Udinese 0-0 Juventus: Conte mirrors Guidolin’s tactics and creates a stalemate

The starting line-ups
A draw between 3rd and 2nd means Milan will end 2011 top of Serie A.
Francesco Guidolin was without the suspended Mehdi Benatia at the back, so played Damiano Ferronetti, while Almen Abdi played behind Antonio Di Natale.
Antonio Conte played his expected line-up. There were rumours before the game that he would switch to 3-5-2, although the line-up suggested that it would be more of a 4-5-1.
But it did turn out to be a rough 3-5-2, and therefore the sides were playing very similar systems.
In truth, not a great deal happened in this game, so let’s work through the pitch from top to bottom, as shown on the diagram.
Udinese attack v Juve defence
A back three is generally considered to be a better option against two upfront, rather than one. The thing about Udinese’s system, though, is that it’s a 3-5-1-1; in a way there’s one upfront, in another the opposition can treat it as a two. Therefore, it’s possible to (a) play a three, have your holding midfielder working higher up and have 3 v 2 at the back, or (b) play a back four, with two defenders up against Di Natale, and tell your holding midfielder to pick up Abdi (with the full-backs looking higher up the pitch to the Udinese wing-backs).
Conte’s approach is probably preferable, both in theoretical terms and when you look at the players he has available. Since Udinese play wing-backs rather than wingers, a back four means you can can often be left with 4 v 1, which is solid enough defensively but means you’ll be overrun in midfield. Furthermore, Conte doesn’t want to give a big defensive responsibility to Andrea Pirlo, because he’s a creative deep-lying midfielder, rather than a combative one. Therefore, he told Pirlo to focus on the midfield, and had 3 v 2 at the back.
Abdi played the role that Udinese’s attacking midfielder always plays – a midfielder dropping on Pirlo in the defensive phase, a second striker in the attacking phase. Last year, with Alexis Sanchez in that role, it often worked brilliantly – see the Inter game for an example, for how Sanchez became the extra man in midfield and robbed Inter of their spare man – but Juve, as mentioned, had a spare defender even when he moved forward so he wasn’t a great threat.
Giorgio Chiellini was usually the man to start attacks for Juve, often moving forward into midfield. There was a simple reason why he completed the most passes of Juve’s back three – Andrea Barzagli was up against Di Natale, Leo Bonucci was spare, and with Abdi dropping on Pirlo, Chiellini had space to move into.
Wing-backs v wing-backs
Not a huge amount going on here. Both left-sided wing-backs played higher up than their counterparts on the right, with Lichsteiner sometimes dropping in to become more of a right-back. As always with wing-backs v wing-backs, they pretty much just ran up and down the line with each other.
Midfield v Midfield
Arturo Vidal and Kwadwo Asamoah were doing battle and cancelled each other out. Pirlo was denied too much time on the ball by either Abdi, or one of the Udinese midfielders, who pressured high up.
The interesting thing here was the movement of Claudio Marchisio, who in theory was being watched by both Mauricio Isla and Giampaolo Pinzi, but with neither programmed to track him permanently, he often got space when Isla was watching players higher up, and Pinzi got dragged to either side and left a space in the ‘red zone’ ahead of the centre-backs. Marchisio had the best chances of the game, by arriving unchecked on the edge of the box with the centre-backs moving deep and Pinzi letting him go.
Udinese defence v Juventus attack
The strange thing here was Pepe’s positioning. Although he played deeper than Alessandro Matri, he wasn’t really dropping off into the midfield, he was staying high up as a support striker. This didn’t really make sense – Juve had proper forward on the bench if they wanted to play a front two, but a front two was playing into the hands of the Udinese back three anyway.
What Pepe should have been doing, since Juve were copying the Udinese system, was playing as Sanchez did last year – as a central winger, drifting from flank to flank and stretching the back three out of place. His positioning in the first half was terrible, almost as if he didn’t understand the instructions he had been given. Conte clearly had a word at half time and he moved wider, particularly to the left, and created a couple of decent moments.
Substitutions
Neither of these managers like to tinker much within games, and neither looked to change anything from the bench. Conte replaced his front two with Fabio Quagliarella and Alessandro Del Piero in the 71st and 80th minutes, but it had little tactical impact – though Quagliarella was more lively than Matri.
Conclusion
A interesting first quarter whilst it became clear that Juve had gone three at the back, but then something of a stalemate – and long periods of the second half were actually quite dull.
Conte’s plan to play a spare man worked well at the back, but Juve didn’t have enough going forward to unlock Udinese. Pepe and Abdi weren’t good enough – better movement from either of them probably would have resulted in their respective sides creating more chances, but Marchisio was the man who should have won it.





About 4 v 1 and being overrun with wing backs, you could just as well be playing a tightly packed 4-1-4-1 or a 4-2-3-1 with the wing players extremely narrow and not get overrun?
