maria v Alaba
The most obvious ball-playing tactic was from Real Madrid, who kept Di Maria wide, told Xabi Alonso to launch the ball out to him, and the Argentina isolated David Alaba 1 v1. The left-back had enjoyed a good game in the first leg, but did look nervous here. The early penalty came from this approach (although the pass out to Di Maria was from Marcelo, and Alaba can hardly be blamed for conceding the penalty).

6. Dribbles
Bayern conceded possession too cheaply when their wide players dribbled forward with the ball, which was particularly surprising as they often managed to isolate their opponents in 1 v 1 situations.

7. No natural wingers
Part of the problem with the wide players was their perennial desire to come inside into the centre of the pitch, where the holding players could provide cover. This was a problem for both sides – Robben and Ribery came into the middle, Ronaldo stayed up and cut onto his right foot, while Di Maria drifted infield to see more of the ball. Aside from a very brief spell from Robben on the left – from where he created that chance for Gomez – there was no-one stretching the play. Mourinho’s decision to use central players from the bench (Esteban Granero, Kaka, Gonzalo Higuain) rather than speedy winger Jose Callejon was a big surprise.
8. Status Quo
On that note, neither coach really made any significant tactical changes. Everything was roughly like-for-like. Consequently, after things were calmed down at half-time, the game never really progressed tactically.
9. Fouls
Bayern committed over twice as many fouls as Real Madrid, despite enjoying 55% of possession. Luiz Gustavo managed to commit nine fouls before he was shown a yellow card – the majority of fouls were in non-threatening positions, often tactical, and helped to break up Real’s rhythm – d although it did allow Ronaldo a couple of free-kick opportunities.

10. Coin toss?
Bayern went first in the penalty shoot-out. As outlined in the book Soccernomics, the side taking the first penalty wins 60% of shoot-outs.






I know it’s easy to say this with hindsight, but I can’t understand Ramos taking the penalty over Higuain (or even Granero.) Very surprising that Mourinho made no real tactical changes until late on (with Kaka coming on.) They really struggled to impose themselves on the game and lacked something of a spark.
I agree. I think Benzema and Ozil should have been replaced sooner, with Higuain’s class and Callejon’s pace added. Mourinho played it safe, played the percentages and lost, credit to Bayern getting to enjoy a home final.
I agree that it was surprising that Özil wasn’t substituted earlier because he gets always substituted well before 90′ minute (I think he usually plays something like 60-75 minutes) and now he played 111 minutes even though he really looked exhausted after an hour or so.
Shouldn’t four of the five “off target” penalties in the final stat box be “on target-saved”?
I think a fair evaluation of this game is that Real Madrid lost it, rather than Bayern winning it. With the home advantage they were too scared of the Bayern attack, and too scared of conceding another away goal that would force them to score two. It really all came down to a penalty that will give Ramos nightmares for a few months…
No one ever gives us any credit. Had Gomez or Robben had even average finishing it would’ve been a route instead of a nervy match (let alone Madrid’s two controversial goals).
They said the same things after we beat United, say the same things about Germany at the WC, and who is winning? We can only beat the crappy expensive teams put in front of us, you know!
In the shootout, 4/5 takers for Bayern were homegrown players, the first kick taken by 19-year old Alaba suspended for the final. Very happy with that, and Neuer has now been huge in two shootouts and already paid off his transfer fee.
Gomez should be the odds on favorite to win the Ballon d’OR. Bayern are favorites in the CL and I’d put my money on Germany in Europe this year.
i can imagine gomez to be a startet for germany. klose still has the edge…
Can’t really see Gomez playing over Klose if he is fit.
messi will win it again. 63 goals already this season, 14 in the UCL. he won the ballon d’or in 2010 when barca were knocked out of the UCL semifinals and had an uninspiring world cup. so messi for sure.
Messi won’t win it. He will only get the Copa del Rey at best, and Barca may not even beat Bilbao for that trophy. CR7 will have La Liga and likely the Pichichi and European Golden Shoe, while either Chelsea or Bayern will have CL. Either way, unless Gomez scores in both the CL final and the Euro2012 Final and both Bayern and Germany win, I don’t see him even having a chance. It’s really between Messi and Ronaldo.
Think of Sneijder in 2010, he won a treble and got to the WC final, after single-handedly beating Brazil, and he still coudln’t make the top 3 for the Balon D’or that year. He was more deserving than Messi in many eyes, but because of Messi winning La Liga and goals scored, he won.
Now CR7 will have La Liga, Pichichi, and European Golden Shoe, and if he can take Portugal past Netherlands and Germany, I see him winning it.
Messi has a chance to win it but only if he surpasses Gerd Muller’s goalscoring record, meaning he needs at least 4 more goals. He can’t play in the Euro so has no opportunity to redeem himself there.
Ronaldo doesn’t have a greater chance at it than Messi either, though. RM is out of the CL just like Barcelona, and Messi’s goalscoring talent is about 10 goals ahead of Ronaldo’s in all competitions, plus he scored 14 in the CL and is still likely to be the top scorer unless Gomez scores a hat-trick against Chelsea. So I just don’t see how Ronaldo has the edge, unless of course he does great for Portugal, but that is extremely unlikely as Portugal just isn’t that good.
I think with Bayern likely to win the CL, Robben or Gomez will win the Ballon d’Or, depending on how each perform for their respective national team in the Euro.
Yeah, Messi might get it just cause he’s the best in the world but after 3 straight wins voters get weary. They want something really special.
I don’t mean to take credit away, Bayern is a class organisation and the players deserved the win. Was very impressed with Alaba stepping up to take the first penalty, definitely someone to watch for the future.
I just expected to see more from Madrid.
Why though? Just what have Real Madrid done to deserve a reputation as one of the Europe’s best sides despite not having won anything but an FA Cup in recent years?
Bayern are a side that has not only done very well domestically in a more competitive league, it’s also reached two CL finals in the last three years. This whole situation is eerily similar to 1999-2001 when, again, Bayern dominated the competition for years and seemingly only got the credit once all their star players retired.
Exactly. What has Madrid really done in CL? All the teams they faced before were not even in the top 6 in the UEFA coefficient this season. Bayern were the only real challenge they faced and they failed miserably over the two legs except that first 20 minutes when Bayern’s defence was all over the place. Alaba couldn’t do anything about that penalty and the second goal was avoidable. Gomez and Robben should have finished their chances. It’s amazing people are letting Mou get away with his excuse of tired players when they were roasting Pep for not having plan B. Bayern deserves the CL this season and I really can’t see them loosing to Chelsea unless Chelsea’s luck still holds for them.
As a Madrid fan the only logical explanation as to why R.M where favorites is because they have a bigger fan base. Dont they say in Germany that only Bayern F.C fans like Bayern F.C?
No. Bayern were the better side in both legs. They won this tie.
Real Madrid did well in the early stages of the first half when they got the first 2 goals before fading in the game but Bayern can’t really claim to be the better team IMO – both sides didn’t play particularly well though they were both well organized at the back. Real Madrid do look tired, especially when the final whistle was blown, you could see Ronaldo and Marcelo slumped to the ground. What cost Real Madrid the tie was Pepe’s needless foul on the Bayern player( Gomez?) despite him not having the ball. That led to the penalty which evened the tie and forced an already exhausted Real Madrid to chase for the killer goal.
My earlier post is referring to the second leg itself but that said Bayern did well to win in the first leg. IMO Real played the first leg with the weekend’s Clasico in mind and didn’t really give their best shot. If they had gone to kill the tie in the first leg the result of the second leg wouldn’t have mattered.
On your second post- that’s all pure conjecture. Ok, I’ll say it: it’s nonsense. I understand you’re an upset Madrid fan but quit looking for cheap excuses. It’s not becoming.
