Manchester United 2-1 Liverpool: United exploit the space around Spearing

The starting line-ups
Two goals from Wayne Rooney took Manchester United to the top of the Premier League.
Sir Alex Ferguson moved Ryan Giggs out to the left, bringing in Paul Scholes after his impressive cameo against Chelsea last weekend. Chris Smalling was out, so the defence picked itself.
Despite Craig Bellamy and Andy Carroll enjoying a decent partnership in recent weeks, Kenny Dalglish picked neither and went with Luis Suarez upfront alone. Jose Enrique returned, so Glen Johnson went back to right-back.
The first half was a fairly tame encounter that didn’t have the intensity the atmosphere around the game would have suggested. A stoppage after just 30 seconds (when Rio Ferdinand and Patrice Evra collided) meant the game took a while to get up to full speed and settle into any kind of tempo. When it did, neither side passed the ball particularly well in the centre of midfield, and there was little goalmouth action at either end.
Midfield battle
The game was basically about a fairly slow attritional central midfield battle. The use of Giggs wide on the left meant that United had three passers in midfield (Carrick, Scholes, Giggs), all who like time on the ball to settle and control the game. Dalglish’s use of Jordan Henderson rather than Charlie Adam meant there was more possibility to press United and stop them stamping their authority on the game, but Liverpool were actually quite negative without the ball, sitting deep and letting United play. Early on, United stuggled to transfer the ball from deep positions to the final third, and Liverpool actually enjoyed a decent spell of possession.
But the more the first half went on, the more United took command. Carrick moved higher up and often found himself tracking Steven Gerrard when the Liverpool midfielder moved to the left (he and Henderson often switched places) which opened up space for Scholes to control the game. He had another highly effective performance from deep, spreading the play and setting the tempo of the game.
Spearing problem
Where United really got control was between the lines of midfield and attack. In theory, there was a simple 1 v 1 battle there, between Jay Spearing and Wayne Rooney. But Spearing failed to play this position well, and probably for the first time since he became a semi-regular in Lucas Leiva’a absence, he looked out of his depth.
He wasn’t really sure to what extent he was supposed sto be following Rooney across the pitch. Sometimes he tracked him towards the flank and then had vacated his zone. Sometimes he stayed he stayed in position and Rooney picked up the ball either side of him. But, in fairness, this was as much about a clever United strategy as it was Spearing’s fault – Ryan Giggs played very narrow as a ’second number ten’, in much the same way Park Ji-Sung stayed inside in the recent cup game (below, look how centrally he received the ball compared to Valencia on the right). In addition, Danny Welbeck dropped deep into that zone, and even Scholes moved forward to prompt an excellent flowing move that ended with his own header forcing Pepe Reina into a save.

United’s tactic was basically to get bodies around Spearing and play past him. That is the problem with playing 4-1-4-1 without the ball – the holding player is expected to cover a lot of lateral ground, and there’s the danger that players other than the number ten can move into that space untracked.

When United had the ball, Giggs, Welbeck and Rooney often formed a triangle around Spearing
Giggs was the key player in all this. But – and it’s a big but – it also meant he was in a poor position defensively. He was caught too narrow when Liverpool worked the ball out for Johnson’s left-footed shot that curled narrowly wide. Had that gone in, it would have been fair to attribute it to Giggs’ positioning, so it had benefits and drawbacks.
On the opposite flank, Antonio Valencia again got the better of Jose Enrique. The Spanish left-back didn’t look 100% fit – he turned down plenty of opportunities to get forward and stretch the play, though by staying in position he largely nullified Valencia’s threat later on.
Second half
But this was all about the midfield battle. It was surprising, with United’s dominance late in the first half, that Dalglish didn’t change things and offer Spearing more support by moving Gerrard or Henderson deeper into more of a 4-2-3-1. A double pivot would have provided more security.
Sure enough, United went ahead just after half time. The first goal was from a corner after a good spell of possession, and the second was a symbolic, if not tactically inevitable, illustration of Spearing’s woes – he gave the ball away to Valencia, who slipped in Rooney to score.
2-0
Much of the second half was a static, lifeless contest at 2-0. Ferguson made no substitutions in the entire game despite good options (including Tom Cleverley) to choose from, summarising how happy he was with the shape of his side.
