Barcelona 1-2 Real Madrid: Real on brink of title

The starting line-ups
Cristiano Ronaldo scored the winner as Real Madrid effectively clinched the title at the Nou Camp.
Pep Guardiola made two surprise decisions, playing La Masia products Thiago Alcantara and Cristian Tello – the former in midfield, the latter in a wide-left role. Gerard Pique was omitted again.
Jose Mourinho was brave with his starting XI, selecting the same side that had underperformed in Munich in midweek, which meant Fabio Coentrao continuing at left-back.
As with Chelsea in midweek, Real had to depend upon Barcelona finishing poorly – but overall they limited the number of chances Barca created, and were the more efficient side.
Barcelona shape
Whereas Real played their usual 4-2-3-1, Guardiola’s choice of formation was a surprise. He went for the 3-4-3, which meant Dani Alves pushed very high up on the right, Tello on the opposite flank, and Adriano on the left of a back three. This was an attacking gamble by Guardiola – he’s commented before on how dangerous it is to play a back three without controlling the whole game.
In a sense, it also hinted at Guardiola’s lack of confidence in Barcelona’s attacking department – he felt he needed two wingers to stretch the play on either side, yet also an additional midfielder to ensure superiority in the centre. This came at the risk of defensive stability, and Barcelona were particularly vulnerable to breaks into the channels/wings.
Back three / four
Of course, when Barcelona play a three-man defence they’re always half-thinking about playing with a four. The man to drop in here was Sergio Busquets, who was a central defender when Real broke quickly down the flanks and one of the wide defenders had to move across to the wing, but he became the deepest midfielder when Barcelona had the ball.
Individually Busquets played the role very well, but there were two problems in the defensive transitions with this approach, mainly because of the speed with which Real attacked. Most obviously, Barcelona were bare down the flanks, but there was also the secondary problem that Busquets was forced to leave Mesut Ozil when he was dropping into the back – this gave the German time on the ball to thread passes through to the attackers. In fact, it was a combination of those issues that resulted in Real’s winner.
Real defence
Real broadly implemented their previous strategy of pressing high early on, then dropping deep. But the initial pressing wasn’t so heavy, nor was the drop-off so sudden and obvious. It was all much more controlled. Mourinho is seemingly happy with the way Real often use a ‘broken press’ – the front four close down, but then the two holding midfielders stand off and make sure they stay close to the defence. This has been obvious in the past couple of months and particularly at Bayern in midweek, and though it looks far from ideal, it’s happened so often that Mourinho must endorse it. It’s at odds with his usual insistence on being compact, and it can give Barca’s deep midfielders time on the ball, but it did result in a couple of Barca errors when passing out of the back.
That said, some level of compactness was retained by the fact Real didn’t drop too deep. Mourinho had famously held out against Barcelona in 2010 with Inter by telling his defence to play extremely close to goal, almost inside the penalty area. Here Real were braver with their positioning, and caught Barcelona offside five times. Only after Sanchez’s arrival did Barcelona have a real threat over the top (more on that later).
But this wasn’t a battle of formations, dependent upon one man getting space, or one side cleverly dominating a certain zone. Barca had more players in midfield, of course, but Real sat deep with six men behind the ball and let them play – Barcelona’s possession was 72%, but Mourinho wasn’t troubled by this. He made his side focus on cutting out balls into the final third, and was actually hoping Barcelona would come onto Real, in order to leave spaces at the back.
Lack of Barcelona cohesion
The real tactical issue, while not wanting to detract from Real’s excellent shape, was Barcelona’s lack of quality in attacking zones. Mourinho will have been delighted about how rarely his centre-backs were dragged out of position, yet also shocked about easy it was for them.
The main problem was the lack of support for Lionel Messi. Guardiola’s decision to go with two ‘true’ wide players on either flank meant Messi wasn’t going to receive much assistance in the penalty box from either of them – Tello stayed wide up against Alvaro Arbeloa, and although his finishes were very poor, he played the rest of his role reasonably well. Alves, on the other side, hugged the touchline more.
Therefore, with the Real defence stretched, runs had to come from midfield. Thiago played quite deep and seemed to have the job of playing in Busquets’ position when Busquets was busy with defensive tasks. Xavi Hernandez tried to get forward (and should have scored in the first half when Messi slipped a good pass through the defence) but Iniesta, the midfielder starting highest up, very rarely got into dangerous positions himself, and should have been doing more to get in advance of Messi when the Argentine dropped deep.
Runs

Line-ups after Sanchez's introduction
It was hugely surprising that Guardiola waited until 69 minutes to change his side, even when taking into account Alexis Sanchez’s injury. As soon as Sanchez arrived on the pitch, he had an impact – not necessarily with the goal itself, which was a scrappy effort, but with his initial run from a central position towards the right (exactly the run he kept making against Real earlier in the season) which distracted the defence and allowed Messi to run with the ball to the left, from where the chance was created.
Barcelona needed more runs – both vertical runs from the midfield to play an active part in things, and lateral runs from the forward line to test the positioning of the Real defence. Until then, it was a quiet night for the Real Madrid centre-backs. Messi’s false nine positioning wasn’t a problem, because even when one centre-back was drawn out, no-one looked to exploit the space Messi had created, and the other centre-back could cover comfortably. The one exception was the Xavi chance, when four Real players were attracted to Messi. These situations needed to be created more often.
Real attacks
With defence almost taking care of itself, Real’s true excellence was in their attacking play. With 28% possession it didn’t come in huge bursts, yet they had six shots on target, double Barcelona’s total. They didn’t need a player in the role Ramires played against Barcelona on Wednesday (tracking the full-back, then bursting past him), because Barcelona weren’t playing any full-backs. Instead, their breaks were more about interplay, like their goal in Munich, and they got four players in positions where they could break forward. Even when Busquets became a defender, Real could often attack four versus four, and Ozil was able to float laterally to pick up the ball and orchestrate these moves.
Counter-attacking is one way Barcelona can be exploited. Their other major problem is from set-pieces, and although their weakness in these situations is often overstated (they usually defend zonally very well), when they’re without Pique the problem is more severe. Eric Abidal would also help in these situations, as would Seydou Keita. Real were an obvious threat from corners and went ahead from their first, but they did well to simply win them in the first place – seven, compared to Barcelona’s four. It probably wasn’t a deliberate strategy, but it’s rare that an away side has so many corners at the Nou Camp.
Subs
Mourinho’s was delighted with the shape of his side, and basically only made straight swaps – the one exception was the introduction of central midfielder Esteban Granero for Di Maria, meaning Ozil went right, into the position he’d just created Ronaldo’s goal from anyway.
Guardiola made three switches. First there was Sanchez on for Xavi – he went upfront and Messi dropped deeper, more of a clear 3-3-1-3. Then Pedro replaced Adriano – a very attacking move in theory, but Alves retreated into the back three and Puyol swapped sides. Pedro offered a little more than Alves, who remains better at bombing forward rather than starting as a forward. Finally, Cesc Fabregas came on for Tello – Iniesta went into the forward three, but by this point Barcelona seemed to have lost belief.
Conclusion
Real would have celebrated a draw like it was a win – as Guardiola admitted before the game, a draw would have meant the end of Barcelona’s title hopes. But the symbolic importance of the Real victory shouldn’t be overlooked. Had Real won the title yet still failed to overcome Barcelona, they would have faced accusations they were simply better at swatting aside minnows, rather than a better team than Barcelona in direct confrontations. This result means there is no doubt – in this game, and in this season, Real were the more efficient side.
Their winning goal summed up what they have done so well all season – they broke quickly, directly and got Ronaldo into goalscoring positions despite him starting on the left. It was also reminiscent of the goal away in Valencia, which showed their ability on the counter-attack better than any other goal they’ve scored this season.
That directness was badly missing from Barcelona’s play, as was the integrated movement that has been so important in their attacking play under Guardiola. Here they were too dependent on Messi, and offered him very little support.





Sorry the predicted line-ups were not very accurate!
On Twitter, @barcastuff had reported a couple of hours before the game that a radio program in Barcelona apparently knew that Tello and Thiago would start in the starting 11.
https://twitter.com/#!/barcastuff/status/193697995500425216
But if you ask me, I think your starting 11 would be a better choice for this game, although it is easy to talk about what would be the best selection after the game is played
))
Watch tonight Juve.Conte is winning the title using 5,6 different formations and not a single lost so far!
Pep is getting on my nerves. All year, he has tried to take away forwards and replace them with mids, and with the exception of the 1-3 at the Bernabeu, it has failed, and failed hard. 2-2 against Real at the Camp Nou, the 1-0 at Chelsea, the 2-2 vs Chelsea at the Camp Nou, the 1-2 vs Real at the Camp Nou, the game away at Bilbao, etc.
The only pro I can see from playing an extra mid is it helps win the ball back when you lose it. Other than that, it seems playing two wide forwards is always better. It gives more pace, pushing opponent’s defenses back while making more room for Messi, stretches the opponent’s defense, making holes that allow Messi or Iniesta to break through, gives two direct goal threats that take advantage of Messi dropping deep well, and gives Barca an alternative way of attacking: having the wide forwards take on their respective full backs one on one instead of Barcelona constantly trying to charge down the middle. Seriously, when Fabregas plays along side Iniesta, Xavi, and Messi, it not only makes Barcelona less penetrating, but also hurts their abilities to keep possession. Fabregas consistently blunders around, giving the other Barca mids less room to play. Effectively, Barca are doing the job for their opponents, by clogging up their own playing space while taking away their most direct goal threats. By the way, it’s not Fabregas’s fault as an individual, its Pep’s fault for trying to play him and two other attacking mids plus a false nine at the same time.
On the 3 man defense, we need the fullback’s width. the best 3 man defense games comes when Dani Alves pushes up to give an extremely wide goal threat. I think you did an article on why Alves is better when he plays deeper. The worst 3 man defense games are when Alves plays as a winger, or when he scraps the idea of wide attacking fullbacks and just lumps in more central mids. Sure, playing with tons of midfielders helps in some games, but on the whole, the 4-3-3 has gotten Barcelona far better results. Tinkering is fine, but when you tinker with something for 5-6 months straight and it costs you the two biggest trophies of the year and fails to work against the majority of teams, you probably should drop the idea.
Spot on ZM. My theory and hope – though hard to believe and even harder to take – is that Pep threw the game to save players for Chelsea and the Champions League. No Pique, no Cesc and no Alexis (till later at least) = no cohesion. Add into this the fact that Messi had an off game, and that Madrid were ready to exorcise some demons…
Went to the game and wrote my own (far less detailed) post-mortem here http://allthingsfutebol.blogspot.com.es/2012/04/clasico-2012-post-mortem.html
Cheers,
Tim in Barcelona
Second this opinion, I have to admit that the “no-Pique no-Cesc no-Alexis” strategy really frustated me to a maximum extent. However, I disagree that the choice was picked by Pep to “throw the game to save players for Chelsea and the Champions League”. In Spain, El Clasico is such a big event that no former Real Madrid or Barca managers would sacrifice the match for, say, Champions League. The match possess a prestige so high that I suppose some managers would prefer to win in El Clasico by 5-0 rather than winning champions league; because Spanish history remembers Clasico!
Anyway, about the tactics, I am deeply disappointed with Guardiola’s selection.
1. Back four — you are facing a tridente of Ronaldo, Oezil and di Maria with only three defenders? Three-defender formation is especially dangerous when facing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formations because it allow a 3 v 3 situation when the team face a counter attack situation. I would say the best back four will be Puyol – Pique – Mascherano – Alves.
