Ferguson’s flexible front four hints at a return to the fluidity of 2008

Manchester United's starting line-up in the Community Shield win over Manchester City
Community Shield matches can often be rather mundane – this year’s was a cracker, with Manchester United coming back from 2-0 down at half time to defeat Manchester City 3-2.
With a raft of changes at half time, it would be easy to say that it was a genius transformation by Sir Alex Ferguson at half time. In truth, United were the more positive and creative side for the majority of the game, and even at half time, they would have been pleased with the performance, if not the result.
This fixture often sees exciting new signings making their debut – but, perhaps surprisingly, all of City’s XI were at the club last season, and Roberto Mancini played a similar shape to in 2010/11. United, on the other hand, appeared a completely different side from the one which lost to Barcelona on the same ground nine weeks earlier. They had a new goalkeeper – the talking point at half time – but their fluid front four were the main attraction.
In the fallout from the defeat to Barcelona, many were quick to point out the obvious differences between the sides, and suggest how United could use the transfer window to become more like Barcelona. There are elements of truth in that analysis – United must retain the ball better, for example, but if they attempt to copy Barcelona, they’ll never catch them up. Barcelona can draw upon the world’s best three players and a side that has been nurtured for years through their academy. If they are to be stopped, it is more likely that it will be a side outwitting them with a strategy of their own, rather than an imitation of their system. You probably can’t out-Barca Barca.
United have their own identity, and would be better off looking back to their previous European Cup victory in 2008, and the side of a year later, which competed well with Barcelona for the majority of the final (by the end it was a clear Barcelona victory, but nothing like the thrashing they dealt out this year). The main main feature of that side was flexibility and fluidity. Ferguson used Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez almost interchangeably.
That changed with the departure of Ronaldo and Tevez, and whilst their replacements – Antonio Valencia, Michael Owen, Javier Hernandez and Dimitar Berbatov (even if there was a crossover between Berbatov and Ronaldo/Tevez) – are all excellent players, they lack the versatility of their predecessors, and therefore United have been more boxy and slightly more predictable in the last couple of years. When they failed to win the league in 2009/10, ZM believed it was primarily due to a lack of attacking variation.
The signing of Ashley Young is significant, because he is able to play on either flank – or even behind a main striker, the position where his ex-manager Gerard Houllier believed he was at his best. In addition, Danny Welbeck is also capable of playing on the left, the right or the centre, something fellow loan returnee Tom Cleverley would also feel able to do, even if he is a very different type of player. The excellent – and decisive – performance of Nani was also good for United. Valencia’s astonishing return from injury last season pushed Nani out of the side, despite the fact the Portuguese winger had been excellent for the majority of the campaign - so good that he was voted United’s best player by his teammates.
Therefore, whilst the United 4-4-1-1 in the ‘big games’ towards the end of last season was set in stone in terms of selection – it was, well, set in stone in terms of positioning. Valencia was superb in some games – against Chelsea at home, for example – but when he played poorly, like in the Champions League final, he made United seem compartmentalised rather than cohesive.

The movement of United's front four
It was interesting to see, then, that Ferguson chose to use a 4-4-2ish system with much more flexibility. Young and Nani can both play either side – Young started on the left, Nani on the right – but both came inside quickly and linked up with the front players. The key was the positioning and movement of the front two. Neither stayed high up the pitch against the Manchester City centre-backs – Welbeck came deep, primarily to pick up Nigel de Jong, whilst Rooney played something of a false nine role. Therefore, United were roughly 4-4-2, and yet had no true strikers – instead, Rooney and Welbeck linked seamlessly with Nani and Young, whilst Vincent Kompany and Joleon Lescott struggled to cut out their passing. When those been drawn up the pitch, any of United’s front four could make runs in behind.
Granted, United only scored after the break, and it was after Cleverley had replaced Carrick. That only added to the clever movement in the attacking positions, though. Five United players were looking to move into a position between the lines, trying to find space in dangerous areas. The superb second goal was the most obvious result – it’s difficult to imagine United scoring a similar goal with the 4-4-1-1 from late last season – the side had a completely different feel.
