Barcelona v Manchester United: tactical preview

Both side's "first choice" line-up
There’s certainly been no shortage of tactical debate ahead of this game.
Indeed, ever since a repeat of the 2009 final was confirmed, all the talk has been about how the sides will play – more specifically, how Manchester United can stop Barcelona. Even current players have been asked for their tactical thoughts, with the likes Jack Wilshere and Cesc Fabregas outlining surprisingly detailed tactical ideas – the latter showed off a neat chalkboard to demonstrate his ideas visually.
The one common theme – it’s probably not appropriate to call it a mistake – is an exaggeration of how much United were dominated in 2009. Indeed, you wonder if some of the players themselves have forgotten how even the first half of that game was. Paul Scholes, for example, said that this time United “intend to at least give it a go” – which doesn’t do justice to their performance in Rome – although considering Scholes only came on for the final twenty minutes, when Barcelona were 2-0 up and played keep-ball, it’s perhaps understandable. Still, it’s worth reading ZM’s analysis of that game, or even rewatching the game as preparation for this one. In the first half in 2009, United had better chances and almost an identical number of completed passes.
Team news
Manchester United have no major injury doubts, but the fitness of Darren Fletcher and Anderson are both talking points, and may dissuade Sir Alex Ferguson from using either.
Pep Guardiola would like to use Eric Abidal at left-back, but the French defender is probably not yet up to full speed after recovering from his operation. Therefore, Carles Puyol seems likely to play at left-back, with Javier Mascherano at centre-back.
The big decision
Everyone agrees that the main decision at the start will come from Ferguson. Should he continue to use Javier Hernandez, a key part of Ferguson’s recent ‘big game’ side, or drop the Mexican in order to use another central midfielder, and go for more of a defensive system? Hernandez starting would certainly be the popular move.
The decision is perhaps more complicated than many think. The obvious argument is that Hernandez’s lightning pace – he was the quickest player at the World Cup last summer – will catch out Barcelona’s high line. In fact, Hernandez has done something very similar last year at international level against Carles Puyol and other Barca players.
For such a pacey player, however, Hernandez hasn’t scored a great number of goals in this fashion. There was the recent opener in the league clash against Chelsea, but the primary cause of that goal was David Luiz’s mistake rather than Hernandez’s pace itself. Most of his goals have been poacher’s strikes from close range, often after crosses. Getting the ball wide and then centring it remains United’s natural approach, and they are simply not used to playing through balls – not when compared to, say, how Liverpool used Fernando Torres’ pace so blatantly with balls into the channels.
Besides, Hernandez hasn’t been particularly influential in games that are likely to take the same pattern as this one – ie with the opposition dominating possession. Against Arsenal at the Emirates recently, United only had 45% of possession and Hernandez only completed four passes in open play, and there’s a suspicion that he doesn’t contribute an awful lot when he doesn’t have the ball. He didn’t have a shot in that game, and the same was true in the league game at Stamford Bridge. He would still be a huge threat and probably United’s best chance of a goal if he started, but Ferguson has to balance that threat against the fact that the midfield would be more open, and United might struggle to get the ball forward.
What Hernandez does, however (even without touching the ball) is force the opposition defence to play deeper, which then opens up the gap between the lines of defence and midfield, and creates more space for Wayne Rooney. But whereas Chelsea, for example, were clueless at times without a true holding player, Barca have Sergio Busquets who will stay goalside of Rooney.

The alternative line-ups. Guardiola could play Puyol at left-back and bring in Mascherano in the centre, and can play his wingers on either side. Ferguson may opt for a third central midfielder, and also has the option of O'Shea (or Rafael) at right-back
The case for playing another central midfielder looks stronger when you consider that Barcelona are far more possession-orientated than they were in 2009. United have a destroyer, but then they don’t need one – often you can’t get close enough to Barca to get a tackle in. What you do need is mobility, and it’s questionable whether there’s enough of that from Ryan Giggs and Michael Carrick in a duo, though the energy of the front three/four makes up for that to a certain extent.
Of course, the fitness worries of the candidates for the potential third central midfield position come into play here. Anderson and Fletcher might only be able to last 50 minutes. But Ferguson must be tempted to accept that, play either of them for that amount of time and tell them to close down and press like mad, safe in the knowledge they won’t have to play the full game, so tiring it not a problem. Then, as Arsenal have done twice in two years, really go for it in the final 25 minutes – it was notable how much Theo Walcott’s pace troubled Barcelona at the Emirates last year, and Hernandez might have the same effect.
Pressing
Manchester United pressed Barcelona from the start in 2009, surprising Guardiola. They won the ball back quickly and forced Barca into mistakes, and they might try and do something similar here. United must be careful, though, because there is no logical solution for pressing Barcelona 4 v 4 without leaving the midfield open for Sergio Busquets, Xavi Hernandez and Andres Iniesta to dominate, not to mention Lionel Messi dropping deep.
It also means playing high up the pitch, which might be a problem for Nemanja Vidic, who has struggled with pace this season and doesn’t like having to turn quickly when a player is sprinting past him. Rio Ferdinand covers very intelligently but Barcelona’s movement upfront is both instinctive and very clever tactically. A particular approach is for Messi to drop deep and then for Pedro and David Villa to make diagonal runs in behind the full-backs and into the space Vidic is occupying (a little like Pedro’s disallowed goal in the Copa del Rey final) and the higher up the pitch United play, the more likely this is to be effective for Barcelona’s front three.
Manchester United wingers v Barcelona full-backs
This is probably the most interesting match-up on the pitch in terms of tactics, and it’s arguably the one area where Guardiola, not Ferguson, has the real decision to make – even after he’s decided on a left-back.
It would be a huge surprise if Park Ji-Sung and Antonio Valencia were not United’s wide players – Park will play a little tucked in on the left and track Dani Alves, whilst Valencia will stay wider and higher up on the right, as against Chelsea recently. Valencia will look to get into 1 v 1 battles, and is probably United’s most important attacking player considering he’ll be up against Barcelona’s weakest position.
Guardiola’s decision is about how much attacking freedom he wants to give his full-backs. At the start of the recent mini-series against Real, it was obvious that Xabi Alonso tried to exploit their attacking tendencies by hitting diagonal balls in behind them for the wingers to get onto. Guardiola might be wary of this threat – both from the wingers and the front two moving into wide positions (Rooney enjoyed getting into the space behind Ashley Cole against Chelsea recently) and tell them to stay back. Then again, he wants width from that position in order for the front three can narrow and link up.
Much of this might depend on whether Barcelona shift from their 4-3-3 to a 3-4-3, with Busquets dropping into the back. This seems logical - Guardiola only generally asks his players to do this against 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 systems, where there’s a clear front two and Busquets moving deep helps Barca get out of the ‘natural’ press of the opposition, which will probably be the case here. That would obviously allows the full-backs to move higher up the pitch without fear of leaving the wide areas exposed.
Iniesta
The key man in this game is Iniesta. He was superb in 2009 – Rooney called him ‘the best player in the world’ after that match.
Iniesta is in the nice position of being up against Michael Carrick. No offence intended to Carrick, but if he is deployed as United’s deepest midfielder, he’ll be asked to keep it tight between the lines to prevent Messi getting space, and possibly told to try and intercept any passes intended for the Barcelona No 10 too. Therefore, whilst Carrick would naturally be closing down Iniesta, he might not be able to. What happens if Iniesta moves deeper? Or moves to the left? Assuming United’s right-back is focused on dealing with Barcelona’s left-winger, it’s difficult to see how Iniesta wouldn’t go free and be allowed too much time on the ball.
If he moves left, it might even allow Barca to shift to something like their 4-2-4ish ‘plan B’ from last season, although sporadically rather than permanently. This would also mean Xavi would move deeper and get space away from Giggs, and could cause United real problems in the centre of the pitch.
Barcelona will surely dominate possession, and therefore creating chances depends on different things for either side. Barcelona need to play through-balls accurately and the forwards must time their runs well, whilst United need to be quick and decisive at transitions between defence and attack, to bypass Barcelona’s initial and expose their defence high up the pitch.
Barcelona v Manchester United: tactical preview




Personally I wouldn’t start Hernandez…
Agreed, maybe a super-sub role would do him well. Seemed to work quite well in the early part of the season, at least to me.
I’d guess that Ferguson won’t want to be quite that defensive, even if its only for the first hour. But there is a good case for it.
why?! hernandez is one of the best pressers of the ball e.g which is needed for man utd to get the ball back. And when on the ball, he has every attribute perfect for scoring against barca, with his pace and playing on the last shoulder vs barcas high line…….
True, true, and true. So it might be a battle of who is more undroppable, him or Rooney, assuming that playing both of them would leave serious problems in the game’s key battle, the midfield.
I don’t believe there’s such a dilemma.Starting Hernandez can work best if Rooney starts as well,or else he’ll be somewhat isolated and running in vain.So in my opinion the answer to your question is that Rooney is undroppable and the real choice is between Hernandez and Fletcher
That’s the way I see it too. Rooney is far too important tactically to be dropped. Giggs, despite not contributing much hassling and harrying, is also undroppable. The leaves a decision between Fletcher and Hernandez.
Fletcher is unlikely to last the full 90 minutes, so Hernandez can replace him if United need to chase the game.
I totally disagree for two reasons
1) One of Barcas main vulnerabilities this season has been against pace at the back. That one of the reasons why mascherano was moved there. Rooneys main attribute is his physicality. On top of this as you yourself pointed out Hernandez is very good at exploiting crosses something Manchester united will surely need to do.
2) If Rooney plays up there by himself it wases his defensive abilities on puyol and piqué rather than using them perhaps more effectively on busquests (whose impotence cannot be overstated – Sid lowe wrote an article about it today).
