Liverpool 2-1 Manchester United: Patient game settled by route one winner

The starting line-ups
4-5-1 v 4-5-1 became 4-4-2 v 4-4-2, and Liverpool just about came out on top.
Kenny Dalglish had surprisingly named three recognised centre-backs in the Liverpool line-up, while Craig Bellamy was on the bench with Andy Carroll upfront alone.
Sir Alex Ferguson was without Nani, Wayne Rooney and Phil Jones, so played a 4-5-1 system with Danny Welbeck upfront, and Paul Scholes deep in a midfield three.
For a match that was expected to be a fiery, ferocious scrap, it was actually rather tame. Both sides played calmly in the centre of the pitch but lacked creativity in open play.
Liverpool shape
The first question was about which shape Liverpool would play. On paper, it seemed logical that they would play a 3-4-2-1ish system, as the side featured roughly the same players that had set out that way against Stoke at home recently. However, Jamie Carragher was deployed as a ‘centre-half’ in front of the two centre-backs, anchoring the midfield.
It’s uncertain whether Dalglish named his side intending to play that way. It is possible that he would have picked Carragher wanting to play with a back three – but then, upon seeing United were only playing one upfront, preferred the extra man in midfield rather than an unnecessary 3 v 1 at the back. Either way, Carragher allowed Liverpool that flexibility, and the option to have a spare man however many forwards United played. Such a player shouldn’t be underestimated.
Midfield battle
That said, Carragher is clearly a makeshift holding player. Like a lot of centre-backs played as a holder (one good example would be Everton’s Johnny Heitinga), he prefers to track a specific man, as he would against the number ten when the opposition play a 4-2-3-1. (Lucas Leiva, incidentally, is the opposite. He’s good enough to play either role, but always seems more comfortable energetically sweeping between the lines rather than tracking a specific opponent.)
Anyway, United were 4-5-1 with three central midfielders playing rather deep, so Carragher had no-one to track. He didn’t really know what to do with himself – he lacked the mobility and the passing skills to help Liverpool compete, and therefore United were much better in the centre of the pitch in the first half. They were more adept on the ball, and they also had the fluidity to tilt the midfield triangle and work moves through the middle – Scholes popped up in the box a couple of times.
The battle in the midfield was being won by the away side – that was no surprise once the formations became clear. 4-3-3 v 4-3-3 – the free players were the two deeper midfielders. Who will dictate the game more with the ball – Scholes or Carragher? It’s hardly a debate, and by half time, Scholes had made 75 passes, Carragher only 23.
Goals
But United didn’t turn their dominance of possession into consistent pressure. The only other interesting tactical feature of the game was how they used their wide players – Antonio Valencia hugged the touchline as a classic winger, while Park Ji-Sung came off the flank, becoming more and more central as the game went on. Indeed, by the end of the first half, it often looked like United were 4-4-1-1, with Park behind Welbeck and Giggs covering the left flank. With Park inside, Patrice Evra moved forward to push Stewart Downing back. The goal came from width down the right and Park coming off the left to get into the box, summing up their tactics.
Liverpool had gone ahead from a corner, by the simple but effective tactic of crowding around David De Gea, then hanging the ball up into a position he couldn’t get to. The odd thing in these situations is that when there is a concerted effort to prevent a goalkeeper getting the ball, he perennially tries to do so anyway, almost as if he has to prove a point that his tactics haven’t been compromised. Had De Gea stayed on his line, he might have saved the ball – it hit him on the head before going in.
Second half
Fifteen minutes passed without much tactical interest, with the exception of one thing – Liverpool changed their tactics at corners, no longer crowding De Gea. This made little sense with the goalkeeper visibly nervous – it’s not as if the successful tactic was some kind of clever ‘trick’, it was simply something United couldn’t cope with. Liverpool had little creativity in open play, and relinquishing a good chance to profit from a dead ball situation was an odd move.
After an hour, Dalglish made two substitutions but kept the same formation. Charlie Adam came on to replace Carragher in the holding role. Meanwhile, Dirk Kuyt replaced Maxi Rodriguez, with Downing going to the left.