Alves could bombard forward while Busquets dropping deep in that situation to cover, making a formation of Puyol – Pique – Busquets – Mascherano in case of emergency situation when Alves was caught up too high in the field.
2. Cristian Tello my gosh he is frustating me. If Pep wanted to stretch to play, then he could just deploy me on the right instruct me to stay close to the throw in line. Yes, I’m worse than Tello in terms of footballing ability but, honestly speaking, Tello is basically doing nothing there except of making goalkick-prompting runs, desperately trying to go past Arbeloa who has much bigger of football experience too. I could do that kind of worse football. Irrespective of his movement (well his off-the-ball movement is okay), gosh his finishing is poor, he looks nervous and is not ready for El Clasico match, and tries desperately to “prove that Pep’s decision to pick me is the right decision” and sometimes kills a link-up team play with such ideology of his. If only Fabregas and Alexis or Pedro had started sooner…..
3. The game only ran for 20 minutes when I saw Iker Casillas and his co TRIED TO KILL TIME ALREADY. My gosh. Surprised you did not mention any of this, Michael, because this is a tactical website and “wasting time”, in Football Manager, is part of tactics too.
Second this opinion, I have to admit that the “no-Pique no-Cesc no-Alexis” strategy really frustated me to a maximum extent. However, I disagree that the choice was picked by Pep to “throw the game to save players for Chelsea and the Champions League”. In Spain, El Clasico is such a big event that no former Real Madrid or Barca managers would sacrifice the match for, say, Champions League. The match possess a prestige so high that I suppose some managers would prefer to win in El Clasico by 5-0 rather than winning champions league; because Spanish history remembers Clasico!
Anyway, about the tactics, I am deeply disappointed with Guardiola’s selection.
1. Back four — you are facing a tridente of Ronaldo, Oezil and di Maria with only three defenders? Three-defender formation is especially dangerous when facing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formations because it allow a 3 v 3 situation when the team face a counter attack situation. I would say the best back four will be Puyol – Pique – Mascherano – Alves.
Alves could bombard forward while Busquets dropping deep in that situation to cover, making a formation of Puyol – Pique – Busquets – Mascherano in case of emergency situation when Alves was caught up too high in the field.
2. Cristian Tello my gosh he is frustating me. If Pep wanted to stretch to play, then he could just deploy me on the right instruct me to stay close to the throw in line. Yes, I’m worse than Tello in terms of footballing ability but, honestly speaking, Tello is basically doing nothing there except of making goalkick-prompting runs, desperately trying to go past Arbeloa who has much bigger of football experience too. I could do that kind of worse football. Irrespective of his movement (well his off-the-ball movement is okay), gosh his finishing is poor, he looks nervous and is not ready for El Clasico match, and tries desperately to “prove that Pep’s decision to pick me is the right decision” and sometimes kills a link-up team play with such ideology of his. If only Fabregas and Alexis or Pedro had started sooner…..
3. The game only ran for 20 minutes when I saw Iker Casillas and his co TRIED TO KILL TIME ALREADY. My gosh. Surprised you did not mention any of this, Michael, because this is a tactical website and “wasting time”, in Football Manager, is part of tactics too.
Second this opinion, I have to admit that the “no-Pique no-Cesc no-Alexis” strategy really frustated me to a maximum extent. However, I disagree that the choice was picked by Pep to “throw the game to save players for Chelsea and the Champions League”. In Spain, El Clasico is such a big event that no former Real Madrid or Barca managers would sacrifice the match for, say, Champions League. The match possess a prestige so high that I suppose some managers would prefer to win in El Clasico by 5-0 rather than winning champions league; because Spanish history remembers Clasico!
Anyway, about the tactics, I am deeply disappointed with Guardiola’s selection.
1. Back four — you are facing a tridente of Ronaldo, Oezil and di Maria with only three defenders? Three-defender formation is especially dangerous when facing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formations because it allow a 3 v 3 situation when the team face a counter attack situation. I would say the best back four will be Puyol – Pique – Mascherano – Alves.
Alves could bombard forward while Busquets dropping deep in that situation to cover, making a formation of Puyol – Pique – Busquets – Mascherano in case of emergency situation when Alves was caught up too high in the field.
2. Cristian Tello my gosh he is frustating me. If Pep wanted to stretch to play, then he could just deploy me on the right instruct me to stay close to the throw in line. Yes, I’m worse than Tello in terms of footballing ability but, honestly speaking, Tello is basically doing nothing there except of making goalkick-prompting runs, desperately trying to go past Arbeloa who has much bigger of football experience too. I could do that kind of worse football. Irrespective of his movement (well his off-the-ball movement is okay), gosh his finishing is poor, he looks nervous and is not ready for El Clasico match, and tries desperately to “prove that Pep’s decision to pick me is the right decision” and sometimes kills a link-up team play with such ideology of his. If only Fabregas, Alexis or Pedro had started sooner
3. The game only ran for 20 minutes when I saw Iker Casillas and his co TRIED TO KILL TIME ALREADY. My gosh. Surprised you did not mention any of this, Michael, because this is a tactical website and “wasting time”, in Football Manager, is part of tactics too.
Any Barcelona 11 with Messi, XAVI & Ineasta is a complete squad, don’t make it look like Barca would rather loose to Madrid than Chelsea at Nou Camp. This result would have devastating consequences, with Nou Camp loosing invincibility overnight like this,it only makes Chelsea believe they have even more of a chance.
On the second diagram you have Xavi playing, when it was he who came off for Sanchez? Great game and great write up
I didn’t see the game (stupid airport) but I think he meant Thiago came off, not Xavi.
Great analysis nonetheless. This game will remain in my memory for years to come.
I see the problem was that Barca did not have forwards as Sanches to make runs as it was said or to keep defenders busy. Tello was way too much on the left and created no danger. Messi for some reason played deep. I think that the greatest problem was that once Barcelona had a ball in the center, be it Messi or Xavi or Iniesta they had nobody to pass it to in the front to attack. It was random but Alexis scored the goal because he was a forward and his position was high up the pitch, while all time before he came in there was nobody in that position and Barcelona just did not have any attacking potential against strong RM defense.
Thank you Michael for the wonderful analysis! I am a Madridista and it was a very important victory for us. Howvever, I have to admit that Barcelona were still superior in this game and psychologically, they still seem to have an edge over Madrid. There is no doubt to me that they are the better side but Madrid deserved some luck to go their way after all their effort this season. I feel this victory against the best Barca team ever, is more than enough for our hard work this season. Barca deserve to go down in history for changing the way we all see football and I hope they win the Champions League to crown all their achievements so far. Messi deserves another Balon d’or and Ronaldo deserves the Pichichi. I thank Jose for all what he has given to us Madridistas, but let’s not be greedy. We have already created history by matching up to this mighty Barca and beating them at home. These are my best years as a football fan and these two teams have given me the best moments in football till now. Hala Madrid and Visca Barca!
Messi has been the better player this season, but if Madrid win La Liga and Barca don’t win the Champions League (whether or not Madrid win), Ronaldo deserves the Ballon d’Or.
If Ronaldo can get Portugal out of their Euro group with Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark you have to figure that will factor in heavily as well.
@Nirmal – Although Barca missed pique /keita/abidal in defense and Villa upfront. I don’t quite agree with this -”I have to admit that Barcelona were still superior in this game and psychologically, they still seem to have an edge over Madrid. There is no doubt to me that they are the better side but Madrid deserved some luck to go their way after all their effort this season. ”
If you are talking about TODAY’s game – Madrid looked to be in control for most of the game, esp Defense was solid and they seem be in total control. I am not sure what makes you think Barca were superior today.
Also Madrid did not drop shoulders after Sanchez leveled, unlike previous classicos, so not sure why Barca looked psychologically superior for you. If you are talking about TODAY’s match Madrid were superior – mentally/physically/tactically and they were a better side. Unless you are talking @ previous Classicos or you were not closely watching todays match.
I understand your point but there is still fear in Madrid against Barca. I have been watching enough Madrid games for the past 13 years and probably I have seen every Barca game for the past 5 years. I am probably ne of the craziest Madrid supporters around but I can’t turn a blind eye against this Barca because of hate / jealousy / allegiance. So, I can say this with utmost confidence.
I don’t see the same ‘Madrid’ as you would see against other opponents when they play Barca. This season more so than ever Madrid have been playing a high line pressing game with a lot of possession against other teams. Their style might be a bit more direct but I won’t call it counter attacking alone. It has a lot of elements of Barca in it. What I mean to say is…Madrid are still capable of more than what we saw today. And I am not saying this because I did not watch the game closely. In fact I saw the game twice already.
I am saying this after watching a lot of Madrid for 13 years. They are capable of taking the game to Barca and playing in their half. But what we saw today was a conservative style where Madrid played well…yes….but they were in their own half for most of the time. You can argue that’s one way to play against this Barca effectively. But this Madrid can score 5 goals against Barca if they want. Why not? They don’t need to sit back and be scared of Messi. They have enough firepower and a very good defense. They have players who can pass the ball as well as Barca. Maybe not to the same extent but we can match them. Look at how they played the Supercopa and the Copa del Rey. Those were the best Clasicos according to me. Today’s result was good for us but it was not our best performance. The result is a psychological boost but the game wasn’t played with the same mentality. I just feel that we can attack Barca more and play in their half more.
It’s not about having more shots on goal like Madrid did today. It’s about having more control of the game and you control the game with possession. It’s just a school of thought and Barca / Spain have proven in the recent years. In the long run a team that plays a possession based football system is more effective than a counter attacking system. If we have 10 Clasicos back to back against this Barca…I am sure Barca will win more of them owing to their possession and control. All I am saying at the end of all this is…Madrid can do the same…and we could have attacked Barca more…but we didn’t. In the end….all is well that ends well.
The best games against Barca this season were Bilbao. They took the game to them and played in their half. Madrid did in Supercopa and Copa. Last year we had Valencia do it. So yeah…today might look like a magnificent victory but we have had better games against Barca….if you look at the way we played. I really don’t care so much about the result and I am not talking about that. I want to see a good game a football and I have seen better from Madrid.
I think you’re right. They’re still capable of more (Barca is too, though, if they ever feel inclined to drop the masturbatory tiki taka). For some reason, in the periods real do get possession, after 4 or 5 passes they aimlessly kick the ball up field. I can’t understand why players in one of the absolute best teams in the world can’t make accurate, deliberate passes of more than 20 yards and why they just kick it away instead of working it through the midfield when there is no pressure (eg sergio ramos).
That’s true…Barca have themselves to blame in some ways as well for hinging too much on their possession style. Personally I feel they had their best team last season and it had a perfect mix. Pedro and Villa gave enough directness in front of goal and at the same time they understood the philosophy better than Eto’o, Henry or Ibra.
However, yesterday’s loss is a case of Madrid catching Barca at their weakest point. Abidal out, Piqué injured, Alexis half injured, Xavi tired, Cesc not sure of where he is supposed to play, Villa injured, Pedro not fit…it’s amazing how they managed to play good even after all this. They attacked inspite of so many weaknesses.
That’s why I am disappointed in Madrid. They have got better results against a stronger Barca. Imagine if they pressed them yesterday. No Abidal and no Piqué. It would have been a big win. There is a saying….fortune favours the brave. There is only one brave team at the moment and that’s Barca. Even at their weakest they played the only way they know.
I am waiting for the day I can see Madrid learn from them and do the same. It’s not all about winning.
I agree with you whole-heartedly, Nirmal.