Qwe,
For the record, I am a Man U fan for 9 years so the result of the RM vs Bayern match doesn’t bother me. Plus all my posts regarding the match from a neutral perspective since I’m watching as a neutral. My second post basically agrees with your point that Bayern were the better side in the first leg. I do tactical analysis for matches as a regular hobby. In the case of my second post, I was analyzing the off-the-pitch factors that led to Real’s first leg result against Bayern. You may dismiss them as nonsense, but comparing Real’s performance against Bayern in the first leg and their performance against Barca, you can’t rule out the possibility that Real was reserving their strength for the Barca game in the first leg against Bayern. Keep in mind that in the previous few games Real dropped points against Villareal and Malaga with fatigue stated as a reason. In order to analyze a match, off-the-pitch factors must be considered as well.
Regarding your second post…
“Bayern controlled the game”
Not really to me. It was an even game and neither side dominated.I felt that both Bayern’s and Real’s defencea cancelled each other’s attacks. Midfield from both sides didn’t dominate as well, though Bayern’s midfield did well to cover their back 4.
Madrid could only be said to be better in the 1st 15-20 minutes. In the rest of the match, Bayern were better. Bayern may have not been great but they were the better side overall today- they created more chances and controlled the play(despite being the away side). The only thing that let them down was their finishing.
Qwe, don’t you recall Bayern giving the ball away an awful lot? I was really neutral regards this semi-final, but I think there are signs that both the Spanish giants had their eye on their next match instead of the game in hand. Barcelona played the first leg with the Clasico in mind, and the Clasico with the second leg in mind!
When you look through the teams at the quality, I think it’s plain to see that Barcelona and Real Madrid are the two best club teams in the world. I think La Liga really compromised their Champions League progress this year – yes, Real look tired, but Barca moreso.
I’ll also be a neutral for the final, but I know it’s not between the two best teams in Europe.
You can’t draw arbitrary points in time to create an unfair sample. It would be like me claiming Bayern dominated the tie because of the last fifteen minutes of the first leg, and the rest didn’t really matter since Gomez’s goal put Bayern in the driving seat or whatever. A match lasts 90 minutes. In this case, 120. Being the better team for 20 minutes just means you were outplayed by your opponent for 100 minutes! Bayern particularly in the second half could’ve gambled and tried to force a goal, and considering their control of tempo probably would’ve (as it was, Gomez should’ve ended the tie in regulation with Casillas to beat, but took extra touch).
I’m not sure why you’d expect to see so much more from Madrid. They’ve been trounced in Clasico after Clasico, only winning in regular time once, in which Barcelona already had a four-point disadvantage and thus were effectively chasing from the opening whistle. In the CL this year Bayern won the “Group of Death” at a canter even against the billionaires, while Madrid’s strongest opponent thusfar has been … one of Ajax, Lyon, and Moscow! Madrid are flat track bullies. Very good ones, but I don’t think many will honestly believe they looked equals of Bayern in either match.
If anything the tactical lesson of this tie is that teamplay wins games. Madrid were a broken team, with half the team disinterested in defending. For Bayern only Robben was really a liability.
When theres a dispute, just look at the stats. Bayern out-passed (both number and accuracy wise), out-possessed, out-shot Madrid in both halfs of both games.
I agree, Bayern are/were the better side. Real Madrid have Ronaldo and Mourinho who get a lot of publicity (which they fully deserve) but they probably aren’t at the same level as their reputation just yet. Give them another season and it might be different!
Interesting match. I’d like to note, when RM is outnumbered in the midfield like tonight with Kroos moving deep, they usually tend to sit back and try to exploit the counter. Nevertheless, awful performance from Madrid in the second half, especially for a match in their home ground, i’m wondering what was Mourinho thinking when he substituted Benzema for Higuain, instead of Callejon (to exploit tired full-backs).
Anyway, this is the most exciting and unpredictable CL campaign of the last decade, i’m waiting forward for the final.
It’s hard, for me, to keep track of all threads of comments but I often agree with your insights and, if I recall, you said that Barca should revert to a traditional 4-3-3 shape to make more sense of Dani Alves. I am afraid Bayern’s mimicry worked well over the two matches, and Toni Kroos is very surprising–a player in the mold of Vidal, perhaps, and Ramsey or Boateng. There’s something strangely withdrawn about Mourinho at Madrid, like somebody who does not want to break the silence other than for the boiling water in the iron kettle.
It’s funny. I still think RM and Barca are superior to Bayern and Chelsea. If RM was matched up against Chelsea, I’m sure they’d go through and if Barca was matched against Bayern, I’m sure they’d go through.
Bayern and Chelsea just happen to match up well against their draws.
Bayern definitely deserves to go through as they were the better team in both matches.
Chelsea, I’d say got very lucky with Barca hitting the post 6 times and giving up so many chances but they were able to capitalize on Pep’s awful defense which gives up a goal on 1/3 counterattacks. Especially in the 2nd leg Pep was a nut to play a 3 man defense in the 2nd leg when it’s failed consistently throughout the year.
Before the draw was made I thought Chelsea had the best chance to knock Barca out in a two legged semi final, I wouldn’t have fancied Chlesea against Real or Bayern. But I think Bayern are probably better than Real at the moment and deserved finalists.
Yes, i said that. 3-4-3 killed us this season, especially in away matches when 99% of time, the opposing team was breaking out of counter exploiting our non-existing full backs (see @ Osasuna), the same happened in London last week with Ramires exploitation of our weak left side (Alves was essentially a right winger), as well as last night, when Pep decided to pack 3 defenders against one striker, leaving Alves out (at least, until Pique’s injury). It simply cannot work against tight sides, you ‘ll need a constant overlapping outlet, and 3-4-3 definitely won’t provide it to you.
Kroos is more of a Pirlo, than a Boateng or Vidal, imo. He’s technical, he’s consistent with his passing, but he’s not fast nor physical. That’s why he produces his best when in deep positions as shown tonight, where he linked really well with Gustavo and Schweini, helping dictate the flow against heavy pressure from RM midfield.
Agreed, I really enjoyed watching kroos, a real rolls-royce footballer. His cross/pass for the gomez penalty descision displayed both quality and remarkable vision.
Has Kroos always played in a relatively deeper role? For some strange reason, I thought he was an attacking midfielder—perhaps not as persistently attack-minded as Müller but attacking nonetheless.
He has played in both positions, even in the same match – see 1st leg.
I was very impressed last night, especially in the first half as he just seemed to float around the pitch nothing ‘Hollywood’ just great attacking passing.
Therefore I am annoyed he isn’t suspended for the final…!
Germany Team Manager Löw describes him best as an “in between player”. For a 10 he is coming from too deep, for a 6 he is too offensive. He quite regularly plays then together with Özil on the 10, which gives a lot of offensive power.
For obvious reasons I am happy he will be in the Final….
In Bayern he is playing both roles, depending on Heynckes system in the Match (i.e. with or w/o Müller)
I always get the impression that Mourinho is just in some sort of exile at Madrid waiting out the days until Sir Alex steps down at United.
Yes, he wants the Manchester United job, I’m not sure the owners want him though!
Unpredictable? Did you not see the 2004 CL?
A question from an ignorant Englishman, but who will likely be Bayern’s backups for the suspended defenders in the final?
Either van Buyten or Tymoshchuk, I guess.
I can’t see them fielding Contento in a CL final.
The best bet for replacing Alaba is Rafinha.
Most likely Tymoschtschuk will be center back and Kroos (for Gustavo) moves back next to Schweinsteiger and Müller plays behind Gomez.