Was that really what the Sid Lowe article was about, Busquet’s “impotence?”
Because this:
“At Barcelona that role is vital, the central cog. He might look out of place, but if there is one thing you can rarely say about Busquets it is that he is out of place. Busquets protects and serves. In La Liga, only Xavi has completed more passes per match; in the Champions League only Gerard Piqué has regained possession more.”
And this:
“They admire him. More importantly, they appreciate him. Del Bosque and Guardiola have long defended him and promoted him even when there were doubts not just about his personality but about his play. They saw something in him that many others did not. Even now, he is probably the least lauded of Barça’s team. Until, that is, you ask his fellow players.”
don’t seem like definitions of “impotence.”
Mind you, that Xavi not only called him (in another interview with Sid Lowe, mind you) the best “one-touch player on the team” but that numerous players have said he is rarely dispossed or drawn out of position. *Confused*
Cant stop laughing, I guess Felix missed on an “r”, put it in “impotence”, u get what he meant.
Importance was what Felix meant.
Haha. Yeah that is a really bad typo to make. Well…
And I can’t even edit it – sorry.
Yep, he definitely meant “importance”. If he’s impotent, that is a matter only for him and his lady (awaiting High Court Super Injunction Gagging Order in 3…2…1…)
Hahahaha!
I mean, seriously, I was thinking, “Well, shit, here’s another English pundit who can’t stand the flopping Busquets!”
I agree we these points. I believe that any other set-up concedes too much to the opposition and, frankly, I don’t see where the goal threat would come from without Hernandez on the pitch.
For me, the real selection problem is who to pick as the two central midfielders. I just don’t believe that United are really blessed in this area. First and foremost they have to be defensively disciplined, which suggests Fletcher and AN Other. Carrick? Giggs? Anderson? Much of a muchness really.
When setting his team up to play Arsenal, especially away from home, Fergie concedes possession and plays on the counter. This surely has to be his thinking for tomorrow night. No fancy tactics required. The players are comfortable with this way of playing and it keeps things simple. It’s obviously not very enjoyable for the players or their supporters: defending, defending, then springing a counter-attack; but surely this is United’s most realistic chance of winning the game.
For this game plan to be effective then Hernandez must play. Drop to the half-way line, squeeze the space and make sure that Rooney is disciplined in his defensive duties on Busquets. If Fergie starts the game with Rooney, Park and Valencia then there needs to be someone who’s going to stick the ball in the back of the net; and that is Hernandez. (Most likely from a counter involving Rooney and Valencia; who needs to isolate Puyol.)
Maybe United’s last outing at the Emirates has put Fergie off this formation but as long as his side are defensively in tune with one another then I believe that this is the most plausible system. United have to be clinical, especially out of Barca’s first press. Possession and goal scoring opportunities shall be scarce, they have to make sure that they waste neither.
I think Giggs-Carrick is a good combo in the middle for MUFC. They compliment each other very well…
Fletcher has been ruled out of the match as he failed a fitness test or sumthing…(via Mirrorfootball.com)
only way to accomodate both rooney and hernandez and compete in the midfield is to play 3 at the back. I wish sir alex does that
If he did that, the trio of Messi, Pedro, and Villa would only have to widen up a bit to leave Messi 1v1 with Vidic… fun situation.
or you could have fletcher/carrick tracking messi and that leaves 2 other mid fielders to track xavi and iniesta and rooney can mark busquets leaving a CB free and one of the wingers should try to exploit any gaps left by the barca FB i.e. dont track the FB all the way and deal with any crosses
Dont track the full-back all the way???!!! That wud spell Disaster with a capital D. And Barca FBs almost never cross the ball, they make diagonal runs inside the oppositions FBs,(esp Alves) complimenting the runs made by Barca’s wider attackers, and confusing the opponents deffence even more.
Someone is going to be left free in Barca’s mid because of this, as probably Park will be given the job of tracking Alves.
…or play Rooney on the left and hernandez through the middle with park in the middle on busquets
Disagree completely for one reason:
Starting 4-3-3 = Message of fear, and the last thing SAF wants to do is fearing Barcelona.
Another reason is, Shall SAF Start in 4-3-3, is that Nani will start instead of Hernandez Because Otherwise It will be just going the park the bus and that’s a thing you MUSN’T do against Barca in the begininng.
i wouldn’t start hernandez for a naive reason. it lets me have three central midfielders all the time.
but what are the options?
1. start fletcher: i would like that for the technical quality he brings along, but do we know how fit he is? i don’t buy this thing about match practice, though. he’s a pro, and knows how to get himself conditioned.
2. start anderson/scholes: fergie doesn’t seem to be trusting anderson here; scholes may not have what it takes to last 60 minutes against barca. wilshere’s comments to the guardian about the first 20 mins were interesting.
3. start hernandez: and trust rooney to be (a) be creative, and (b) drop deep often and “occupy” busquets.
From the options above option 3 is the best because:
1. Fletcher isnt in full form and according to the lastest reports might not even make the bench.
2.Anderson is simpely inconsistent too much to play in a match like that and he likes to play the “hollyhood”
pass too much.
3. Scholes sadly just doesnt have the legs anymore, and it will be a miracle if he completes 45 minutes without seeing the red card.
If Hernandez wont start, SAF will probably make Park as the 3rd CM and Will start Nani from the wing to make sure it isnt too defensive.
i still prefer option 3. however, fergie’s been hinting too much about hernandez; i’m beginning to suspect it is a feint.
i prefer fletcher, but park wouldn’t be bad in the middle. as things stand, nani is not likely to start.
but it’s interesting as a concept: rooney as the lone striker; nani and valencia on the wings; carrick, park and giggs in the middle. that’s three-on-three in paper, but will carrick and giggs be good at tracking iniesta and busquets (of course, i do not think carrick and giggs will hassle their current targets – iniesta and xavi – throughout)? what happens to messi, then?
the advantage of the system could be that park could drift to the left flank once in a while and create havoc. alves leaves space behind, evra keeps on eye on him, park and nani combine to good effect to create havoc.
it’s a scenario, that’s what it is.
[this is my preview. it’s set to “everyone” on facebook, so should be accessible to all fb users: http://www.facebook.com/notes/deepu-sebastian-edmond/before-the-whistle-blows-at-wembley-the-long-version-of-my-first-sports-by-line/225809297431279
[and this is the shorter version: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/talking-tactics-how-united-can-contain-barca/796362/
ZM are u pissed?
Agreed…
OR, SAF might start Rooney on the Left. But personally i think that would be a waste…
Agreed, IF United are a goal down then bring Hernandez on at 75 mins, he should give Puyol/Pique a good roasting then.
Seeing the 09 final again it was obvious they didn’t like facing Berbatov playing as a creative target-man- that’s another option if united go down. They couldn’t deal with his height/strength, and on the ball he’s a world class player.
United’s “desparate times” shape:
VDS
Valencia Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Fletcher
Nani Berba Hernandez Rooney
with Nani calling Abidal’s bluff and staying high up the pitch. At this time Barca would probably have done Keita for Villa so instead of letting them pass it around, the entire United team should press hard.
But if he can force Pique and Puyol to lie lower then it might stretch Barca. Could be efficient? More distance = Harder to play their short-passing game.
Chicho would be great, yes, but that would mean dropping Rooney (ouch) or a midfielder (suicide). Thing is, if you’re deciding between Rooney and Chicho, you have to say Rooney every time, simply because he’s more all-rounded and powerful, and, with all due respect to Hernandez, a more experienced and overall better striker. However, I think one trick that Sir Alex has got up his sleeve is Fletcher/Ando. If he plays them for half the match each, they can use up their considerable stamina pressing like hell. Now that would mean that Barca gets tired… and when they do, bring on Hernandez and terrorize the defence. xD
true but that makes more space for their midfielders to move into and they are unsurpassed at that
Neither would I, think he could be a great super sub though.
Brilliant article. As always
I think there’s a word missing in the last sentence: “United need…to bypass Barcelona’s initial [?] and expose their defence…”
Good writeup. I think the best argument for starting Hernandez is that United really need to try and get the first goal – but if they’re going to start him I think they need to commit to pushing Valencia and Rooney up in the early stages to give him support, otherwise he’s a bit of a waste.
Good idea, but if they are to support Chicharito, then who is going to support Valencia and Rooney..?!
Agree. I believe the most plausible route to goal would be a counter attack involving Rooney and Valencia, with Valencia isolating Puyol. Park can join in from the left as he has the lungs to get back into position.
Having seen Barca a lot, as we all have, they do like to take their time on their transitions. This allows for a Da Silva or Evra to become involved in the attacking play. Will be interesting to see how much leeway they are given by Fergie.
Initial ‘press’, im guessing. But I agree with your main point; United need to use the flanks.
Would love to see Scholes given his chance to dictate Manchester United’s play but doubt that he will get the chance.
If United go with a 5 man midfield they won’t have the attacking threat needed, if they go with a 4 man midfield they risk being overran. United really needed Fletcher fit for this game, him and Park would have pressed all night long.
so go with a 6 man midfield. i’ve got a dvd of Estudiantes vs Cruzeiro in the Copa Libertadores group stage where the La Plata side not only play beautiful possession football, but they also dominate their Brazilian opponents. ofcourse, the lack of sharpness infront of goal resulted in 3 quick counter-attacking goals for Cruzeiro, but the idea of a 6 man midfield (3-6-1, capable of becoming a back 4 or 5, with 1, 2 or 3 attackers, & atleast 2 holding players) was terriic if only executed properly.
this’ll never happen, i know, but its worth a try
Have yet to see a side, ala Barca, that can handle Barca’s pressing and thus dictate play. They neither have the players nor the philosophy.