I think Mourinho rather than the Real players is the one who has this fear of Barca and thinks Barca can only be beaten by resolute defending and counter-attacks.
I have seen much inferior teams( to Real) adopt a much braver attitude in games against Barca.
Real no longer consider themselves Barca’s equals.
Where is Real’s free-flowing football we see against very good sides like Valencia, Bilbao etc?
Of course you have to give Mourinho credit for making Real much more compact but, you somehow get the feeling the attacking is purely down to the players’ natural instinct rather than a desire and plan to get the best out of them.
Real will sleep easier after this victory and nobody can accuse them of just being flat-track bullies.
Please do not ever call yourself a Madridista. There are 2 aspects of football. Attack and Defense. Barcelona were superior in neither. They were just superior in keeping possession. I can remember only 2 occasions where they were dangerous – the goal and the xavi chance. They didn’t do anything else with their possession. And Madrid didn’t need “luck” to beat them. Which Madridista wants their greatest rival to win the Champions League? Are you for real? You sound more like a closet Barca fan. “Visca Barca”? Seriously?
My friend…I am not blind when I see good football. If the definition of being a Madridista is hating Barca, being jealous and turning your head when you see beautiful patient possession football with a lot of control….then you are right…I am not a Madridista. And honestly I don’t want to be that kind of a Madridista. I’d rather enjoy football than be like a bunch of Ultras, who just want to hate opponents no matter what. I like watching good football and I am not afraid to admit it when I see it elsewhere.
For e.g. I was a Liverpool fan once…but I have stopped watching their matches because all they do now is play ‘head tennis’ as I call it. Head the ball here and head the ball there without any aim whatsoever. In the past…I was drawn to their comeback spirit but nowadays they have lost that as well. That might improve your neck muscles and wow….it might give you goosebumps to see all that power from the players. But for me…football is supposed to be played ‘with’ the ball, ideally on the ground and not without the ball. It doesn’t matter whether you will have lesser possession than your opponent but as a team you should strive to regain the ball and build up play (be it fast or slow). There should be some intent to makes passes.
In this Clasico…Madrid did not want the ball. You may call it defending. I can understand if a lesser team at the bottom of the table does it. Every inferior team does it against Barca and it’s their only option. In Madrid’s case…why the hell are they doing it? I call it ‘fear’ because don’t tell me players worth about 500 million cannot make a 10m short pass and build up play using 10 passes. I am sorry but that is not defending or good enough football for Madrid according to me. That is just Madrid being scared and admitting that Barca are superior to them. I have seen Madrid build up play against other teams who press them very much like Barca (e.g. Bilbao, Valencia, etc). It’s beautiful and they have come out victorious then. They even did it against Barca in the Copa…so why not for this game when Barca was at their weakest. The simply didn’t counter attack this weak Barca enough and create more chances….even when Barca had only a 3 man defence.
When it comes to Barca’s possession football…beauty is in the eye of the beholder and possession football has it’s own attacking and defensive virtues, just like counter attacking football. But even a school kid can say…possession football gives you more control of the game. So, as a football team you should strive to keep the ball no matter what your style is. You can pass between defenders, midfielders, attackers….you can pass as slow as Barca or you can pass fast like Madrid (against other teams). It does not matter. Matches are controlled using passing and possession. That’s the way modern football is and catennacio is dead…a long time ago! If you still want to play it…then that’s your choice.
And what if Barca keeps the ball a lot more than they are supposed to? Why are you so worried about that aspect. It’s their way of playing and it’s something they have mastered. It’s their way of defending and in some ways it’s their way of saving energy during the game, staying fresh throughout the 90 mins. It’s a beautiful team strategy. We might not be able to match it…but there are ways to play around it and that’s not by sitting in your box and waiting for them to give the ball back to you. You got to press them high and press them enough to regain the ball or make them come forward. Don’t sit back and let them chew time and get comfortable with the game. Madrid have done this already in the Copa and Barca were shivering then. How did we lose that game? Messi genius and and Alves thunderbolt is all that separated us. Otherwise in an attacking sense…we were better!
At the same time, Barca can shoot at goal 100 times if they want but they choose not to. They want to create that one perfect chance and that is their objective. Would you call Barca a more attacking team if their ‘number of shots’ stat is higher? It’s quite shallow to go by numbers alone if you want to look at the aspect of ‘attacking’. I can have the most shittiest team on the planet and still get my shots on target higher than anyone else. Stats don’t speak anything to me.
Also, keeping the ball as you call it….is not something easy to do. I do not know if you play football but hoofing the ball away is much easier for me. I love doing it when I am under pressure. But patience in football is the toughest thing to come by and keeping the ball is god damn hard…no matter where you are on the pitch. Getting 11 players to think like that is even harder. I admire the way Barca can see the game with patience and as 90 minutes and not 10 or 20 minutes. Mourinho is good at looking at the game as 90 mins as well but a lot of Madrid players still have to learn this. This season more than ever…we have improved this aspect…and that’s how we have made a lot of comebacks. But there is still room for improvement.
About attacking chances for Barca…what about Tello’s shots, what about the Alves run…..what about all that possession in the Madrid half. What about playing with 3 defenders? It’s true they didn’t create enough…but this was down to tiredness, injured Villa, half injured Alexis….a lot of changes in their side. And inspite of all that…this weak Barca spent more time in our half than they were supposed to. Are you kidding me…we could have had our Manita if we wanted in this game! Why the hell didn’t Madrid maul this weak Barca. It was our perfect chance and we wasted it. Barca had as much to lose as we did but they were brave enough to take that risk, play with 3 defenders, push their line as high as possible and not use a defensive mid like Keita. They could have pushed back Busquets into CB along with Mascherano and used Puyol at LB. They didn’t…and hats off to them for that!
Man…I admit that I do sound like a Barca fan making a big case for you to believe me. But trust me…I am as Madridista as you can get.
Well, anyway…I think Madrid played well from a tactical point of view. Full marks to them and Jose for that. Amazing defending and world class goal keeping from my favourite player…Casillas. But from a psychological point of view…we can do better. I am just a Madridista who likes to see his team attack more and nothing else. That’s my only point.
If that makes me a lesser fan…then so be it! Have a good day
Hello Nirmal,
Nice comments from you here. I am a Barca fan, but your observations on the Barca style are really to the point. I can understand what you say about Barca being brave. May be this was the first classico – after the 5-0 on 29 Nov, when Barca could easily pass the ball through the centre of Madrid mid field, just that there were no forward runs to make use of these spaces as Messi was playing behind and there were nobody ahead. Villa and pedrom on form would have made a difference. See that pass from Messi to Xavi, In the 5-0 game, that pass – exactly same – was converted by Villa for the third goal. Also, with Abidal, I dont think Ozil’s pass would have reached Ronaldo. anyways many things like that.
From your name, just wondering if you are from Kerala. Would like to talk to you about football, if possible.
Lol, Difference is that Madrid’s line was about 20 yards deeper during both 1v1s. I’ll bet you anything, Mourinho was willing to gamble his approach on the fact that Messi would again find a way to finagle one or two golden balls through to create 1v1 opportunities, but the difference this time would be that Casillas would have the time and space to deny those chances.
If they play a high line and Messi plays those balls, Casillas and no other keeper in the world has a chance.
The Problem with playing a high line against Barca is the Messi problem. You can do w/e you want a thousand times against him, but he’ll still figure out a way to occupy four players and then after that odds of scoring are impossibly high. Madrid thus defended deep for two reasons, first was to minimize those two inevitable moments of brilliance from Messi (One of which actually came from Thiago), and to conserve energy for the tie in Midweek against Bayern. If they pressed high like Nirmal suggests, and especially for the full ‘90, you can just kiss that game against Bayern goodbye.
Yeah I am from Kerala
Email is nirmalmathewjohny@gmail.com
Hi,
I am Barca fan. I don’t believe it but i have to disagree and defend Real and Mourinho…regarding this game alone.
I really do think this is the first game in Pep era when he actually found his match.
The reasons:
1. Both Arbeloa and Contrao played a good game, with Contrao nullifying Dani, and Arbeloa, although allowed Tello couple of chances (which were from a difficult angle) did a pretty good job in defending the flank vs. Tello/ Iniesta. That caused Messi being isolated vs. Pepe/Ramos with help of the DM’s. Alexis solved that but it was too little too late.
2. Besides relatively calm and non-violent pressure (in RM standards), there were a new defence drill which they practiced for the first time where Alonso/Khedira instead of returning back to their position, continued a bit deeper and took the ball from Messi/Iniesta/Xavi from behind… I can’t believe nobody tried that sooner.
3.In general, since Rm didn’t need a win, they were calmer than usual.
4. Recently, Barca has a problem in first 15 minutes, while stabilizing the flow of the game… RM took advantage of that.First goal was on the 17th min.
5.The Utilized their shots. Barca did not.
I believe that in this game RM were better. I don’t think that means anything regarding future fixtures thou…
What takes more courage ? To have a direct attack ? or to hide the ball and pass back as much as you can to avoid losing posession?
No control at the start of the game cost Barca in my opinion. And obviously, they have a problem with runners. I thought Messi had a good game but when he went on a run, there was no one infront of him exploiting the space he left.
I know it’s just “if’s the but’s”, but if Villa was in Tello’s position, Barca still could have won this game quite comfortably. His positioning was great, but poor finishing again. They really are lacking players who can get it in the back of the net.
I don’t think this Barcelona team is the best club team ever but it is probably true this team is the best possession based football team ever. It has been a miracle to see, same team run so consistently for 3-4 seasons without major stamina problem already.
This is the team Messi with almost perfect supporting cast. Still, this team will run for while but it will not be easy since other team slowly start to realize how to defend against Barcelona, I think, Possession based football is great for the cup games, however it is not easy to score when opposition pack up in their own box with ten men and aim for quick breaking only. In league game, it may be better idea, allowing opposition has some ball possession for sake of own attacking point of view.
everything was going great with pep’s unstoppable 4-3-3. He keeps fiddling with the formation… why?
It’s been well documented by Jonathan Wilson/Sid Lowe/ZM that Pep has wanted to remain a step ahead of opponents by bringing variety to Barca’s game to prevent them from becoming predictable. Hence he tried a change w/ Zlatan, then he moved Messi into the false 9 role, and this year he’s tried 3-4-3 too. I applaud him for trying to keep people guessing, but if you tinker and don’t always get results or impress wih your performances, then you have to hold your hands up.
injuries and exhaustion?
When you look at this season in La Liga, you have to think that Villa’s injury was gigantic. This side should not be tinkering around with 3 men defenses, struggling to get attacking quality and breaking down defenses. The lack of an out and out striker is incredibly apparent.
here here!
Agree . Just think of Villa starting in place of Telo. He would have buried at least two of these chances.
Hi ZM,
Just a minor correction: your second diagram has Xavi still on the pitch (in place of Thiago) when in fact he had gone off for Sanchez.
Regards!
in the second picture you need to change xavi to thiago
thanks for the report, both teams got their chances real madrid scores more.
I think id messi played in the right and alexis in the centre barca would have won the game.
messi in playing as a false 9 is useless without runners.
As far as I can see, the top teams in Europe have started to figure out how to deal with the false nine role by Messi (recently, like Milan, Chelsea, R. Madrid) – they keep it quite tight between the lines, specifically they yield no space before their central defenders and Messi’s attempts to link with other teammates fail more frequently compared to the past. They try to stretch the play to the wings (that is why Tello was preferred in the first place today) in anticipation of such a tight defense but then the problem is that there is no ‘natural’ forward who has aerial ability in Barca’s squad (even Messi is originally a winger who could play inside forward role), and any cross from the wings can be easily handled by the opposition defenses. I thought that at some point in the beginning of the second half Guardiola could try to move Messi to the left wing (substituting Tello) and have Pedro or Alexis in the forward position, which could really surprise Real Madrid, as that switch to the false nine role of Messi did so for Sir Alex Ferguson & Manchester United in the Champions League Final in 2009. But Guardiola had other ideas, I guess.
