Liverpool 1-1 Manchester United: little technical quality in open play, goals from set-pieces

The first half line-ups
A poor first half was followed with a more positive second, but neither side stamped their authority on the game.
Kenny Dalglish went with the expected side – Steven Gerrard returned to play just behind Luis Suarez, with Dirk Kuyt in the side on the right.
Sir Alex Ferguson’s line-up was far from expected – he used Phil Jones in midfield, with Wayne Rooney, Javier Hernandez and Nani all on the bench.
Liverpool probably had the better of the game – 15 shots (to United’s 11), five on target (to United’s two) and more clear-cut chances. The overall tactical battle was uninteresting, however – static, pedestrian and cautious for the majority of the 90 minutes.
Formations
A high-tempo start resulted in many passes going astray. Liverpool’s pass completion ratio in the first ten minutes was was 68%, compared to 75% in the rest of the game, whilst United’s was 64% early on, and 73% thereafter.
Formations and positioning had much to do with the lack of creativity from both sides. The central midfield battle saw obvious individual clashes – Lucas Leiva was close to Ryan Giggs, Charlie Adam was closed down by Phil Jones, and after a spell of freedom early on, Darren Fletcher was marshalled by Steven Gerrard from around the 15 minute mark. Giggs probably had the most space of any of the midfielders, since Lucas was keen to occupy a space in front of the defence rather than track his man across the pitch, but Giggs’ impact upon the game was negligible.
The interesting early feature concerned Gerrard and Kuyt. The Dutchman would drift inside into the centre of the pitch, and then Gerrard would drift wider to the right (see below) meaning Darren Fletcher and Patrice Evra had to pass players on rather than follow them and get dragged out of position. This combination aside, there was little movement to develop passing angles or get players into space, and the first half was static.
Jones
One feature of the line-ups that did provide interest – in theory rather than in the game – was the use of Jones in midfield. He was expected to be used as the holding role in front of the back four, but instead played higher up to the right, told to stick tight to Adam. It was slightly surprising that he and Fletcher played this way around – if you want someone to do a job on Adam, you’d expect the energy of Fletcher to be more appropriate than the physicality of Jones, who looked uncomfortable positionally and prevented United’s attacks from flowing forward. At least Fletcher had some time on the ball in deeper positions when Gerrard moved to the right, and played some decent forward passes. Jones’ role was similar to Pepe’s against Barcelona at points in the Clasico series last year – a nominal centre-back fielded high up the pitch.
The battles on the flanks rarely looked like contributing to a goal. Park Ji-Sung was tracking Jose Enrique rather than looking to take him on, Martin Kelly remained defensive and in position against Ashley Young, Stewart Downing couldn’t outpace Chris Smalling, and Kuyt was coming inside. Downing sometimes drifted to the right, but Liverpool became lopsided and too compressed into one zone.
The strikers had to fend for themselves. Danny Welbeck’s movement and link-up play was good, but no-one ever ran in behind him. Luis Suarez was a handful and stereotypically won lots of free-kicks (five, from Liverpool’s 12 won overall) but could never quite beat both United centre-backs on his own.
Second half
The second half continued in similar fashion, although the game was less frantic and passing was crisper – this contributed to a more enjoyable game, and more goalscoring chances.
Tactically, the first change was Dalglish removing Lucas and bringing on Jordan Henderson, who played the Gerrard role with Gerrard dropping deeper alongside Adam. Gerrard-Adam is not an ideal central midfield partnership – it lacks structure with both players naturally moving forward and leaving space between the lines – but against Giggs and Jones it was hardly like to be an issue. It did seem to invite the introduction of Rooney to play in the number ten role, however.
By the time Rooney arrived, United were 1-0 down after Gerrard’s free-kick, and it seemed that Ferguson had left it too late to exploit Liverpool’s weakness behind their midfield. At 1-0 up, the home side could play a defensive-minded game and leave Suarez to cause problems on the break.
In truth, there didn’t seem to be much invention or imagination in the way Ferguson got United back into the game, it simply involved bringing on the three obvious attacking options – Rooney, Hernandez and Nani – with Park, Young and Jones off. United went to 4-2-3-1ish, or maybe 4-2-1-3ish, since Rooney was very deep in midfield and Welbeck and Nani were high up on the wings. Sheer weight of attacking numbers pushed United forward, but they created little and like Liverpool, relied on a set-piece for their equaliser.
Liverpool didn’t attempt a shot between the two goals, but then stormed forward again and took advantage of the lack of structure in United’s midfield. Henderson, their only substitute, was the brightest player and got himself into good positions, but maybe Andy Carroll could have come on to provide an aerial option for their late corners.