The way to beat Barcelona is to make them play against themselves
I think a United side without Fletcher stands no chance of winning.
I agree, Fletcher has no chance of winning without United all the same.
but wouldn’t hernandez able to pull back their high defensive line to a certain extent, thus hindering their high pressing game to an extent?
No hindrance, they could still press forward while hernandez stays offside
yes. nirmaljoy. no. bird.
no they couldn’t. hernandez is faster than anyone in Barcelona’s back line so a high line exposes them to through balls over the top. the deeper they sit the smaller the space available for through balls becomes.
you da man. forcing them deep would suit a shearer type forward, which utd dont have. they need barca up the pitch to exploit their lack of pace. why are so many people trying to force barca deep? that just makes the pitch bigger, ideal for a great passing team
United are an exceptional passing team. Not on par with barcelona perhaps but stretching the pitch in attack opens up space for Rooney to create. I think it’s kind of a given that, in order to maintain possession, Manchester need to force them back so their pressing game doesn’t result in Barcelona having 70% possession. 60% is fine, but 70% probably means a United loss. United don’t have to rely solely on counter attacks if they can keep the ball and Hernandez lets them do that by creating space. Expansive play is what an attacking team wants and squeezing play is what a team without te ball wants. these are fairly simple football ideals that essentially define barcelona.
I think United should do just what you said in the second line-ups: Play Ando/Fletcher, and tell them to ‘press like mad’ for half the game each. Also, use Hernandez as a super-sub, just like Walcott.
I think that the most important thing for United, however, is to not concede early on.
If Barca scores first i don’t think that it would be the end of the world for United. Suprisingly, Barca have had some issues scoring this year on good defences. After the first classico disaster, Madrid only allowed 4 goals from Barca in the last 4 classicos, winning 1, drawing 2 and losing 1. Madrid, however, only gave up 1 goal while playing 11 vs 11. I highly doubt that Barca will have the advantage of playing 11 vs 10 tomorrow, on such a big stage, after all the stink that came from the Madrid clashes. The ref will be instructed not to fall prey to the Barca diving tactics, and I think this actually gives United more of a green light to be physical.
Basically, I think Barca will have a very difficult time scoring against the United defense, as long as they have 11 men on the pitch. Even if Barca score first, United is not out by a long shot. Once teams break through the original line of barca defense, things tend to open up. Unfortunately for other teams, they rarely break through that original line of defense. But, that’s not to say that teams don’t create a good number of chances every time they play against Barca, and I doubt United will be any different.
Unfortunately for United, they are not the team they were a few years ago. They had a cake walk to the finals, while Barca had the most difficult run going up against Arsenal as well as Madrid. I think Barca are obviously the odds on favorite, but this is 1 leg and a home match for United…they have a chance.
You can be physical without ruining the game. Real know nothing about this, though. All the “stink” about the recent Clasicos were the direct result of their brutish, classless play. Stepping on players while they’re down, studs-up challenges, late challenges, and throwing elbows and shoulders into opponents who are running at full speed are all tactics that Madrid know well. The diving in the 1st UCL semi was the direct result of the referee’s indifference in the Copa Final. Sometimes those tactics “work,” but the end result doesn’t inspire. Whether brutal tactics work or not, you can’t blame the other team or the referee for making a mockery of the beautiful game.
I’m interested to know what kinds of tactical changes are likely based on what happens in the game, especially in the first half. For instance, if Manchester Utd start without Hernandez and Barcelona score twice early on, then what would Ferguson do? Perhaps put on Hernandez and Anderson and change to 4-3-3 at half time. Would Ferguson dream of taking off a defender and trying 3-4-3? Likewise, if Manchester Utd score first, what tactical changes will Barcelona make? Perhaps throwing Alves up high and putting on Affelay for a defender. Will Barcelona even use all their substitutions? How would Man Utd defend a lead late in the game, since they won’t be likely to be able to get more than 50% possession?
Once again, thanks for the great analysis.
how to beat barcelona:-
1)defend high-sounds suicidal but barca’s movement is so good that if u sit deep they will still play through u, giving the keeper less time to set himself and defenders less time to recover
2)play man 2 man on barca’s defenders and midfielders when in barca’s half. the defenders may be comfortable on the ball but they wont commit players or dribble the ball out. make them release it early and force them to play it long by marking tight in midfield. vidic, ferdinand and evra will have a better chance competing in the air than closing down barca players with the ball at their feet. revert to zonal marking when in own half.
3)leave dani alves free to run. bluff barca by using the space he leaves as a starting point for counter attacks, drawing the RCB of barca out (whoever it is wont be able to match park, valencia, rooney or hernandez for pace)
4)if barca continue to play with mascherano at CB and puyol at LB then target puyol. as great as he is hes not at his best with pacy players running at him. moving one of the worlds best CB’S is a big blunder by guardiola. they should leave him in the middle and play keita, adriano, maxwell or abidal (if fit) at LB. attacking the flanks is utd’s best chance anyway. with a narrow midfield 3 barca will struggle to protect their full backs and they are used to facing teams who play the ball infront of them. losing puyol as a CB will weaken them in the air, despite his lack of height he is the best they have coz of his desire, jumping and positioning
5)if you are religious, pray. nothing is guaranteed success against this barca side. no strategy is foolproof, man utd may still lose. but better to lose having tried to win than just sit there hoping for barca to make mistakes or failing to turn up
surely a wind up?
Only your last point is valid, otherwise other teams would have had more consistently desirable results, with enough time and enough effort being put in over 180 matches Pep has been in charge by them.
If Barca want to win & give 100%, they win,
unless bad referring decisions or volcano stops them (both happened in 2009)
but how many teams have tried to take them on. they are all too scared and try to kill the game instead. arsenal did it and it worked. the trouble was they tried sitting back in the 2nd leg despite not having the players to do it and got taken apart. you need the right players to attack barca. man u have them. im not saying they will win but look what happened in 2009. man u tried counter attacking and lost. that was with a better team than they have now. they had ronaldo and tevez, while vds, rio, giggs, scholes, were younger and better than today
Ferguson will send his team out to press energetically with a fast tempo and one-touch play to get one or two goals in the first 20-25 minutes. This will force Barcelona to play more directly with fast one-touch movement to break through Manchester United, and if this happens it will dictate the pattern of the game. So what we could see is end to end attacking, which is what everyone wants. MU’s defence, as good as it is, will surely concede so a 2-1 half-time score is plausible. At h-t both managers will tell their players to keep the energy and the tempo up, but Barcelona will need a goal quickly and that will leave them vulnerable. We could be looking at a 3-2, 3-3 or 4-3, if MU get a two goal lead. If they don’t, if Barcelona score first, MU will be vulnerable and will probably lose. Of course it could end up a nil-nil and go to penalties. As everyone is saying it all depends on how MU are set up and who Ferguson decides is right for this game, we all know how Barcelona are going to play and what their strengths and weaknesses are. To win this one Ferguson needs to get his tactics and formation perfect and his players to play at the top of their game, which means no lapses of concentration and no mistakes.
i dont think barca will change their stye no matter what the score. they may throw pique up front but the passing will remain the same. if they cant get back into it expect some red cards for barca in later stages. if utd score first fergie will sit back, i really hope they dont. if barca score first nothing will change. they wont go defensive, not until the last 10 mins anyway. i hope the managers dont bottle it coz it has the makings of a great final if they play their normal way
MU formation is almost exactly like Fabregas pointed out. I hope Barca are prepared.
Excellent analysis ZM!
Two great ball-playing / footballing sides are in the final, so hope this would be great contest and spectacle!
VDS
RAFAEL, RIO, VIDIC, EVRA
VALENCIA, SCHOLES, FLETCHER, FABIO
ROONEY
HERNANDEZ
1. Fabio and Valencia track Barca full backs the whole way.
2. Rooney assigned to stick on busquets tightly, then in possession move side ways to get away from him as busquets tends to want to stay quite central. Also by moving wider, you can double up on a desired full back creating a 2v1 possibly with Valencia.
3. When Messi drops deep, 1 centre back follows, the other stays and the two fullbacks sprint inwards when he drops creating a compact 3 vs 2. The centre back that follows Messi follows him everywhere, tight up his ass, so the best he can do is pop the ball backwards facing his own goal. If this player doesnt get tight then messi will turn and run at the defender – not what we want.
4. The objective is to beat Barca in possession (so we will end up with a good chunk of possession even tho its likely they will edge it)- we do this by pressing high and aggressively up the pitch, with a safely positioned defensive line. All passing is short. Evra and Rafael push high up the pitch when the ball is with the two centre backs, to make it much harder for barca to press, as they will be a good 15 yards pegged back by the fullbacks position.
5. Fletcher man mark Iniesta and follow him everywhere. He can do this as it doesnt matter where iniesta goes if fletcher were to follow nothing will be sacrificed. If we were to mark iniesta zonally he finds space inbetween the lines far too easily.
6. Hernandez always playing on last shoulder, aim of Scholes and Rooney is to release him against barcas high line.
7. Another possible way of penetrating Barca is Fletcher making forward runs frequently, and look to hit him from crosses, as Barca are a small team and arent the most comfortable team in the world at defending crosses.
8. Used Fabio instead of Park as although park is very disciplined in tracking alves, he has looked vulnerable against a really quick full back as it is asking a lot to keep up with him over 50 yards (e.g bosingwa showed this). Fabio is disciplined and can match d.alves’ pace.
scholes in midfield equals red card
no, not a wind up. and you more or less backed my opinions in your own comments. 4-pressing high and aggressively, did i not say that then. 7-look to hit from crosses, did i not say that too!
explain a few things to me.