I really miss David Villa nowadays.
Villa has been a huge miss. When it’s 0-0 in a game, opponents really do put most of there focus on Messi, and that makes Messi move into more of a proper number 10 but that’s when he wants runners so he can assist them, something he’s just as good at doing than scoring.
It happened once in this game when Xavi ran into Messi’s space, and Messi done an excellent pass but that was the only time I can think of when it happened. A few days ago, I was saying “Fabregas off for Iniesta” in a center role, but today was a game where Fabregas could have particularly caused a few problems for Madrid because he -does- run into that space.
Typically brilliant review from ZM. For further analysis take a look at my personal opinion here, and leave a comment with your opinion! http://tinyurl.com/82lyt6n
Great game today!
Madrid did what they had to today and it was also a mostly clean game. No complaints from this Barca fan. It has been obvious for weeks that we can’t find the back of the net. I think Afellay will be a good addition to the squad in the coming weeks, because, at least lately, nobody to like to take shots from any distance (or at least outside the box) except for Xavi. Thiago usually doesn’t mind some long range efforts and neither does Dani but they both have been very reticent lately. I think opposing teams realize this and therefore they don’t feel the need to come out and challenge for the ball.
Some of the lineup decisions were unbelievably questionable on Pep’s part, to be completely honest. Tello? Thiago? In the title decider for the league, was Pep a tad cocky?
Anyone saying Madrid didn’t deserve this is crazy – they executed their gameplan nearly flawlessly.
The fact that Barca needed to win meant that the match favored Real from the off. They essentially started the game 1-0 up because of this. Barca had to go for it more so than usual, and Madrid knew they’d have chances on the break.
It was evident very early on that Barca were going to have trouble breaking down Madrid. There wasn’t a single penetrative player in the starting XI – and as Michael has alluded to, it was shocking that Pep waited 70 minutes to introduce Sanchez.
Madrid were happy to let Barca move the ball laterally. Everytime Messi moved deep to collect the ball he was engulfed by white shirts. He was up against Ramos & Pepe, and if he looked to collect deeper, he ran into Xabi & Khedeira.
Messi created a great chance for Xavi seemingly out of nothing (and surrounded by 4 defenders) – other than that Barca never really looked particularly threatening.
Great article, though im so used to saying that it almost goes without saying.
But michael, Why oh why do you call Madrid “Real”? There are a thousand teams called real-something. Call them Madrid, as continentals/domestic madrilenos do. This is to distinguish them from Atletico, as fewer sides are called Atletico. Its similar to Milan and Inter- only brits say “A.C.”, which I cringe at.
Anyway about tonights thrilling game. I maaintain that had David Villa been fit barca would have comfortably won the chelsea game and this one, and thus probably the League and UCL. at chelsea, because bettwr finishing was required- particularly from free-kicks. Tonight, because I could not discern who was barcas centre forward.or second striker until Sanchez came on. A B-team player and a right-back as your forwards, with €60 million of fabregas and sanchez on the bench, the barcelona board cannot have been too impressed, especially when you consider the result.
Messi was shifted.from right-wing to centre striker.at the expense of Ibrahimovic, with guardiola stating ” I wanted him closer.to goal”. Very well, play him as a centre striker then . His role in this game was a waste of the player. He appeared to be relying on reputation and acting as a “sponge” to draw in defenders, however very rarely until sanchez appeared, did anyone do any running for.him. How barca could have used Ibra here!!
This game was winnable- barca are the better side. But pep is so focused on not being second.guessed with line ups here he second guessed himself and actually made mourinhos.job a lot easier.
I was.surprised to see Ozil, di Maria and Benzema all start, and actually play very.efficiently with a decent understanding begween them. The team looked too weak to.compete with Barca, but with no striker to deal with, Madrids team had a chance and they certainly took it.
I may eat these words, but it is not a result that will be replicated by mourinhos Madrid, assuming he remains at madrid. Light weight pundits are probably heralding the end of guardiolas dream team, but will be hushed by a champs Lge win. Victorious circles do work in sets of 3 years, it seems, but cesc, messi and others are yet very young and a couple of signings in summer, Cavani and a utility defender for example , they will be fine.
who cares? he can call them whatever he wants
Yes but for a writer who writes for places like espn, guardian, just making a suggestion that he should perhaps not use layman’s language… though he can call them whatever he wants i guess
This was by far the worst match Barcelona has played against Real in the Pep era. Barcelona had several needless giveaways early in the match, and none of the midfielders seemed to understand their roles. It was weird seeing Xavi play so high up. He hasn’t done that for Barca in a long time. When he dropped deeper, the team was noticeably more comfortable and neat on the ball. Thiago should have been playing the more attacking role from the start instead of Xavi. Pep was clearly saving Pique, Fabregas and Sanchez for Chelsea. The Tello and Thiago selections showed me Pep wasn’t throwing the game, but perhaps was not bothered by not winning.
Tello’s role was all wrong. Arbeloa rarely gets forward, and Barcelona needed an in-cutting player there to unsettle the back line (Pedro). If Pedro doesn’t start against Chelsea, I’ll be surprised. Pedro and Sanchez would have been the best choices with Messi up top.
I was very nonplussed by Guardiola’s use of Thiago. He seems to be the sort of player who is best when he has some freedom to roam and link up with the forwards, which is what Barcelona were missing. He didn’t contribute much as an additional holder; surely, for the sake of keeping possession, the usual quartet of Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta-Messi would have sufficed?
I don’t really care about the head-to-head: league titles are about consistency against all opposition, not head to heads. Even if Real had lost this game and won the title, it would not have ruined the party at the Cibeles.
Agree with ZM on this one. It definitely wouldn’t have spoiled the party for Real fans, but the feeling that they weren’t better until they beat them is surely relevant to everyone else, especially with a Champs League final coming up in which Real may well not have to play Barca anymore. For image sake, they needed a win.
I think this whole “leagues never lie” is a slight fallacy. Take 09, Man Utd beating Liverpool by a couple of points despite losing twice to them (obviously including the 4-1 at Old Trafford). Who cares that Man Utd won a few more anonymous games against Cannon Fodder Utd; that doesn’t make you better as such, and it would have been the same here.
(Still, titles are titles, that’s all the fans remember, I agree with you there.)
What I felt is the reason behind Barcelona’s poor results in their last 2 matches is their unwillingness to play a big striker such as Llorente, Drogba or Cavani or any striker of such a mould. I believe that Guardiola does not see the need for one, given that after he sold Ibrahimovic, he did not seek to sign a replacement. Instead, he used David Villa on the wing and played Messi in the middle as a false nine.Guardiola’s mistake from the start was to sell Eto’o and Henry. Both are big and fast players who will cause defenders problems with their pace. Players from Barcelona’s academy may be skillful but they lack height. A big player would have given them a Plan B, especially when height is needed.
Great analysis Michael!! always notice things that are hard to see. IT will be exciting to see Bayern – Real, seems like tactics will play aa big role..
Also, I have to say, the celebration by Ronaldo after his goals sums up the day quite nicely. He motions “calm down”, points to himself as if to say “I got this”, then motions “calm down” again. As if to say, stop the worrying, we have discovered our confidence for the big games, I can carry the team, come at me Bayern. Looking forward to this second leg even more now!
Agreed, I much prefer this celebration over him flashing his leg!
Oh, that was painful to watch. Brought back terrible memories of Brazil ‘82 and ‘86. Typical case of negative, counterattacking, and physical football winning over entertaining art, resulting in us having to endure years of ugly and boring football. But I digress…
ZM has it right on. When its packed in this much, you need width for crosses and runners into the box, and Barca had neither. If they did, Real’s lines would have opened up, and the middle would have been there for exploitation. But just as ZM says, Real’s defenders had an easy time of it – cheated, really – knowing there was no threat from crosses.
They no longer have the coordination and dribbling quickness to force it through the middle like they could in the past few years. Plus Real Madrid has improved immensely at their game.
Plus remember the width and crossing Alves used to provide, which is no longer there, partly because he’s slowed down, but also partly because they’re not overlapping.
I like some of the suggestions here, such as putting Messi on the left wing. Or on the right wing with an overlapping Alves. But then they need an orthodox winger on the left because they need crosses.
Also, if he’s healthy, get Keita in to provide long range shooting and running into the box, as well as a bit more of a physical presence in the midfield.
If they keep Messi in the middle, then have him as an out and out striker, cross low and hard, and rely on him to beat the defenders to the loose balls on the ground.
Barca better get it right. There’s a lot at stake in our little football bubble! It would be terrible if Mourinho won the Champion’s League. We’d end up with years of Mourinho inspired anti-football, until the next artists…
Goals Scored:
Real Madrid 109
Barcelona 97
Define “Anti-Football”
>> Define “Anti-Football”
My thoughts exactly.
It perplexes me a bit that some people keep equating possession with “positivity.” Possession is just a means to an end. Often the team with more possession will seem to be more attacking, simply because having the ball provides that option. But I’ve also watched Barca sit on leads and suffocate games by retaining possession in non-dangerous areas for minutes on end. I don’t have any problem with this–it’s a perfectly valid tactic–but it’s boring, and to me it’s just a more skilled (and less violent) form of “negativity.”
I also disagree with the notion that counterattacking football is necessarily ugly or boring. On the contrary, well-executed counterattacks provide breathless moments full of surprise and sudden urgency, and can often result in remarkable goals. Madrid’s game-winning counterattack is a perfect example; Ozil’s pass and Ronaldo’s turbo-sprint finish were for me (as a neutral fan) the most thrilling and impressive bit of play in the game. (Ozil’s pass in particular was amazing–the fact that he perfectly placed the ball at that distance and under that kind of split-second pressure.)
I can define it for you easily reading his post…any team which doesn’t pass the ball endlessly horizontally or backwards is playing “anti-football.”
I do think that Madrid are much more potent when they are attacking though. I did not like how the team reacted after scoring their goal. Before the goal it was advantage to Madrid, after the goal, advantage to Barca, and then after the Barca goal, Madrid went back on the attack and had advantage. Mou’s biggest weakness is his stubborness, and he is stubborn with playing defensive against Barca.
To each his own.
Where I come from, we enjoy dribbling and passing and the intricacies. Goals can even be considered an anti-climax! Shooting from long range was an act of frustration, not a thing of beauty!
We enjoyed watching Maradona but were bored by Rossi.
Anyway…
Counterattacking has always been referred to as anti-football because it’s based on defensive football first, which most people consider boring. Imagine if Barcelona had Mourinho (or most other coaches) as coach. They would have been much more cautious and defended deep, counterattacking with Messi and one or two others. We’d have ended up with a boring match, probably 0-0.
Madrid have had more penalties this season than Barcelona have had under Guardiola, i seem to remember hearing that somewhere. Maybe its the last 2 seasons. but that accounts for a fair share of their goals.
Also you cant get too sanctimonious about football… Only two or three teams would win in that case. Real Madrid are a good team as well as Barcelona, Italy were good in 82 as well as Brazil, France were a great team then too.