It’s already been called a “Barcelona goal” across twitter, but that’s a slightly lazy comparison. It wasn’t overly Barcelonaesque. It was probably more similar to the type of goal Arsenal used to score in the mid 2000s – take Patrick Vieira’s against Liverpool, for example. That Arsenal side also used to play, effectively, a 4-4-2 with no set striker, and two wingers coming inside – and in addition to United’s own side of a couple of years later, is a better reference point.
The goal might mark the start of a new era in United’s attacking play. Talk of a new era might seem silly – there’s hardly been a revolution since May in terms of the playing squad. There have been subtle changes within an existing framework, however – and that sums up what United will try and do on the pitch, too. With versatile players and more fluidity, there are simply more attacking possibilities.
Ferguson’s flexible front four hints at a return to the fluidity of 2008




Someone will probably get angry at why there’s no discussion of Manchester City. So, here goes:
a) This is, after all, a glorified pre-season friendly. A full-scale analysis would be a bit OTT (ZM has never covered the Comm shield before!)
b) Mancini used players we know from last season, and pretty much the same tactics too. There’s nothing too much to talk about from that point of view.
c) In general – http://www.zonalmarking.net/feedback/ – ZM readers want to see less of the formulaic analysis and more slightly general pieces (with obvious reference to the game(s)). This will probably be more of a feature of this season on the site – there will still be the usual analysis, but limited to ‘big games’ or games where the tactical battle was particularly noteworthy!
Of course if it proves massively unpopular then we’ll revert back, but hopefully this style will be equally (or more) enjoyable!
Cheers
ZM
Ferguson has changed many formations during the long period of the time, from typical 4 4 2 with Beckham, Giggs, Keane and Scholes, to Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez – 4 5 1/ 4 3 3.
He simply knows this game perfect. He understands modern football, and it’s needs.
This could be one exciting Manchester United this season, very fluid, very quick on counter and much more dangerous than Manchester from last season.
And one more thing, he now have alternate formation to play against some teams.
4 4 2 with valencia and berbatov against some teams, and this 4 4 2 fluid against others.
Everybody will get their minutes, and they could have a tremendous season.
beg to differ. how long did it take him to realise his 4-4-2 doesn’t work in Europe? teams with 3 midfielders used to give United a very difficult time. tactically, SAF has yet to establish himself as a mastermind…honest & modest opinion of mine. game vs Barcelona in last season’s UCL, perfect example. still an ace in my book
Probably OTT to analyze Man City at all, but still…they put Milner, Toure, de Jong and Gareth Barry on the field at the same time at one point. What was the point of all those mega millions again?
You can really tell Ferguson wants success in Europe once more before he retires. Wembley left a bad taste in his mouth and I guarantee he’s worked on fixing that failure since the final whistle of that game. Young was an interesting signing and I think he’ll work wonderfully if he can play the “central” winger role he’s teased at when playing with England. I doubt SAF will face too much hinderance winning another BPL title as the league struggles against variability but winning in Europe will be difficult. Maybe this system can’t beat Barca but it’s better than playing an unimaginative and predictable system like they did in the Final.
Just like he said he learnt his lesson from 2009,then in 2011 he plays 4 4 2 agaisnt Barca.
Tactical genius lol.
He played 4-4-1-1 against Barca. Dick.
It was more of a 4-2-2-1-1. Knob.
I’m definitely more a fan of the match reports.
General reports are my preference. Game reports become far too limited in scope and redundant.
Hey if you’re going to respond to feedback so readily, how about heeding some of those calls for articles on Mila Kunis, which for some reason seemed to gain a strange amount of traction over on the feedback thread?
So why is this a 4-4-2 and not a 4-6-0 variant ?!
I like the general pieces bit. I’d like to read about trends and general tactics more than traditional match reports.
Keep it up.
All this just adds to the incredulity of the United team of last year. What on earth did he expect to achieve playing 4-4-2? Seemed like everyone knew what the outcome of the CL final would be months in advance – except Fergie.
That’s really misinterpreting the past. Actually, most people were demanding the standard 4-4-1-1 prior to the Champions League Final. Take a look at the comments section of the review of the 2009 final and the preview for the 2011 final. Few supported dropping Hernandez, and almost everybody thought Valencia should start at right wing (though some argued for Nani over Park on the left). I argued for a 4-5-1 with Rooney up top and Nani on the right, but I was substantially in the minority. Ferguson played the shape most people supported, and United got crushed.