1)how does evra and rafael pushing up when utd’s CB’s have the ball stop barca pressing
2)fletcher (if fit) is at his best when harrassing people and closing down space. tying him to stopping 1 player negates his strengths
3)if fabio and valencia track all the way back and rooney sits on busquets where exactly are utd supposed to play the ball if they do get it back. 10 players pinned in there own half and without barca’s ability to string short, sharp passes together with good movement. it would just become attack v defence
4)if you send vidic or ferdinand in to get tight on messi he will eat them up. you cant stop him with 1 player. better to let him have it in midfield than get drawn out and have him running at the remaining CB. if the full back sprint in who is marking villa and pedro. fabio and valencia perhaps? who would then no doubt be double teamed by alves and whoever plays LB for barca
5)hernandez pushing barca back is counter productive. it reduces his space to run in behind and makes the pitch bigger. ideal for a team who passes the ball and moves like barca. to beat them you need to make the pitch smaller not bigger, and turn it in to a scrappy midfield battle
credit for having ideas and trying to explain them. but its all about reactive football. responding to what barca do. they are used to playing against teams who defend all game. play like that against them and utd will lose. they have to put barca on the back foot and make them do things they aren’t used to. inter got away with “parking the bus” last year but only after a dodgy disallowed goal and jose changing his line-up after seeing barcas team and claiming a pre-match injury. plus inter and jose are much more at home playing that way than man utd are, they had the players to do it, utd don’t
1) If a full back is in line with the centre backs, the centre backs have less space as opposed to the full backs advanced 20 yards up the pitch. Then pedro and villa are 20 yards away from man utd’s center backs, thus having to cover much more distance and so making their press less effective.
2) Yes fletcher is great at harrassing players but so are every single united player ive listed in my first 11.
3) No you won’t be pinned back as busquets doesnt venture forward, and so you’d have hernandez and rooney as an outball.
4)Real madrid did what you proposed and Messi roamed and dictated. Messi won’t tear a player apart if he can’t even get to face the player, he’ll be facing his own goal.
5)Hernandez pushing barcas line back is very productive as MAN UTD are on the ball and so you have more space to play in. Not the other way round. You want to compress space when you dont have the ball not drop deeper.
6) you keep mentioning that you have to put barca on the backfoot and emphasise that this is defensive…trying to press a team to get the ball back and playing possession football with the intent to score is not defensive my friend. Sitting in your own half and countering is “defensive”.
fair play to u for answering my queries but im not convinced
1)if full backs push up and take barca’s wingers with them who do utd’s CB’s have left to pass to, only each other. so why bother pressing them. they aren’t going to advance with the ball for fear of leaving the other 1 v1 with messi
2)the ball moves faster than any player. you cant press barca full pitch, it has to be in certain areas. do it your own half when their more skillful players are in possession or near the goal is more risky than doing it in barca’s half when their defenders have the ball
3)if rooney is sitting on busquets that leaves hernandez v 2 barca CB’s. as soon as u win possession that puts busquets straight on rooney, your wingers are deep in your half tracking barca’s FB’s so where is the support for hernandez. hes a great finisher but he isn’t gonna create anyhing or take on 2 defenders, he needs service. hes the wrong man for that job
4)i never said it would work, messi is so good he will still hurt you in some way. but rio and vidic are not mobile enough to track him he will tie them in knots. utd need a different type of player to man mark messi and i dont see one in their team with the mix of agility, pace and discipline to do it, so its better not to sacrifice a player that can’t do the job. makes more sense to mark the forwards so he has no passing options and try and crowd him in midfield or cut out the supply to him at source(press the barca defenders)
5)utd are going to spend most of the night playing counter attack, everyone does against barca coz u cant get the ball. hernandez cant force barca back on his own can he, he cant make his runs unless hes got passes to run onto. for that to happen utd need the ball high up the pitch. its easy to defend against hopeful 40-50 yard passes especially when u have a spare man coz the opposition only have 1 man up
which is why i suggested pressing high and bluffing dani alves. then if you win the ball back you have players in a position to hurt barca, its risky i know, but at some point you have to take the game to them and it might surprise them as teams just dont play like that against them. would barca want to risk leaving themselves 3v3 against hernandez, rooney and nani for example. its a battle of wills as much as technique
if playing on a big pitch in any way hindered barca they wouldn’t have one of the largest pitches in the world, they would make it smaller
6)where did i say pressing high and attacking with crosses is defensive. i said dropping deep with 10 men behind the ball is defensive, which is what im against. i think you misread something i wrote. im all for attacking them. defence is their weakness. not to say they are bad defenders its just their philosophy to go for it so they will leave gaps. how can any team take advantage of that if their players are camped in their own half. mourinho tried it 5 times this season with a great set of players and won once, in extra time! if they have a 1 in 5 chance by playing that way why would it make sense for utd to try it
im enjoying our debate so keep coming up with ideas my friend
just dont agree with you pal.
if fletcher is following iniesta, who is picking up messi when he drops deep? certainly not scholes
Excellent article as always. One thing I’ve been thinking about:
Most articles I have read almost exclusively focus on how Man Utd can stop a certain threat from Barcelona – assuming that we know pretty much how Barcelona will play. But Guardiola is more pragmatic than he’s given credit for and could well have an ace up his sleeve – much like how he used Messi centrally in 2009. If Man Utd line up focusing too much on stopping Barcelona then a surprise move could potentially catch them out.
spot on. you cant send out team just to stop the opposition, you have to have a way to win the game not just a plan on how not to lose it
You can’t under normal circumstances But these are extraordinary times we live in, we are witness to a team which comes once in a life time (not even a generation)
Time and again “prevention” is what has become the norm against this Barca, and its a form of flattery in disguise.
true . they have so many options its nearly impossible to stop them scoring. they are just so good. so better to score yourselves and make them defend. they dont get asked many questions defensively coz too many teams are purely trying to stop them scoring. how many games have barca lost in last 2 years? they throw a few meaningless games from time to time but when it matters they win coz teams dont fight fire with fire. atletico madrid have a good record against them and look at their team, aguero,forlan,simao,reyes. not set up to defend are they. they make barca worry about them and it works, not always, but their record is better than most
Interesting. I seem to prefer what you refer to as United’s alternative line-up. I admire Hernandez and his pace but his muted showing at the Emirates got me thinking lots about what may occur against Barca.
I’d rather have Rooney alone up front (for a start) with a midfield trio (or quintet – if one includes the wide men) supporting. Anderson would be my preference to start in your Anderson/Fletcher conundrum.
And what if Sir Alex opted for a few strange decisions?
For instance, start with Fabio in the wide left spotas he did against Arsenal in the Cup; have Anderson (or Giggs / or O’Shea [why not?!]) alongside Carrick and Park in the hole (with Busquets in mind)? Park usually plays in that position for South Korea and he does pretty well.
With Fabio and Valencia wide, Man U have two players who can go one-on-one with the opposing full-backs and have a good sense of positioning to track the forward runs of the said full-backs. In addition they would cross into the box which is a typical United way of playing.
An alternate surprise could be to play Carrick and Park in the middle, Fabio wide left, Valencia wide right, Berbatov (in a false 10) Rooney as the striker; with a back 4 of Rafael, Rio, Vidic and Evra.
I know many would claim Berbabtov is to slow to play in the hole; buty he is technical enough to hold that ball and when on fire can fight for possession and more physical than many might consider.
It’s just a mad thought – mind! But what about you Fergie? Can we expect a:
VDS
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Carrick Park Fabio
Rooney
Berbabatov
Or
VDS
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
valencia Carrick Anderson (or Giggs or O’Shea) Fabio
Park
Rooney
? Stretching it – am I?
I think SAF will give it a go and play your 4-4-1-1 lineup.
However, in my own opinion, I would put in either scholes/fletcher (depends on fitness) for Valencia and push Rooney wide right, leaving Hernandez alone up top. Barca’s attack is amazing because Busquets and Alves push up, creating a huge numbers mismatch on the righthand side of the field as 6 players take on 5 or sometimes 4. I would field a 4-5-1 to try to prevent a first half goal, slug things out in midfield, and then go for a goal in the last half hour by fielding that 4-1-1.
Should be a great game!
i think fergie’s really got to go for it you know. i think there is no point defending against barca, just go for it. gung ho.
i would line up using this formation, and take the game to em!!! give em it all!!
————vds
————————-
fabio—–rio—–vida—–evra
——————————-
————carrick————
————fletcher———–
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obertan–rooney-chicarito-nani-
haha Harry Redknapps tactics are:
Hoof it up to Crouchy for the knock down !
Give it to Bale.
That is all.
To shun Busquets is to get him out of that ‘hole’ between midfield and defence. Good marking and pressure by MU can cramp Barca midfield, but won’t move him out of position. Also, without fullback support Barca got less alternative to pass ball, except free central defenders.
I’d try out 4132 for MU: with Carrick/Fletcher at holding, Park, Giggs and Nani/Valencia rotating at attacking midfield, keeping a tight screen in front of Carrick when Barca are in possession. Giggs is old enough to manage the midfielder’s formation, whether to tilt left or right, according to Barca’s fullback activity.
Hernandez play as second striker to run forward from deep, to see how well Busqiets cope with his pace. While Rooney as striker that pulls down. That should mess the defensive triangle of Pique, Masche and Busquets. In case those three play zonal, attacking midfielders must offer second option. Where Barca midfield are good with passing, Giggs/Nani/Park are good in penetrations. Also, how Evra and Fabio/Rafael take part in attack in this scheme is an even more interesting detail to watch. This should pull Pedro and Villa down the flanks.
By playing Hernandez in the hole, we test to what extent Busquets reliability (Messi versus Carrick/Fletcher is beside the point. We know who would win there). On second thought, Giggs could take over this role, with Scholes to lead the midfield behind him.