Rafinha in for Alaba, with Lahm moving over to left-back
Tymoshchuck in for Gustavo
And maybe Van Buyten in for Badstuber (though that would be a big risk with Van Buytens lack of pace and Bayern probably playing a high line against Chelsea.)
Tymoschuk could play in place of Gustavo, who’s also suspended. Or Kroos could drop back there and Muller could start in his place. Bayern are not a very deep team but fortunately for them, Chelsea face similar handicaps.
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Contendo could replace David Alaba (how cool did he scored the frist penalty? he is just 19 years old! …IMO he couldn’t do much when he caused the first penalty, tough shot and his arm went to the ground to dampen his fall…) or Lahm swaps side and Rafinha plays on the right. Badstuber is harder to replace as van Buyten still recovers from injury and Gustavo is also out due to his yellow card … Thymoshchuk might be an option as he played this role before…
They’ll have a hard time to replace Badstuber and Alaba. Badstuber was Bayern’s best defender this season. Van Buyten, who was a starting centre back for the first half of the season (and played okayish) is still in recovery from injury. I doubt he’ll play the final. That makes Anatoliy Tymoshchuk the first choice as substitute. He occasionally played as centre back but normally competes with Guastavo for a spot in miedfield. Breno will not play.
Bayern has chronic problems at left back and Alaba was to be considered a solution. With him out, either Lahm could be switched back to left back and Rafinha brought in as right back. That was how it was originally planned at the beginning of the season but Rafinha somehow disappointed although he was very good in his Schalke days. But that solution would in my opinion still be better than bring in Contento or Pranjic as left back. They’re just awful.
Without Gustavo in midfield and Anatoliy Tymoshchuk needed as centre back, Kroos will probably play alongside Schweinsteiger with Müller playing behind Gomez. Of course, that’ll make Bayern less stable defensively but it’s probably better than playing Pranjic alongside Schweinsteiger.
All in all, Bayern may have even more problems to replace their missing players than Chelsea as their squad isn’t really deep.
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I don’t think so, yes, it is a big loss that Badstuber can’t play, but we don’t expect Chelsea attacking too much? … Thymoshchuck might be a really good option if Bayern has to play higher…
Personally, I feel that Chelsea may not have much choice but to play fairly attacking. Their personnel may force them to play an attacking game. They may need to play Mikel in defense given their lack of fit and available defenders, leaving them with Lampard, Essien, Mata, Malouda as first team midfield options. Pretty difficult to set that group out in too defensive a shape.
I feel Di Matteo will really have to shoehorn players in if he wants to play the defensive style they’ve featured in recent games. Interestingly the smart move might be to play a AVB style pressing game. With no fit center-halves they’ll likely be featuring midfielders and fullbacks in those positions making for a very mobile, ball-playing side. Might be time for Chelsea’s year to come full circle.
Respectfully disagree. Chelsea are missing Terry, Ivanović, Meireles, and Ramires. They don’t know whether either Cahill or Luiz will recover in time, so that essentially leaves Chelsea without any central defenders. Without Meireles and Ramires, Chelsea’s midfield cannot press effectively; Lampard does not have the legs for it, and Mikel and Romeu are uncomfortable playing higher up the pitch. Come final time, Chelsea will have no defence and no midfield, and running on sheer desire alone can only work for so long. They did well to beat Barcelona, but ultimately that tie cost them too much.
Chelsea don’t press…maybe under AVB but certainly not under Di Matteo. And Meireles has had a pretty good run of form lately but Chelsea can just plug in Michael Essien in the same role. Ramires missing the final hurts but they still have options in either Kalou or Sturridge,
… I guess this question is answered ..:)
It got me mad how before the tie, everyone said stuff like, “If Madrid are at their best, they will win,” as if Madrid is obviously a better team than Bayern. It’s obviously not true. Both teams are fantastic, and arguments can be made on both sides about which team is better. Honestly, I believe that if both teams are fit and on form, Bayern Munich is the slightly better team right now.
For these specific matches, overall, Bayern Munich deserved to go through, as they were the better team at home, and were probably the better team at the Bernabeu. When Bayern’s attack ran out of steam, their defense held on and limited Madrid to a couple half chances. Talking about the best teams in the world, Bayern Munich have to be mentioned along with Madrid and Barcelona. Sorry, don’t consider Chelsea one of the top 4 teams in Europe, but they also do deserve their place in the finals.
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its not that ignorant to ask that, because we really are out of defenders. Van Buyten probably wont make it to the final, Badstuber, Luiz Gustavo and Alaba also out. I think Tymoschtuk will play at CB along with Boateng, Lahm going at LB, Rafinha RB and Kroos and Schweinsteiger in central midfield. Very offense, but we really have no other choice.
Well if Luiz and Cahill don’t get fit Chelsea might have a back line of Cole-Essien-Bosingwa-Ferriera with youth teamers on the bench.
Really annoying, that we are not able to see both teams at their best.
Yeah the UEFA rules may be changed next year (ought to be really). Its not like the players (yellow) suspended on either side were committing vicious fouls, either. Badstuber and Gustavo mistimed tackles, Alaba was called on a contentious handball, and I think the Chelsea suspensions were for tactical fouls if I remember right.
The only player who has really earned a suspension is John Terry.
Gustavo was more the number of fouls (I counted 7, ZM 9), and Badstuber’s was a pretty bad tackle, but your point is spot on regardless. As a center back or holding midfielder in this era a suspension is only a matter of time. And to have it cost you a final…
Red cards are obviously a different matter (though as a Chelsea supporter I think we might be better without Terry. Provided Cahil and Luiz are fit)
What do people think about a potential rule change? As Trunken notes, we want to see the finalists at their best. Perhaps every player gets a clean slate for yellow cards in the knockout rounds. If they get booked either 2 or 3 times in the following matches then a one match suspension.
I disagree. It’s a squad game, and the players know the rules. If they’re allowed to ride their cards and get a “get out of jail free” to the final, then that simply incentives them to commit fouls to help ensure they make it to the final. If you remove the consequences, the game will get dirtier.
Disagree, it challenges depth and rightly punishes play bordering on the cynical.
Depth is only a luxury of millionaire clubs, and UEFA is putting in the financial fair play, soon teams will be losing that depth. I think it is unfair to teams who play well but doesn’t have the money to feed a bench like Manchester City. If the World Cup cleans yellow cards,I dont see why CL cant do it.
For me, it is fair, fair that is to the teams/players NOT going to the finals. The rule is on the books to encourage open play in the knockout stages, and perhaps one of the losing teams might have made it if not for a few tactical challenges or bad tackles.
Think of what a some of these matches might look like if players didn’t have to worry about yellow card accumulation–number of fouls up/amount of flowing, attacking play down.
It is a shame, and the current system does need to be changed but you still need to have a deterrent to fouling. I tend to be more forgiving of non dangerous tackles that go wrong than tactical fouling.
I’m not sure what would happen to the game if all tactical fouls were met with straight yellow cards. Not being able to foul certainly limits your ability to stop breaks against you.
The current rules are ridiculous and people who think it is fair need a reality check.
3 yellow cards over 12 games to miss a CL final is outrageous especially with the way some refs throw around yellow cards these days.
I’m not against yellow card bans but they should clean the slate after the group stages/ first knockout round or maybe even individually when a player goes for a certain amount of games (something like 3-5) without getting carded.
Including qualification Bayern had 14 CL matches so far. Collecting 3 yellow cards in 14 matches is not such a bad record that a player should deserve to be punished so severely that he is losing out on a final.
Still you can’t give players a clean slate at some point and have them foul their way into that final round.
My recommendation: Once you have reached the semi-final, make it 4 yellows to miss out on the final. If somebody manages to get booked in both semi-final legs (and was on two yellows already) he will deservedly miss the final.
Bayern controlled the game in the second half don’t you agree?