ZM didn’t say overrun with wingbacks but in midfield. With Abdi dropping into midfield, Udinese had 4v3 in the middle. In a 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1, you have 2 CB’s who can a) take care of Di Natale, leave Abdi alone and be outnumbered 4v3 in midfield or b) have one of them follow Abdi up the pitch to keep it 4v4 in midfield, but then you’re left 1 CB vs 1 CF. Not defensively sound theoretically.
In a 4-2-3-1, if the wing players play extremely narrow like you said, then they’ll be in no position to pick up Udinese’s wingbacks, who will then run at Juve’s outside backs unopposed, creating a 4v4 situation in Juve’s defense (2 Udinese forwards and wingbacks vs 4 Juve defenders). You could argue that Juve would then own a 5v4 advantage in midfield, but that’s assuming one of Udinese’s 3 CB’s won’t move up into midfield to even things out(since they don’t need 3 CB watching Matri). Then you have a very crowded 5v5 midfield situation which usually creates nothing while giving Udinese an easy out and attack down the wings, and thus the advantage.
Well said!
Conte is starting to worry me.He changes his tactical formation too often-from 4-4-2,to 4-1-4-1 then 4-3-3 and last mathces against Napoli and Udinese 3-5-2.I’m starting to think that he hasn’t got cleared for himself how should the team look in tactical terms.
I agree that Conte hasn’t figured out how to set his side out, but the form of his attacking players may be the reason for that. Juve have been a shambles for a couple years, but Conte has identified that he has great defenders and enough energy in midfield to free up Pirlo. Up front, Juve’s strengths aren’t so apparent.
The adjustments for this game sought to maintain their strengths, but I was also disappointed with Pepe’s positioning. Then proceeded to fall asleep– the old 352 v 352 conundrum. Vidal looks like he could use the winter break.
Yeah, I think Conte has done a very job overall, I must say.
I think players such as Estigarribia,Pazienza,Giaccherini don’t have place in the starting eleven or even as key substitutes.They are not bad players they are just not good enough for world class teams like Juventus.
Conte’s tactics have certainly varied since the season’s start. The team played their entire pre-season (and early part of the season) with a very attacking 4-4-2 wing formation, mostly copied from Conte’s Siena days, and it looked for a while as if Juventus would shape the entire season based on that model. Remember though that early this season, after a very shitty half-decade the Old Lady was still trying to re-find itself, searching for a long-lost winning identity (along with the players that would help her retrieve it) that had been missing in Turin for quite some time. What happened on the pitch was only 50% of the work, the biggest task ahead was a MENTAL one. So at this stage, tactical tweaking was to be expected.
At any rate, Conte’s changes have been primarily motivated by player form. The 4-4-2 wing-attack was reliant on Milos Krasic delivering a certain type of output, which the Serbian midfielder hasn’t been able to provide (not to mention that his form has been terrible for over a year). At the same time, Juve were searching (and possibly still are) for a pure left winger that they probably still haven’t really found, despite Eljero Elia’s arrival. Lastly, the 4-4-2 with Pirlo and Marchisio in the middle essentially precluded a very talented, hard-working man like Vidal (which clearly fits the bill of the type of player Antonio Conte wants) from playing. So ultimately, all these reasons led to the 4-1-4-1 switch which eventually turned into a 4-3-3 with Vucinic as left winger/second striker (a much better-suited position for him than Matri’s striking partner: the two have been terrible together in a 4-4-2).
It’s safe to say that at the moment, Conte’s settled on a 4-3-3. It’s the formation that gives him the most reliability. If all of Buffon – Lichtsteiner, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini – Vidal, Pirlo, Marchisio – Pepe, Matri, Vucinic are fit, they are 90% guaranteed to get the start.
At the same time keeping with his playing philosophy, Conte has been very respectful of opposing sides, readily willing to switch his own formation to match his opponent’s if the circumstances require it. Like you said 3-5-2 was also used against Napoli (that time Marchisio was out to suspension, so Pepe played as an inner midfielder while Vucinic paired with Matri up top) but much like Udinese, this was done as specific counter for a specific team. You will not see Conte alter his tactics like so every match. In fact the rest of the time, Conte WILL use a 4-3-3 unless any other major changes of form occur in the squad roster. Possibly a resurgence of Fabio Quagliarella?
(though in my opinion in the latter case, Fabio will just slot into Matri’s position as Conte doesn’t really see him as a winger/seconda punta)
I’m not sure whether Milos Krasic and Elia aren’t in good shape.Conte hasn’t used them at all,so we can’t be sure if they play well or not,because he hasn’t given them a chance.
I also think that 4-3-3 is the optimal tactical formation for now,but instead of Pepe and Vucinic,players such as Krasic,Elia and Quagliarella should take their places.