“To shun Busquets is to get him out of that ‘hole’ between midfield and defence”
dont think of it as trying to move a player away from a certain position to nullify him, but more to find a way to press that player without leaving another barca player free.
my view is that Barca has the upper hand. Pressing will win the ball for MU. But to score you need to break that triangle of Pique/Busquets/Masche (Berdyev spoke of this so many times). To break it MU need movement (especially since passing is not exactly MU game).
I’d try to invite Barca to defend high up the pitch, and use a second striker to run forward. Another variation would be to spread Rooney and Hernandez toward the flanks while three attacking midfielders penetrate that central space (hence, why I’d consider Nani rather than Valencia, or maybe Scholes). I’d like to see how Xavi and Iniesta would backup Busquets in this scenario.
I like Zonal Marking’s recent articles a lot more than the regular match report (which I can’t really bother to read unless I’ve seen the game in question). These speculative articles, previews and articles of the season in review (eg managerial appointments and Owen Coyle’s attacking football) are a lot more interesting I find.
I agree with this. With the refereeing standard the way it is in England, most match report comments just degenerate into rants and counter rants.
These articles are more fitting for this site I think.
Refereeing is far better in England than it is in the Champions League, that’s for sure. I think it should be mandatory to have Howard Webb ref all Barca matches. He has been given a bad rap since the WC, but he rarely if ever falls for the dramatics or the ref rushing/pressuring, which is a major positive.
yes, thats true, so all could start doing cungfu kicks and he would let it happen. It was a wonder, how Holland ended up with 11 players, in the WC final first half.
Rajesh, seeing a guy get kicked in the chest and seeing another guy or two commit 6-8 hard fouls in a match are part of the game! Anybody who complains just supports “drama.”
I see the 2nd lineup with Rooney as a false nine as a fascinating, decent possibility, just like at the Emirates last year with the wingers exploiting the space inside (their 3-1 win) http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/31/arsenal-1-3-manchester-united-wayne-rooney-brilliantly-demonstrates-the-value-of-a-false-nine/.
Then again, Barca are essentially playing the same system then so that would make for either a fascinatingly open, intriguing game with loads of chances or a dull, cagey stalemate where both strikers (Messi/Rooney) are too isolated.
Wonderful preview as always, it’s really fascinating to see in depth match previews as well as wonderful post match reviews!
IMO Rooney is the key man there, as I just can’t see SAF dropping Hernandez.
This means the only way for MU to compete in midfield will be with Rooney dropping deep to link with Carrick/Giggs in possession, nearly acting as a third midfielder.
It would also clear MU from the threat of allowing opposing full-backs too much license to widen the play by dropping Busquets into a back 3.
Anyway, We’re in the wake of a close encounter, with Barça perhaps favorites, but if a team has the weapons to beat them, it’s MU.
Here are some points and the formation United need to employ tomorrow:
—————-Hernandez—————-
Park——Rooney—————–Valencia
————–Fletcher—–Carrick——-
Evra——Vidic——-Ferdinand—-O’shea
1. Fletcher has to start, even if he is not at 100% health.
2. Hernandez will be the one United should depend on to score goals.
3. United’s attacking threat will be the Rooney-Valencia-Hernandez triangle. Rooney will send long balls for Valencia to run into and he will cross the ball for Hernandez to the far post, he is a terrific header and Alves will probably leave some gaps in the defence.
4. Rooney plays slightly to the left to exploit the spaces left by Alves and to send long balls to Valencia.
5. O’shea needs to start ahead of the twins. The Da Silvas are too rash, which could be a disaster against Barca, plus their attacking qualities are not needed on the right flank as he attacking responsibilities on that flank will be Valencia’s only who will hug the line at all times. Hell, I would even have Wes Brown at RB ahead of the Da Silvas.
6. When Messi drops deep, Ferdinand will be the one who follows him.
7. Fletcher will act as the dynamo, using his stamina to disrupt and hassle Iniesta and Xavi.
8. Carrick will mostly be the screener ahead of the defensive line and will rarely venture forward. He will, however, have the responsibility of sending quick long balls to the front three.
9. United should not be afraid of playing very narrow on the defensive phase, showing Barca’s players the touchline and forcing them to cross the ball. Barca’s players are very short, weak and not good in the air – Rio and Vidic will have no trouble dealing with aerial balls. United should look to deny Barcelona’s wingers from cutting inside. Hard working Valencia and Park will guard ferociously against Abidal and Alves respectively to deny Barca any width provided by their fullbacks which might draw Evra or O’shea wide.
10. Berbatov must not play a single minute this game. He shouldn’t even be on the bench. It’s better have Michael Owen there than him. Berbatov simply has no role to play here.
This is the formation I would agree the most as well,albeit with a slight change.For starters I’d have Fletcher occupying the space that Iniesta plays in (right-side for ManU).Then I’d have Rooney being very disciplined defensively dropping goalside of Xavi and then use Carrick in front of the defense to cover spaces.Let me be clear that I don’t imply any man-marking of Fletcher on Iniesta or Rooney on Xavi.I’d have Rafael/Fabio over O’Shea though because against the very mobile Pedro or Villa (depending on who plays on that flank) he would face a lot of problems.That formation offers:
A)Two very energetic players (Fletcher-Rooney) that are essential against Barca’s non stop moving midfield 3-4 to defend in accordance with Carrick’s positional intelligence
B)Significantly higher efficiency in ManUs transitions with Hernandez-Park-Rooney-Valencia all being fast intelligent runners and good on the ball.Especially Rooney’s long pass accuracy which is followed by a timed late run in the box can prove to be critical.Since the majority of the match is likely to be played on his side of the pitch (right for Barca,left for ManU)
Fantastic article, as per usual.
But no mention of the possiblity of Nani?
His form has dropped as of late, for sure, and he is not as defensively sound as Valencia, but there is certainly a fair possibility of him starting on the right (I think you’ve mentioned how much better he is on the right before at some point)? I think it would be especially pertinent if Puyol does, as expected, start at left-back and remains deep. I think Nani has the requisite trickery to take on a deep-lying Puyol out wide, while also giving the more cumbersome (in comparison to Mascherano) Pique a tough time in the inside-right channel. With Rooney (or Hernandez) looking to exploit the space behind Dani Alves to the left, I think Nani may be given the nod. However, my first few points about form and defensive quality may outweigh these considerations.
Evra has a lot of varied responsibility here too. He needs to be wary of Pedro, naturally, but Spanaird hasn’t been on top form recently. If Park does well enough against Alves, Evra has to take some risks and push on to support Rooney from out wide. I think O’Shea will start at right-back and be told to stay put and track Villa, occasionally helping in the centre when Ferdinand tracks Messi, so Evra needs to help provide width on the left or United will not provide enough of a scoring threat.
Tactics aside (sacrilege!) lets hope for a good refereeing display, and a great game.
Nani is less reliable defensively, ManU needs high intensity help in midfield from its wide players.
Nani will come on later as a sub and try to do a Theo Walcott on tired Barca.
So in a way its a win-win argument on nani’s role, i think.
But Nani is also more of a goal threat. If Rooney is played on his own up front (which he should be), United need another scorer. I think Nani can play that role better than Valencia. Considering that Barca’s left back will not be too attacking, I don’t know that Valencia’s defense is absolutely vital (though it never hurts).
why should rooney play upfront on his own?
If United play a double pivot + Rooney, Xavi will simply have too much space to dictate the match. Rooney will try to deal with Busquets, but the other midfielders will need to combat the threat of Messi dropping deep (not to mention Iniesta and Xavi). Inevitably United will be outnumbered 4v3 in the middle. Park won’t be able to help, because he’ll have his hands full with Alves.
3 central midfielders, 2 attacking wingers, and a false 9 are also the tactics Arsenal used to win 2-1 at the Emirates. Rooney is one of the best false 9’s in the world, and can play the lone striker role better than Hernandez or Berbatov.
Matt, I think that your observation about the double pivot is spot on but I’m at aloss to think of a really ctrdible alternative. I quite like the idea of a 3-6-1 with Fletcher either sitting in front or man-marking Messi, but I don’t see any threat with this system(good if you possess a 1-0 lead though)
So, reluctantly I would settle for the 4-2-3-1, dangerous defensively because of the reasons you gave (I think that ground must be conceded wide with Valencia and Park tucking in) but it affords the players more counter attackung possibilities whilst being a familiar system.
I wouldn’t discount Fergie sending out his troops in an unusual formation -he often has brain waves in the highest profile matches- and 3 at the back whilst crowding midfield would be interesting to say the least.
“10. Berbatov must not play a single minute this game. He shouldn’t even be on the bench. It’s better have Michael Owen there than him. Berbatov simply has no role to play here.”
as a sub for rooney
For what purpose?
His technique and passing won’t make a difference, he has no real mobility which is disastrous against the pressing Barcelona and he won’t be able to press them well enough.
He simply cannot be a factor this game, he should not see any playing time, as harsh as it may sound.
very true, agree with that.
For his ability to hold uo the ball and relive the pressure when needed.
Barca’s Pressure is gonna be insane if Man Utd lead with about 20 minutes left.
Berba in this case will knock down the long balls and hold them up, reliving the pressure when doing so.
He is the best in doing so in Manchester so he will have to be in the bench at least.
rooney would do this so much better than berbatov, so push rooney up and get giggs or nani in behind him linking up. berbatov has so much ability but he has no heart and plays his own game. he cant be relied to do whats best for the team. if barca start roughing him up he will disappear
I’ve thought so much about this game. It’s occupied my mind for the last week. I’ve come to the very simple conclusion that over 90 minutes, United’s weakened midfield can not cope. That makes me sad because if it weren’t for that, this would be a fantastic match.
me too. got ma fingers crossed for a SAF genius to materialise
I just can’t see United coping with Andres Iniesta.