And even when they were dominated in the first 15 minutes they always got a chance when moving forward. Robbens sitter only the most dramatic miss.
Overall the question is if this Real team is as good as everyone thinks it is? It seems to be a quite broken team with huge gaps in midfield therefore the defense struggles a lot when facing good opponents like today.
“Special one” is only selfdeclared special one
Interestingly, Jose never called himself “the special one”. He referred to other managers who had won the European Cup and then pointed out that he had also won a European Cup (this was after he won at Porto and came to Chelsea).
Then he said “I don’t wish to sound arrogant, but I am a special one”. The use of the words “a special one” means that there are others as well and in the context of the question he implied that every manager who has won a European Cup/Champions League is special.
Remember he said he “is a special one”, not he “is the special one”. He pluralised the article, and he never singularised it! The media have always reported this incorrectly, and to be fair Jose is not likely to correct them!
…glad you sorted this out
thx for this… good explination, I didn´t know this… but like you said “and to be fair Jose is not likely to correct them!”
People make FAR too much of this special one proclomation. He said it 8 years ago and upon joining Inter renounced it. It’s just a tired creaking media narrative.
This madrid are probably the weakest cup-team mourinho ever managed,he wanted to win league so he made the real madrid really attacking minded but not better at defense,well he got his la liga title,but i doubt he will win champions league with this squad.
good point
…they lost in a penalty shoot out, so IMO it was very close … if both teams are so strong you need these lucky moments that make the difference…
…different story with Barca, leading 2-0 and the other side 1 man down I guess a few players lost their focus… how easily could they have bring it home?
They lost the penalty shootout because of their bad conditioning. Bayern players were definitely more fresh and mentally stronger after extra time, it played a huge role in tonight’s outcome. (Madrid played against Barca only a few days earlier, when most of Bayern’s key players were rested in their league match prior to semi-final).
Plus, who choose Ramos as an early taker, instead of Benzema or Higuain?
… the fact that RM had to play the Clasico a few days before was definitely an advantage for Bayern as they could focus 100% on this game and I expected them fresher… it is hard to stay focused with too many important games in a short period…
I think it had an effect on both the Spanish sides. Plus add the fact that they traveled (round trip) last week and it explains Barca’s lack of focus and Real’s obvious lack of energy late in the game. Especially as the first half today was really frantic end to end action. The computer who chose the date of the Clasico is really at fault here
Bayern played a key title decider against Dortmund the midweek before the first leg. Maybe Bayern only won that match 2-1 because they were fatigued from the Bundesliga
? Could’ve just called off the second leg considering the result. Bayern also lost that match whereas Madrid could call on the morale off their victory in the Clasico. But I forgot, the narrative of Spanish exceptionalism must continue even when the actual teams fall short.
Besides, with all that heavy spending and super deep-squads (seriously, Barcelona’s second string is probably marginally better than Chelsea’s team yesterday; Madrid’s second string outfield provided fitness is Altintop,Carvalho,Albiol,Coentrao; Sahin, Diarra; Callejon, Kaka, Ronadlo; Higuain) there shouldn’t be much excuse. Chelsea’s squad is decimated in every sense of the word, they too played rivals Arsenal on weekend, and Bayern’s backups are mostly youth academy products instead of Galactico benchwarmers.
Barcelona forgot that the pitch has wings and instead chose to play ball-hog against a team that didn’t want the ball, and Real Madrid couldn’t keep up with Bayern’s tempo-setting.
The ultimate reasons for their defeat are really simple: They scored less goals than their opponents (or had 150 million euro plus worth of galactico flub penalties).
@Cogito
…not totally correct: Bayern played Dortmund on Wendesday, 11.04, and for the Saturday match against Mainz (0:0) they spared some players for the coming first leg against RM …
…so in a way their loss against Dortmund gave them a more convinient time schedule allowing them to spare players for both legs… nothing wrong with it, Heynkes would be stupid not taken advantage of it…
We can’t forget that the squad is very young (only two players older than 30 were on the pitch today, Xabi Alonso and Casillas) and players such as Marcelo still need time to mature defensively.
Carvalho is past it, and I think a position of priority in the summer is centre-back and right-back. Arbeloa is a steady player, but someone who offers more of a threat offensively while remaining defensively sound would be a massive boost. Albiol is no more than a bench player, and I’d like to see a central defender like Thiago Silva arrive and replace Pepe, who is too erratic for my liking. Varane is the future, and his development will be crucial to future success.
A natural right winger, someone like Jesus Navas, would be a great addition to help stretch that side of the field when we need it (like today). Or Jose could trust Callejon a bit more as he develops.
There really aren’t that many full-backs in the world who can offer attacking threat and defend competently. The ones that do exist are probably worth their weight in platinum. Besides, Ramos plays decently at right back. Why splash out an extra €15-20 million on someone new?
Please also look at the age of the Bayern Squad. Oldest player on the pitch was Franck Ribery, and he had his 29th Birthday 2 weeks ago. 6 of the 12 players used were younger than 25, youngest Alaba with 19……
I can not see this argument count…..
Mourinho plays attacking football with Real because he is forced to do so. When he arrived in Madrid, the fans, the press and all the Real people were screaming out loud because of his strong reputation (and success) for defensive football. He had to commit in public to attacking football, and after the first games the newspapers were screaming already. He had to change to attacking game, otherwise he would have been fired after year one.
Well, and another thing is that he wanted to proof that he is able to create an attacking side.
I even think that he won the last Clasico, because he showed his defnsive skills. But his problem against Bayern was that his current Real side is really struggling against a very offensive side with 2 dangerous wingers like Rib and Rob plus a striker like Gomez. Most other sides have one striker and maybe one dangerous winger. The Bayern system on the other hand works only well if both Rib and Rob are fit and if both work also to the back – as they did in teh CL season this year.
is this enough evidence that mourinho can never get his teams to impose their game on a technically equal team? there was no spark whatsoever from real, oezil managed some good skills ON the ball, but besides that they had no movement or fluidity in anything they attempted. both their goals were from fortuitous circumstances (ignoring the cliche of every goal needing luck) and not from any genuine tactical brilliance.
hoofing the ball to di maria and expecting him to attack a speedy fullback like alaba is a plan C strategy, it cannot be the primary avenue for attack.
mourinho can form a solid defensive shape, as can almost any coach in Serie A and B. but truly great coaches are the ones that can have their teams play effective football while dominating an equal team through mechanisms of offensive movement and intelligence, ideas that cannot be attributed to any mourinho team.
at the end of the day, mourinho didn’t have the cajones to commit numbers forward nor create passing patterns to gain control of the match; in a home game with everything on the line it is absolutely unacceptable. his gutless strategy, or lack thereof, will not work at this level. his limitations in offensive strategy have been laid bare for everybody to see, and unfortunately, for nobody to acknowledge.
I agree with you mate. With an outstanding attacking squad at his disposal one would expect more of attacking strategies/plays rather than depending on defensive ones. I think Mourinho should accept that clubs like Real Madrid, who have always believed in playing and winning by outscoring their opponents rather defending the leads, can’t defend like the teams he has coached earlier. Madrid scored 109 goals this season and their assistant coach lashed at all those who called Mourinho a defensive coach. But I think that this number was attained more because of amazing talent the team has and general dip in quality of the 18 other teams in La Liga and less due to Mourinho. I am not saying that the coach had nothing to do with this number but IMO any other coach would have made got to this number with the current squad although with not so ease. For this reason alone I don’t see Mourinho landing up a Man Utd job, if at all he was ever considered, atleast at the present time. I won’t be surprised if Madrid sack Mourinho(although it’s quite unlikely).