People misinterpreted the 2009 final as well. That was a fairly close game (Barca had just 51% possession at half time, as opposed to nearly 70% in 2011). Barca and United had similar shot numbers that year, though Barca’s chances were better and Barcelona were just more clinical. Everybody talked after the game like it was a demolition, but it really wasn’t, not like the final at Wembley (which easily could have been 5 or 6 nil)
Agreed that it’s misinterpreting the past. Also need to add in a key reason people were suggesting Valencia over Nani: Valencia’s much greater ability/awareness/willingness to track back to support the defense. Hence Park and Valencia.
I don’t think any analyst giving more than two seconds of thought to one of Barca’s most feared threats (Alvez running riot down the right side while Pedro and Villa drawing Evra into the middle) seriously recommended Nani over Park on the left. Those who thought “Nani could occupy Alvez and pin him back” failed to grasp that you don’t really pin Alvez back: he’s an insane ball of energy who is going to shoot down the line anyway. He doesn’t really know any other way to play.
The other reasons people were advocating the 4-4-1-1:
* it was 5-2 ag in three wins in a month against Chelsea. Three major wins where people thought it was clicking
* Barca’s makeshift centerback line: Pique & Mascherano. Puyol is the glue of the Puyol & Pique combo. With him out, people thought that it was an area to potentially exploit on the counter with some speed, especially as Mascherano is neither the quicked player on the pitch nor a centerback.
With just Rooney up there in a 4-5-1, it seemed less likely to be an area to exploit.
Didn’t work out, and clearly ManU could have used an extra man in the midfield to pressure Barca’s possession. The five to not only apply that pressure, but also support Rooney offensively… that’s an interesting question. ManU didn’t really have a strong 4-5-1 lineup by the end of the year.
That’s probably the bottom line: ManU didn’t have a roster to compete with Barca. We can add ManU to the rest of the list: the other candidates for Second Best Side In Europe didn’t either.
Not to dwell on a game that happened over 2 months ago, but ability to track back isn’t that relevant when faced with Eric Abidal. He’s good with the ball, but much less important to Barcelona’s buildup than Alves, Pique, or Busquets. Nani would have added a goal threat from the wing, enabling Ferguson to drop Hernandez (and use the extra player to fortify the central midfield) without sacrificing the attack. However, defensive ability is of supreme importance for the right winger and the number 10 when facing Barca, because those players have to close down Alves and Busquets. Anderson would have done better than anyone else on United’s roster at closing down Busquets, and Park was the best man to track Alves.
I don’t disagree with that. You were correct in your comments on Final preview. Only rolling out what people were *thinking*, and to a degree what SAF was buying into. In the end, he was wrong as were those calling for a 4-4-1-1.
Eh? ‘Misinterpreting the past’? I don’t really give a hoot what “most people” were demanding. Anyone could see that United had taken a step back tactically last year. It was truly inexplicable and if this season is a discontinuation of those tactics then I feel this would be a complete vindication of all who shared this opinion. I’d love to her Fergie, frank and open, explain what he was trying to do. I feel the conversation would end with him saying “that was when I realised it was never going to work and went back to the drawing board” and I’d say “I could’ve saved you a year there, buddy” and then he’d say “I only wish I’d met you sooner” and then I’d say “shhhh, let’s cherish the time we have now Fergie, forget about the past”.
Surely this tactic will have to change when Hernandez is fit, right?
Hernandez should be content at what he does best: an impact sub.
I think Hernandez is as good starting as he is as a sub, his great work ethich makes him have a good impact either way.
I do see this change as maybe him playing less in Europe or in Big games.
I thought Cleverley was brilliant today. He’s going to struggle to keep a place in the team if united play 4-4-2 because he’s not defensive enough when played in the middle and there is too much competition out wide. He’s clearly a talent and this could be his breakthrough season. If he is to play centrally in a 4-4-2 who is best to partner him? I’d say Carrick would be the worst which is seriously bad news for this site and English football in general.
why is it bad news for this site?