Dalglish made a double change to go 4-4-2. Spearing and Stewart Downing, certainly Liverpool’s worst two players on the day, were sacrificed with Andy Carroll going upfront with Suarez, and Bellamy down the left. Gerrard and Henderson were now the midfield two, and the benefit of a duo there was underlined by the fact United created relatively little at 2-0, and didn’t have such a clear area of dominance in front of the defence.
Final minutes
However, that was partly because they eased off, concentrating upon keeping possession in the midfield and killing the tempo of the game. At one point, they kept the ball for so long in midfield that it prompted ‘olés’ from the crowd at an extremely early stage in the game. The reason for that was because Gerrard and Henderson were sitting so deep, and Suarez and Carroll were playing so high, that there was about 30 yards of space with no Liverpool player in, making it very easy for United to keep the ball there.
Carroll at least provided a different threat to the Evans-Ferdinand partnership that had largely kept Suarez quiet. A set-piece goal got Liverpool back in the game, and United’s relaxed attitude at 2-0 to threatened look like complacency. But they had been right to slow the tempo, and they played by far the better football throughout the game, even without being at their best.
Conclusion
United’s main positive was the way they took charge of the space in and around Spearing, getting bodies around him to form triangles and create danger on the edge of the box. Spearing certainly didn’t have a good game, but then he was clearly outnumbered and needed help from others. The natural understanding of Rooney and Welbeck also helped here, while Giggs’ positioning was vital, even if his passes often went astray.
Liverpool set up very negatively, without either the pace of Bellamy to run at United, or the height of Carroll to cause them problems in the air, as they did at Anfield. David De Gea’s problems may have been overstated in some quarters, but it’s clear that he struggles with high aerial balls, and it’s also obvious that United are not as good at defending set-pieces without Nemanja Vidic. Liverpool’s failure to test United in this fashion was odd (as, going back two weeks, was the decision to stop crowding De Gea at corners when it had already worked once).
Liverpool didn’t improve much after the substitutions – they got back in the game late on, but it wasn’t through any great craft from open play.



‘Good options and Tom Cleverley to choose from’; what are you trying to say here, Michael?
He was trying to say that United had good options on the bench, but SAF didn’t use them because he was happy with the team’s shape
It seemed like he was saying we had some good options, then Cleverley, as in to say Clevz would be an underwhelming sub or something.
didn’t sound like that at all. and you misquoted him.
i think you have a good point, just struggling to prove it.
“Ferguson made no substitutions in the entire game despite good options (including Tom Cleverley) to choose from”
I interpreted it as saying that not only was Cleverley was a good option, he was highlighted as one of the best options amongst the good options. Whatever he was trying to convey was ambiguous though. Could have replaced the ‘including’ with a ’such as’ to make it clearer if he meant Cleverley was a good option.
ZM does a fantastic job, i like the articles on life’s a pitch. i think Dalglish should’ve brought Adam much earlier. Everyone check out http://www.theirtactics.com. Oh and by the way Suarez’s snub was just pitiful!!!
Yeah pretty good stuff there, this is the only other site that even comes close to ZM, the rest are a joke!! I’m going to bookmark it for now coz sometimes they analyze games that ZM has overlooked!!
Was surprised Kenny didn’t push Glen Johnson further up – he gave Evra problems when he got forward.
Really enjoying your match analysis this season.
I can’t tell if Reina’s circle being bigger is a fat joke or not.
It’s not – optical illusion!
(and i would have saved that for Charlie Adam)
haha
Brilllllliant.
Valencia robbed Spearing to feed Rooney not Welbeck.
Pointed out the same thing on the preview on my blog. In the 4-1 game in 08/09, Rafa Benitez commented afterwards that you need to stop United penetrating between the lines and put pressure on their midfielders and that if you can control the middle, you can basically control them.
Happened today. Gerrard and Henderson would get enticed up, particularly with Scholes and Carrick so deep early on in possession and then players were getting space between midfield and defence
Liverpool definitely should have gone 4-2-3-1 with Kuyt negating Scholes deep in the MF and Gerrard and Spearing negating the space in front of the defensive line. Scholes was free to do as he pleased the more that Gerrard sunk back to help Spearing with Rooney/Giggs. With neither Suarez nor Carroll willing to commit to closing down United defensive MF, there was no way Liverpool would get the possession, or the chances to come back during open play.