(At least, that’s what effectively happened on the pitch. In fact, the substitutions were actually made the other way around – Adam replaced Maxi, and Kuyt came on for Carragher. This clearly wasn’t the natural way to do things – it was simply a winger for a winger, a central midfielder for a central midfielder, in a 4-3-3. Perhaps this was unintentional and simply a case of paperwork being handed over to the fourth official in a certain way, but when making a double substitution, it always seems worth a manager swapping players the ‘wrong’ way around like Dalglish did here. Even if it creates two minutes of confusion for the opposition, it’s worth it.)
Gerrard briefly played the holding role, but then Adam took over. Adam isn’t a holder himself, and Liverpool’s problems at Bolton last week largely came from Adam and Gerrard being unable to pick up driving runs from midfield. However, in a patient game based around passing, Adam could afford to be a holder; United offered neither the threat of a number ten, nor runs from midfield. Liverpool looked a bit better after the changes – they passed the ball quicker in midfield, and now had width from two players on their natural sides, helping to stretch the play.
4-4-2s

The formations for the final 15 minutes
With around 15 minutes to go, the managers made effectively the same change – pacey strikers for midfield veterans. Bellamy replaced Gerrard, Javier Hernandez came on for Scholes. Neither manager really wanted a replay – they both went for the win.
The game opened out a bit more – defences had to play slightly deeper and no longer had a spare man. The midfields altered slightly too, and for some reason, possibly linked to the departure of Scholes (who might have been tired by this stage), United lost control and Liverpool were the better side late on.
Kuyt winner
However, the midfield had nothing to do with the late winner. Pepe Reina’s long ball found Carroll, who nodded it on for Kuyt to finish. Evra was poorly positioned, but Carroll had a key impact for both goals. It reinforces the view that Chris Smalling and Johnny Evans are probably United’s best centre-back partnership at present, but will struggle against physical number nines.
The final question is this – did the pace of Bellamy force United to defend deeper, and make the goal possible? For Reina’s goal kick for the goal, United seem to be defending 10-15 yards deeper than they were for the previous long goal kick, on 55 minutes. Had Smalling not dropped so deep, Kuyt would have been offside and the game might have finished 1-1.
Conclusion
Neither side played their best football – like the league meeting (largely forgotten because of the aftermath) there was a lack of invention and creativity in the final third, particularly in central positions between the lines. The goals came from (a) a corner, (b) a cross and (c) a long goal kick. It never seemed likely there would be a clever goal from a through ball, for example – the game was patient and based around passing, yet not particularly beautiful.
There were essentially two games here. One was 4-5-1 v 4-5-1 for 75 minutes, when United were better because they had better passers in midfield. The other was 4-4-2 v 4-4-2 for 15 minutes, when Liverpool got the winner because they had a big centre-forward more suited to more direct football.
Maybe this game will kick-start Carroll’s Liverpool career – for both goals he did the dirty, unfashionable things that turned out to be extremely helpful.
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starting lineups wrong
Yes, repeated photo!
Oops – same pic in twice! Thanks guys
game completely irrelevant in face of continued racism, shame evra didn’t kick liverpool fans ala. cantona.
Yeah, irrelevant. Let’s leave that out of this page & discuss tactics shall we? Keep this page clean.
I’m sure Evra kicking United fans would have diffused the tension brilliantly.
Indeed, as Aizat says, would be great if we can keep this about the on-pitch stuff!
whilst i will leave it because this brilliant website discusses football as it should be i couldn’t help myself on this particular occasion, emotion got the best of me. but yes, fantastic analysis again. do you think the united midfield is lacking a physical presence at the moment? both sides were in my opinion lacking a that link between midfield and attack today but then with suarez and rooney both missing i suppose that’s no surprise.
Finlaly! This is just what I was looking for.
What United needs a good holding player who can also retain the ball as well as make good passes while under pressure. Scholes, Giggs and Carrick in the second half when pressed were unable to dictate the play like the way they did in the first half and had a lot of passes going astray. They also need a big, tall and physical striker such as Edinson Cavani or Fernando Llorente, especially given that Liverpool defends deep with physical defenders. Overall not a bad game for United, given that with the current injury crisis they still managed a decent effort.