I get the impression that Michael Carrick is somewhat of a muse for Michael Cox.
Carrick is infact a very good player and is actually very well thought of in many countries outside England. Its just he is a 4-3-3 midfielder than a 4-4-2 midfielder.
I completely agree. Carrick is ace. My MU front six would be Anderson/Fletcher, Carrick, Giggs/Cleverley and Nani, Rooney, Young (Valencia or park in for Nani or Young depending on the opposition). Hence why I believe the more first team success of Cleverley is a bad thing for English football as it will marginalise Carrick at united if there stick to 4-4-2. Carrick being marginalised at MU will only make it hard for him to get a fixed place in the england team.
My England front six would be Carrick, Wilshere, Gerrard/Lamps/Cleverley and Rooney, young, a johnson/walcott.
I think Cleverley is great but there are others like him in England. There are few in the mould of Carrick in England and without supporting the few we have there will be even less in the future. I had hoped all this was implied in my first post’s final sentence but on reflection I probably needed to add a bit more detail.
If they play agaisnt barca with this formation they will get humiliated again,they don’t even have one good DM in the whole squad.Some will say Flether but hes a CM and in all honestly a bit shit.
City would have a better chance of beating them than United.
Also I would like to point out how overated Vidic is,letting Dzeko shoot with acres of space just like Messis goal against them.Best defender in the world my arse, Samuel shits all over him,theres no way he would let anyone have a shot on goal like that.
As in Inter milan’s samuel? Not watch AC v Inter then?
Well he was out for most of last season after doing his knee in so give him some time to get back to his best.
Come back when Vidic is no longer getting raaped by Barca, and can defend against fast strikers.
Vidic can’t defend like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S2eTiUpKVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiKzYasy4oY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryKtqhH2MbQ
This is not a valid argument singling out vidic in one game against barca were the tactics clearly were not right. vidic and samuel are both very similar being there strengths are aerially, aggression, strong in the tackle and then they have the more composed positional player beside them to compliment (Ferdinand and Lucio).
Samuel in a one on one race with a striker cannot out pace them but can position himself to intercept, under mourinho he would rarely get exposed to pace as the team was set out to play deep and narrow against such teams. If your going to use examples make sure they are balanced clips not just samuel having a good tie against barca, were if we are being honest it was more mourinho organisation than the players. If samuel had played under say leanardo were the tactics were awful, he would be exposed.
Oh please not this debate again =D
Samuel has consistently been the best Inter defender for all his time at the club, under Mancini, Mourinho, and Benitez until the injury.
Was great also at Roma under Capello.
Yeah he’s not pacey, and yeah he gives his very best in a “bunker” setup, but if you ask me if he could’ve been as good as Vidic for United in the last 5 years, I’d say definitely.
Don’t let a single off season with Real make you dismiss him as a limited defender.
Then of course, now that he’s 33 and with many injuries accumulated, it’s only downhill from there.
PS: just to add to another neverending debate: it’s “Milan”, not “AC” – extra points if you spell it “Mìlan” instead of “Milàn” =)
AC is just shortand for “Football Club” (“Associazione Calcio” in italian), there are tons of italian club whose official name starts with “AC” (or “FC”, or “AS” – “Associazone Sportiva”…), and they are never referred by that.
So “AC Milan” is just “Milan”, not “AC”, just like “FC Internazionale” is “Inter”, not “FC”.
The debate was who was better, not is samuel a good player, obviously he is. Has samuel ever had a set-up that was not advantages for his skill set, roma most of the time three at the back, if he was beat someone would cover him. Inter all three managers you mentioned are very well organized with mourinho and mancini imo prioritizing defence with benitez more agressive pressing style explaining part of his failure as samuel AND the majority of the inter defence wanting to sit deep, the midfield were pressing high leaving gaps exploited.
Complete rubbish Tom,Samuel has better positioning than Lucio, Vidic and even Ferdinand.This is his main strength,Lucio is the more physical and aggressive one although Samuel can do this to.Samuel normally covers and Lucio is more likely to come out and pressure the player with the ball.
Samuel has the best positioning in Europe and although not the quickest he is not slow either,look at the clips I posted every time Messi runs at him Samuel deals with him easily,Vidic panics in these situations, when somebody fast and skillful is running at him.