You “can’t be sure if Krasic plays well or not”??? He’s been absolutely terrible since January. Conte gave him chances aplenty during the month of September, but he just wasn’t doing what the coach asked of him. Eventually, he can’t be surprised to have lost his place.
As for Elia, he played in two matches so far. The first he was very poor, and was substituted at half-time. The second one (Coppa Italia vs. Bologna), he’s lucky the game went to extra time because until the 90th minute his contribution had been zero. Then somehow he “woke up” with a few good plays, and even gave the assist to Marchisio’s winner.
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I really wish ZM could ban you from doing this sh*t, it’s piss irritating
Yeah any chance you could stop this? Sometimes the links are relevant but this is just spam. Thanks.
I wish mate, I really do…
Good review, as always.
I was rather suprised that noone wanted to go for those 3 points, so Milan is the laughing 3rd.
But thats probably the Italian way ^^
As I wrote on the Juventus Offside blog before reading this excellent match report:
“I initially defended Pepe playing as SecondaPunta on the grounds that he would stretch the play, draw one of Udi’s CB out of position through diagonal runs from center to wing (or vice-versa), and create a wing overload on the right with Licht. However, he was mainly just playing centrally as a Secon.Punta, which brings me to wonder why not just play ADP/Quags who are obviously MUCH better at playing off a main striker/Prima Punta?”
I woulda preferred Simone “Speedy” Pepe creating a wing overload on our right though(due to his better understanding with Lichtsteiner)
Additionally, what do you (ZM) think of Conte’s (reactive) tactics against Napoli and Udinese so far? Is his reactive-ness effective/good or not? Were these tactical decisions against the 2 aforementioned teams necessary or not? Do you agree with them or not?
Tactical flexibility, both during a game (by having a Plan B) and in preparation for one/pre-game (like Ferguson does here http://www.zonalmarking.net/2009/11/08/chelsea-1-0-man-utd-the-positive-result-could-hide-chelseas-problems/ is one of the key things to success for a coach, but is Conte being TOO reactive with his tactics in these two games?
I don’t think he’s being too reactive in general, though despite the logical reasons for going three at the back here, it’s arguable that in mentality terms, he’d be better of with his first choice shape
I guess you enjoyed this game more than the previous you did a match report about, since you love close games. Do you think this was a ‘good advertising for Italian football’?
Just take this the way it is, tongue-in-cheek! We know this is the way to succeed.
“I guess you enjoyed this game more than the previous you did a match report about”
Really?! “long periods of the second half were actually quite dull”, “not a great deal happened in this game”
this is irrelevant from the topic but zonalmarking can you do an article on Liverpool – they’ve conceded the least goals in the premier league yet they stand 6th, obviously due to them not scoring but what are the main issues with this team which seems to just neutralize every opponent?
response to everyone except me…
I dont think Conte is being overly reactive about his formations. He’s keeping a steady 4-1-4-1 against most teams while adapting to teams he knows the team will struggle against through counters (Napoli, Udinese). Juve aernt very strong at the front yet,so once we get some better options up front, I think ever with these tactical changes we should be able to snatch a win.
ZM Why does guidolini never play Asamoah behind the striker?. I think this is his best position as he is skillful enough to go past players as well as play killer balls.
I think he wants that energy in the centre, but that’s just a guess.
I think Juventus are a good side, and could win the league this season, but they werent good enough in this match.
In defense i actually think they were pretty similar to normal. Chiellini usually plays a narrow LB role anyway and doesnt get forward. While Lichsteiner gets forward a lot anyway, so a WB role wasnt much different. But Chiellini didnt really have anyone to mark, he dealt with Abdi when he had to, but Abdi dropped deep onto pirlo most of the time, so Chiellini was up against no-one, which did meant he could cover his team mates, but was a bit too defensive fot his match, when Juventus had to break down Udinese. Lichsteiner had trouble up against Armero, and it was good move by Udinese, playing a direct oponenent against him occupies him well and stops him getting forward.
Estigarribia did a better job, pushing his opponent back better, but still could offer much of a threat.
Pirlo was occupied well and couldnt get a grip on the game, and this is where Udineses did really well, nullifying pirlo and Lichsteiner, Juventus’s biggest weapons this season.
Vidal was taken care of well by asamoah. But Marchisio found a lot of space getting forward, and became Juventus’s only chance of scoring, as Pinzi had a horrible game, failing to track runs and getting overrun.
Up front, Matri was up against 3 CB’s so had little chance. But Pepe was poor, as suggested he should have moved into wide positions to create space for himself and his team mates, or moved deeper to help out the midfield, but he did neither, and really just stayed in the same position where he was picked up easily. It seems he hasnt really got the fottballing brain to undertake new roles, or to adjust his position according to the game, like for example, Sanchez does wonderfully.