Agree on Llorente. And on another midfielder, though I’d like to see someone with a bit more drive…although still think Modric would be perfect
In reality i think they need at least 2 midfielders. Modric and an Ozil-type player
Even though they need the creative midfielder, doesn’t anyone think United might benefit from the direct box-to-box midfielder? Someone physical who likes to get in the box, yet has the stamina to track back. The names Moussa Sissoko, Marouane Fellaini and Javi Martinez (albeit the latter 2 have developed more defensive roles recently) come to mind.
I think a player more like Bastian Schweinsteiger would be suitable. Modric can string together those perfect imaginative passes and retain the ball magnificently, but he lacks that ability to finish well (he only really scores fluke goals), and tackle well.
Julian, for me Modric makes more sense (although Schweinsteiger would obviously help any team as well) because finishing is not the issue for the team as currently constituted. Their forwards especially are quite good finishers – Hernandez, and Welbeck are both quite good around the area and Rooney and Berbatov are both also good in this regard. The problem from my perspective is a lack of players to play an incisive pass or make a strong run to create an opportunity. The only players in the squad who regularly set up chances are Nani, Valencia, Rooney and Giggs. None are center midfielders (even when Giggs features there he frequently drifts to the wings to create his chances – see vs. Arsenal last week or alst year CL against Chelsea) and so there is almost no spark in that area. Plenty of finishers, but no creators in my opinion.
I am a Spurs fan, so I obviously hold some biases here, I don’t want United getting their paws on Modric!
My point however still stands. United have a strong attacking/finishing department of course. Modric I genuinely feel would make United too defensively weak in the midfield though, and Modric cannot be played up further up the field very effectively due to his lack of scoring threat. United need a Parker to field Modric, a tough tackling Midfielder (such as Schweinsteiger), or maybe even a central defensive midfielder.
@Julian,
I still remember in the 2009-2010 UCL quarter final second leg match between Man U and Bayern, when United pressed Bayern in the first half, Schweinsteiger had almost no impact, which I feel is a concern. Because if Schweinsteiger can’t keep possesion under pressure Man United’s midfield problem won’t be solved.
Someone with drive – maybe Javi Martinez
I reckon Utd could do with someone like Javi Martinez (complete holding player)or Nuri Sahin as a regista …or (in a perfect world) both.
Don’t see much effect in these technical midfield proposals for Utd. Ferguson has never deployed any other tactic on his own accord, other than 442 with maximum emphases on width. Sure there have been many variations, but United’s default tactic is quick vertical passing out wide and conversion.
Before anyone shouts out counterattack! – that was a Queiroz tactic. It is telling that after he left, ferguson gradually re-adapted to his default 442- with Ronaldo & Tevez gone, he has fully restored his 442.
I guess shouts about Modric, Mata, Sneijder are directed at United because of Barcalona’s hegemony. Now everyone wants some replicant properties of the system which wins. Of course these solutions are at best two-dimensional and won’t work for United under Ferguson. He has if people forgot experimented with a possession dynamo in Seba Veron, who was unsuited to United’s vertical tactics. Signing a Barca clone will not solve United current SR crisis..
In this case, against Liverpool, United’s lack of a holding player was really showing. Its not so much abt copying Barca’s system but having a player who can still maintain possesion while under pressure. A playmaker in the Ozil mould would be good too. Rooney is currently the playmaker though he plays as a striker at the same time, but the additional playmaker is to ensure creativity up front if Rooney is unavailable.
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Wouldn’t say Dalglish is a master tactician, but taking Carragher off was a good move, he’d been useless. Why he started there in the first place goodness only knows.
I’m assuming he was planning on a back 3, perhaps expecting berba to start for united.
United suffered for not having a decent left winger, most of the play was going down the right but Liverpool were mostly free to double up. United looked much better when Park moved to the top of the midfield three. (Park for me is at best a stopgap when played on the left) and Giggs moved left, but Giggs was pretty ineffectual in both positions. It’s worth noting that Ferguson only made one substitution, there was nothing on the bench for United so by failing to convert their massive superiority for the 75 minutes they were always going to struggle in the 15 with two ageing midfielders.