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Personally, I would be tempted to continue with the 4-4-1-1 Sir Alex has been playing recently. Messi, Xavi and Iniesta have far too much quality to be simply harried out of the game. And while constant pressing will make them loose the ball a bit here and there, it will also open up spaces for them. Defend with the front four (Rooney, Valencia & Park harry while Chica stays on the shoulder of the last defender) and the back six keeps it shape.
In Park & Valencia, United have two superb defensive wingers (though Valencia is much more than that) and if they can shackle Barca fullbacks, we will have a game on our hands. It will deny Barca width and without width, they are far less dangerous. Plus, it also forces Xavi/Iniesta/Pedro/Villa to drift wider.
On handling Messi: I really hope Sir Alex doesn’t try and make a game plan just to shackle Messi. For one, Messi’s too good to be shackled (Real did it with Pepe, but I don’t think United have a similar player). And secondly, the best way of diluting the Messi threat is to force him deeper into the midfield (which he will do if he doesn’t see too much of the ball initially.)
Giggs wont play.
I would go with the compromise of a 4-2-3-1 with chicharito up top and rooney on the left with park coming inside to shut down busquets. having Rooney cover busquets is waste because it forces United to put their most creative player in an area without space. Let him play the narrow left side role and have park add the third man in midfield.
Attack, don’t attack. Full press, half press, insy-teensy press. Ah, not long to go now to see how we’ve all made complete mugs of ourselves. Well, let me commit to copy my self-mugging off, just for reminiscence.
- Firstly, formation: I would go with a 4-2-3-1. Usual suspects everywhere, Hernanadez up top; but who to play as the two holding midfielders. I’m struggling on this one as I believe that these two players, by definition, need to be well drilled defensively. This leaves me with only Fletcher and AN Other. Any suggestions on the other candidate as they all seem lightweight to me?
- Style of play: For me, this has to be a strict containment and counter-attack job, ala Arsenal away. I think that United will get lost if they try to play through Barca, so stick to a tried and trusted formula that the players are used to. Try and get Valencia into the game as much as possible. No experimental tactical shizz please, Sir Alex.
- Mind games: I must say that I’m a little surprised that Fergie hasn’t said anything about Quark or Biscuits; and their propensity to, ahem, over react. I’m not sure whether there’s one last presser tomorrow -I’m quite sure their isn’t- so today seemed the best chance to try and influence the officials judgment.
This hardly seems like gamesmanship when you’re truthfully pointing out that these guys are well versed in the art of deception. I don’t think that this would have been a bad move as all the little un’s are adept at hitting the ground when they feel they’ve lost control of the ball and are about to be out-muscled. Through a combination of Barca’s prestige, ace tumbling and the referee’s own footballing culture, they get away with this often.
As Barca play the majority of their games in the futsal league that is La Liga this hardly raises an eyebrow, but, this is a well rehearsed and oft ignored part of their game; and they’re brilliant at it. Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Villa and Pedro are all tiny; and although they very rarely lose possession, they know that they cannot compete physically so resort to any and all methods. As the majority of the crowd will surely be United supporters, and the game is being played in England (that means that there won’t be half as much whistling when a United player has the temerity to challenge a Barca player and the United supporters shall surely be most vocal when Biscuits et al hit the deck for the umpteenth time – we’ve seen how arsey the Blaugrana get when everything isn’t going swimmingly), I’m surprised that Fergie didn’t mention this so as to attempt to influence the ref. I suspect that United may have to a bit of tackling tonight.
Mou ?
There are a lot of people who have seen 1 Barcelona game all season, apparently. I’m not trying to start trouble here, but this is ridiculous. Please, watch more than 1/50th of somebody’s season before commenting on them.
I have to admit, “ace tumbling” is quite the mantra. Perhaps you can softly repeat it to yourself as you cry yourself to sleep tonight.
I wonder why Nani is never mentioned – is it due to his poor defensive abilities?
Great, as always. But I was looking forward to reading more about how Barcelona can beat Manchester United as well. Every single comment and article talks about how Man U can stop Barca, with different strategies and formations. I know this is a big complement towards Barcelona, as Sid Lowe said in an interview, but I would still enjoy reading more about how Barca’s tactics can stop United. Most of what I read in other sites is: Barcelona have this problem here and here, and Man Utd can do this and this to exploit it, which will give them the advantage. I want to read the same thing, except talking about Barcelona’s attack beating United’s defense. You mentioned a bit about Vidic not really liking fast players, and the chance of Iniesta getting a bit more freedom, but surely there are more advantages that Barca have?
No Giggs or Hernandez for me. I think Fergie will go with a 4-5-1/4-3-3 with the energy of Park, Fletch & Carrick in the middle, Nani and Valencia wide of Rooney – at least until 60 mins or needing a goal, whichever comes first. That leaves Giggs, Scholes and Hernandez in reserve in case they need to change the game. (I think a fresh Hernandez would be a real pain in the neck if you are a tired CB, likewise I think Giggs/Scholes might only find time on the ball if Barca are tired late on.)
Nani of course would be a gamble on the left for a number of reasons, but he would give a great out ball if Alves is caught high-up and is a good goal threat. I also think Park could give him a hand dealing with DA coming forward. With Rooney occupying Sergio at times.
I can also see Barca trying to surprise Utd a little. Maybe if one of the twins is at RB, he may swap Messi and Villa to test their temperament for a time during the game.
Really looking forward to it.
Awesomely detailed preview! From ManU’s point of view I’d go with the second option ZM proposed, i.e. 3 central midfielders. Anything 4-3-3ish works well against Barca, especially when the lone striker (here: Rooney) drops deep when out of possession in order to disturb Barca’s (Busquet’s) build-up play.
If ManU indeed opt for that (benching Hernandez), then there is no reason for Barca not to play with Puyol and Abidal in their regular positions. Considering one of Manu’s tactics will be corners/freekicks delivered to Ferdinand/Vidic, so having a surplus of tall and strong players should be an aim of Barcelona then.
Generally, I think Barcelona will win it. Manu are, despite being more experienced, worse than Real Madrid, for instance. Especially in the crucial central midfield they seem to be lacking speed, stamina and muscle. Also their two CB’s might prove too slow for Messi/Villa/Pedro.
2011 parameters are completely different from 2009 for both teams.
In 2009, Manu is the dominant, but today it is absolutely Barca.
However, Manu is not a Real Madrid and Ferguson is not a Jose Mourinho.
Mourinho has tried to destroy ‘the midfield control center’ of Barca with anti-football moves, but Ferguson has more positionally-clever and skillful midfield players in hand, such as Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson, Giggs, Park, Valencia and Scholes..
Therefore, this game will be the toughest game of the season for Barca..
If they played the final against Real Madrid, I wouldn’t say that.Because, it is more easier to open the locks that Mourinho created when you have aliens such as Messi, Xavi and Iniesta.
As to Manu, a really stressfull night is waiting for Pep in my opinion.
Ferguson’s right back choice will be crucial. I think he should prefer Valencia for this position. Left flank is the softest side of Barca. Manu should use Nani and Valencia together on the right to disturb Barca defence frequently.
In the opposite side; Evra – Giggs collobration is ideal. Fletcher – Carrick – Anderson trio in the middle is also ideal for Manu to match up strongly possible Barca trio (Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets).
The names I set above for Manu 11 are the ones that minimize the bite power of Barca. The difference creators will be Rooney, and Ferguson’s substitution preferences for Manu side. Park, Chicarito and Berbatov should not be forgotten at the bench. Both players have ability to change the balance of the game.
From the view of Barca, there is no need to change anything. It is enough to use Villa on the left and Pedro on the right.. Sometimes, Pep inexplicably starts with the opposite of it (Pedro on the left and Villa on the right) and that decision spoils the offence balance and deployment of the team.
It is a fact that the ball possession percentage of Barca will decrease in this game. However, this should not also decrease the concentration and determination of Barca players. The aggresiveness level is another crucial aspect. It is highly possible that both teams might lock the game in the midfield and the game would extend till the penalties.
When Valencia played RB against Chelsea he was brilliant,very disciplined,and certainly has the pace and strength;
VDS
Valencia Ferd Vid Evra
Nani Carrick Giggs Park
Rooney
Hernandez
Pace,energy,creativity all over the pitch !
Discipline and physiality isn’t enough to counter a world-class forward like Villa, playing anything other than a defender would be a recipe for disaster. Plus, he struggled big-time (caught out of position) as a RB vs Blackburn.
Also, I tend to trust our 1st choice back four…
Rubbish Man United arn’t even the second best team in the world,Real would destroy them.It doesn’t matter if United got to the final,the fact remains they have yet to play a good team in the CL yet(Arsenal,Real,Bayern,Barca,Shaktar).Today they are in for a shock.
I hate these average speed done by Castrol Index & others, just taking stats from the times that you sprint isnt accurate at all [considering tactical jobs given to different players]. Messi Ronaldo Kaka Lennon are all quicker players [off the top of the head] than him.
It is catch 22 for Fergie, playing 4411 with Hernandez will give Barca even more midfield dominance even if Rooney try to drop onto Busquets because they manuever the midfield 3 to lose him as Arsenal did 4 weeks back @ the Emirates.
However 5 of the midfielders and strikers have energy and speed to help break on the counter.
What website would have players line-ups first, or am I best off just watching a reputable live coverage?
Uefa.com usually
Thanks
Villa in the left, Pedro in the right, obvious..