Maybe the difference between our opinions is based solely on the fact I’m not from Europe and so do not have old time definitions in my head? However, Real scores more goals and has less possession. To me, that’s attacking when you have the ball, and is fantastic to watch. To presume a 0-0 score based on the coach’s philosophy that led his team to break the club’s all-time scoring record seems foolish. Although I understand Mourinho rubs many people the wrong way.
I don’t have a horse in this race, so I’ll just say this to be fair; When Barcelona needs to score, they are one of my favorite teams to watch. But as soon as they have the lead, I don’t get the appeal of watching passing without any intent to attack. It is amazing how skilled they are to be able to do this, but it seems like such a waste of talent to try and kill the game off this way, albeit with the ball.
Dont worry. Bayern will win in Madrid.
Didn’t agree with Guardiola’s use of a 3-4-3 today.
The 3-4-3 has consistently given up chances on the break against La Liga sides – today was no exception against the pace of Madrid.
In addition to being fragile at the back, Barca also didn’t capitalise on the numerical advantage in central midfield. Possession was, overall, kept in front of Madrid defence, and there was barely any attempts to get in behind (Xavi chance excepted).
As ZM pointed out, there were no midfield runners. I think this was the biggest reason why Barca were poor today – no penetration. (Can anyone tell me what Thiago’s role was today?)
Messi dropping deep in his false 9 role does absolutely nothing if no one exploits the space he creates..
There was no spark from the wingers either. The midfield didn’t pull the fullbacks inside, and so there was little opportunity for the wingers to get into goalscoring positions. The exceptions to this were where Tello made runs in behind Arbeloa.
I thought Alves was very average. Never really understood fielding him high up as a winger. Coentrao just stayed on his feet and Alves couldn’t create anything – just kept passing the ball backwards and sideways. Still believe his pace and energy is better used at the back to recover and stop those counter-attacks (while still providing those trademark runs from deep)…
Well, it’s back-to-back defeats for Barcelona and goodbye to the La Liga title.
Barca were poor (by their standards), but credit to Madrid – they defended well, and like Chelsea, took their (limited) chances on set pieces and on the break.
Madrid had more shots on target, shots off target, and corners than Barca. So really, Barca failed to take their limited chances more than the other way around.
I thought this game and Barca vs chelsea game showed that sometimes football is a simple game.
If you don’t take your chances you don’t win. If xavi took his chance and tello had another good chance later on, this game will be a totally different game.
Btw Barca problem is simple,they lose abidal and pique hence they looks really bad against set pieces.
and Villa for goals.
Just wondering why there was very little if any referee issues tonight. I don’t think even the most insane Barca fan will say they were cheated tonight. No red cards, no PKs, etc. What was different about tonight i wonder. This is a serious question and not a bait.
Barcelona forgot to take their pills.
Exactly,spot on!
I think the answer is simple. Real Madrid had the advantage the whole time. They therefore didn’t have to resort to physical and late tackles. Pepe’s (what I thought would be his first) yellow only came in the 44th minute.
Exactly, if Barcelona had taken the lead, it’s a good bet that Marcelo would have started his routine of cynical tackles.
i think that the ref gave Madrid the rub of the green in the game. Their players, especially Casillas, were guilty of a lot of time-wasting. Pepe and Ramos, di Maria, they did a lot of simulation and while it didn’t personify the game, a couple of bookings would have stamped it out the game. They never came.
Also madrid’s first goal is offside. I dont think the ref did it deliberately or something, but was a bit more lenient on stuff like that than you’d expect for the biggest game of the club calendar.
Puyol touched the ball before Khedira, its not offside. Also as the ball is headed by Pepe, Adriano is keeping Khedira onside, his legs are in line with Khedira, despite being in mid-air. Offisdes doesn’t matter if you are on ground or not.
I have often thought that Pep is trying to be too clever this season, and this is more evidence.
The simple 4-3-3 seemed to suit all the players perfectly. When they played like this, no other side could handle them. It can be said that he has tried to make them less predictable, which I can understand. But I also think that formations are much overrated, and players win games, not formations.
Oh Dear!
We all know a back three struggles against 4-2-3-1. Even Bielsa has abandoned it in Spain because it needs to be against two up front to work effectively. But Pep goes for a back three against one of the finest exponents of 4-2-3-1 in Europe right now!
It’s supposed to be based on total football Pep! You know, one more defender that the opposition have forwards! It was a day for 4-3-3 proper with fullbacks pushing on, not Puyol and Adriano playing half centreback and half fullback whilst Busquests shuttled between midfield and centreback. Bet Ozil couldn’t believe his luck everytime he saw Busquets running away from him to fill the gap that opened up at the back everytime Ronaldo and Di Maria drew Puyol and Adriano out of the middle.
I’ve said it one before on this forum and I’ll say it again. One day Barca will be on the wrong end of a Denmark v Spain (circa 1986) thrashing because of Pep’s tactics.
Yup Pep has lost the plot this season.
Agreed 100%. 4-3-3, or even 4-4-2, would have been most appropriate. It seems to me that Guardiola has to face the fact that he can’t always force his theories or ideologies.
Guardiola have never been good at tactics…
From a Barca supporter
Barcelona controlled possession, Real Madrid controlled the space. Overall, Real Madrid controlled the match.
As a Barcelona fan, the main thing I hope Pep Guardiola and all cules realize is that possession and midfield isn’t everything. Not all Barca fans think this way of course, but I have to say that the majority do. Over the years, FCB have become more and more obsessed with all possession, nothing else. Don’t you dare shoot or dribble, because you might lose possession. Make the attackers drop deep, because we don’t play with attackers, we play with midfielders! Strikers go against tiki taka, false 9 is god!
We have actually lost sight of our tiki taka in the midst of all this indirectness. I’m not exaggerating here, a large percentage of Barcelona fans have this mentality. And it has gotten worse over time. In Pep’s first year, it was fantastic. Because even with Messi often dropping deep between the lines, Eto’o and Henry would stay as high up as possible. They scared the crap of defenses and forced them to make a hard decision: either guard us and leave Messi open, or follow Messi and give me a chance. I dare ya, just me a chance. The result was opposition’s defense dropping deeper and giving Messi space to kill you, or them challenging Messi, signing their own death sentence as Messi plays a through ball for Henry or Eto’o (they were both fast and powerful enough to get through). Eto’o and Henry weren’t extremely technical, they lost the ball often, and they didn’t contribute much to ball circulation and transitions. Good. Barcelona were direct.
As I read in another article, attacking was their intent, and possession was their tool. But it slowly switched to possession being the intent, with some attacking vibes. Attack either staying too far wide or dropping too deep. What does that do? It makes the CBs free. One can step up and challenge Messi, the other can create extra cover. The false 9 worked at first because it was new: opposition CBs would get confused and wouldn’t step up to challenge Messi. Messi would get all the same space between the lines, and Barcelona would have an extra midfield contributor. But teams quickly learned.
And Barca fans say they don’t want a Striker because Messi does so well as a false 9. First of all, I care about how the team does better, not how Messi does better. Second of all, why would Messi suffer? Messi would more or less play the same position he plays now. He would play as a 10. He would have a lot more space, not having to worry about challenging CBs. To get the best out of Messi, I think a striker is REQUIRED. And I think Pep has realized this, which is why he has played Sanchez as a 9 in front of Messi so many times this season. Athletic Bilbao actually play the style that should be used by Barcelona. Tiki taka, yet very offense-driven and direct. Barca fans don’t want a tall forward, because they are afraid of any reminders of Ibra. Seriously. They think tall forward goes against total football and turns us into an EPL long ball team. But you know what? Llorente is one of the most important facilitators of Athletic Bilbao’s version of tiki taka. I want him in Barcelona, although it’s very unlikely. No wingers, attacking midfielders, second strikers, or inverted wingers. Give me damn striker. And I hope he is tall. And I hope we send long balls to him, and I hope we score headers, and I hope we regain the directness from Pep’s first season.
Guardiola has repeatedly said that possession in and of itself is meaningless unless they translate to goals scored and prevention of goals conceded. He said exactly this after the match against Chelsea.
The implementation and execution may be off balance now – some of the supporters may have lost sight of things – but Guardiola and the club haven’t.
I agree and it has made Barcelona games really, really boring to watch (although, to be fair, I am a Madridista). I used to watch most Barcelona games but now I only watch the games versus Valencia, Athletic, Sevilla & Atlético, basically.
I also have to criticize the role Guardiola has given Alexis. Did he sign Alexis as a goal poacher? Because if that was what he wanted, he should’ve gotten Cavani or even Di Natale (although he’s really old), or Pato or Chicharito (dunno if that was possible though, he was really important to United in the 10/11 season), heck, he has Pedro & Villa for that. Alexis was much more creative and fun to watch at Udinese, where he had much more freedom to dribble, shoot or pass. Now, in Barcelona, he’s forced to play a back-pass even though he could try to blaze past the defender, he seldomly does. And this was what happened to Ibrahimovic too (some people were going crazy about the goals he scored, but look at his role at Inter, Juventus, Ajax and Milan and compare it to his role at Barcelona, did Guardiola really sign him to score tap-ins?).
At the moment, I feel like the only players that play with a great deal of freedom is Messi & Iniesta. I don’t know if it’s because the other players aren’t allowed to dribble, shoot or whatever, or if they’re scared of losing possession and losing their place in the team because of that but I don’t think it’s good for Barcelona in the long-run. Right now, Messi is incredible and he can take on four or five men on his own and create space, but what happens if he gets an injury?
Why would a player as technically limited as Chicharito be of any use to Barca?
Given that most teams defend closer to their goal against Barca (and the man thrives on space) allied to his poor technique what would Chicha do in such confined spaces?
Against teams that defend high, whilst his pace can be devastating, he simply is not patient enough and as a result he gets caught offside too many times in a match which would lead to a collapse of many attacks
really spot-on about the directness of Barca 08-09. I admit that in the following years the team was much more cohesive and efficient, but pep’s first year team was by far the most spectacular and fun to watch, imo.
In the past Mourinho has gone back and forth with how compact to keep his block. In matches when he’s pressed high his team has almost false pressed and not remained compact. This was the situation in the first Liga Clasico in which Barca prevailed 1-3.
The problem with not staying compact vs. Barca is that few sides have ever been as effective at exploiting space interior to a defensive block. This is a particularly risky strategy when Messi is involved.
When Madrid have stayed compact vs. Barca it’s largely been related to them playing three defensive midfielder and/or sitting deep. This however limits their fluidity and creative play.
Today they Madrid were much more balanced. Their block was compact but at least in the first half not excessively deep. In turn however they pressed less up the pitch. But the trade off was worth it as staying compact against Barcelona is a must – regardless of where the block is exactly positioned.
Given how well Madrid played in the first half it was a bit curious to see Mourinho move his block significantly deeper so early in the second half. Given how well their approach worked it seemed perhaps a bit too conservative. But the second goal made this point an aside in terms of result.
A special note is due to Mesut Ozil a player who has fallen short out of possession at times in the past. This was an outstanding defensive performance for Ozil given the context of his prior play – one of the best of his career. He was critical to Madrid achieving defensive vigor as a system while still retaining attacking thrust.
On Barcelona-they simply ran out of options outside of Messi. The injury to Sanchez was an enormous blow. Because Madrid were staying compact but not sitting extremely deep in the first half there was space to stretch the pitch vertically. That’s what Barca desperately needed. Sanchez is excellent in making intelligent runs and has elite pace. In addition, he very strong so he can play against CBs-even ones as physical as Ramos and Pepe.
But there’s not other player on Barca with the kind of skill set Sanchez has so Guardiola had limited options. Tello was likely selected to inject pace into the attack.