Samuel also reacts quicker when a player is about to shoot and he makes the block,Vidic seems to hesitate more.
Obviously Vidic is still a world class defender but hes not the best like EPL fanboys make him out to be.
You don’t need a P.S. You’re using a computer, just go back and edit it. No need for a Post Script when you can just script…
We all knew the club to which he was referring. You pedantry takes away from the valid points you made about Samuel/Vidic.
Long live, JamesOrJim!
If you don’t agree with my views fair enough, show some class though saying ‘complete rubbish’ makes you sound like a half wit.
To say Samuel is the ‘best’ positional defender is frankly childish, i would put probably half a dozen players before Samuel, Ferdinand and Vidic in positioning alone.
The clips you posted were 10 minutes long and they did not single out Samuel individually and that should be the point Samuel did not deal with Messi on his own he had the entire team positioned to stop barca in general from playing. Compare that to man utd tactics v barca and vidic was going to struggle.
I don’t think there is any point in carrying on this ‘debate’ as you sound like, as you put it, a Samuel fan boy. No general points only Samuel is ‘best’
Actually there’s a few moments where Messi is one on one with Samuel and he looks a lot more composed and assuring than your idol Vidic does when facing good players.Samuel either gets his body between Messi and the ball or stays on his feet and tackles him.Vidic shits himself in these situations and loses balance and then commits a foul or Messi runs past him.
“To say Samuel is the ‘best’ positional defender is frankly childish”
It’s not really childish though is it? Since hes proved it for years against top class opposition,I think I would be right in saying you don’t watch much football from outside your beloved “Best league in the world” .
“I don’t think there is any point in carrying on this ‘debate’ as you sound like, as you put it, a Samuel fan boy. No general points only Samuel is ‘best’.”
Apart from when I proved how Samuel’s better in defensive positioning,faster response to danger outside the box(doesn’t let players have free shots at goal like retard Vidic),more composed and better at dealing with world class/fast strikers.
So I didn’t just say Samuel is best did I?
Liar.
Maybe Ferguson will try Phil Jones in the Pepe role at some point next season. He’s the closest thing to a tackling midfielder that United have this year.
As for Vidic, he’s an outstanding defender in the tackle or an aerial duel, but merely very good at defending space. Contrast him with Hummels, who’s very good in the tackle, but absolutely brilliant at defending space and anticipating the play.
I think Smalling would be better suited to the Pepe role as hes more athletic than Phil Jones.He would still need lots of experience of playing there before playing against Barca though.I agree about Vidic I think he would be exposed in a less physical but more technical league like La Liga.
Erm
:/
Dont have anything better to say?
Retard.
Why would they get humiliated again because of the formation or lack of DM? One great defensive player is not going to stop their one touch passing. To beat barca, they need to keep pressing as a team like they did in the first 10 minutes of the match. The formation is irrelevant. For some reason, they stopped trying to get the ball and at that moment the game was over. They gave Xavi more room than Linekar got when he shat himself.
Firstly what a great game of football,certainly the best Community Shield match i have ever seen! What really caught my eye was Uniteds tempo,now normally they play with a high tempo in attack,but i feel their tempo has increased further more,the team seemed to work harder to get the ball back. Having players such as Young,Nani,Rooney and Welbeck help ofcourse,all of them have great pace and all made great diagonal runs,or “spins” to drag the City defenders away. In an attacking sense this is such an exciting season,and based on the recent United pre-season games,i would have Welbeck starting over Hernandez,Welbeck for me has so much more to his game,and could be a real revelation this season.
Anderson was brilliant,looked really composed,confident,and put forward some great passes onto the runs of the front 4. Also Cleverley looks promising,him and Anderson actually seem very similar!
Also,Smalling,what a game he had,new O’Shea perhaps? Very versatile,and impressed at RB today,hes a real “footballer”.
This new 442 fluid system will provide some great football this season for United.
De gea had a good game,his mistake he will learn from,VDS made a similar mistake in the CL final. Also his distribution was fantastic!
If there was one disappointment today,it would be not seeing Aguero be giving atleast 20 mins.
Excellent piece. First time to this blog. Liking it already.