I still think that the weekend classico took its toll on both Barcelona and Real Madrid (physically and mentally) who couldn’t focus on a single game, with them thinking about the next match rather than the present one. In short Spanish FA was responsible for their own top teams’ exit from CL. It’s like they don’t even think while deciding their schedules. No wonder PL still remains the most watched league worldwide. But the Chelsea and Bayern were superb in both ties, nothing to take away from them.
I don’t think its fair to blame spanish FA for the scheduling. If anything the Spanish FA did the right thing to not practice favouritism over Real and Barca so that the whole league is more competitive. Chelsea also had a big game with Arsenal inbetween, and these two teams could very likely be fighting for the title instead of the Manchesters. The Bremen Bayern game would also be important if Bayern is still fighting for the title. Sometimes you just cant ask for too much, Madrid winning the La Liga is good achievement enough, but they are just not good enough to compete on all fronts. If they didn’t blow that 11 pt lead over Barca, they would be fielding their B team last weekend.
Could this be the final that gets the yellow card rule changed? The amount of players missing will border on ridiculous. Drogba must be licking his lips to be going up against the Bayern D minus Badstuber, not to mention Ribery’s thoughts about going up against Bosingwa…
That idiotic rule should have been changed decades ago. Even the idiots at FIFA did something about keeping the best players available for the final in wiping away YC after group stages, now a player needs to be booked in all of the knockout games to be suspended for the final, that rarely happens. But the morons at UEFA still keep this dumb rule. Hell suspend them for 2 games the following season if you want, let the best players play. If I was the head of UEFA, I would immediately allow all the suspended players to play this final (except for Terry, but not just because he got a red, but because he’s an insufferable idiot and he let his team down, real captain there, moron).
Surprised that you didn’t mention away goals as one of the points, given that you’ve written an article on how the rule can kill off attacking intent in certain situations.
Ditto the above two comments – from my POV the away goal not being in play at 3-3 on aggregate reminded us of what a great rule it is – compare to the Barca game.
The yellow card suspensions are an established and consistent rule of course but I am starting to agree with Andrew & ZM that maybe the rule has to go for the final. It will be a shame to have so many key players missing from that game.
Crazy game that one. Can’t believe a Mourinho team could play like that in a big game. Barca Chelsea left it in the dust.
I disagree, I don’t think it would have changed anything in this tie, and to be honest the second half+extra time wasn’t a great spectacle, as ZM mentions. With Chelsea, I think it’s fair to give the advantage to the side that keeps a clean sheet at home, as opposed to the side that doesn’t
The away goals rule needs to be changed…..it completely killed what was an incredibly entertaining game in the first half. Real were too afraid to concede a goal knowing they would need two if they did. The original intent of the rule may have been good (truthfully, i wasn’t watching much football then), but it is now outdated. It has resulted in home sides playing more cautiously than away sides, which is funny since the rule was made to prevent cautious away sides. Take the rule away…home fans won’t stand for their teams playing for a draw at home if the rule is gone, and we will get more classic “attacking vs counter attacking” games.
I agree, the away goals rule makes teams much more cautious instead of attacking. They don’t have it in south america, why should Europe insist with it?
No, both sides came out in the 2nd half much more cautious. Neither side wanted to give up a goal. In Madrids case, they simply didn’t have the legs to attack as the half went on. Even in the first half, they were set up to play on the counter.
In theory, all getting rid of the away goal rule would do is to flip it around- instead of the home side being cautious, you’d have away side being cautious instead. In reality, though, home sides are usually going to attack more due to the crowd/atmosphere, so Its better imo to just keep the away goals rule.
I would agree with you on all point with an added one. The away goals rule should be eliminated for extra time. Both teams would approach it evenly then. Not today perhaps as Real were simply knackered, but a few years back Bayern were away in the UEFA Cup, both teams scored, yet Bayern went through because their goal counted more. That should be changed. In extra time the home team is penalized by the draw. Not really fair is it?
True, that might make sense.
if it would be changed someone would complain about the big disadvantage having to play the second leg away. Most of the teams – despite this rule – prefer to play first away and then the second leg at home…
True, friend. Let the rule be like that. Pple spoke loud when Real got an away goal at Allianz and alrealdy claimed that Real would swallow FC Bayern at Bernabeu. When Bayern won the tie, they started to cry against rules. Just get rid of Mourinho and his defensive football which is against Real’s trademark.
I think UEFA should eliminate away goal rule in extra time just like CONCACAF do.
In this case away team will not have any advantage over home team in second leg.
But if UEFA wants it extra time goal rule to stand, then there must be an extra time
at the end of first leg if game ends up tie in regulation.
Away goal rule in extra time kind of balances the advantage of playing home on 2nd leg dont u think?
Some time ago I made the suggestion on another forum that we should keep the away goals rule but only if the away team scores TWICE. The idea of the away goals rule is to reward attacking play away from home. Scoring just one away goal doesn’t demonstrate that and produces more problems than it solves.
The away goals rule was introduced because the first games in knockout competitions were always like the second half of Real – Bayern. At least with the away goals now this can happen for only 1/4 of the tie instead of 1/2 at most. Removing them in extra time though is a good idea.
this!
just get your elementary school math right: the away rule just rewards offensive play in more occasions than without the rule, as all ties on aggregate lead to extra time and penalty without the rule. whereas with the rule, only identical scores in both legs mean a tie.
Well, theoretically, the away goal rule should have encouraged Madrid to attack last week in Munich.
David Alaba. Watch out for this kid. Versatile, fast, fearless, calm, cool, never gives up.
He’ll be elite in a few years. Maybe Bayern should loan out Contento too, not too long ago, he was starting as LB. Bayern are unearthing gems.
Kroos, Badstuber, Alaba… maybe Contento, maybe Emre Can.
Only Mueller is struggling!
…and how cool did he scored in the shootout?…19 years old …
I was hoping Bayern would throw on Hans-Jorg Butt right before the second extra time ended. No way he wouldn’t have been an improvement over someone as a penalty take and playing a goalie as an outfielder is a strategy I love trying to find excuses for in FIFA.
I’m ,more or less,neutral,but it is incredible how many people underestimate Bayern.I mean they have 6 German internationals in starting 11 and they are World team number 3 ,you know?Lahm is top 5 five in his position,Neuer and Ribery too.By no means they are inferior to Madrid or any other team.And look at their tradition in Europe as a club?I’m so delighted about the CL final- no Madrid zilioners and no boring tika/taka BS.
..even more: Neuer, Badstuber, Boateng, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Kross, Mueller, Gomez – that’s 8…
Ina fact 7-Muler came from the bench,but never mind,you see my point-they are packed with large number of great domestic players + Ribery,Roben and that is a hell of a team.
I agree. They are a world class team. Maybe they were inconsistent in the league but they have the quality to beat anyone. People also underestimate the significance of the final being in their home. Chelsea will need to have the same luck as they had against Barcelona and their only defender that can possibly cope with Gomez will be suspended. Also expect Bayern to be methodical and ruthless.
Of course it is a final and anything can happen. If Chelsea use the same gameplan they used against Barcelona they will lose.
Lahm is the best fullback in the world, on either side, and has been for the last five years. There´s a reason why he´s the youngest Germany and Bayern captain ever. Very few players combine his class and consistency.
Its unfortunate that a lot players tend to be underated when they lack physical attributes like speed/tackling/technique but what really makes a player great is the brain, something which is extremely hard to rate. The German youth system focuses on the development of mentality and intelligence, therefore we are seeing alot of players in the mold of Lahm and Ozil.
Well I would’ve bet my left testicle that the CL final would be a clasico. Oh well. And seriously people need to shut up about Ramos taking the penalty. Do you train with the Madrid team? Know what is his conversion % in practice? How much balls you need to take the penalty in that situation? How do you guys know for a fact that someone else like Higuain is better at penalties? It’s so easy to criticize in hindsight and not put yourself in other’s shoes and understand the logic behind their decisions.