Something that noone’s mentioned much yet was Evra’s game, although he was defensively sound apart from a couple of crosses he allowed and the bad positioning for the final United goal, he seemed much more reluctant than usual to bomb forward, he even made a run at one point then literally pulled up and played a sideways pass. A couple of possible reasons for that: the play was going down the right hand side a lot and Rafael plays very aggressively so he may have had to stop and cover a lot, he may have been intimidated by the hugely hostile atmosphere. It’s more noticeable when Evra doesn’t go forwards when Park is his winger because he has the pace to go outside and Park doesn’t.
Finally, it’s a little unfair to put United’s goal in the same category as Liverpool’s successful attempts to play like Stoke. It may have been a cross but it came from a through ball to release a fullback to then cut the ball back, rather than a percentage ball into the box from wide.
Could it be said that Carragher played a kind of ‘libero’ role today, especially in the first half? Seemed to start within the defensive line and then step out alongside Gerrard in attack. Not that he knew how to play the role at all.
I think it’s a bit harsh to say that Smalling and Evans struggled against a physical opponent [Carroll] today. Carroll was threatening(or useful in Liverpool attack) only twice throughout the match and, somewhat unfortunately for united, both led to goals.
What makes me more puzzling is the questionable positioning and marking of Evra. He made the exactly same mistake in last CL Final where he lost Pedro. Evra’s still a quality fullback but seems to be losing his concentration occasionally.
Though I knew that United will gonna lose the game when SAF subbed Scholes and introduced Chicharito. He should have used Berbatov so setting up either Berba – Chicharito or Berba – Welbeck. There’s no point in using both Welbeck and Chicharito at the same time.
fergusson tacticaly is so stupid.. it’s unbelievable – can’t he read a book about tactics or something? hopefully he’ll retire after this season that old bastard sell united to glzers and they ruined it. and there will be no signings because old mutherfuckin cunt thinks he’s clever as well as conman glazers won’t give any money obviously
Easy my friend and a bit more decency in the site. SAF would not have won 19 League Titles and 2 CL titles if he were incompetent. A manager or coach can only plan tactics, its up to the players to perform on the pitch.
Liverpool – In central defense, Skrtel dealt with most crosses and long balls to Welbeck and Agger covered whenever he didnt, both keeping him very quiet. Enrique did was outdone by Valencia a few times, but over the course of the game did okay, whilst managing to get a forward a few times. Kelly had a hard time with Park, uncomfortable tracking him inside, he let him go free in the first half (leading to the goal).
In midfield, Carragher was really poor, losing the ball every time he got it and not even dealing with park well when he moved inside, him coming off was the best thing for Liverpool. Henderson on the other hand, had a great game, pressing and tracking Giggs and stopping him from influencing the game (which when you think how pivotal he was against Arsenal, was very important). This stopped United having any sort of drive from midfield in the first half. Gerrard was disappointing, playing far too deep and leaving Carroll isolated meaning Liverpool lacked a link from midfield to attack.
Downing and Maxi were poor as well for Liverpool, both playing far too deep and not having any threat for Liverpool. Both let the United fullbacks press them backwards into there own half, letting United dominate (though they defended well against the fullbacks, its not what you wanna see).
Carroll in the circumstances did a hard job really well. He chased long balls, won headers and pressed the CB’s all game. He also held up the ball better than he had recently, but without support it was wasted. As ZM stated, he was important in both goals, and the second goal showed how the changes Liverpool made gave him more support which lead to a goal.
Liverpool looked better in the second half after Daglish made changes. Adam came on and wasnt pressed, so could start controlling the game with some really good passing. Kuyt got the goal which justified his substitution, but even without it he looked a much better bet on the right, pressing Evra back and looking to support Carroll. Near the end, Bellamy came on which probably could have lost them the control they had gained in midfield, but with United doing a similar move, he proved a good move, supporting Carroll and pushing the defense back with his pace.
overall, Liverpool played too defensively in the first half and lost the midfield battle, but United didnt take advantage, and when Liverpool made more attacking changes (brave management) they managed to win the game.