Liverpool always played like this “counter attack”. I am very impressed with surprising trap which Mr Ferguson set up for this game, Slow tempo game. Liverpool played very well against attacking set up team with fast tempo. Quick counter attack was very effective and United had problem with defense line as FA cup game shown this flaw.
Against lesser team you better go with high tempo because you need to score and win the game but against capable team, United tend to get beaten since errors from fast tempo game. Cup game team and CL team tend to punish when you make mistakes. Giggs has habit of wasting possession easily.
What is the Liverpool’s problem in this season? Liverpool is very unique team in may ways, the lowest conversion rate, no clear attacking pattern, rock solid defense etc.
What was not mentioned was the fact that Ferdinand, after poking away the ball from behind and slightly to Suarez’s right, proceeded to deliberately trip him with his knee and shin, preventing him from pursuing the ball which had not gone far and getting a clear-through shot on goal, goal-scoring opportunity. Not only was there no foul called, but the obvious red-card to Ferdinand was not given.
Curious to read your opinion/analysis on the choice of Downing in the starting XI and his intended role, as best as you can detect it from what he actually did.
Manchester United were significantly better than Liverpool (whom I support) in their passing. The number of times errant or frivolous passes led to loss of possession in dangerous areas and/or wasting possession was quite shocking.
Finally, if Bellamy and Kuyt are forwards/strikers (which they clearly are) describing the system/formation that LFC switched to after the first two substitutions as 4-4-2 portrays them as ‘wingers’ or ‘wide-midfielders’. A 4-2-2-2 or a 4-2-3-1 was more what it looked like it was supposed to be (with Kuyt or Bellamy in the middle of the three in the second option) rather than an old-fashioned 4-4-2.
No mention of Johnson’s diabolically poor defensive work for Rooney’s first ought also to have been highlighted. He may be a great wing-back, but a good, defensively strong, positionally aware full-back he’s not.
What did you expect Ferdinand to do? Magically pull in his leg after he made the perfect last-ditch tackle? His leg was already on the ground and I doubt physics would’ve let him reel in that leg with so much forward momentum. Besides, he had already gotten the ball, he can’t prevent the inevitable defender-to-forward collision. All Ferdinand could hope for (and accomplished) was to get the ball. Just admit that Ferdinand made a textbook perfect tackle and get on with it. Everyone else can see it and move on.
I’m glad to see we played with much more incision than we did at Anfield in the FA cup. Days like that make me worry about our creative power, and then days like this make me wonder. Sometimes I feel like it’s United’s relative inability to adapt to different teams and their tendencies that make us look extremely fallible at times.
Another marquee performance from Scholes and Rooney in particular. Well done boyos. Good game to Liverpool as I’m sure they did their best, and a thank you to all the players and KD for keeping a relatively quiet game despite Evra’s stupid antics at times.
To this relative neutral (hate United, dislike Liverpool), there was no obvious red card on Ferdinand.
Agree with the comment about Johnson. I thought, along with Downing and Spearing, he was among Liverpool’s 3 worse players. Johnson’s positioning was questionable for both Rooney’s goals wasn’t it? The man appeared unable to read or anticipate the game defensively. Overall, thought Kenny laid out his team all wrong – might have been better to have started Adam and Bellamy.
Relative payrolls show Liverpool as an upper mid table outfit – it is showing.
Rafa was a big over performer!
I’ll bite.
Liverpool have a larger wage-bill than both Spurs and Newcastle. They had a larger wage-bill than City and comparable to Arsenal in the Benitez era. Considering he left them in seventh, not exactly over-performing, is it?
Well actually Liverpool under Benitez generally had the 5th highest wage bill so bar his last season where there were other circumstances, he did overperform.
He also had a very low squad value (along with arsenal). His transfers were largely good, while all the time money was being sucked out of liverpool. Rafa was an excellent manager. Long live the travelling car sales man.
The problem with Rafa was high player turnover, i.e., lots of ins and outs. This was mostly down to squad-player material purchases, he was awful at buying squad players, hence he never really built a good squad. Though out of the first XI buys, I’d at least question the decisions to bring in Johnson (for that amount of money. He seems to defend better at left back!), Aquilani and Dossena. But apart from them and maybe one or two, he built a great first XI. His first XI transfers were good but his squad player purchases were simply not good enough, hence why Liverpool had to go all out for either CL or PL, not both as they didn’t have a good squad.