Yes I trained with them. I got a 100 percent conversion rate with Higuain on FIFA 12
Jose, don’t get defensive- there’s always next season.
Obviously it’s Bayern mentality, discipline, and physical strength that made the difference. They almost equalized immediately after Real’s first goal, still shaky on the back, then Real got the second. It’s not easy at all dominating the possession against Real Madrid at Barnebau. Yet Bayern with relatively young squad managed to do that. I think Bayern (and Barca) are the only teams that are able to neutralize Real’s offensive play so that they had only few clear chances.
The penalty shootout also showed Bayern mental & physical strength. A 19 year old boy taking 1st penalty shot in CL semi final is a huge thing. Probably Ronaldo was exhausted that he lost his accuracy while Ramos was too nervous. On the other hand, Kroos looked either too lazy or overly confident when he placed his shot to Casillas’s left
…Kroos commented later that he wanted to make the game more thrilling again…
Going 2- 0 it looked like Jose told them to proceed with caution. Then Bayern after wasting 2 excellent opportunities scored. Madrid then took fewer risks yet Bayern still created the chances. He is sitting with a group of players that like to go forward and take risks. The word caution does not exist in a spanish coaching manual or anything. They paid the price. Bayern was for me on the night the better side.
For the shoot out well Ramos saw that going the ground route most of them were saved. So he decided to go high like Xabi did.
I understand what you are saying about madrid becoming slightly more cautious after scoring their two goals. I’m not sure, but at the time I interpreted it as a counter-attacking shift from one of the best teams in the world at that particular art.
Well, about point 10.
Don’t know how it was decided who had to start. I think it’s like kick off: coin toss, who wins can choose. So the players should know that it is better to start shooting (and every German TV pundit would tell you to start).
But, the shot from Ronaldo was very good and Neuer’s save was great. (Neuer said after the game that the right side of the goal was the Ronaldo corner and he tried to save the penalty in the first half as well. Robben said, that for him it was better not to shoot because he shot in the first half and it wouldn’t be clever to shoot two times.)
In the end it was an even game and Bayern deserved to go through because they were better in the first game and not inferior in the second. Only Gomez should start to score this easy chances. Don’t know how he is able to score so often when he misses more often and that easy.
Gomez is either deadly or frustrating. Usually deadly but he has a tendency to miss chances in big games. He is still much more than just a finisher it seems that people have judged him without seeing him play.
Glad Bayern went through, they deserved it over the 2 legs. I thought this game started out very entertaining but never turned into the classc it could have, loks like the tactical evidence bears that out (thanks Zonal marking, don’t know what I would do without your coverage).
It’s a cliche, but it’s a cliche for a reason, never settle for penalties with the Germans. Was anybody ever in any doubt that Schweinsteiger was going to bury that last kick?
Schweinsteiger is the man.
Schweinsteiger atually stated that, on the way to the final penalty he “lost his balls”, but “found them again” shortly before finishing Madrid off. He is the Man. Before the Penalties when the Bayern players were huddling up, he was the one speaking. not captain Lahm. And he talked very dearly about Bayern owing so much to president Hoeneß. They will win the Cup for old Uli. I’m sure
Got to agree with that, a fully fit Schweinsteiger is one of the best midfielders in the world and he seems to have the mixture of ability and iron clad self belief (always called arrogance in Germans- another cliche) that marks out a real winner.
If I was a Chelsea fan with the prospect of a midfield featuring Lampard, Mikel and a massively depleted Essien facing him I would not be filled with confidence.
Fantastic match, but I must question (once again) Alonso’s effectiveness against high(ish) pressing teams. Whereas Bayern had at least two, sometimes three outlets to play the ball out the back trough the middle, Real had none. I’ll give Khedira a pass, since he isn’t supposed to take any responsibility of the playmaking, but Alonso? His ery average first touch and lack of mobility don’t mix well with pressure.
All too often Ramos and Pepe didn’t have the confidence to play the ball to Alonso, nor did Xabi seem overly eager to receive those kind of passes, so the defensive duo had to launch hopeful long balls out the back. To be fair, the passes were often pretty accurate, but didn’t simply bother Bayern at all. Soon enough, Alonso started dropping extremely deep to buy himself some much needed time on the ball, and often took position next to either one of the CB’s, or between them. This worked in terms of the added time and space, but it also made Madrid extremely broken.
Alonso is a fantastic passer of the ball, but from the positions he takes to escape pressure, you’d have to be superhuman to make a difference. In the future, Real will have to a) Pair Alonso with someone who’s a better footballer than Khedira, or b) Pair Khedira with someone who’s more comfortable with pressure. Ironically enough, Alonso makes them too predictable.
Totally agree! Alonso is a rolls royce of a player, but is he really effective enough, and to stretch it further; is he really a world class midfielder? His diagonal passes are fantastic, but his defensive positioning, tackling, his ability to play killer passes, to control the game are questionable against top teams. His got limitid mobility, heavy legs, no acceleration ( Xavi,Pirlo,Scholes got higher frequency in their legs while controlling the ball and playing themselves out of pressure, altough they are not faster in terms of running a distance).
Mourinho is a great organizer, and his defensive partnerships has always been highly impressive: Carlvalho-Costa in Porto, Terry-Carvalho in Chelsea, Lucio-Samuel in Inter. Pepe-Ramos seems a bit off to me, both in playing-style and personality. They dont seem to get the best out of each other, do not complement each other in the best of ways.
Agree with you on that, I also believe Real are too predictable in central midfield and would love to see a box to box central midfielder eg. Cesc Fabregas giving them thrust from central positions and goals. How many goals have Xabi and Khedira scored? Real at times seem like a broken team. Kaka took up great positions between the lines but his touch was terrible and acceleration non existent.
As with Messi, Ronaldo is shattered and running on empty. The clasico on Saturday definitely tired Real, but credit to Bayern who are a great team.
Where does this leave Mourinho?
He will win the league, and he’s done well to do so, but I don’t think that and 1 Spanish Cup after 2 years will satisfy him, or the Madrid fans. Mourinho was bought in to win the Champions League, and he’s missed a great opportunity here as he could have done it without facing Barca, a team I still think they have a psychological block about.
I agree with some of the previously raised points, and I just don’t think this is a Mourinho team. He’s had teams in the past with fantastic organisation, disciplined players, and just general all round effectiveness, think Chelsea with Terry, Lampard, Drogba, his Inter team with Lucio-Samuel and Zanetti-Cambiasso, and I just don’t see this at Madrid. Ramos-Pepe I always feel has a bit of erratic play or a mistake in it, I’m not a huge fan of Khedera, I really don’t think he brings enough to the team, and Alonso is too slow, and not mobile enough against the very best opposition. The front three are lethal, with Ozil as well, but defensively and midfield Madrid have problems, will Mourinho stay another year and sort it out and then become successful…?
this is interesting and i think nuri sahin could have been an exellent replacement for him in this case. he has the skills to escape from tight situations and plays the deadly balls too. also he absolutely bossed bayern twice in the last two games vs them for dortmund.
what is also interesting: a year ago or so jogi löw stressed out that at this lvl of game, especially in the german national team, it is a BASIC skill every player in midfield musst have: he musst be able to have a great first touch to the ball to be able to make the next move or pass within the next 1-2 seconds from when the ball gets to him. otherwise a player in the creative midfield wont be picked by him. very interesting statement that is IMO as it sets a high lvl of basic skills to the team which you can also see at the bayern team. maybe the old guard (like alonso) misses that cause the young guns in germany get drilled and trained to this lvl until they are able to do it automaticly.