Qst: where does Schieder (sp) fit in all this?
Do you mean Wesley Sneijder?
Glad to hear that you try to go for a more general style of analysis, since I found them the most interesting on your site. Great article about Manchester, keep up the good work!
Does ZM think that Fergie could field such an attacking Front 4/5 against the better teams in the prem ie Chelsea? I would normally include city in that but they seemed a few yards short of match sharpness. I also didn’t understand why they stood off united so much. Do you think this was also down to fitness?
Fergie can pack a Park in if some pressing high up the field is needed. The point is they play a nominal 442 but with all front 4 interchanging throughout.
His first choice probably still would be to play Valencia on the right against Chelsa to counter Cole.
As others have pointed out, SAF has long changed formations, tactics and lineups based on (i) opponents, (ii) the fixture list, (iii) injuries and (iv) hot hand/form. He will roll out a different line up and tactics for Chelsea than he will for Arsenal, and a different lineup and tactics against Chelsea in November than he will in April… all depending on the items above.
As a ManU fan, this was a thrilling display that gets one’s hopes up for a very interesting campaign. But we shouldn’t believe we’re going to see SAF going to the well with this 50 times this season. He mixes things around far too much for that.
John
Instead of Cleverly, maybe?
For me, the introduction of Cleverley could change everything for United. He seems to have improved leaps and bounds since going out on loan to Wigan, and is just the sort of player to provide United with that much needed creative spark from midfield. He is more attack minded than Carrick, and provides a new dimension to the United forward line – one which will only enhance an already very good team.
The only place the comparison to the United of 2008 falls short is the absence of a player of the quality of Cristiano Ronaldo. Sure, the formation is similar, but the personnel filling the spaces is far inferior. Welbeck is no Tevez, and neither Young nor Nani have reached anywhere close to Ronaldo’s level. Nevertheless, these are exciting times at Old Trafford.
PS I loved the match report style analysis and would be sad to see them go.
Wholeheartedly agree!
I love the match report analysis.
Whatever the case, the more articles published (without compromising quality), the better!
Does anybody feel that City need someone in midfield who is good on the ball and can control a game?,not Silva he plays to far forward to do this.
Maybe like this
De Jong —– ?
—-Yaya
AJ/Balo —–Silva
— Aguero
Or maybe
De Jong—– Yaya
—–Silva
Mancini always puts emphasis on defence, and he likes to play with two DM.
I agree with you that City could use somebody like deep lying playmaker. (Xabi Alonso, David Pizzaro, Pirlo).
They have power in midfield, but not creativity.
This will never work against Barca. Barca would outnumber them so badly in midfield. The theory last year was that their forwards, primarily Rooney, could come back and trouble Busquets, but that never happened.
That wide open middle looks like Xavi’s wet dream.
interesting that ferguson chose a 4-4-2 against manchester city, its very unlikely that this will happen in the league. He always opts for a 4-2-3-1 sort of system against the bigger teams and that’s why in the second half, rooney came slightly deeper. cleverly, if given the opportunity could be the revelation of united’s season! good work here men..
its not all about pressing high up the pitch. I mean defending the other way aswell.
It is clear to see Mr Ferguson focus on short sharp passing between attacking players rather than diagonal long ball and crossing.
What Udt lacked for while is wide range cover midfield player. Scholes and Carrik are not mobile enough sometimes.
Welbeck is pretty interesting who can hold ball a bit and fast enough to play on shoulder of defender like Saha did.
Great piece. Man Utd were really fun to watch when Rooney/Tevez/Ronaldo combined.
How do you think Man Utd’s tactics would change if they were to sign an advanced playmaker like Sneijder? You previously mentioned how Scholes played a lot deeper in his older age, is that something they’ll miss? Apart from his experience, obviously.
I think it’s all about personnel, really. In this game the versatility of the front four certainly led to some lovely play and a fluid system, but when everybody is fit, I think that Fergie’s first choice will be a combination of Valencia/Nani/Rooney/Hernandez. Hernandez and Valencia, whilst great players, are a little more one dimensional in the roles they play, as more or less a pure poacher and winger respectively, so I don’t think there’ll be that much of a change from last season. Fergie is the master at creating the system that fits the players (or maybe the other way round?), though, and certainly these loan returnees and the addition of Young will mean a little more fluidity in some games. Hard to say whether that’s a reaction to the Barca game though, or at least in a more complex manner than that he’s attempting to improve last season’s squad. Good article nonetheless!