I think its more to do with the fact that Rafa couldnt get these squad players to stay or even be happy. It’s a familiar problem these days especially at top 4 clubs. We(Utd)usually do this better than most but this season we have Berbatov (despite having only complained once) and Arsenal hasn’t faced anything serious yet so far in regards to this. Chelsea has already parted company with a few and so has Spurs and City is still in its infancy and it will be a a season or two before their big names on the bench begin complaining.
Hi ZM, i know this is off-topic but i decided to post this here as it is a new piece and so there is more chance of you seeing it.
I know from some earlier pieces that you were a keen observer of Italian football when it was broadcast here. Would you consider some retrospective reviews of the Italian teams of that era? There are some very interesting ones: Juve 96-03, parma 95-03, Lazio 98-02, Milan 90-98.
I know you have other projects in mind, but i enjoyed your features on Roma and Bologna and it makes a slight change from your usual routine. I understand if it is not possible but worth a mention eh?! Keep up the good work
This link should interest you, not exactly what you’re after but close enough
http://www.zonalmarking.net/category/decade/twentyteams/
Cheeers for the thought, but i’ve read them many times over! They whet my appetite for more! IF ONLY ZM WAS READING THIS POST AND COULD SOMEHOW PROVIDE WHAT I AM DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR! USING HIS EXPERT TACTICAL KNOWLEDGE AND HANDSOME FEATURES HE COULD SURELY WHIP UP A RETROSPECTIVE GUIDE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. *Sigh* If only…. if only…..
Liverpool need a false nine, a winger who can play out to in and a midfielder who can carry the ball e.g KPB, Adam and Stewart Downing were two very pointless signings. Liverpool just have no pattern of play
Man United – Defensively Liverpool played into United’s hands. I dont see why they didnt play Carroll from the start (with Bellamy to complement), playing Suarez seemed a stubborn decision by Daglish. The CB pairing of Ferdinand and Evans is a weak one in the air, but they werent really tested today by Liverpool as a) Suarez isnt the greatest threat in the air and b) they didnt have Adams set pieces (his biggest asset for Liverpool currently). So United were strong Centrally, they dealt with Suarez comfortably, which made Liverpool rather blunt. Rafael got the better of Downing and if anything it was Downing defending against him, while Evra actually was probably the weak link, with Kuyt dragging him inside and Johnson overlapping (Johnson chance could have changed game).
In midfield, United were comfortable but only because of Liverpool’s failures. Scholes was given a ridiculous amount of space and time to dominate possession. Carrick had more pressure from Gerrard but was still able to help keep possession. While Rooney and Giggs proceeded to take Spearing apart. Rooney was very clever with his movement and created space for Giggs to move inside, which overloaded this zone. Rooney therefore found time on the ball and was one of United’s best players, keeping possession at the end of the game especially well. Giggs found space lots of space and was able to play some good balls to welbeck and rooney, this has been something Giggs has learned in his age, a appreciation for space, he naturally finds pockets of space and he helped United dominate possession. The two problems were he wasnt a very big goal threat, rarely getting into the penalty area himself which was disappointing, but more importantly he didnt track Johnson at all (he is very weak defensively in any position he plays) which gave Liverpool a good outball and attacking option.
Valencia had the better of Enrique down the right, and provided good penetration, which United were guilty of lacking with there dominance of possession. He was helped by Rafael overlapping down the right, and they overloaded Enrique at times.
Up front Welbeck had a mixed game. He did very well to drop deep and help build up play, but Liverpool seemed happy to let him do this as he wasnt much of a threat himself. He wasted chances he got and was kept quiet in the penalty area. This showed in the first half as United created chances but couldnt finish them off.
Overall, United beat a underwhelming Liverpool, they werent really tested in attack, controlled possession without much complaint, overloaded Spearing in DM, which allowed Rooney to find space (his ghosted into the penalty area quite a few times) and had good penetration down the right with Valencia and Rafael.
Usually I would say Valencia was a bit predictable, rarely moving inside, but with giggs playing so narrow, United needed more width from him. United deserved to win and got the tactics right today.