Another great read on Man Utd tactics, from Barcelona Football Blog:
http://tinyurl.com/3k3qhmr
what about:
VdS
O’shea Ferdinand Vidic Evra
_____________Carrick
_______Fletcher Giggs
________________________Park
_________________Rooney
_____________Hernandez
This basically concedes possession to Barca’s left-back; whether that’s Puyol or Abidal, that’s who you want in possession.
It’s quite a negative line-up, and means Barcelona will always have an out ball, but it represents United’s best chance of keeping them out, while still having the threat in behind of Hernandez
ok that diagram went horribly wrong, what i meant was:
____________________VdS____________________
________O’shea Ferdinand Vidic Evra________
__________________Carrick__________________
_________Fletcher________Giggs____________
___________________________________Park____
______________________Rooney_______________
________________Hernandez__________________
still not quite right but hope the idea is obvious!
Then Pep would just put Adriano on at half time,plus not play any wingers against Barca,thats your best chance of getting at them.
For me, that Man United midfield is just way too flimsy to deal with Barcelona. There’s a danger of it being another resounding victory for Barcelona because as much as we like to talk about Chicharito’s pace (as if Messi, Pedro and Villa don’t have any) and Mascherano’s weaknesses in defence, there’s just every chance that Barca might have c70% possession and pass United off the park.
Been intrigued by what Jonathan Wilson has written in his preview columns, pointing out that a United back 3 with a defensive holder in front to squeeze the space that Messi works in could have some joy. I’d be stunned if they tried it, teams don’t just throw out totally new formations for the first time in Champions League finals, it sets you on the back-foot psychologically, but I recall Sokratis Papastathopoulos doing a sterling job marking Messi at the World Cup (albeit in a 2-0 defeat), and could see Rio, who is a similar kind of player, doing something similar. Messi is guaranteed to score if he gets to drop off Vidic and turn, or at least get Vidic sent off. I really feel United need to do something to deal with that problem, or else they’ll comfortably lose.
Firstly very good preview, Zonal Marking.
What is the right way to play against Barcelona is anyone’s guess. Is it to press high, as Real Madrid have shown that you can win the ball back off Barca high up the pitch, or is it to sit deep, like Inter Milan did under Mourinho, concede possession and stay compact. I feel that a team has to be adaptable to any situation, and therefore both of these strategies may need to be used.
In my opinion (this is by no means correct), it is to sit very deep and narrow, and play on the counter attack. This is because Barca look to play through balls in behind the defence, but with a deep line, they will be unable to do this, and they will have to take long shots and not walk the ball into the net. By playing narrow, they will not be able to pass the ball through Man Utd, and they will then resort to getting the ball out wide and putting crosses, which is what Man Utd would want.
I would play a 3-5-2 with O’Shea, Ferdinand and Vidic forming the back three, Valencia and Evra on the flanks, with Fletcher, Carrick and Scholes in the middle and then Rooney playing off Hernandez.
Three at the back is needed in order to watch and be able to mark all of Barcelona’s off the ball runs and it allows the team to be able to deal with balls into the box easily. It also allows Vidic the freedom to close down Barca’s attackers, knowing that the other two will be covering him. I have chosen O’Shea as he is able to cover Valencia in the right back area, because he can play in both the right and centre back positons well.
Valencia will play a more attacking role than Evra on the opposite flank as whoever Barcelona play at left back will be less atttacking and dangerous than Dani Alves. However, Valencia is still required to track back and watch the right full back zone. Evra must watch Dani Alves’ runs inside, and for this reason he wil be less adventurous when going forward than Valencia.
Man Utd require a player with the positional discipline to sit in front of the back four and watch Messi (not man mark him). Carrick is, in my opinion, the only player who can fill this role, even though there are questions over his mobility, defensive ability, and when with possession and under pressure. For many of you, Scholes would be a surprise choice, but he is the only Man Utd player who has the ability to play counter attacking initiating passes behind the opposition’s defence or down the flanks. Someone who has good stamina and good defensive ability is neeeded to cover for Scholes in the defensive phase, and there is no better Man Utd player who can do this than Fletcher.
Chicharito will put the Barcelona defence in two minds and they will not be sure whther to drop deep to counter this, which would hamper their normal high pressing game, as well as giving Rooney, aplayer of suck high quality, more space to work in. Rooney may also pull out left at times to provide some width and exploit the space left by Dani Alves. When defending, Rooney will have to man mark Busquets, as even though he does not possess the same creativity as Xavi, Iniesta or Messi, he is the player who Barcelona look to recycle possession through and he therefore completes a very high number of passses. Hernandex would look to press Barcelona’s centre backs, however I amnot sure whther this would be a good thing, as he would waste a lot of energy and Barcelona’s centre backs have such good first touch and passing that he would not be able to win the ball off them alone, although he may force them to make a mistake.
Substitutions wise, Man Utd have Smalling eho can provide defensive cover, the da Silva brothers, Park and Anderson who can provide energy and contribute to the counter attacking phase. Berbatov can hold the ball up, and whenever Owen’s on th pitch, you feel like he can always nick a goal. Giggs and Nani are versatile attacking midfielders with lots of trickery, and are very good substitutes to have. I am aware that Ferguson can not have all of these on the bench, but this shows the strength in depth his squad possesses.
I feel that even though Rafael and Fabio have bundles of energy, their inexperienc may cost United. Also, you want to trengthen the centre of the park, where Barcelona will look to play through, so you only require one wide player on each side. This is the reason why I ahve not chosen Park, as even though he has high stamina and good marking skills, he does not have the positional discipline to play the ‘Fletcher’ role. Anderson could play this role, and even though he would make good late runs into the area, which is ideal for counter attacking football, Fletcher’s defensive qualities give him the nod. Nani does not have the defensive qualities to play against Barcelona, where he would spend most of the time defending. Many of you will be wondering where Giggs is, and the reason is that he likes to take his time on the ball, dribble past an opponent, before giving a pass, which he would not be able to so against a high pressing side like Barca. Even though he posses incredibly good tamina for a 37 year old, he isn’t able to do the same job and the dirty work of Fletcher.
When the ball is in front of the Man Utd midfield, only Rooney and Hernandez press. When Man Utd win the ball, they should look to give the ball to Scholes, who will then play a long counter atttacking pass to Rooney, Valencia or Chicharito, who will be also supported by Fletcher and Evra.
Having said all this, I expect Man Utd to play the same formation and line up as against Shalke in the first leg.
As for Barcelona, they will just play like Barcelona!
Sorry for the essay, any comments and thoughts on this are much appreciated, and I would like to know what your take is on this, Zonal Marking.
i agree with just about everything you say. except i dont think utd should press with just rooney and hernandez, the 2 wingers should aswell-press there defenders 4v4. dont give barca the chance to play short balls into xavi, iniesta and busquets. if they do manage to get the ball to those 3 then its time to drop off and deny space, trying to press those 3 would be suicidal. but leave 3 players u the pitch to trigger counter attacks. barcas 2 CB’s wont go forward and LB doesnt venture far nor does busquets so utd can defend 7v6 if they cant cope with that then they dont deserve to be there. for every player utd drop back barca will push 1 more up. do the maths 9v8(+11%) and 1v2(-50%) is less in utds favour than 7v6(+14%) and 3v4(-25%)so it makes sense to leave 3 players up than just the 1
Barcelona are the favourites, and that is almost entirely to do with the ‘carousel’ of death that is Messi/Xavi/Iniesta. United have to negate this, Barca’s greatest strength, whilst playing to their own strength and Barca’s weakness – counter attacking down the flanks with numbers and pace, and getting balls into the box. I think Man United have got to try and win, rather than trying to stop Barcelona, and this means pressing them and stopping them from playing – they need a high energy, defensively disciplined midfield in order to do this. This strategy may not be possible because of injury restraints, but I think that Carrick or Giggs on Xavi or Iniesta is defensively suicidal. I don’t think telling a centre back to always follow Messi is the solution – he moves incredibly deep and very wide at different times, and since United don’t have a player with the range of mobility, discipline and strength to follow him everywhere, they needed to be well stocked in every area of the pitch – able to deal with Barcelona when they become a 4 man and a 3 man midfield. Simply, if Messi is high up the pitch, he’s the centre backs’ responsibility, and if he drops in, a midfielder picks him up (probably Carrick), with Rooney dropping in on Busquets to prevent a shortfall.
Park and Valencia are more than good enough to track the Barca full backs, Fletcher and Anderson (if fit) could potentially do good enough jobs on Iniesta and Xavi respectively, and I suppose Giggs might be good enough on Xavi at a push, but you definitely need someone mobile and strong like Fletcher or Park to stop Iniesta. Carrick then sits at the base of the midfield, and he really needs to have a good game, defending well as the rest of the United midfield swarms all over the Barca midfield, and responsible for instigating attacking moves – United need him to regularly spread the ball to the flanks, and Evra and Rafael would play at full back, bravely charging forwards on the break to exploit Barca on the flanks.
VDS/Rafael/Evra/Ferdinand/Vidic/Fletcher/Carrick/Anderson/Park/Valencia/Rooney.
Defensively, if they all play well, I think that this team can stop Barcelona, matching and pressing them in midfield, dealing easily with any balls into the box and probably just generally having the strength and positional ability to provide an effective block in front of Van Der Sar’s goal. Offensively then, can they outscore Barcelona? I think they just might be able to. Valencia will get joy against whoever plays at left back, but Park will need to be brave and really attack Alves – something he is getting better at, and Evra and Rafael, as mentioned, are excellent at getting forwards, they could well help overload the Barcelona defence, whilst Rooney will be important in pulling players out of position. Anderson and Fletcher’s energy would also be important at getting forwards to support counter attacks – United need numbers in the box. If the scores are still tight with little time left, United could be in a position to go for the win – they need to be less tired that Barca though, something which requires an excellent defensive performance, holding onto the ball where possible (this is why Carrick is so important and Scholes could have a deep role to play) to tire them as well as putting men under pressure without going TOO mad and running yourselves into the ground. Anyway, if they find themselves in that position, they have options off the bench. Nani coming onto the left with Park replacing (the probably tired) Fletcher/Anderson in the middle could be a nice decision, and obviously Hernandez and Berbatov could be great options for different reasons. If Carrick or any of Man United’s defensive players has a bad game, then United will really be up against it, though, and they need to be at their strongest defensively and most lethal on the break.