Unsure about the new match report style. What do you mean by “classic ZM reports” being limited to big/tactically noteworthy games? As in, how often do you think that will be? I was under the impression that “more general articles” meant in relation to tactical trends rather than reviews of matches. It could be difficult to have this sort of review frequently.
I’d like to see it more frequently than it is done atm (as was the consensus in the “feedback” section) but I’m not sure it could become the main article format, simply as I’m not sure if you can chronicle tactical trends every time there’s a game – rather than once every couple of weeks.
I look forward to seeing how it works out though and think it’s great that you’re willing to take feedback on board.
I’m with you on this. I don’t quite understand the proposed new formats. I like the standard match analysis from previous years.
Sorry for any confusion – the point is that it’ll be more flexible. If there’s a particularly interesting overall battle, I’ll write about that. If the game isn’t very interesting as a whole but there’s one area in particular that is, I’ll write about that!
If, say, Mourinho changes from 4-3-3 to 4-2-1-2-1 at half-time and turns a 2-0 into a 3-2, then it’ll be the old style. If it’s just one area I want to focus on in particular, then it’ll be a bit more of an article like above.
The basic problem with consistently doing the old style is that it’s very formulaic, and frankly gets a bit boring to write…
Thanks for clearing that up. It sounds very good.
I agree about the old style becomig a bit too formulaic – recentlyit seems like a lot more articles were just split into “first half” then “second half”, with a few basic points but not really any conclusions that could be drawn nor anything of real tactical interest. Hopefully this allows you to review matches without feeling as if you’re adhering to a template – as if you’re feeling that way, it’s almost certain that the reader feels exactly the same way.
Perfect decision!
It was clear..
you cannot analyze all the games.. Some ones have little to say in terms of tactics..
Wise, wise!
As a Juventus fan, it’s intriguing to see another style 4-4-2 in Europe. ManU is the only top team successfully playing a 4-4-2 (since it’s an outdated formation, it’s even more fascinating) and hence I’ve been watching/studying them closely (we play a 4-4-2 also, or as Conte says it a 4-2-4, though I see little difference b/w the two). I’m worried about our 4-4-2 b/c I feel it could become nullified pretty easily.
Do you see some similarities b/w this style 4-4-2 and Villareal’s style 4-4-2 (wingers coming inside, strikers have fluid movement) The only differences I see is that United are different with Smalling who is more defensive, despite his goal today^^ Though Rafeal is more attacking. Also, United’s wingers probably provide more width, despite their tendency to come inside.
Ooh and as feedback for this year (sorry can’t be bothered to open another tab to put a post on the feedback page) could you have not just have general articles about players, but also about teams. In other words, could you have more articles like this one here about various teams (doesn’t matter if they’re big teams or small teams, it’s the variation in tactics that’s important really)
Cheers!
The best way for ManU to beat Barcelona is to do it the way Mourinho did, i.e. play them before the final, get as big a win as possible at home, then park the bus at the Nou Camp and pray for a lucky result. That’s how they keep beating everyone else in the CL and EPL, because they are much stronger at Old Trafford.
fuck you nick
That was all about tactics
fuck you George
Manchester City is not a team that should be discussed extensively in terms of basic football facts, but only some commercial marketing principles.
There are many super stars in the squad, but each of them was chosen and transferred unconsiously, so that none of them can be a useful part of a football team.
Within the football perspective, many things are wrong for City..
I think the main reason of this is Mancini.
He may be a good friend for many players in the squad; but absolutely neither a wise tactician nor a sufficient squad – engineer.
As to Manchester United, I am not sure how manieth, but no matter it is the third or fourth generation of Sir Ferguson, youngers are shining so bright!!! In the second half, harmony of Phil Jones & Johnny Evans were perfect. Tom Cleverly is a very promising midfielder, especially his offensive intelligence is remarkable. Wellbeck is a very dangerous poacher, and Smalling is complete athlete with physical capabilities..