Man United – Smalling and Evans struggled with Carroll all game, though it only lead to a goal when Carroll was well supported. I dont think this CB partnership can work really, neither are good enough in the air and this weakness will be picked up on. At fullback they did very well though, both pushed there wingers back and allowed United to dominate. Rafael was particularly good, managing to get an assist and tested maxis defensive skills (weaker than Downings). Evra found it harder to get into good positions, with Downing defending well against him and having Kelly free to defend that flank (with park moving inside).
In midfield, they dominated because Scholes was left free and had time and space to pick his passes and keep possession excellently. But the rest of the midfield wasnt as good. Carrick was disappointing, reluctant to press forward to either a)win the ball back quickly to start a quick attack or b) try and get into the box for chances. He kept the ball excellently but didnt provide any thrust from midfield. Giggs equally kept possession well but was pressed by Henderson in the first half and coudlnt create any chances. He even moved wide left to try and find space but then found Kelly pressing him. Overall Liverpool dealt with Giggs excellently in the first half, and it showed that without him United failed to make their dominance count.
In attack, Valencia was a good threat, testing Enrique for pace and getting in behind on a few occasions, while also having Rafael overlapping. He hit the post and was part of a good goal United scored. But he stayed too wide, looking uncomfortable coming inside, when he could have provided a different threat (he became slightly predictable). Park moved inside and got into good positions (notably for his goal) but lacked the quality to make things happen and couldnt open up the liverpool defense. He also left the left flank free, which Evra wasnt able to provide the width for as Downing and Kelly could double up on him. Welbeck was dominated by the Liverpool CB’s and couldnt get into the game, leaving United a bit nullified in attack.
United lost it in the second half, when they moved to a 442 shape with Hernandez on, it ruined there whole shape. They lost Scholes which meant they lost the control they had in midfield. There defense was pushed back by Kuyt and Bellamy, with the fullbacks no longer pushing the wingers back, and the CB’s no longer having the protection of the midfield as much. Valencia had to move deeper, where he was less effective while Park couldnt move inside as much (less possession meant he didnt have the time or support) and Park was even less likely to produce a goal from wide left. Most importantly, Hernandez and Welbeck dont seem to have a great partnership, both want to lead the line, with neither comfortable dropping off.
Overall, in the first half, United dominated possession (thanks to scholes), got there fullbacks forward and had a good goal threat in Valencia while Parks movement left him free in the centre. But they lacked variability in there play and couldnt turn there dominance into goals as Welbeck was well marshaled, Park didnt have the quality and Valencia was too predictable. They lost the game in the second half when they surrended there midfield dominance for a bigger goal threat in Hernandez, this backfired as the left Liverpool back into the game and if anything had less of a goal threat with there fullbacks pushed back, Valencia playing deeper and two strikers on the pitch who couldnt play together effectively.
It was obvious both sides were missing Rooney and Suarez (the link between there midfield and attacks) as Giggs and Gerrard were both ineffective at this role
I don’t really think it was Gerrard’s role in this set-up to link midfield and attack
It should have been, he had carrick and scholes ahead of him, running at both can lead to problems, he should have given United more problems. Its his drive from midfield that is his biggest asset, him staying deep when up against Carrick (a player not known for his forward runs) was wasteful.
A little comment on the Kuyt winner: Both Carroll and Kuyt were in offside position when the goalkick was taken, no? http://imgur.com/tQFNp
A player can’t be offside from a goalkick, like a throw-in and a corner.
Yes they can, it just happens very rarely. You cant be offside from a corner for obvious reasons
No they can’t. Need proof?
Page 33, Law 11: http://ar.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12e.pdf
“There is no offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
- a goal kick
- a throw-in
- a corner kick”
Carroll was not offside for his header because it was directly from Reina’s goalkick. If you could be offside from a goalkick defences would certainly push up to the halfway line for them, there would be no incentive not to.
The officials got it spot on, in fact they had a very good match. I’d (as a Liverpool fan) would say the only mistakes they made were not booking Adam when he grabbed at Park and Maxi for his silly two footed challenge (which was so slow you couldn’t describe it as dangerous, but probably warranted a yellow on principle).