Man Utd should flood the central midfield with a 3-6-1:
GK – van der Sar
CB – O’Shea
CB – Ferdinand
CB – Vidic
RWB – Valencia
DM – Carrick
DM – Giggs
LWB – Evra
CM – Rooney
CM – Park
CF – Hernandez
Excellent tactic and best one to beat Barca!
you’d essentially be asking evra to cover pedro and alves. numerous midfielders may be important to possesion and central dominance, but so are fullbacks. with the attacking nature of modern fullbacks, a 4231 is essentially a 2431 or 271 which has even more possession opportunities.
Even accounting for contemporary methods of notation (which place full-backs deeper than they actually play) the 3-6-1 can facilitate a more effective midfield by bolstering the centre of defence. Playing a fluid high-possession team like Barcelona, Man Utd might be better fielding just two designated wide players who can push on down their respective flanks (even more than conventional full-backs) as a result of the formation’s reinforced central trunk. These wide players should not be too exposed: the team configuration works longitudinally as well as latidudinally, with the central midfielders able to help out in wide areas without the team being too stretched.
Liverpool beat Chelsea this year playing 3-6-1, and also won the Champions League in 2005 with a three-man central defence deployed in the second-half. In addition, Greece used 3-6-1 to good effect in the Euro 2004 quarter-final against France. The only problem is that, on the aforementioned occasions, the opposition played 4-4-2 in response, and 3-6-1 sets up quite nicely against 4-4-2 (particularly the diamond). 3-6-1 could also work against a narrow 4-5-1, and Barcelona (and Spain) sometimes adopt a tapered 4-5-1 approach; but it also tends to be a very flexible approach, so Man Utd will need to be flexible in response. If Villa and Pedro keep wide and push on down the flanks then this would force the wing-backs under 3-6-1 to retreat and/or stretch the central defence excessively. However, if this happens, then the team picked above morphs into 4-4-1-1 quite easily with Evra joining the back four and Park moving to left-midfield. But 3-6-1 could prove a useful addition to Man Utd’s repertoire tonight, as it’s perhaps the only practical way to outnumber Barcelona in central midfield – and this might be the only way to stop them!
If I were SAF, I would start with three defenders, but not with a classic back-three. One player helping against Pedro and Villa but also being able to step forward to the defensive midfield.
Then I would man-mark the Barca-Full-Backs, pack the midfield with players and trying to hit them on the break with 2 pacey forwards, Hernandez and Valencia.
So to sum it up: Like this:
http://bit.ly/k1Qi2H
wondering what people think of these rumors of Man Utd playing a 3-4-3 if Utd go a goal down? Personally I think they should start with it, in this line up:
Van Der Sar
Smalling Ferdinand Vidic
Fabio Fletcher/Anderson Giggs Park/Evra
Valencia Hernandez Rooney
Ronney could tuck inside and leave Park/Evra to deal with Alves – this leaves Rooney effectively playing in his usual partnership with Hernandez. This formation also crowds the midfield, without having to play Rooney upfront alone in a 4-5-1. Finally a back three (or back five without the ball if Evra plays) might be better for dealing with the wealth of attackers Barca provide.
Yes it’s gimmicky, but apparently Man Utd have been practising something similar to this for a couple of weeks (according to hte Telegraph).
crowds the midfield? this essentially asks the back three to go 1v1 with barcelona’s front three or ask the wingbacks to come all the way back and force the wide forwards to stay wide and pick up the fullbacks. this then leaves 2 central midfielders against barcelona’s 3-4 cental players depending on the positioning of messi. busquets would surely stay in midfield given only one opposing striker, but messi would probably choose to stay high up the pitch so as to give united no spare man at the back. They could even switch to their older triumvirate shape with messi on the right an pedro on the left with villa through the middle so as to stretch a back three. back threes can’t handle 3 forwards http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/08/09/three-man-defence-three-man-attack/
Would it be better for Barca to play with Abidal or with Mascherano?
Abidal will start. He pretty much made his recovery for this. He played the 2 Barcelona games after his comeback, and has had 2 more weeks for rest.
One of the frequent suggestions on ZM is to play 3 at the back, with two wingers (e.g. Evra and Valencia) who have defensive responsibilities.
3 at the back is probably a bit more solid at dealing with a team like Barcelona playing quick balls in the box or trying to dribble past defenders, and allows one defender to step out to deal with Messi if necessary.
3 at the back also frees up a position to crowd the midfield more, though it seems to sacrifice a bit of attcking width if Valencia and Evra have to help out the defence most of the time. If the only threat from the the left was Barcelon’s full back, this could mean Valencia is free to move up a bit more, but Iniesta would surely take advantage of the space out left and join Villa down there. Perhaps someone like Fabio (playing midfield) should be charged with helping the flank whenever it’s getting overloaded thanks to Messi or Iniesta drifting wide, so Valencia doesn’t have to be as focused on defence. So there’s the threat from United on the right side.
On the other side, Evra probably should stay back more to cope with Dani Alves, so the threat from the left should come from Rooney drifting wide to take advatage of Dani Alves’ runs forward. I think Busquets may be unwilling to track Rooney doing this because he doesn’t want to vacate the centre. Rooney in this position can run with the ball and play passes in for Hernadez’s runs, possibly setting up chances.
I can see your point about playing Hernandez, although when you play against Barça you have to make a choice about either “confronting” them or to soak up the pressure and hit them on the break. While the latter may seem more prudent, it’s only a choice that is available for teams who are tactically focused and are comfortable in forfeiting the ball to the oponents, i.e. Italian teams. I can’t see Utd doing it. It’s against its game philosophy and I really can’t see them having the mental strength to endure it. It’s too much for a team that is used to having the ball and attacking. Sooner or later a less focused player would commit a mistake and Barça would strike hard.
I think Man Utd should try to confront Barça instead of merely allowing them to play at their wull. They should, as all teams that play against Barça, explore their attacking left wing. Dani Alves is a superb player but he’s easily caught outside position. Real tried to explore it, but then again they were too focused on preventing Barça to score that they didn’t grasp their chances. Rooney should be the player used to explore this gap, drifting from the center to the left.
But to do so, it’s also important to have another player that can enter to the center, and prevent Barça center-backs and Busquets to deal with a lonely Rooney. Hernandez would be the obvious choice – although him entering the game at a later stage to explore tired legs would be a good plan – but I would try Anderson playing more close to Rooney. I think that Ferguson doesn’t quite understand Anderson abilities and insists in playing him as a center midfielder. He excelled at Grêmio as left winger and at Porto as an offensive midfielder in direct support of the forward. He could be used very effectively in this role tonight.
Regarding Barça, while Guardiola must decide how offensive his full-backs should be (playing against Valencia and Park they shouldn’t have much trouble in doing so), the key point is how much trouble will United midfield create to their carrousel. Honestly, I feel that a partnership between Carrick and Giggs will be easily overrun by Barça, if they don’t have adequate support, namely in preventing that either Busquets, Mascherano or Piquet going forward. While all eyes will be on Messi and Iniesta, Villa and Pedro will be the main treats. Utd full-backs are either slow (O’Shea), bad at preventing diagonals to the center (Evra), or tactically immature (Fabio and Rafael). This will put more pressure to Ferdinand and Vidic, and I expect that Rio will be playing more as a sweeper as Vidic will be more focused on Messi.
I just hope it’s a great game.
Cant wait for the review.
I believe that Ferguson have made a terrible mistake by playing with Carrick and Giggs in the central of the park. They were almost invizible after the first 10 minutes. After Fabio was substituted, why Nani ? The ideea of Valencia being in the first 11 was that Nani can’t defend, yet Nani came on instead of a full back. Personally I think that this match had been lost by Man UTD before it even started. I’m sorry to say it, but I’m deeply dissapointed by Sir Alex (who I respect).
Agreed on most parts (see my comment above).
A) Manu would have needed three central midfielders (instead of two plus Chicharito) plus Rooney as false nine. Rooney dropping similary deep as Messi does, that is.
B) Fabio was substituted because he was half injured. I think the Nani substitute (with Valencia becoming RB) made sense, because Manu’s whole right side (Valencia, Nani) became more offensive. And they needed a goal.
C) Van der Sar could/should have done better against the shots of Pedro and Messi. Time to get a new goalie next season, Manu.
I totally agree with you miLaNr. I expected SAF to have some aces up in his sleeves, but he just threw out his usual “big game line-up”. As long as Rooney was marking Busquets, Manchester seemed quite competitive, closing down The opponents well. But at some point in the first half, maybe because they were not penetrating enough in the final third, SAF told Rooney to go forward but Rooney disagreed with him and Ferguson got mad and instructed him again to do so and that its his decision. At least this is, what my poor lips and body language reading skills told me. I think from that point on, United lost more and more control of the game. since one of the Barcelona central midfielders was left unmarked and able to dictate play.
I would have loved to see Rooney as the lone striker or at least anything like that. You cant play Barcelona without adjusting to them, you cant just put your standard line-up on the pitch and think you will dominate Barca in any way.
but last but not least: congrats to barcelona, great performance, one of the most enjoyable CL finals, thats for sure.