Conclusion
This game lacked a creator. There were functional midfielders and those trying to direct the game from deep, but no-one to provide a threaded through ball. The players in that zone were all too occupied with nullifying their opponents rather than creating; when Henderson came on, the question about his role was not ‘Which position will he play in?’ but ‘Which opponent will he track?’
It wasn’t an attractive game, nor a fascinating tactical battle.
Liverpool 1-1 Manchester United: little technical quality in open play, goals from set-pieces





Gerrard scored for Liverpool, Adam only won the free kick.
*hits self*
Cheers
arguably the most interesting thing is to discuss about the game is, can Suarez’s offside dancing in front of De Gea be deemed as active and therefore Gerrard’s goal be nullified?
Laws of the game
Page 107:
Not offside offence
An attacker in an offside position (A) is not obstructing the goalkeeper’s line of vision or making a gesture or movement which deceives or distracts him.
It’s a subjective decision always. At what point are you trying to get into a good position rather than distracting the keeper.
it’s not a coincidence that the offside rule is explained with some pictures.
havn’t seen this scene, but when I was not sure about a decision in the past the pictures did a good job. the ref are urged to decide in favour of the attacker (if I’m not wrong).
when it comes to offside, pointing to the laws of the game is never a failure.
It was surprising that Kuyt didn’t manage to get closer to Suarez, because it did look like the plan was for Gerrard to pull wide when Liverpool had the ball. Both forwards were very isolated, and no individual midfielder was able to win his midfield battle enough to break the deadlock.
i think it should be Gerrard’s free kick rather than Adam’s free kick
I really was hoping for an honest 4-4-2 from both managers, but both started off with 4-5-1s and sicked Kuyt/Park (hardworking midfielders) on attacking fullbacks. Near the end, I couldn’t agree more that SAF just tossed on strikers and hoped forward body + forward body + forward body = goal. And it did. I thought a draw was a fair result, even if Liverpool did carve out a few more chances.
I was most curious about the increase in chances to Lfc after the 3 united subs. Were the attributed to the scoreline and thus lfc where pushing for a winner (and if so where was united’s counter since there had to be space available with that many bodies forward) or did SAF gamble that he could lose defensive containment by withdrawing his workhorses (it can and should be argued that park, jones, and to some extent young provide much more defensive cover than nani and Rooney) and still get the draw/win. I think SAF made a conscious tactical decision to leave Rooney and nani out more for defense and going for a draw than for whatever bs “mental” reason.
As an LFC supporter I was disappointed in not seeing Carrol and Bellamy but for personal enjoyment and not tactical. Maybe Carrol buries one of the crosses, maybe not. Maybe Bellamy riles Rio/Evra up enough for a Arvid yellow, maybe not. I just couldn’t tell you who should have been taken off without completely changing the formation and giving United more space to exploit.
The Lucas/Henderson sub was very smart (Lucas showed quite a bit of international jet lag) and I was very pleased to see that Henderson integrated himself into his role quickly and showed no signs of displeasure at being dropped for the past few games.
How do you justify leaving out Rooney for tactical reasons? He’s one of the 5 best players in the Premiership and the fulcrum on which ManU’s attack turns. That’d be crazy of SAF.
Not sure if 100% tactical, but maybe Ferguson didn’t want to risk it. You know, Rooney rarely scores in these games, and he probably’s got some mental issues right now. Did you see how many times United people get close to him to hold him and tell him something right to his ear?
These matches usually get someone red-carded and, lately, it’s been United players.
“He’s one of the 5 best players in the Premiership”: there were times not so long ago that he wasn’t one of the best five at ManU.
“it was hardly like to be an issue”
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One wonders what Alex ferguson was thinking with the side selection. It was a bit of a move/countermove from both managers before the match, perhaps a little chess game in the grand game of the season.
From Ferguson’s perspective, this is probably just one match. If he throws out his full A squad and loses he runs the risk of creating doubt in the squad. You cannot create the kernels of self doubt his early in the season. On the other hand, a loss would be a distinct negative, so your squad needs to be strong enough to get a draw, however, the benefits from an A squad win are far outweighed by the negatives of an A squad loss. In addition to psychological and squad limitations, you also have people coming off international play and important cup play coming up. In many ways, the squad he played today was risk averse- designed to grind out a draw, a draw excusable by playing a weakened side away from home. His squad retains it’s full confidence (and confidence is hugely important to maintaining the highest level of play), and they come away with a point. We’ll see a far different squad at Old Trafford in the second half of the season, I’d wager.