Xavi is clearly injured more than the club is letting on. His achilles is bothering him again this season and he simply hasn’t looked right for several matches. This is likely part of the reason why Thiago was fielded and fielded in a deep position. It was to reduce how much Xavi would have to run in the match. Usually when teams press Barca Xavi will drop very deep to build play. Guardiola was trying to reduce the load on him.
Barcelona has also reached a limit of how short the team can be. In general far too much is made of their set piece defense – which in the past has been very good. But with Abidal and Pique out it’s too much.
Barca’s clearance on the first goal was extremely poor – but what made that play was Pepe towering over Adriano to head the corner down. What was so telling about that was that Adriano was perfectly positioned in the zonal defense to deal with that ball. He was simply too short and not strong enough to do so. The position of Adriano in the zonal defense was the one Abidal frequently plays for Barca.
If you look at the past 3 goals Barca have conceded – the one vs Chelsea and the 2 vs. Madrid – all three have been related to deficits created by Abidal’s absence. The two goals from open play were on counters that ultimately scored down Barca’s left flank. The corner was influenced by Adriano’s lack of height. Abidal’s pace and positioning at LB/CB have snuffed out so many counters against Barca. His height instrumental to their defense in the box.
Couple the absence of Abidal to that of Pique’s due to the hamstring – Barca has reached a tipping point where they aren’t secure defending the box on set pieces. The same could be seen vs. Chelsea – especially on Ivanovic’s long throwa into the box.
Guardiola has always strongly preferred a small squad. But with an important core of his team playing almost continuously since 2008 (club and country) and the injuries to players like Villa and Abidal – the side has reached a kind of limit that there was insufficient depth to deal with. The trade offs with the small squad were always difficult to manage. This season in La Liga they tipped over too far for Guardiola to compensate for fully.
All this said, if Barca can get through Chelsea they’ll be able to rest and will be very dangerous in a CL final.
Fantastic point on the impact of Abidal’s absence. His defensive positioning is excellent and arguably the best of any fullback out there. I have watched many Barca matches and have noticed how near impossible it is for any team to create chances from that leftback zone.
I am a Real Madrid fan since I was a kid, but I really admire this Barcelona team. Nevertheless, I have noticed that as Messi keeps improving his excellence compared to (hmm, well) everybody, this seems to affect his teammates as well. I mean it seems that they have stopped running as a team supporting each other and start creating space for Messi to do his magic. It is like they are also enjoying his game instead of supporting it. This also has to do with the fact that Messi is still 24-25 and still improving while the other creative key players of Barca, namely Iniesta and Xavi, are at their thirties and declining. So, it is either that they can no longer keep up at the same pace for so many games throughout the year or that they are also kind of bored/frustrated of this constantly growing one man show the Barca team has allowed Messi to provide.
In that sense Ronaldo’s role is even more “valuable” than the goal he scored. His show-off keeps the comparison between the two alive, and urges Messi to go proving who is better. The thing is we all know the answer. But Ronaldo is not a team player, therefore his playing only to score is the best he can offer his team. But Messi is a team player, and Barca has started forgetting it, and that is the cause of their attacking decline in terms of chances created and finished for a team with such a ball posession. Surely, Villa’s injury might have started all of these, but a team like Barca should have found ways to overcome this.
I agree with you. In a sense Barca are too reliant on Messi. If Messi is not fully fit as has been claimed in some quarters then he should have been rested and Barca play without Leo. The end result might still be the same but it would have resulted in alternative approaches by Pep. Wonder what would happen with Barca if Leo is injured for long term and / or if Pep resigns / takes a break. More questions need to be answered with the losses (vs Chelsea and El Clasico). What ails Pique?
It seems like Barcelona have not had the smooth transitions they usually have close to the goal area BUT this time I saw Mourinho did not focused his defence on the players or the balls but on spaces and key receptors. I saw Busquets take the lead more often, Iniesta was inaccurate and haven’t managed to overpass Arbeloa when he played on the left wing side, as well as Cuenca. I feel that Pep took both Arbeloa and Coentrao for granted (or these two got in better shape and concentration than in the match against Bayern). Hehe, it’s easy talk for me right? Thiago haven’t gravitated neither. Xavi was good, the best for me and shocked me when he was replaced. Anyway, if you look deep it opened spaces and thus, Alexis’ goal was reached quickly. Every game is different, but I get the feeling Pep needs to change some tactical positioning against Chelsea, if this team has learned something from this match.
The difference in this game: Ozil. He looked up and made a perfect pass.
There’s a simplicity to what he does that is wonderful to watch.
The real difference was how much space and time he had to measure that pass. Huge mistake by Adriano and Busquets on that.
Oezil always has such a ball in him, when not closed down immediately.
Does anyone else think that Pep fiddles a bit too much for Barca’s own good, often to their detriment? He’s good but not quite the brilliant tactician everyone thinks, and occasionally lets little agendas get in the way too.
Jeffren and kids on instead of Henry, chasing two goals against Inter in 2010? Alves as a winger (which usually doesn’t work that well)? No Pique (smacks of his treatment of Eto’o/Ibra/”larger than life” types)? Cesc as a forward? Setting a formation to match Milan rather than beat them on Braca’s strengths? Ibra for Eto’o (because of a “wrong feeling” for Eto’o)? All those times he ineffectively put Iniesta on the left?
He’s their man of course but doesn’t get it right all the time.
Pretty much what I’ve been thinking. He seems too keen to prove that he was “right” on some of the bigger occasions; playing the back three here as if to prove a point rather than thinking about what’s best for the team; starting Ibra against Inter in the second leg after he didn’t work in the first; and several of the points you make here too. I can’t help but feel if he’d swallowed his pride more often he may well be looking at four consecutive leagues and European Cups.
I lean towards agreement. Pep is a great in-game tactician, but not necessarily a prodigious one. In fact, I get the feeling that he relies very heavily on assistant coach Tito Vilanova for tactical advice during matches. Pep’s strengths–and he’s won something like 13 out of 16 trophies during his tenure–are that he is a master on the practice pitch: a brilliant visionary, excellent motivator, and insightful trainer.
Look at the exponential improvement of Messi, Busquets, Pedro, Abidal, Pique and others under Guardiola. He knows how to improve them. Even polished players like Mascherano can transform under his tutelage, and they’re quite vocal about how much they admire him as a tutor and leader. (Ibra might be the exception, but unlike established buys like Mascherano/Villa/Sanchez, I don’t think he ever committed to putting team above ego). Obviously, on top of that, Pep has developed and implemented an innovative style. The man is an artist.
That said, sometimes he makes in-game mistakes. Bielsa and Unai Emery have beaten him on occasion in terms of tactics. I’m skeptical of his decision-making in this Clasico as well, particularly the positioning of Iniesta, the 3-man defense, and the inclusion/usage of Tello. But Guardiola HAS to experiment. Unless he keeps experimenting, other teams will catch up.
After all, I’m tired of watching Barcelona attempt to dribble to ball to the 6-yard line before shooting. Defenses can park on the 18-yard line in confidence that no one but Alves (will it go over the crossbar), Iniesta (wide), Villa (injured), or XAVI will ever shoot from outside the box. Both Chelsea and Madrid have correctly bet on this in recent games. Barcelona had 72% possession in this Clasico, but only 3 shots on goal (compared to Madrid’s 6?). They’re spending too much time dancing around the fringes of the goal area, but are being neither daring nor clinical enough in the final 18 yards. Pep needs to introduce more directness and better finishing.
Immediately before Ronaldo’s goal, I said something about how Madrid’s inverted wingers were killing their game. Then Oezil had to go ahead and shut me up…
To elaborate on that, too often Madrid had a great break down the wing, Di Maria would run the ball down, look up, spot 3 open teammates, but then cut onto his left foot and get disposessed.
As an Inter fan, it made me think of how Mourinho played Eto’o and Pandev on their “true” sides, which made the transitions tremendously quick. I just think if a team is looking to break, inverted wingers are an inefficient choice.
Interesting point. I wonder what ZM has to say about inverted wingers in the context of counter-attacking.
That said, I feel that for Madrid in particular it would be very counter-productive to bring Ronaldo over to the right, as he is also their biggest goal threat and better suited to starting from the left or the middle.
Fair point about Ronaldo, although if Mourinho was willing to move Eto’o over to the right, he might be willing to do the same for Ronaldo.
In most cases, this shouldn’t apply to Real, they’re very much a possession-based team, and inverted wingers are fantastic for possession. It’s only an issue when they plan exclusively on countering, in which case Mourinho would have to make his decision. Option 1 is sacrifice Ronaldo’s goal threat to give Benzema/Higuain 4 or 5 good chances, or keep Ronaldo on the left but only give him 1 or 2 good chances.
If you want my preference, I tend to build my teams in most video games with one inverted winger and one “true” wide player.
What Mourinho did was keep Barcelona’s back line and Busquets busy with a high line of Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema and Di Maria. This provides a 5 v 4 situation and limits Busquets build up phase. This also leaves Real Madrid with 6 v 5 in terms of their holding midfielders and defenders against Barcelona’s midfielders and attackers. They looked comfortable. Splitting the play like this made Barcelona a little less cohesive. The only way of breaking down Madrid would be beating players, which to be fair Messi did in the build up to the equaliser.
Main problem for Barca is that they are tired.They can’t press like before,and so that’s why Real have easily directed passes and croesses to the front.
Pep needs some tactical lessons from Spalletti. You do not play wide with a false 9, neither you play with 3 defenders. It works against weaker teams with poor defense, but not against good defensive sides, that can break fast in a counter-attack. I also do not understand why the holder Xavi is doing the forward runs. When Spalletti used De Rossi as a holder doing the forward runs, his Roma side was losing a lot of matches, but then when he put Pizzaro as a holder and moved De Rossi in a more forward position both him and Perrotta scored and assisted much better.
And I am sorry for the Messi fans, but he lacks the creativity, the intelligence and the shooting power and accuracy of Totti. Messi’s dribbles are amazing, but when you play a narrow 4 in the back he closes himself with these dribbles and all he can do is to pass wide or backwards.
I really hope you’ve watched other matches so you can witness some of the intelligence and creativity that Messi has. You’re really missing out if you’re basing it on the last few matches.
Barca are lacking top-class goalscorers other than Messi. I think Pep’s idea was that Sanchez and Fabregas would provide that, but this season both are underperforming (though Sanchez is nearly OK). The Villa (and Pedro) injuries add to that, although both are more functional strikers. I think a Llorente would do Barca good, somebody who is technical, but also very physical to keep opponent CBs busy…
I think the decision to play a 343 backfired for Barcelona, for a must win game they should have started with more of a hybrid between 343 and 443.
In defence, Mascherano was guilty of being dragged out of position by Benzema to easily, creating space for Ronaldo, who could easily out run Puyol. Barcelona needed a more solid back two, rather than Busquets dropping back, as Madrid’s breaks were too fast for this sort of switching of positions. Though I would disagree Madrid’s pressing worked at the back, Mascherano and Busquets were rarely pressed well and could bring the ball forward into midfield. The decision to play Adriano seemed flawed, he played in back three, where he was exposed by Di Maria breaking at speed and didn’t have the quality on the ball to bring the ball forward from the back. Puyol should have started there (he moved later in the game) and Pique should have started in the centre with Mascherano, as he would have given height and organisation at set pieces.