Overall, Juventus were too defensive, they had chiellini free at the back, but hes not the type of player to change the game, and they could have done with a another forward player higher up the pitch (Quagliarella). Lichsteiner was occupied by having a direct opponent, while pirlo was pressed on the ball, which disrupted Juventus building from the back and opening up Udinese. Marchisio did wonderfully well to get into great positions and to try and get Juventus playing, but Pepe was poor and he lacked the intelligence to play his role.
Can’t fault anything there. Estigarribia did well, I must admit I’m not a huge fan, but he had a good game.
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ZonalMarking I have a question:
Will you be doing an ‘awards’ article for 2011 like you had done in 2010? It recognized the best tactical moves, best substitutions, best performances, etc.
Probs not, just because of a lack of time.
This match was crying out for an old school Italian libero to bring the ball out from the back. Both teams were playing with wing-backs and loose midfield diamonds which meant that both sides were at times 3v1 at the back. As a consequence, the spare players for both sides were the centre-backs but unfortunately, none of the six centre-backs were comfortable bringing the ball out from the back (Chiellini in particular was dreadful). Having watched Italian football over the past ten years, I feel that the Sacchi obsession with players being multi-purpose and jack of all-trades has resulted in a severe lack of talent in areas that were once critical to the Italian game. There are no successors to ball-playing liberos such as Baresi and Scirea. The only decent regista in the Italian game is Pirlo and after Totti and Del Piero retire, where are the fantasistas? People laud Sacchi but having watched his Milan teams, he put the emphasis on hard work and athleticism over creativity and flair. If you look back at DVDs of his Milan teams, most of the games were scrappy affairs littered with offsides and the ball pinging about like a hot potato due to the intense pressing. They certainly did not play with the flair and creativity of the current Barcelona side.Due to the success that Sacchi and Milan had, Italian coaches for the past 15-20 years have looked to produce athletes and runners rather than creative players and in my opinion, this has resulted in a dearth of talent in Italian football today.
… Cassano? Montolivo? Aquilani?
Yeah completely agree tbh. Im not sure about liberos, but definitely the fantasistas are scarce. Funnily enough though, after Sacchi, and Capello, I was a huge fan of Ancelotti’s Milan. Much like Guardiola has a preference for technique over power, Ancelotti tried to accommodate all his creative players into a diamond like Rui Costa, Pirlo etc.
They even caried on this legacy with Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, tried to fish for Cesc, and now have none. Was the sheer wealth of midfield talent accumulated by Carlo, a backlash to Sacchi? Not only did he have technical and Brazilians, but also old players; going against the principles of athletes. OK not all of these players were Italian, but Milan’s dominance in 2002-2007 should of inspired some kids to play ‘another way’.
It`s an absolute myth that Sacchi was a great creative coach who revolutionised football. He basically played a rigid 4-4-2 with the emphasis on intense pressing and work rate that was a deluxe version of the type of football that a team such as Howard Kendall`s Everton played in the mid 1980s. Sacchi ostracised the creative individual and long term, he has done more harm than good for Italian football.
Ancelotti and the way he changed as a coach is a very interesting subject. In his early days he was a Sacchi disciple and at a Parma he was so obsessed with work rate, functionality and playing a rigid 4-4-2 that Zola was forced out of the club and Italian football. However, by the time he became the Milan coach he had totally changed his style of coaching. At times he played with as many as four creative playmakers in Pirlo, Seedorf, Rui Costa and Kaka in the same team. He was also primarily responsible for the re-invention of the deep-lying playmaker by playing Pirlo just in front of the back four at a time when virtually every other major European team was populating that area of the pitch with hard working ball winners. I cannot think of another top level football coach who so completely changed his philosophy on football.
Can’t comment on Sacchi really – never saw his teams play. But I grew up watching the Milan side of Carlo. The 2-0 v UTD was probably the most complete and accomplished performance I ve seen in Europe.
About Ancelotti’s outlook I would guess he not so much transformed but adapted (initially at least) his approach. We know from Chelsea that Ancelotti’s is comfortable in his role as Coach- he likes to model the resources he’s given. At Milan the player recruitment is done by another tier- galliani. So is it not possible that Ancelotti’s simply converted the resources he had? Through time he probably changed his philosophy. However his patched up job at Chelsea, smells of a coach who still is uncertain. He not once probed for any players which resembled anything like his Milan team. He could of got Pirlo if he negotiated with CFC surely.
Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to see the game. Sound like it was rubbish, though…
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amazing and a great one
great and lovely post
When is Juve going to unleash Eljero Elia?
Don’t be surprised if Qags replaces Matri in the near future.
Finally those people say Conte switches too much no nothing about sports, he is a coach, they are supposed to change game plans. Juve are undefeated, Conte is doing great and will continue making adjustments when needed.