Really? I do apologise. I thought it was the same idea as a freekick. Sorry.
No problem, as you said it is quite rare for it to happen. The rule is rather obscure.
You can’t be offside directly from a goal kick, by the time carroll flicks it on kuyt was back onside.
I really didn’t know this. I knew about the throw-in and the corner kick; never aware that the same rule also applies to goalkick. Thanks!
The game just proved that Evra really is very poor defensively. He’s great going forward, for sure, put his positioning is all over the place, and he seems to lose concentration easily. Tbh, Liverpool were pretty poor for the first 70 mins, but once they switched to 4-4-2, they suddenly looked a much better side, and Carroll suddenly became a threat once he had Bellamy and Kuyt near him.
Think today’s match proved that while having a central defender who can push forward to become part of the midfield might a good idea, Carragher is not the player to play that role. He barely got close to a Man Utd player all match, at times in the first half it looked like Liverpool weren’t playing with a defensive midfielder at all, there was so much free space between the lines. I thought Liverpool were noticeably better after he was subbed off.
One little thing on your excellent article ZM, you mention that in the 2nd half Liverpool changed their tactics at corners for no apparent reason. I also noticed this during the match and was equally confused, but after the match Ferguson said in his ITV post match interview that their real problem with those set pieces was that their own defenders contributed to impeding De Gea. I think it is entirely possible that at half time Ferguson told his players not to mark any players standing directly in the keeper’s way, and due to this change Liverpool may have decided it was no longer worth putting anyone on De Gea (if the referee sees two Liverpool players ‘marking’ the keeper and no Man Utd defenders anywhere near I suspect he would give a free kick for obstruction 9 times out of 10). After all part of the reason the set piece tactic worked was the Man Utd defence was seemingly so preoccupied with Carroll and Kelly standing in the 6 yard box they forgot to prevent Agger getting a free header from a deeper position (the other part was as you said De Gea went for the ball, presumably to look assertive, when he should have stayed on his line and given himself a good chance of making the save).
Having watched Liverpool all season I’d be very surprised if Kenny’s original position was to start out with 3 at the back. Yes it worked in the first Stoke game but it failed miserably at home against them where we repeatedly had an extra man at the back which could have been used far more effectively in midfield or attack. I’d hazard an educated guess that Kenny was expecting Ferguson to play with somebody between the lines, maybe he thought the Rooney injury situation was Fergie trying one of his old tricks.
Whatever it was, I believe Kenny thought United would play 4-4-1-1 – a system which Carragher would have been much better utilised against. My worry would be why for long periods of the game did we give Scholes so much space. It was quite obvious in the first 20 minutes that Carragher’s role was not needed. I believe we over-compensated because of our lack of defensive midfielder in the game against Bolton where both Gerrard and Adam got overrun in midfield. To me, that’s what that formation screamed – “careful, don’t let it happen again. We were overly cautious. We played like the away team until the substitutions, whether it was a tactic or just how the game panned out I don’t know. I’d like to think it was a tactic, especially because of how good we are away from home. So I’d like to think that was recognised by Clarke & Dalglish so they instructed the players to hold a deep line & hit on the break. Either way it was a game where we conceded a lot of possession but Reina didn’t really have a save to make.
I saw only the highlights, but was taken with another weaknesses of De Gea: early in the clip one of the Liverpool players was steadying himself to shoot and the goalie sprang vertically, with both feet off the ground. So he couldn’t immediately push off in either direction when the ball was kicked – very odd: a sign of nerves?
Don’t really understand the reasoning by Sir Alex. Berba and Chicharito just spectators lately. Ashley Young seems to have fallen into oblivion as well.
It’s as if SAF has resigned himself to only play it close to the vest in matches and protect tight scorelines. A bit conservative it seems.
Liverpool were very physical and United seems to not be able to put those type of teams away.
I liked Liverpool’s intensity. United’s younger players couldn’t match it.
Dominating Anfield for 75 minutes without Vidic, Rooney, Nani, Young and Jones is acceptable. The latter four could have provided pace and penetration – Valencia was on his own today. Good gameplan, good performance.