Carol played the better part of half an hour and couldn’t beat Rafael in the air, (with Adam on the pitch who’s set pieces have been woeful this season) let alone Evans or Rio.
Carroll came on when United were already 2-0 up and dominating possession. Given the whole game (and a confidence booster for starting) he could have had a bigger impact. Suarez might have had a bigger impact coming off the bench too, he would have been fresh against tired opponents and it would have meant none of this controversy with the handshake.
I dont like Adams and think he is overrated, but his set pieces have been a main source of goals for Liverpool, so dont see how you can they have been woeful? I mean todays goal, despite coming of Rio, was from an adams free kick. Having in on all game could have meant better set pieces. I would agree with Gerrard and henderson if they had actually pressed United, but as they sat deep, they might as well have played Adams (his long range passes could have helped too).
Liverpools whole system just seemed confusing.
His name is ADAM. No ’s’ at the end. It’s quite amazing how many people get this wrong…it’s gotten annoying.
I think another reason United were able to dominate possession was because of the personnel in defence. Evans and Ferdinand (and also De Gea) are very comfortable on the ball, and, with Carrick, Giggs and Scholes in midfield, United were able to circulate the ball really well between defence and midfield.
You make good points also on Welbeck and Valencia.
very good point, they are very good technically. The whole team was very technical based it seemed, with only welbeck and Valencia providing the power and pace (Plus rooney who is a mix of the two)
MU have looked far better ever since Valencia came back. Tactics matter; so do personnel.
Liverpool – Were very disappointing in how they played and in selection. With the whole Suarez case, I am of the opinion Suarez will only disgrace Liverpool more, and they can be a better team without him. I am surprised with how defensive Daglish is over Suarez and think Liverpool are bigger than any one player. Anyway…
In defense, they were solid centrally. Agger and Skrtel defended well against Welbeck and didnt give him any chance in the penalty area. They didnt track him into deep positions, which meant he could help build up play, but also meant they werent dragged out of position. The two goals by Rooney were from a) a set piece error (very rare, but a team mistake) and b) a mistake by Spearing which left the defense exposed. At Fullback, they had very different cases. Enrique was overloaded by Valencia and Rafael, and didnt get forward at all (as ZM suggested, could be down to fitness). Johnson on the other hand had a much better game, rarely having to deal with Giggs, he was allowed to get forward a lot in the first half (this happned less in the second half as united really dominated) and exposed Giggs defensive weakness when played on the wing.
In midfield, they were very defensive and poor. Spearing was easily exposed as he had to deal with Rooney and giggs, he needed some help from either Gerrard or Henderson, but didnt get any. His technical weakness also showed as he gave away the ball and coudlnt get the ball forward well at all. I thought that pressing him could lead to a error and that was exactly shown for the second goal. Liverpool are really missing Lucas, though he would have struggled with the lack of support from his team mates. Both Henderson and Gerrard had poor games. Henderson didnt press Scholes which let him dominate the game. Instead he stayed deep, but not deep enough to help out with giggs. He was allowed time on the ball but didnt do much with it. Gerrard also didnt help Spearing, and though he pressed Carrick better than Scholes was pressed, he was poor on the ball. He rarely drove forward on the ball like we know he can and seemed restricted.
In attack, Liverpool were average. Downing was poor going forward (though he put in a shift tracking back) and Bellamy surely should have started, while Kuyt did well to create space for Johnson on the overlap, but didnt do much with the ball himself. Neither were a goal threat. While Suarez was the wrong choice, even taking aside the drama, he was easily dealt with by Ferdinand and Evans. Liverpool should have started Carroll, his height could have unsettled the CB pairing in the air, United’s current weakness with Vidic out. The fact both he and Bellamy came on showed Daglish made a mistake. Suarez should have started on the bench and then came on to change the game.
Overall, I was disappointed with Daglish and his choices. His midfield was too defensive, when pressing was probably the key to beating Scholes and Carrick. Im still surprised by teams choices to given Scholes time and space in deep midfield. While the choice of Suarez over Carroll and Downing over Bellamy were clearly the wrong choice. Liverpool were the weaker team and deserved to lose this game.