I though about Sahin too, but I haven’t seen him enough to comment whether he could’ve made a difference. From what I’ve seen though, he definitely has the legs and skill level to fair well in tight situations.
About Löw’s comment: I remember reading that Germany rehashed their youth programme pretty much all around after some disappointing cup runs around the millenium, and shifted the balance to emphasize the technical level of the players. That is very evident when watching Bundesliga and the Germany national team in particular, their general technical ability is second to none in world of football.
What a good game by both sides. But the Bavarians have really proved that they are the better side. Loved every minute of the game, i hope they make a DVD of it because it was a real classic
The very first big opponent and RM struggles to get through, inspite of facing an attacking team, not any parked bus. Bayern were easily the better side. Had they taken that chance – Robben pass to Gomez in the second half, still dont understand why Robben didnt shoot it as he had more space, Bayern would have gone though easily and it would have been more embarassing for Real, to lose like that at their home. If you look at La liga, as well, Real have always struggled against good opponents.
Alaba is definitely going to be the best left back in the world.What a player. Was also very impressed by Kroos. Was it that Ribbery got injured that Muller came in for him. Muller looked much less dangerous actually, no where near his best form.
Wondering what Chelsea’s approach will be. If they park the bus, they might still have a chance as Bayern will be without many of their best.
Agree, Bayern were the better team, I’d say because Real plays a 6-4 formation, so to put it shortly: without midfield. Ozil is an attacker, Kroos is a midfielder, which gave Bayern the balance and control Real doesn’t want or need. In La Liga their front four is enough, against better opposition it isn’t.
Strange Real never really practised a 4-3-3.
So now it’s the Bayern Big Heads who got their final. Would be a great joke when Chelsea manages to prevent Rummenigge, Hoeness and Beckenbauer running their triomph run with the cup.
another good example how the away goal-rule kills games. i suppose without that rule (at least after the end of the 90 mintues) real and mourinho would have taken more risk. nevertheless bayern absolutely deserves the final and i really hope that finally a german team will win in a european competition again (though i am no bayern fan)
Is it just me, or was Bayern playing some form of 3-6-1 while defending without the ball, especially in the 2nd half?
Ronaldo was often playing much higher up than Di Maria, and Bayern responded to this by playing a back 3 of Lahm-Boateng-Badstuber, with Alaba playing a good 10 yards ahead of this back 3, to deny space to Di Maria. Alaba also overlapped Ribery on numerous occasions, and he was much more of a Wing-back, rather than a full-back in a classic back 4.
Thank you ZM for often providing deep insights into the not-so-obvious in football.
Therefore, I´d prefer waiting one day longer, re-thinking it through again, before writing your usual brilliant articles Michael – rather than “10 disparate points”.
But again, 99,9% of your work is absolutely brilliant, wonderful, glorious Michael.
Thank you indeed for your work!
IMO both teams worked very hard and deserve praise.
Marcelo sweated blood for Madrid with some big runs towards the end of the game. The same can be said for Robben who also flew pretty tirelessly around the field even in the extra time. Benzema was his usual self, moving all over the place and covering pretty much every square inch of the pitch.
But the total inability to create in the opponent’s box baffles me, especially given the attacking quality on display.
Robben did very well on many occassions to skip past challenges with the ball, but 90% of the time it came to nothing. Benzema had a wicked shot but was never really an ongoing threat. David Alaba made an outstanding overlapping run or two at the start, then retreated and never came forward again, even when Ozil/Di Maria tracked back to cover Ribbery. Same for Lahm.
It felt like neither team was willing or able to commit players to the box and really attack the ball from crosses or through passes after the 20th minute. Thats understandable due to the fear of conceding, but even with only 3/4 players forward, you’d think the likes of Robben/Ribery/Gomez and Ronaldo/Benzema/Ozil would be able to do more creatively than they did.
Away goal rule makes games beautiful. Just imagine Bayern would’ve scored another one before half time, game would have become a total spectacle, whereas without the away goal rule, teams would settle down again once Real scores another one.
Mourinho did an awful job at selecting Sergio Ramos for taking a penalty, with him being probably the most emotional guy on the pitch.
You could see that Real were exhausted during the match. They had to start fast to get back on terms on the tie but after they got to 2-0 they were basically cooked. Several times Ronaldo in the 2nd half was too tired to even run properly.
It’s almost impossible for a team contesting a domestic league to beat a comparable team at this stage and win the Champions League. It’s a shame the best teams don’t win the Champions League but it can’t be helped. The only way is if they are so good they have a huge lead in their domestic league at this point in the season and can rest players.
Well, that’s part of the game. It was and will always be. You can try to win everything or you can priorize on one competition. Bayern were “lucky” to have already lost the league some weeks ago.
But then again, having won so many domestice titles, all Bayern players were especially dedicated to win this year’s Champions League, expect maybe the new ones (Neuer, Boateng).
The rest have already won Bundesliga one or more times and most are in their prime age , but only getting older (Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Ribery, Robben). And they are all still waiting for their first international title, having lost several (half-)finales (CL 2009 and national team competitons from 2006 until today).
So, it’s Bayern time.
I don’t honestly think Bayern made a conscious decision to not really try and win their league, they just weren’t good enough over the course of the season.
The best example was when Liverpool twice beat Chelsea in the semi a few years ago – i remember watching them practically a reserve team at Anfield on the weekend between the 2 legs and the players who actually were on the pitch strolled around for a 0 – 0 draw against a very poor side – I think it was Coventry.
To not mention the single most important factor in the the outcome of the game, the differing levels of fatigue, was a bit strange.
Hmm,
maybe Dortmund was better at defending than Real? (playing modern football?)
tzzzzzzzz sais it right, it’s about priority. Maybe Real was focused on Barca too much.
It’s also correct that players get older (like all that is).
Madrid’s defending wasn’t the problem it was their lack of energy meaning their quality dropped off and their goal threat diminished.
Someone mentioned that Marcelo was their most dynamic player – any co-incidence that he didn’t start either of the last 2 games?
Maybe defending was not the right word. Dortmund is very good at winning the ball (high energy). I think Real was not willing to play that kind of style (and that style annoys Beyern).
The single most important factor? Really? And this would explain Madrid losing in Munich, too? Listen, Madrid have the deepest squad on the planet- they should be able to handle 2 competitions. Plenty of sides have won the double(or more). Besides, Madrid made 3 substitutions (to Bayerns 1) and still couldn’t take advantage of the situation.
What did you think of Ronaldo’s performance in these two games? Personally I find it very difficult to understand what he brings to this Real team, and I wonder if they wouldn’t have been better off without him. I know that sounds strange given his stats, and especially since he scored two goals yesterday. It’s just that I have the feeling that every time he gets the ball, he just wants to show the world how good he is and how much he deserves the Ballon d’Or, so he always goes for the most difficult and tends to forget to play with his teammates. And frankly, I didn’t see him dribbling past an opponent and making the difference very often tonight. I found Benzema and Özil way more impressive and influencial in the game than he was.
I’d like to hear some ohter opinions because I know I am kind of biased on him, I just don’t like the way he plays, so maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see…
At the moment, CR is easily the best footballer in the world and without him Real would be nothing but a very very average team…
Well, I was expecting some kind of arguments and not just the kind of comments I can also hear from anyone who would know nothing about football but what he hears on the radio during the morning news…
Madrid fan here, CR does bring alot to the team but his free kicks got to be the most soul sucking exercises to be part of…
Ronaldo got an assist in the first game, scored twice in the second game, he’s been effective, could have been better after his goals, but an assist and two goals over the two legs I don’t think he can be criticised, it’s alot more than what Messi gave to Barcelona isn’t it.