Yeah, and Liverpool won’t be able to replicate this week in week out. Their seasons seem to be built around the home games against United.
Liverpool choose right game plan. United center-half is big concern for this season. United was forced to use 433 due to injury but United team does not have proper specialized midfielder for three men midfielder system. Only Liverpool sitting deep and defend make United dominate possession.
Welbeck cannot make impression mainly due to Liverpool field three CB, Giggs does not has enough mobility as a second striker role in 433. Liverpool take rough up Park to prevent him through game.
United young keeper is main weakness. Feel sorry for David seeing Gerrard strike ball only to test him in air. United defense keep fail the team. It is interesting to see how much time will take to form reasonable level of defense system.
amazing how bad mainstream ( i.e tv ) punditry is. no mention of the obvious Liv back 3 marking man u’s 1 etc. as ZM explained so well, Carra pushed up into m/f, but he’s still a centre back & not a ball-playing one at that. the theory suggest man u would dominate possession in those circumstances, and they did. Liv really missing a def m/f ( lucas , spearing )as they did at bolton. utd just couldn’t take advantage though. that team had virtually no goal threat on paper. ask y/self how many players for man u could get a modest 10 lge goals per season NOW ( not 15 years re scholes/giggs ). only really Welbeck could. the lack of a true ball winning m/f for man u , in the mould of keane, fletcher seems to lead Fergie into thinking he need to compensate for that by getting extra graft from his other m/fielders at the expense of goal threat. ( for these tough away games in particular )
Alex Ferguson is most simple minded manager in my opinion, I don’t think that he focus too much about the tactical side of game. Usually, want to impose his attacking game upon the opposition. Sheer will to win of his player is the strongest point of his team.
That is way his team always contender in the league but cup title game is not his game.
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On a tiactical note, I wonder why SAF did not use Berbatov, who can control the ball better in the 6 yard box drawing Liverpool defenders, allowing Utd’s wide players to penetrate more easily.
I thought that SAF’s tactical response to Dalglish was a miscalculated one.
I too was surprised that he chose to not use Berba towards the end for Welbeck. With Chicarito and Welbeck on the field and with no Scholes to play through balls I don’t know what he was thinking. Berba would at least have held the ball up better.
Agree completely. Bringing on Hernandez instead of Berbatov seemed a big mistake to me. United were clearly losing control at ~65 minutes as Liverpool’s substitutions had brought a ton of energy and removing Carragher was a huge benefit as he was invisible for the most part. In theory I guess taking off Scholes and putting Hernandez was a desire to get quicker on the counterattack assuming they would be under siege the rest of the game anyway. In reality it ceded far too much control and United couldn’t even get enough of the ball to try to play on the break. Hernandez had only maybe 1 or 2 touches. Berbatov would have made far more sense as he could have held the ball up better and they already had Welbeck looking to get in behind.
Liverpool ceded possession to Manchester United, they didn’t have the will or the players to do anything about it in the middle, but it wasn’t a problem because Manchester United never looked like doing anything with it. If Manchester United had been able to score first it might have made a difference but for the most part it was boring, wasteful possession with no penetration or threat, much like a lot of the possession Liverpool have had at Anfield this season (gives possession a bad name!). Both sides worked hard, took few risks and the game had draw written all over it.
It’s hard to criticise either side. With the external events surrounding the game it was never going to be a game of high intensity, pressing and tackling. Manchester United were missing Rooney and Nani, and Liverpool were without Suarez and Lucas (who is the only player at the club who seems to be able to give their midfield any balance) and had played a high intensity game against city a few days earlier.
A draw would have been fair, but United probably deserved to lose for doing so little with the possession they had and failing to exploit Carragher.
Wasn’t Carroll offside when Renia kicked the Goal kick? The view that I saw showed both, Kuyt and Carroll offside when Renia took the kick.
You can’t be offside from a goalkick – see upthread.
I think Carragher was deliberately put into the midfield due to Liverpool’s lack of a proper defensive midfielder with both Lucas and Spearing injured. Otherwise if it was just a tactical shift it surely would have made more sense to put Agger, more of a ball player, into the midfield.
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