It always ’seems’ like team gives Scholes too much time and space throughout his career but maybe it isn’t easy to stop him having space and time as he still finds just enough space and time, a lot of the time anyway, regardless of what the opposition do.
He is not a bad player you know
Hence maybe resorting to concentrating on other players to negate that is more useful at times. Starve the likes of Scholes and Carrick of their receivers (the guys they play their passes to), is sometimes the better tactic to stop them dictating the game, e.g. take the wingers out of the game by good full back work and positioning has a big impact on Scholes ability to switch play effectively.
Yeah,This is true. It is not easy to press Scholes because other two or tree United midfielders get into the position which Scholes pass the ball to them. United has been played similar formation for while so midfielders know how to peel off defender from Scholes.
Thats fine if you a weaker team and are happy to let United dominate. But Liverpool have shown that when they have pressed United, they have had a better game. And by playing Gerrard and Henderson, i really thought they were set up to press Scholes and Carrick.
Scholes is a great player, he is made for teams that sit back, because he can just pass the ball all day and open up defense from deep.
But he is nowhere near as effective when forced into a midfield battle, neither is Carrick. By playing these two, Liverpool should have pressed forward and set a high tempo, instead of letting United slow the tempo down.
Think of the Chelsea – united game last season, just swap Giggs with Scholes.
Scholes is a great player, but he is even better when you let him play his game.
I think it is more effective to mark out/press the receivers, rather than Scholes, to stop Scholes playing really well. Because he will always see a pass/a way out most of the time, regardless of how intense the midfield battle is. Its a matter of reducing the effectivness and long term impact of those passes by taking care of the receivers and space.
Liverpool should have done a better job in pressing Scholes, yes, but e.g. it was the dropping off movement of Welbeck-Rooney that gave Scholes more options to pass to, especially when Agger and Skrtel were content to let them do that as well as Spearing doing a poor job of sitting (as well as not much help from team mates). You also have Giggs’ awkward inside-channel movement, which added to Spearing’s workload at times.
So for me, its things like this that make Scholes’ life easier, the freedom of his team mates to move around and receive the ball, without much pressure.
I think that is what cost opposition teams, rather than Scholes being given too much time on the ball.
Can we ditch the EPL articles and move on to the Bundesliga?
In all seriousness, English football is just so backward.
Can we spend some time reviewing far superior football? It’s like learning boxing off a fat granny, as opposed to Sugar Ray Robinson.
I’d love to see some Bundesliga reviews. More about the two Borussias…
The Bundesliga? You mean the league with one solitary club in the top 19 according to UEfA coefficients? The league that hasn’t won the CL since 2000-01? Now I’m not one to run around claiming English football is the best in the world (and I’m not English) and the PL is the “bestest” (sic) league ever, but at some point you have to acknowledge the overwhelming one-sidedness of the data.
The last ten instances of the Champions League have produced the following
Champions – England 3, Germany 0
Runners Up – England 5, Germany 2
Semi-finalists (including those that advanced) – England 15, Germany 3
The Bundesliga is great fun to watch, but let’s not pretend that, barring Bayern, its clubs can compete with the best the PL has to offer.
Now national teams are a whole different story.
Goodness. You sure haven’t watch Gladbach this season.
well put, They have quite a few good teams, but not great teams. Bayern and Dortmund excluded.
Here’s the problem with UEFA coefficients: Liverpool is ranked 10th. Dortmund is ranked 65th. That may be an accurate comparison over the past five years, but it certainly does not reflect the current prowess of the two squads in question.
If you look at the WhoScored ranking, which does have its problems but is current rather than compiled over five years, the Bundesliga has 5 top-20 teams to the EPL’s 4 (both with 3 in the top-10). Dortmund is ranked 6th. Liverpool is 27th. That’s a bit closer to the current reality IMO.
There’s plenty of very good football to be found in both places at the moment. And I’m not so sure that contests between the “best” teams are necessarily the most tactically intriguing anyways.
Woops. Working off notes. WhoScored has updated since; both the Bundesliga and EPL have five top-20 teams at the moment.
Obviously the UEFA rankings are far from perfect, but the Whoscored ones are basically worthless for comparing between leagues as the stats they use to build their rankings are compiled in-league. Thus, and while the current season might show a closing of the gap between the two leagues, CL and, to a lesser extent, Europa Cup results are the best way to drw accurate comparisons between the two leagues.