As for Ronaldo wanting to show the world how good he is, yes, but that’s just him, how you can say you don’t know what he brings to the team is beyond me, he’s probably the most complete footballer in the world.. Strong, fast, left and right footed, good in the air, set pieces, great movement, lethal in front of goal. He does want to show the world how good he is, but his record suggests that he does show the world how good he is.
Yes, the most complete footballer in the world who can’t/won’t defend….
You name me one footballer in the world that doesn’t have at least one weakness? When Ronaldo does press from the front, he actually does it well.
Do you really want me to name one?
“he’s probably the most complete footballer in the world..”
Not that again.
Just so it’s clear: I am not putting into question his abilities, not his stats. It is clear to me that he is incredibly gifted, both technically and physically. My question refers to what he brings to the team, ie his collective skills. Being a footballer isn’t just about how skillfull you are, it’s also about how you integrate in the team. The best footballers in the world are those who manage to transform average players into a great team, by giving their teammates a lot of confidence and allowing them to play at a higher level (see Maradona, Beckenbauer, Platini, Zidane, etc.). And I don’t think Cristiano Ronaldo is that kind of footballer. I would have liked to see Madrid playing without him, that would have been interesting. I am not sure they would have played worse…
A football team, for me, is not 11 players, it’s the connection between all 11 players (66? connections). Some connections are thicker or more important (and don’t forget managers, oponent, pitch, …), but it’s more than just eleven players.
Thats an interesting question. Certainly, United didn’t get worse after Ronaldo left for Madrid. Some would say they even got better. It’s difficult to tell from the outside whether his obvious narcissism has a negative impact on the team(s).
The ball is round and the game last ninety (or a hundred and twenty) minutes. Bayern’s nerve, despite being 2-0 so quickly in such an intimidating atmosphere was probably the biggest factor in winning the game. Many teams are beaten before the play Barcelona and Real because they lack the out-and-out belief that they belong on the same pedestal but it’s not surprise that a club of Bayern’s stature was able to maintain their composure. It reminded me in many ways of their “victory” (actually a 3-2 defeat of course) in Old Trafford two seasons ago where they were blitzed at the outset by United’s extremely high tempo and good finishing but stuck in the game until they got one away goal before half time and then nabbed another later in the second half. Most teams would go to pot in those kind of situations – perhaps even a team like Dortmund, who though better than Bayern in the league perhaps lack the guile and experience from multiple CL campaigns.
Well done Bayern, I thought they were deserved winners of the tie over all – they forced the issue big-time for large parts of both games but just couldn’t make the difference before the penalties.
While Chelsea have overachieved, I think that they have created such a special kind of energy and momentum that even without 4 top players, they can beat Bayern, and I’m sure the final can’t come soon enough for this group.
the game told, what i already thought.
RM is overrated. Bayern dominated midfield in the second half and for the rest of the game. it is simply not enough to rely on counterattacks. ronaldo did what he usually does in big games, he disappears. maybe not from beginning but after the 2:1 .
RM has problems to maintain aggressive pressing against good opponents, who themselves press and can hold the ball in midfield. di maria was aweful too. just wining and diving, like ozil also.
especially at home a team that considers himself as on the same level like barcelona HAS TO DO MORE than that. the clasico is no excuse for fitness or tiredness.
they fully deserved to not progress. but its ridiculous anyway that they reached the semis without contesting with a real opponent due to the draw of the group and the knockout stage.
lol Barca were also tired that’s the main reason they also lost.
Interesting tactical match, low on brilliant attacking performances. After Madrid got their 2 goals they decided to drop back and protect its lead, and wait for Bayern to make mistakes and counter. Unfortunately, Bayern’s unpredictable runs from midfield, in this case Toni Kroos’s fore raid into the right wing, caught Madrid’s backline by surprise and led to the dumb foul of Pepe on Gomez. Robben buried the PK and the whole match changed from a tactical prespective. Afraid to drop another goal, Mou instructed his squad to be even more defensive, with only the front 4 against an dynamic, mobile 3 in the midfield and 4 at the back from Bayern, Madrid’s attack stood no chance. Bayern got most of the possession passing horizontally and backwardly until they move too deep into Madrid’s half and get dispossessed. *sidenote: Bayern’s passing is really incoherent, it’s slow and telegraphed when they do complete them, on other occasions, the passes are either behind, too far ahead, or the passer rather keep the ball and go 1-on-3 instead of passing it to a teammate 2 meters away. Despite the possession advantage, I never felt Bayern could score from open play due to its woeful passing. In the second half, Madrid basically dared Bayern to win it knowing full well Bayern couldn’t do it with just their front 4, but Bayern were smart to not full into Mou’s trap by never breaking shape at the back in search of the winner. Why Mou didn’t have enough confidence in his excellent attackers is bothersome to me. Given the disorganization of Bayern’s defense in the first 15 minutes, one would have thought they were there for the taking. I believe over these 2 legs had Mou substituted the more offensive, ball-holding Kaka instead of the fast counter-attacking Ozil and really worked on controlling possession, creating 1-on-1 situations for their attackers, Madrid would of had better chance to win. It really seems like Mou, under a fear for giving up a 2nd away goal, lost the match tactically by not trusting his attack; because even with Bayern completely packing in (as Chelsea did against Barca), Bayern’s defense and midfield(2 of the 3 – Schweinsteiger and Kroos are converted from attacking mid and winger roles) did not have the discipline, tackling ability over the whole game to stop Madrid from scoring. Marcel’s run from top of his own box beating 3 despairing inept tackles as case in point, there are a lot of players on RM that can do the same. But Mourinho is Mourinho, you can give him the all-star team (Barca anyone) and he will still play counter attack, but yesterday it cost him the Champions League trophy and a page in the record books.
is this the best that mouriniho has to offer . is tactics only defensive i mean what about when you have the ball . for me the better team won bayern team looked like a team with cohesion there was a bit of caution in there play because of what at stake but they had a plan as to how they were going to go forward and their little triangles and short passes worked nicely but most notedly kross was the man who carried the show for me wont be surprised if he is the next big thing in the transfer market .
now the real thing that i want to talk about is real madrids team for me the person to blame is jose mourinho apart from individual performances and weaker team he has struggled against a cohesive opposition . first for me the problem is xavi alonso he is the engine of this madrid team he is one who has to start the attack he has to get things rolling but he is the one in the english mould long ball , static . khadeira is a destroyer not a creator or the one who can get things rolling. jose hasnt created any coheion in players they spend too much time on the trying to draw the opposition or let say trying to take the opposition by themselves . just by making tactics and telling players their roles is not enough . bayern coach had made a good team . hope to see a good final .
Both teams have been great this season, showing good balance between attack and defense. I expect Bayern to go on and win this now against Chelsea.
In the game both played similar systems and it was an extremely close tie. Where Real Madrid were edging the battle was with their more fluent front three/four. Benzema and Ronaldo have such good understanding and Ronaldo (especially in the first half) was extremely dangerous. Di maria offered a big threat too (as the opening goal showed) and ozil helped create even more space for both Ronaldo and Di Maria. Bayern Munich only really had Robben threatening out of the front three, as he had the better of Marcelo and the CB’s when given space (in first half). Ribery was poor however and was marked out of the game well by Arbeloa, while Gomez missed easy chances he should have put away – though his movement was better in helping Robben. This showed as Real Madrid were more efficient in the first half when both teams were countering and their better fluidity got them the win in the game (though not over the whole result).
Bayern edged Madrid in midfield, where kross did better to link midfield and attack more than Ozil, Gustavo offered more aggressive tackling than Khedira and Schweinstager out passed Alonso in the battle of the midfield playmakers. This helped Bayern keep things tight in the second half when they needed to control the game and this allowed them to get to penalties – where they won the tie.
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Interesting point about penalty shoot outs at the end there. Although strangely it didn’t surprise me for some reason.