Dalglish, however, would prefer the win at home, thus a very close to top strength squad. With no European play and being a couple points off the chase, they would want at least a win. The draw is satisfactory mind you, but you think they kind of have to be disappointed with it.
It’s interesting as a student of organizational behavior to see a salient cognitive process (trading short term material loss for a long term confidence and hopeful performance boost) potentially come into play with tactical decisions. Mourinho’s actually admitted to doing this- whether or not he’s read the literature is anybody’s guess though.
Brilliant input, nice post.
Fascinating post, really enjoyed reading it Joe.
Could you give some links to this literature of which you speak?
A good primer is R. Singer, H. A., Hausenblas, & C. M. Janelle (Eds.) (2001), Handbook of research on sport psychology, (2nd ed., pp. 290-318). New York: Wiley, particularly the chapter where they talk about the colinearty of confidence and performance.
The effect where people excuse a loss where “they could have performed better but chose not to” being less than the negative effects of “falling short when they tried their hardest” is part of prospect theory, license theory, and behavioral economics (Tversky and Kahnemann is a great point to start on this- look at Expected Utility). Your expected utility changes based on the licenses your squad choice provides you with (license theory- anything by George Loewenstein at Carnegie Mellon). You feel “licensed” to lose a match if you don’t play your best squad, and if you lose your negative cognitive impact isn’t as bad as if you played your less good side. Due to false feedback work, we know that people who feel they should win (as ManU’s A squad should) and don’t win lose far more confidence and perform far worse in subsequent tasks than teams that feel lucky with a win (ManU’s B squad at Anfield) who lose and then perform subsequent tasks (slight confidence loss, retain performance level).
Think of it like a game theory equation where your choices are 1. play A squad or 2. Play the B squad. Your potential outcomes of pure utility are W/D/L, however your expected utility changes when you play your A or B squad, particularly when you realize that the outcomes are not evenly distributed (L’s are twice as likely to happen away from home, for instance) Here’s the hypothesis, given what we know of licensing, confidence, and performance, assuming Liverpool plays their top squad at home because of necessity:
Result 1W (squad A wins against their Squad A) produces full points with minimal cognitive benefit
Result 1D produces 1 point with minimal cognitive loss (your Squad A is supposed to be better, right?)
Result 1L produces no points with a severe cognitive loss of confidence (you were supposed to win even if the distribution of past results is against you- like Liverpool’s record at home)
Result 2W (Squad B wins against their squad A) produces full points with a potentially huge cognitive boost to your team- your B team is better than the third or fourth place A team.
Result 2D produces one point (Squad B draws A) (this is what happened) I suspect this is confidence neutral but work done on this suggests the B players’ confidence is boosted
Result 2L- no points, and a slight loss of confidence, but you still feel, due to licensing effects, that you are better than they are
Even if the outcomes are evenly distributed, given the colinearty of confidence and performance, one should pick the outcome that allows for licensing effects and a decreased negative impact on confidence. However, we know for a fact that even the worst premier league teams gain most of their points at home, and that the match events are not independent. If you are a measuredly superior side in competition with a side who might challenge you for points, it might be better to save a good squad for matches that are truly important rather than risk their future performance in early, less important matches. Naturally, the more matches you play, the less important their true utility and the more important their impact on subsequent events. I still think that the Premier league season is short enough to where a single match contains enough value to where you can’t just give one up for a cognitive benefit.
You know, Sam Allardyce used to say a lot of this while his own fans were chanting “You don’t know what you’re doin!”. You can mention Mourinho instead if you prefer, though.
for sure, it’s a logical decission from fergie given recent hard loses he’d defenitely thought “i need not to lose this one”, and i agree lpool came out from this as a losers to me for sure they squandered a lead playing with full strenght team against weakened united, it’s just unbelievable how deluded lpool fans is and their nasty (very unobjective generally talking complete lies “gerrard spotted a gap in the wall” friends in the media) talking about thgis game as a lpool win, after all then top teams play the point gained away is win sometimes (more often)
What a dull game. Yawn.
I thought the only interesting thing was the impressive performance from Smalling. All the headlines are for Jones, but Smalling looks like the better player to me. Jones seems immobile in comparison. Midfielder, he is not.
Welbeck has great potential. I like his style of play, and he looks quick and strong. Future England striker!
Liverpool – I think liverpools CB’s struggled today with welbeck and if there had been more midfield runs, then man u really could have tested this out. Lucas did a good job on giggs i thought, and kept his passing simple and effective, but adam looked poor I thought. His passing was sloppy, and he was subdued by a CB playing in midfield. He also left lots of space in behind and didnt help lucas enough, if he had come deep more, he could have controlled possession with lucas more, its not jones was gonna be that effective coming forward. I just dont think he that footballing brain, to really win on the big stage, okay rant over ha.