Plus, I never said the wasn’t good football to be found in both places or that only games between top clubs are intriguing, but re-read the original post I was responding to: it clearly claims that English football is “backwards” and the Bundesliga is “far superior.” And those claims are simply laughable.
United’s first goal came from a corner that was played in exactly the same way as an earlier one during the first half. The first one ended up on Rooney’s head. He didn’t head the ball well and it went straight to Reina’s hands (if I remember correctly). Liverpool didn’t detect that particular mistake and made it again but this time the ball was on Rooney’s right foot. Was the team poorly prepared regarding defending set-pieces? Or can’t they address a situation that shows up during the match?
As per the Scholes argument, if a team sits deep they can’t prevent him from dictating play. If you dedicate a player solely on him then Carrick has the passing range to dictate play himself. If you dedicate another player on Carrick your DM will be torn apart by Rooney,Welbeck and Giggs or Nani. You need to press high and keep a high line altogether and deal with Hernandez’s pace. That’s not to say of course that United are unplayable. It’s just that Liverpool’s trio looked almost lethargic yesterday. For all his supreme quality Scholes along with Giggs if I may add are too old to be given a wild card to dominate the midfield as much as they do. An energetic midfield is needed to rob them of space and breath
Its funny how the Liverpool midfield didnt seem to do either though. They didnt press Scholes and Carrick very well, but neither did they particularly help Spearing out. A poor Midfield performance, and a lesson on how not to play against United.
Separate point, do you think with Scholes playing at the start of the season, United still would have gone out of the champions league?
It would have slowed down the cavalier but reckless basketball-like tempo that United were playing with earlier in the season.
very true, it was great to watch, but screwed them up for the champions league.
The answer would be yes most probably but if we’re honest, United should’ve qualified from that group Scholes or no Scholes. No disrespect to Basel’s effort of course
I think Newcastle’s tactics have been the best against Manchester United thus far. But I’m not sure that Liverpool have the bite in a double pivot to have tried it. Perhaps if Lucas was available they could have had a go. – David B
I think tactically, Benitez could do better with this group of players, Dalglish is just not reactive enough and I think most changes are coming from Steve Clark.
I thought about this for this game. Would Benitez have been so easily outsmarted tactically today?
No, he would have tinkered earlier.
Sorry, what is all this? Dalglish has beaten United twice, drawn with them once and lost once and Dalglish is now not tactically able? This is ludicrous. And we could have easily beaten United earlier in the season at Anfield as well, were it not for several late excellent saves. A bad performance, but no more then that.
Dalglish has lost to United twice since taking over from Hodgson as the Liverpool manager. Not to mention the ludicrous United defending and individual errors that gifted Liverpool the 3-1 victory at Anfield last season.
I think you meant to say that Gerrard and Adam were the midfield duo after Liverpool switched to 4-4-2. Henderson was playing wide right.
Two points, though neither really about tactics.
1: How different might the game have been had Ferdinand fouled Suarez as he was breaking clear? I don’t think it was a foul, but it was clearly a risky challenge that could have resulted in red.
2: How many headers did 5 ft 8 Rafael Da Silva win the last 20 minutes? I’d guess about 4 or 5 including 2 from Carroll. That’s a fair effort from a short full back sometimes criticised for defensive lapses.
After all the money Liverpool have spent, they have three box-to-box midfielders and a forward on the wing. Henderson just looks like a waste of space. I thought that Spearing did OK, but Henderson and Gerrard did naff-all to help him out.
Kuyt, Downing and Suarez were all a bit crap but it doesn’t matter how they play – when the midfield is this woeful, then it doesn’t matter.
Hansen said that Evans played very well. Since I usually see only highlights, I see lots of Evans’ mistakes and had formed the impression that he’s not a natural defender. Is he just very inconsistent? Is he responding to coaching? (Just as Defoe seems to have responded to coaching over the years.)
ZM, any chance of the newcastle tottenham game having an analysis? i realize it wasn’t a particularly tactical game, being so one-sided and all, but it had some interesting features, like the realtionship of saha and ade upfront as opposed to ba and cissé and the different role kranjcar and lennon play… i’d just like to read you’re take on the game, you always seem to have an interesting perspective.