In midfield, Barcelona could keep the ball excellently with Xavi, Busquets and Thiago. Thiago in particular impressed me, as he always seemed a threat on the ball. He provided some great final balls that were wasted (I remember a great one for Tello), used his dribbling skills to get forward into dangerous positions and was also good defensively, dispossessing Khedira well a few times and making some good tackles to stop breaks. He was one of Barcelona’s best players and justified his surprise start. It was a shame Iniesta couldn.t do similar. He was poor, losing possession in positions Madrid could break dangerously from, looking too tired to press effectively and worst of all he rarely ran into the spaces Messi was creating for him, meaning Madrid could defend comfortably.
In attack, Messi had a tough game. He rarely got support with good runs from the wing or midfield and found it hard to create space for himself. Madrid were able to let one of their CB’s out of defence to follow him, as no other players were utilising the space created. On the left, the use of a quick winger against Arbeloa worked in theory. Tello was able to get into dangerous positions by isolating Arbeloa, but the problem was his final ball was incredibly poor and such a big game, Barcelona shouldn’t have been relying on the youngster to provide the only penetration. The use of Alves high was a bad decision. He didn’t get the ball as much and Coentrao could get used to him being in the same position. Barcelona should have used him as an attacking wingback, as he would have got into positions high up anyway, but also given Madrid a worry about Ronaldo tracking him or not.
Overall, Barcelona’s strategy was flawed. The use of Adriano in a defensive position was a waste of the player and Puyol should have started on the left. Pique should have started next to Mascherano to give more height to the side and to allow Mascherano to cover against Ronaldo (as he is the fastest CB). Alves should have started in more of a dual position, covering the right flank as a wingback with Mascherano covering for him. The midfield three was fine, but arguably Fabregas should started in Iniesta’s position as he is much better at connecting with messi and running into the space that is created. I would liked have seen the more experienced pedro on the left, as his final ball might have been better. The decision to bring on Sanchez worked well by creating space for Messi and also giving a better presence in the penalty area, but the back three was exposed straight away by the fluid front three and Madrid deserved their win.
As others have noted, before Ozil gave the pass for CR7’s goal, you can clearly see Busquets literally running AWAY from Ozil, leaving him free just to take up his position as CB with Puyol and Mascherano.
Barcelona don’t need to be hugging lines anymore…It’s just not working. And i don’t agree with what you said about them stretching Real’s defence. What Real did and what many others have done is to suffocate the space around Messi. That wouldn’t be a problem for Barcelona if they played with 2 inside forwards instead of wingers/wide-forwards. You often see Messi making a run (with the ball), drawing lots of defenders and when he looks to slide a through-ball, the nearest guy is hugging the touch-line! It’s not working! And not only in this match. This whole season. They are struggling to score goals. The current system is very good until the opponents’ last quarter. They should play 2 inside forwards, let Alves do his usual role (hugging the line, attacking space that’s been vacated by the would-be wideforward/Winger) but as a RB and replicate this with the LB also. This would be a 4-3-3 but with 2 inside forwards with Messi in his false 9. There, defenders will have many questions; do they come forward and stop Messi or they stand-off, run to the channels to stop the 2 inside forwards? Literally, Barcelona should have 2 players in either channels ahead of Messi. Otherwise, it will keep on being Messi v Real Madrid, Messi v Chelsea..Messi v other teams…..He’s the only player I have ever seen so deadly with the ball that even a slight pocket of space is enough for a through-ball or a curve. That explains why teams commit 4 or 5 sometimes even 6 players to tackle him!
Some people have touched on the positioning of alves, for me too, that is a bone of contention. ZM mentioned “He’s better bombing forward than starting as a forward” which is correct, brilliant player though he is, this positioning limits the fluidity of the team. First of all, on the night he was out wide to stretch the play, but nobody exploited the space (which real negated well). As a right winger, you are looking for the closest central midfielder to you, to support you behind the ball, if not there, then surging beyond you into the space you have created. This work sparsely, although the case in point would be xavi’s first half chance. You also require the same support from a FULL-BACK, playing a back three limited the fluidity of the side, Alves was too stationary, no decoy running meant that too often he was simply stood on the flank in complete isolation, he didn’t go past coentrao all evening and I lost count of the times he threw a dummy but then moved the ball on. There were frequently occasions when he was up against coentrao with 2 madrid players covering and virtually no support. I believe his isolation contributed to his repeated decision to cross the ball (too much is made of barcelona player’s height, cesc scored notable headers this season, but you can overdo any avenue of attack and it became predictable). The mechanics of every barca team pep created included, technical inverted wingers with a goal threat, and full-backs with attacking nouse and quality. They overloaded the centre whilst stretching the outside. Playing through the centre is the barca maxim. obviously circumstance denotes that you have evolve and not be predictable, but i think there must have been a better alternative.
Real Madrid were brave in picking a more attacking side, with Ozil playing high up and Ronaldo on the left.
Defensively the back six worked well. Ramos followed Messi into deep positions with Pepe covering against rare runs from midfield. With Alonso and Khedira playing very deep this meant Messi couldn’t play between the lines and a lack of support to ease the pressure meant he has one of his worst perfromances in an el clasico. The fullbacks were pinned back, with Arbeloa isolated and exposed by Tello, though a weak final ball meant it didn’t change the game. Alves was less effective against Coentrao who had a great game defensively.
In midfield, Khedira did well to stop Iniesta from getting into dangerous positions, though this did create space for Thiago at times. Alonso took responsibility for starting counter attacks and a lack of pressure from Xavi meant he could do so relatively well.
The decision to pick Ozil was a brave decision that justified itself with an excellent performance. Ozil pulled his weight defensively breaking up the interplay of the midfield three to start quick counter attacks and the man never stopped running. He was also a good attacking weapon, though rarely a threat himself, he was great at wandering into space and playing the killer ball for Ronaldo (as the second goal showed). Di Maria was probably the weakest of the front four, but created general width by attacking adriano and stretching the Barca back three in counter attacks. Benzema played the striker role to good effect, by dragging Mascherano out of position to create space for Ronaldo and also by holding the ball up to help get his team up the pitch. Ronaldo was the key player in this, the rest of the attack was organised to create perfect opportunities of him when he made runs inside and the goal showed this perfectly. He managed to get into dangerous positions quite a few times and if his finishing had been better Real Madrid could have claimed an ever bigger scalp.
Overall, Madrid defended superbly with six players, could get the ball forward through Alonso and had a big threat in attack through Ronaldo in open play and through set pieces – where Barcelona were poorly organised.
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Then Mascherano. And I don’t why he’s used as a cover when clearly his game-reading is still low. Puyol should be the cover. Mascherano is great at stopping play with his excellent tackles and toughness but he’s out of depth as a cover. Look at Ronaldo’s goal and Drogba’s goal on wednesday. Yesterday, Puyol would have anticipated the space behind him and may be would have cut out that pass..
Great article once again, but I think people are overlooking Madrid’s man marking in the midfield. Alonso and Khedira only dropped deep if their men dropped deep (though Khedira was very eager to help out Arbeloa), they even took extremely wide positions and left the center completely open while following their opponents. Mou was able to do this due to the combination of lack of vertical runs from midfield and Messi’s movement, it didn’t matter if they got dragged around- there was no one to exploit the space.
Also, Messi can’t ”escape” without criticism. Often mentioned as a smart player, but his positioning has hindered Barcelona’s play against Chelsea, and even more so against Madrid here. He often picked up the ball, let’s say, 6-7 meters away from the box. That doesn’t worry opponents, or at least it worries them far less than him picking up the ball one or two meters away from the box. I’m not sure whether to blame it on Pep or Messi, but no player is big, nor good enough, to allow him to ”do his thing” while it clearly hinders the whole team. It’s almost surreal to say that Pep got it wrong since he didn’t have anyone making runs and bothering Ramos and Pepe. Messi is perfectly capable of doing it, Messi just didn’t feel like it or Pep didn’t instruct him to do so. Surely the best player of all time can be a little more direct when needed?
i dont understand your last point about messi. what do you mean ?
you mean he should have stayed more in the box being marked by ramos and pepe and not being involved in the game although he was needed in the bulid-up because xavi isnt the dominant factor he was anymore ? the problem wasnt with messi, the problem was that no other barca-player used the space he created for them. the best chance of the game was the rare occasion when xavi did it. without sanchez and villa who try to run behind the defence barca couldnt create more chances
Yeah, they struggled because no one was trying to run behind the defense. Which is exactly what Messi should’ve / could’ve done. People are eager to put Messi on a pedestal (mostly rightly so) and not recognize his faults, when he’s doing something wrong. But he’s no different from other players in this instance. If plan A doesn’t work, you start going trough the other alphabets- aka changing your approach.
It’s absurd that the coach should make a substitution, tweak the system, switch players around… you name it, just in order to let Messi so what he likes to do- have the ball. Here however, him seeing the ball as much as he likes to, wasn’t beneficial for anyone- expect for Messi of course, because he likes it. It’s attacking basics, if you can’t get past player(s) with the ball, you do it without it. Messi is no Villa, but he sure as heck would’ve caused more problems, if he tried to get behind players. While doing so, making Barcelona as a whole much more dangerous.
But yeah, he’s Messi, he just does Messi. The team should adapt according to him.
People are greatly exxagerating what Barcelona are doing wrong. All thats going on is that they have no composure at all when 1 on 1 with the goalkeeper. They missed 2 clear cut 1 on 1s last night if they had scored either i believe they would have won the game. Until they start finishing clinically teams will use this tactic of making sure Messi doesnt get any goalscoring chances.
Eh, two one-on-ones? Xavi´s was the only one-on-one, Tello wasn´t really one-on-one. Also, Madrid were very sloppy with the final pass. Özil could´ve had three assists if he wasn´t so carefree.
It was nice to RM finally win against Barcelona (I only saw the last 20 mins). When they were pegged back at 1-1, it looked like they would implode like they have over the last few Clasicos, but mentally they recovered very well. And Ronaldo kept his nerve when it mattered.
It was good to see them pass around Barcelona a few times, even though the possession says Barcelona dominated, I think RM dominated the midfield fairly well. And they broke with dangerous counter-attacks. Lets see if Chelsea can repeat that. Hopefully they can (although I’m no Chelsea fan).
It was ironic to see Barcelona resort to route one (long ball) football at the end. Almost sad, in a way. This will also be a test for Guardiola if he can make another team. Clearly, Xavi, Puyol and the other old engines cannot last at the same intensity forever. If he is truly a great manager, he will be able to refashion another title winning team. Admittedly, Mourinho has shown no ability in this regard either. He has merely shown himself capable at coming into a club and making important first signings.
For all the detractors of Mou and his tactics, look through all the jobs he has been appointed and point to one in which he had the luxury of building a team from the scratch with emphasis on a philosophy. Enough credit should go his way for fashioning winning teams instantly on arrival at the various clubs he has coached. Look at Mancini in Man. City despite the riches at his disposal he has not been able to command a winning team. It is so myopic of all the detractors of Mou to look at his work at various clubs and conclude singularly that he is no good, boring, defensive minded and irrational. After the dust settles on his career people will have to look back and commend the excellence he has achieved in all the clubs he has been in.
He is an excellent coach and the Madrid team he has can become better if the pressure of performance can be lowered.
But this cant be lowered in this age and time of instant gratification. Consequently, to prove himself as an excellent coach he has to continually pull the chestnut out of fire to keep his profile in the modern game.
Lastly can Pep succeed in another team? Even Fergie with all his detractors acknowledge he was a success in Scotland (breaking the Old Firm duopoly) before migrating the bother to England.
Let us see Pep in another team and he succeeds before we can confirm his Excellent and Greatness as a coach. Until then Mourinho is the Best out there.