I thought the rest of the team actually played well, gerrard created when he could, kuyt got into good positions, downing pushed back smalling, and suarez was there best player.
Man U – There defense was very good, it kept out a strong liverpool attack. The midfield was all wrong today tho, the biggest decision wrong was fletcher as the holding midfielder. He hasnt got the passing skills to set the tempo of the game and create chances from deep. This was maybe more of a game for carrick, who could have helped Man U control the game. Jones actually did his role well, pressing adams. But his passing was sloppy high up the pitch, and this wasnt the game to test him there really (mourinho would allways test a new strategy in a easier game, to get the player ready). Giggs was just out of form today, his passes didnt come off, and he lacked support. The wide players were also too deep, they needed to be supporting welbeck more, but park seemed more preoccupied by enrique, and young stayed too wide.
Overall, liverpool just didnt keep possession well enough (mainly adams fault) and wasted there chances when on top. Man United were too defensive with their wingers and got their central midfield all wrong (jones was new to his role, fletcher isnt a holding midfielder).
From Gerrard’s passing diagram, it’s interesting to see how deep he played, seemingly making the formation more of a 4-3-3 than a 4-2-3-1 (playing very little as a Ozil/Sneijder type of number 10, and very dissimilar from the Torres-Gerrard combo of back in the days)
Reminds me of the ball-retention focused number 10 role that Xavi played in the WC2010 http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/17/spain-0-1-switzerland-tactics/
Definitely agree- I remember a few instances where in defense, Liverpool formed a bank of four (def) and a bank of five (mid), as opposed to two banks of four with the #10 remaining up the pitch. When lining up as such I assumed Gerrard’s defensive responsibility was to play level with Adam, with Lucas sitting in front of the defense in between them.
Yeah you’re spot on with that. It’s interesting to see Gerrard playing deeper nowadays than when he was a classic number 10 back in the days. I wonder why though??
For United, this Liverpool away game feel like mandate flu shot match. Liverpool extremely worked hard three consecutive years so far and won with comfortable scoreline. Ferguson must felt his team need to match work-rate of Liverpool for this game.
Result wise, United get what they want but problem is that united side have tendency to struggle with hard working ream like Barcelona. United couldn’t keep the ball or create chances when opposition pressing is good. Good CM can solve most of these problem I think.
terrible game. players ran more than the ball. Evans out of position/depth in midfield, Adam not bad at all, Jose Enrique soon to be called up…otherwise, terrible game
*jones
correct
Man of the match: Suarez/enrique, De Gea/Welbeck
Biggest Culprits: Adam/skrtel, Park/Giggs
Check out De Gea’s chalkboard yesterday, 11 passes completed out of 35: http://i55.tinypic.com/1zox9ht.png
Just looks dreadful.
I would attribute that to a lack of targets in the Liverpool half. It felt very close to long-ball football where DDG was trying to hit Welbeck, who was well marshaled by the Liverpool CBs, too often for my liking. Usually he has options wide (Young & Nani) and center (Welbeck & Rooney), which he didn’t yesterday and hence turns a lot of possession over.
Dreadful tactics from Fergie. Dullest game I’ve watched in months. Even the Stoke draw was better.
A seriously dour game, and impressive that ZM was able to get anything out of it at all! I know its already been said, but Fergie’s line-up really was quite perplexing, especially as United’s opponents midweek are hardly menacing.
Hopefully Sunday’s Manchester derby will be better!
Surely United’s tactics were to keep it tight and goalless for 60 mins and then get the attacking forces (Rooney & Nani) on for the last 30 mins and have a proper go against tired legs. You could see that they were ready to make those changes just before Gerrard’s freekick on the hour mark. On the whole an understandable tactic considering United’s last 3 visits to Anfield and the mid-week Champions league must-win game. Almost worked too if it wasn’t for Giggs’ (what did he think he was doing?) mistake. DDG had a superb game and should take confidence from it.