Spearing’s failures in this game remind a LOTTTTTTTTTTT of this game (Barca v Arsenal 4-1 in 2010 CL)
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/04/06/barcelona-arsenal-4-1-messi-tactic/
I was really disappointed with Spearing today, it was too easy for Scholes and Carrick to dictate the game – they contributed just under a third of United’s passes between themselves. Chieck Tiote for Newcastle was the best example that you need to stop Carrick, if you want to stop United playing. United found it too easy to beat Liverpool in the centre of the pitch despite only having 2 central midfielders to their 3. This was down partly to how reluctant Liverpool were to press throughout the game – particularly when they pulled it back 2-1.
Basically, Liverpool played very badly no matter what tactics they were trying to use. No appetite to win, no desire & not enthusiastic at all. Truly disappointing for their fans.
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F.B. for coaching bielefeld
Apart from this loss, what I view as Liverpool’s main cause of inconsistency is their inability to maximize Aquilani (or rather, indifference towards him). Injuries aside, he’d without a doubt be the midfield engine that was once Xabi Alonso’s role to perform.
This analysis highlights what Manchester United did so well: The movement in the midfield, where Giggs would have license to combine all over the left side of the pitch, Carrick moving higher when needed and Scholes sometimes making runs into the box.
At the same time it highlights what Liverpool has been so poor at all season. There is no movement, no flow nor runs from deep n or interchanging of positions from the midfield. This of course results in static displays where the forwards in winger are left to themselves hence the poor goal output. At the same time the with all the midfielders unwilling to abandon their position, the defence is firmly shielded at all times which has produced a great defensive record for Liverpool this season.
I dont know what causes this lack of movement from the midfield. Instructions from Dalglish, lack of instructions, lack of will, courage or ability? Maybe even absence the right players like Meireles.
Either way I think the entire Carroll issue is symptomatic of Liverpool´s lack of dynamic from midfield. The whole season has been cluttered with the assumption, that all Liverpool need to do, is to play the ball out to the flanks and whip in crosses to the big man.
As predictable as it is, such a simplistic way of playing doesn´t work. Surely Dalglish´s greatest tactical weakness so far must be his failure to implement any kind of dynamics to his midfield or even worse failure to even acknowledge the need to do more than hit Carroll with long balls and crosses.
To fix this problem time will be a major factor as greater understanding, confidence and teamwork will help make some players more confident to make those runs.
A possible solution would be to bench Carroll and play Gerrard in that attacking midfield role he used to occupy in his heyday just behind Torres. Suarez and Gerrard would bring a whole other dimension to the attack. Instead we are treated with a Gerrard sitting fairly deep and playing in a position where his weaknesses like lack of defensive awareness and vision is exploited.
To enhance to problem further my suspicion is, that the current personal in central midfield, despite the progress of time, will never learn to make those runs because they are not those types of players.
Adam lacks stamina and pace, Henderson is more of a passing midfielder without the desire or perception to move into attacking positions. Downing is the typically Englsih-drilled winger who was never intended to make runs in behind and therefore never does while Kuyt is mostly too occupied with pressing the opposition to think of making those runs.
Surely observers and Liverpool fans alike must abandon the idea of big-man Carroll must be doing all the work alone in an outdated British system. That idea is simply too casual and outdated for modern football. Nevermind the fact that, Carroll was never good enough in the first place.
It´s hard to suggest players fit for a more dynamic approach for Liverpool. In addition to being good midfielders they must also possesses this desire to run deep. Marek Hamsik could be a good although quite an expensive addition.
Any suggestions?
Liverpool has been static for years whereas many United attacking players can play couple of different roles. Giggs can play wide area and central role so he can move more comfortably, Welbeck can play wide area and center forward role, Rooney can drop deep etc.
I think you need couple of well rounded players for fluid attacking method and Liverpool currently only has specialized role players or, as you suggest, coach ask players of staying on designed area. It will take longtime and new players for adopting fluid attacking.
astonished by the amount of space Liv gave Rooney for the 2nd goal. talk about freedom of the City . possibly the first too.
When will Carrick ever get the credit he deserves?
When will people talk about Rooney in the same category as Ronaldo and Messi?
Scholes and Giggs are just a pair of crafty old wizards, pure genius.