I was merely pointing out that neither Mourinho nor Guardiola have shown any mettle in refashioning teams. That is also an important part of management. They are both good managers and Mourinho definitely deserves some credit for being successful in FOUR different countries.
Well, the closest to Mourinho “fashioning” a new champion team was when he was at Inter. First year, he ran with what he inherited from Mancini, with Quaresma being his most notable signing. Muntari also came on board but that was decided before Mourinho joined. First season they were knocked out by Man Utd in the CL QF. Second season, 6 new players came on board, none of them super big names except for, perhaps, Sneijder and Eto. The rest were Lucio, Thiago Motta, Milito and Pandev. In that season, Mourinho somehow managed to integrate them to play the way he thinks they should play to utilise their strengths and as we all know, they won the Italian League title, the Italian Supercup and the Champions League (after almost 50 yrs of trying). Milito scored the 2 goals vs Bayern Munich in the finals, how many of us outside Italy heard of this guy? With a team like Inter, the coach’s input was critical to its achievements. Look what happened after he left?
Uh, anyone who watched La Liga would´ve known of the Milito brothers (remember Gabi Milito, who played for Barcelona, that´s Diego Milito´s brother). Gabi was one of the best center-backs, before he went to Barcelona and got injured time and time again, losing a lot of his pace. Diego terrorized teams, especially Real Madrid. When they were both at Zaragoza, Zaragoza was a team to be feared.
Diego Milito not a big name before Inter?
You must not have watched La Liga or Serie A until recently. Milito has been near the top of the goal scorer charts for almost his whole career.
I feel that there are a couple of points left out. Specifically Coentrao’s perfect job at shutting down Barca’s right wing forcing attacks to express themselves by the energetic but inexperienced Tello as well as the clash of styles. The game was something of a ‘fort finally coming down’ where a fantastic side finally matured against a supreme reigning Barcelona. Guardiola’s 3-something shape with Thiago in the centre position (showed promise of course, but this was a classico for the title) did not help his side much not to mention the clustering of attack-oriented player up front working on their short passes without any runs making Xavi the most dangerous man in the 1st half instead of orchestrating his usual passing game.
As Barcafan mentioned, Real controlled the space brilliantly maintaining their cool and narrowing the field extremely forcing Xavi, Messi, Tello, Iniesta and Sanchez to bump into each other without causing much trouble to Real’s otherwise not so reliable centre backs. Instead of playing their centre strength as per usual, they looked for runs at the wings, where Coentrao’s key performance (alongside of course with Alonso and Khedira’s solid display in midfield) swinged the game to a third of the pitch making Barca … yes, predictable! It is true that Barca seemed more tired than usual (they way they energized themselves after the equalizer showed the true Barca of ‘pass and run’) and all of Real’s players performed above average at least, but I still think Pep’s gung-ho approach did not give the required spaces for the players to express themselves.
On the other side of the pitch, things seemed even more chaotic with Busquet’s transit between midfield and defense royally beaten by Real’s direct and wide play and Puyol struggling to cover every possible defense spot leaving Ronaldo on a more free role thanks to a dutiful Benzema drifting. Especially on the 2nd half, it felt like Real should have scored two more, but alas this will go down as a good win rather than the long awaited reached limit of a fan adored tactical approach to the game.
Has logic returned? I can only wait to see what Guardiola’s response will be on the return CL semi-final, as well as Real’s tough job against Bayern Munich. Who knows, maybe the 2 styles will clash again on yet another memorable game at the CL final.
Sadly yesterday Barca did look like one of the minnows, from Valdes to the lack of organization in the backline, midfield and attacking third. There has been very little movement the past three games for Barca and unless that changes they will be hard pressed to score one against Chelsea on Tuesday. I believe Pedro needs to start. I believe Xavi has lost confidence and is not healthy. I believe not playing Pique truly hurts the team. I believe a three man back line does not suit Barcelona. I believe Guardiola’s stubborness and overthinking have hurt this team at crucial times this season more than help it.
We miss a Llorente type of forward. The false nine trick is not working anymore, at least without Villa, because 9/10 times the wide players are hugging the touchline. Pep could switch to a more traditional 4-3-3 with Messi in left wing and Alexis in center of attack. Alves runs/overlaps will be more dangerous after this change.
as this site has become a very fruitful place for all the bloggers to write their own game analysis in the commentary section of another blog (“check out our blogs!”), u could provide us with some own opinion: reading through the comments, every point is answered completely contrarily by different poster. “x wasnt wide enough” vs “x was too wide”, “x was good” vs “x was bad that night”.
to challenge your quality of analysis, those who gave full game descriptions here should provide some information on how u would instruct (personnel included) the squads in the upcoming cl games. that way u yourself and we as readers could test your predictions.
as of now, i see too many analyses standing undiscussed side by side to the next one that states quite the contrary – not the goal of a -discussion- section of a website.
nope, i dont feel qualified to give one myself. then again, i didnt post a full game analysis without referring to any of my fellow posters or – most prominently – to zm´s article!
I hear you loud and clear, Steve.
In fact, I find it rather disrespectful to Michael who has given us this wonderful site where we can be educated and interrogate his analysis.
To be fair some of these detailed analyses are usually spot on(Kaneprior in particular), I just don’t think this is the place.
I say this with the greatest respect to eminent contributors, named or implied…
Guardiola lost the tactical battle resoundingly tonight. Cesc and Alexis were poor against Chelsea, but both are experienced quality players, dropping them was wrong in my opinion. I actually thought Tello was out of his depth, and I’d much rather have Cesc over Thiago, especially as Cesc can play a good killer, penetrative type of ball, more than Thiago and that was needed against Madrid’s approach. Also the approach of seeming to want to get as many attacking players on the pitch as possible was wrong. Yes they outnumbered Madrid in midfield and controlled possession, but I’m sure Mourinho would rather have that inevitable outcome of being dominated in possession terms, but then have his attacking quartet of CR7,Ozil,Benzema,ADM up against only Puyol, Mascherano and Adriano.
As for Madrid, fair play to them. They defended very well I thought, they were organised and disciplined, kept the shape well, and played what is fast becoming the blueprint to beating Barcelona very well in my opinion. Narrow, compact, packing central areas.
Lastly, I’m going to have to bring up the whole Ronaldo/Messi debate again. Messi is an incredible player, there’s no doubt of that, but he just seems totally immune from criticism, whereas Ronaldo can do so much so well, but still will never get the praise that Messi does. So called experts that say Ronaldo doesn’t perform well in big games? What about Messi in Barca’s last two matches, two BIG games, and he was totally anonymous in both, hasn’t even been mentioned. Ronaldo supposedly didn’t perform in the Munich game, but he still got an assist. And scoring in a CL final, CL Semi Finals, English cup final, Spanish cup final, and numerous classico games, that’s not bad for someone who supposedly ‘doesn’t perform in the big games’.
Stems from Ronaldo’s time at United. ABUs outnumber Man United or Ronaldo sympathisers.
there is a mistake in the second picture
Xavi and Sanchez could’t be on the pitch at the same time……
The use of the two defense midfielders by Real was probably the key. Two good defensives mids.
Xabi Alonso is not a defensive mid. Labeling him as such should be a crime.
He can tackle and mark very well, but he is a true old school midfielder, more Pirlo or Gerrard like than a destroyer like Khedira, and even Khedira attacks well for Germany.
Hats off to Guardiola for making it last as long as he did. Every time Real Madrid caught up with Barca he would change things to put them one step ahead. But it would seem to me that he has nowhere left to go playing three at the back. I remember that was the endpoint for Rijkaard at Barca too. 3-4-3 against Real Madrid heralded the begining of the end. Mourinho is the best but Guardiola is a close second with the way that he has kept on top for so long (albeit with a superior group of players). Real Madrid deserve to win it all this year. Ronaldo has been incredible.
The Barca 3-4-3 really made it easy for Benzema and Ronaldo to switch positions and get Benzema matched up against the older & slower Puyol. Plus, Pique has normally gotten the best of CRon, but once again didn’t start due to attitude/fitness (?).
It was Ronaldo in the Copa Home Leg who destroyed Pique down the right to finish through Pinto’s legs for the first goal on the break. Puyol has marshalled him pretty well though, i.e the Home game at the Bernabeu.
Puyol has been better against CR7 last few years than Pique. Puyol is faster than Pique, Pique is quite slow actually. Also, Puyol is much more experienced and has great intuition, he is often seen directing Pique with shouts and hand motions during games. Pique looks far worse when he has had to play without Puyol beside him. Actually, Barca’s defense in general has looked far worse without Puyol. Replacing him will be tough, Hummels or Thiago Silva are the only two I can think of that cut it.
Perhaps this has been mentioned in one of the 100+ comments above, but it struck me as very interesting that Real Madrid kept punting the ball upfield on purpose, especially in the second half – not to create any danger in a direct way, but rather to prevent Barça from winning back the ball high up with their pressing. Real were simply happy with their defensive shape, and rightly so; giving the ball away in the opposing half was considered better than building from the back and risking a loss of possession in a more dangerous area. Interestingly, this was much more Inter-ish from Real/Mourinho than any other Clásico in recent years, in which they usually had about 40% possession (if I’m guessing correctly) but kept losing. Here, they had 28% which is astoundingly low for Madrid’s standards.
It worked amazingly, in any case. Barça mostly lacked any off-the-ball movement in the final third, with Pedro and Sanchez only used very late on and with Tello and Alves too static out wide. The 3-man defense also meant that full-backs struggled to overlap and run at the Real back line with any sort of pace. Adriano tried to drive forward but to little effect with Tello sticking wide – he could only drive inwards and make that area more populated.
Playing inverted wingers would have asked real questions of Coentrao, defensively suspect against Bayern in midweek, and Ramos, who made some positional errors today (look at Xavi’s first half chance) and makes silly fouls almost every match. Fabregas could have provided this to some effect as well, but was dropped and seems to have lost any sense of where the goal is in recent matches. Iniesta provided no such danger and was very disappointing in most aspects, losing possession a lot.
Barça’s lack of penetration made it relatively easy for Madrid and revealed what is perhaps Messi’s only flaw as a footballer: his lack of patience when he doesn’t receive ample service and support. Here again, as at Stamford Bridge, he came too deep, and often Barça had no one occupying the centre in the final third at all.
This will prove again a major issue against Chelsea and one may wonder if they can turn their Champions League tie around. If not, this will turn into largely failed season for Guardiola’s side, their first under his tenure.
There’s no way that was a normal 4-2-3-1 deployed by Madrid. There was a lot of morphing there. Very well-rehearsed.
It was quite fascinating to watch but I wouldn’t say it was entertaining.
Meanwhile, Barca, badly needing the win (if possible) actually was pretty boring tactically, was expecting something more but in no way questioning Pep or what he had at his disposal. As crazy as that sounds, since he has a lot of the best. I will say sometimes it seems they do need a true center forward to shield the little flea, keep him fresher at least. Even when they had Villa, still felt that way since Eto’o left, not for every match but you do need a reference point sometimes. They don’t grow on trees and aren’t cheap I suppose. With Messi scoring so much, he wouldn’t even need to be prolific.
Messi also seemed pretty stagnant by his off the charts standards, kind of how he looks with Argentina sometimes, maybe he’s worn out a bit with such heavy lifting.
I agree with earlier posters who said it would be interesting to see how Barca would have coped versus a Madrid with a more attacking posture. That back line looks very tense, and overworked, like it could snap one of these days.
write a fucking analysis for chelsea – barca. can’t wait
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