De Gea is the only rotten tooth of the team. However, he has sufficient talent and capacity to be “Van der Gea” in the near future.. The lack of experience is his only disadvantage..
After all, Manchester United has not yet solved the wing back problem. Raphael & Fabio brothers are obviously not meet the competitive standards of the team. Therefore, there is no reliable substitute for Evra in the squad.. Worse than this, there is even no experienced player in the squad whose main position is right back!!! I think, Sir should Maicon-ing the squad as soon as possible..
Hmmm i think fergie has realized his side cant rely on a great defense anymore with van de sar gone, so they might be changing to a more attacking formation, and try to outscore opponents,obviously they will still have a great defense, but not one of the best anymore, so they might rely more on there attacking strengths.
well, i highly doubt if fergie will opt for a 4-4-2 against any of the big sides in the league. these constant changes between 4-4-2 and the 4-2-3-1 can be good to avoid predictability but they could also hurt consistency. http://theirtactics.com/manchester-united%E2%80%99s-european-approach-is-somewhat-flawed/
Please give me a site to watch football matches other than EPL.
Fromsport.com is great for all the big leagues and most of the intermediate ones, too.
Interesting to see if Ferguson starts to use three centre-backs regularly this season. A traditional 4 at the back was a problem against Barcelona, but the defence was not comfortable switching to a three-man formation, and Utd were consequently a man light in midfield with a surplus centre-half. This year, with 5 good central defenders and only three full backs, Ferguson should get the team used to playing in more than one defensive system before they have to face a midfield-dominant side like Barca.
With Jones and Smalling both being primarily centre-backs who have been used at righ-back in the pre-season, I wonder if Fergie’s planning some kind of lopsided back four, in which Evra (or one of the Da Silvas) is given much more license to roam forward, with a more conservative RB and the two CBs effectively forming a back three.
that reminds of when brown was used at rb a few season ago, and evra was given alot of freedom to go forward. Though im not sure if that was intentional or through injuries.
It was a Barcelona goal, but the Barcelona of Rijkaard with Deco Dinho and E’too – not this methodical and gap hunting variation.
I’m glad that United has options – a 4-2-2-2 is ideal when our forwards are faster than the centerbacks, and the wingers can’t get around a talented outside back like Richards or Zabaleta or Abidal.
No review of the Italian supercup? I want to see your analysis of Gian Piero Gasperini’s formation/tactics
Berbatov, a predecessor of Tevez/Ronaldo. Hmm…
I thought it was someone who had similar styles of their former…
I haven’t read through all the comments and although I agree with what a lot of you are saying you are overlooking the absence of Javier Hernandez who scored goals for fun during the second half of the season. He is going to hang of the last defenders shoulder and not contribute to as much of the ‘fluid’ buildup play you are referring to. With that being said, I cannot wait to see United play these year, our attacking options are unmatched anywhere as far as depth, skill, and desire are concerned.
It will be interesting to see how often Nani and Young play in the same side. Wouldn’t Man Utd’s midfield become very susceptible to being outnumbered if both play in a competitive game. Young may look good at being inter-changeable across the front line but I thought he often disappeared when trying to help the Villa midfield especially in the second half of a game.
Also Nani’s lack of tracking back is one of the reasons why Park or Valencia are picked ahead of him. In addition by playing Nani and Young won’t it lead to Rooney playing deeper and becoming less dangerous. I agree that Hernandez looked great second part of the season. I think 4-3-3 is more likely echoing Barca and 2008 Man Utd set-ups. Perhaps Rooney – Hernandaz – Young as fluid front line with room for Sneijder in a three-man midfield.
Manchester need a word class midfielder now. They can’t maintain their supremacy with current squad.
Having watched Welbeck in this game and the Barca game last week, it will interesting to see whether the guy would do as much dropping back and troubling opponents if Park or Giggs were to play on one of the flanks rather than Young and Nani… Will have to see.
To say they were fluid in 2008 against Barce is utter rubbish…. Yes against smaller teams maybe but against big teams they are horrible.. Barce were in all kinds of trouble that season and United played typical Cateneccio style football to beat them… They were one spot kick away from loosing the finals but were lucky to win as in 1999….