Does anyone know what transpired during the kick-off? Evra wasn’t happy about something …
Agree, Liverpool usually struggle against defensive set up too. However United attacking was not fluent enough. Think John played uncomfortable position and half fit Fletcher are not help to attacking.
great report as usual. i’ll have my usual 2 penneth about keepers. De Gea was excellent and kept man u in the game. his overall goals against/saves ratio is now 6/36 = 0.16. impressive. Reina only made 1 save. can’t blame him on the goal. but what a hash of the ashley young free kick bouncing off him. his saves ratio now is 9/19= 0.47 ie. on the poor side of “average”.
another over-rated keeper that is really annoying me at the mo is Szczesny. his g.a/saves ratio is 17/23 = 0.74. skewed by the 8 goals at man u but how many were his fault… probably at least 3. look at the error on the kyle walker goal. & at blackburn when they let 4 in, he made 2..yes 2 saves !! no blame y/day, but just bear it in mind. judge y/self ..don’t beleive the media hype . he might become a great keeper but he’s very inconsistent for now. he’s being talked aobut as if he’s one of the top 5 keepers in the world already. rubbish !!
just to prove you don’t have to play in front of a good defence to have a great/good ratio.
Ruddy of norwich who have’n t even had a clean sheet yet has a ratio of 8/24= 0.33 pretty decent. and Vorm of swansea 12/32= 0.375 . not necessarily great keepers but certainly proves decent form. and as the season progresses, the stats will be even more meaningful.
Simon, those are great stats and an interesting perspective. I have a question though. How would you factor in the way a team plays into all of this? For example United have been very open this season, as has been covered here already, than most previous ones. Surely that contributed a lot to De Gea’s 36 saves. What happens when United eventually tighten up and reduce their opponents shots on goal count, giving De Gea lesser shots to save?
Also, how about the knock on effect of him having to concentrate more between periods of relative inactivity to save the 1 or 2 shots that he will get on goal then. As opposed to having 8-10 shots per game now and being more involved and in-the-game?
thanks. i’m glad you’re prepared to consider them. some ppl just see g/k stats and freak out.. when they are perfectly happy to judge strikers on goals per min, goals per game & obviously there are minor flaws with those too, like ppl playing for big teams who get tons of chances etc.
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/11/04/milan-2-2-real-madrid-tactics/
last yr, i quoted De Gea’s stats at Ath Madrid as 0.21. way better than an underpeforming casillas ( 0.41), and playing behind a much more leaky defence.my comments at the time address many of your points.
true the comparisons should be even more fair if you compare like with like, big teams keepers with other big teams, & attacking ones etc. if you have less shots to save, hopefully you concede less too, so the ratio deals with that aspect.
chelsea struggling to keep clean sheets at the min. not heard Cech blamed for it.
his ga/saves ratio is 7/8= 0.875 dreadful. he’s only faced 15 shots obviously, so by just adding the 2 figures up you know how busy/worked that keeper has been etc. at the other extreme. Jussi of Bolton has had plenty to do. a ratio of 17/24 = 0.71 spot the gaff in his last game vs Wigan.
Thanks for the reply. On your “hopefully you’ll concede less” point, I beg to differ. In my opinion there are 2 classes of GKs, ones which prefer being the center of the action and are better for it making one save after another. And a rare other which are able to keep their concentration levels up in spite of inactivity, and are able to make that one save even if that’s the only thing they do all game. The 1st class deals with talent and technique while the 2nd is more on the mental side of the person.
I’ve frequently seen GKs for the 1st kind struggle to make it at a bigger club when asked to play the 2nd role ( Tim Howard is a good example). I don’t know how that would be represented in your ratio. But I acknowledge that there aren’t really many stats for GK and this could be an interesting one to look at over a period of time, albeit with additional ones to supplement some of the above scenarios. Great discussion!
Tim Howard was a weird one. he started well at O.T and was getting the media comments like..finally found a replacement to Schmeichel etc. but when he made a big clanger, he couldn’t couldn’t react well to it. he let it get to him. Roy carrol who was dreadful ( ppl talk about the mendes incident but few talk about the horrendous gaff he made with the initial catch ! ) he actually reacted well to gaffs ( he should do , he made enough of them !) . not only failing to make it at man u, but dropping thru the lge’s etc. maybe personal issues, i don’t know.
below is a good link to some g/k stats. saves having to crunch your own !. saves % is the main interesting one. kind of the reverse ratio to the one i calculate, but it ranks them in the same order as my result. de gea at top, “sir chesny” & cech down the bottom.
http://sports.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/epl/player_leaders.asp?category=107
I looked at your other thread post and chuckled at the comments you received. I agree, GK statistics have a long way to go. Cheers!
Cracking analysis, only lacking criticisim of Ferguson for making so many tactical blunders. Only picking up a point in this game could prove costly for United by the end of the season. Liverpool have only picked up clean sheets against teams that have had a player sent off this season – Carragher is error prone now, Skrtel inconsistent and the midfield is defensively poor other than Lucas so United’s approach to this game was a mistake, allowing Liverpool to play to their strengths.
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