Lessons from the 2009 final (part one)

The starting line-ups
As this season’s Champions League final is a repeat of the final from 2009, it’s well worth taking a look at that contest before Saturday night’s game.
The footage, if you’re interested, is available on YouTube here (with the following parts on the links down the right-hand side).
Here are five conclusions from that match – five more (plus the usual preview) to come.
1. Manchester United pressed excellently early on
“I didn’t expect Manchester (United) to press up so high up,” Pep Guardiola said after the game. “They pressed 4 v 4 and caused us problems for the first pass.” This worked really well – United forced Victor Valdes into a mistake within the first 15 seconds of the match, won a throw, and then spent almost the entire first ten minutes in the Barcelona half, attempting five shots in that time.
There was a tactical factor to the Barca goal – the surprise of Samuel Eto’o starting on the right, and Lionel Messi in the centre – but it was more down to individual mistakes. Michael Carrick let Andres Iniesta drift past him, Nemanja Vidic was turned far too easily, and Edwin van der Sar will have been disappointed with his effort for the goal. United started the match very strongly, and they went behind due to individual – not tactical – errors.
2. Barcelona didn’t press intensely
We’re used to Barca closing down high up the pitch these days, but in this match Manchester United’s centre-backs were given a fair amount of time on the ball. Eto’o and Thierry Henry dropped back and Barcelona often looked willingly like 4-1-4-1 without the ball, which is relatively rare these days – it only happens when they’re under sustained pressure.
It’s unlikely to be a similar situation in this game – Pedro Rodriguez and David Villa work much harder without the ball, and Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic will come under pressure much more quickly.
3. Michael Carrick played reasonably well on the ball
Often remembered as having a nightmare in Rome, Carrick was the only player who was really attempting to get United playing. OK, a couple of his through-balls were overhit, a couple of his long diagonals were underhit, but the problem wasn’t really Carrick, as such – the problem was that there was no creativity from higher up the pitch, so Carrick had to act as the main playmaker.
Nowadays, Carrick plays a much simpler game. His passes are shorter because he plays with wide players who like the ball in different positions – with Wayne Rooney and (in the second half of the 2009 final) Cristiano Ronaldo on the flanks in 2009, they wanted to run onto the ball in advanced positions. Now, with Antonio Valencia and Park Ji-Sung more classic wide midfielders rather than forwards, Carrick can do his job by playing simple balls into feet. Even when under pressure, he should be able to do that fine.
4. Messi in the centre was the surprise in 2009 – now, it’s the norm
This played its part in the first goal, as outlined earlier, and in the second, when Messi headed in Xavi Hernandez’s cross. It’s amazing how confused United were about Messi’s false nine positioning, and how they don’t react to the situation at all. Late in the first half, for example, Messi drops into a deep slightly right-of-centre position, and Patrice Evra comes high up the pitch to close him down – as if he was still used to Messi playing as a right-sided forward. It should have been the domain of one of the centre-backs, or one of the central midfielders.
Messi’s central positioning is now established – he played there for much of last season, and this campaign the number ten position is his default role. That doesn’t mean he’ll be easy to stop, and there are still question marks about whether it’ll be a midfielder picking him up, a defender picking him up, or a purely zonal system – but it won’t be as chaotic as in 2009.
5. Daniel Alves wasn’t playing
Suspended after being booked in the semi-final against Chelsea, Alves watched on from the stands. Carles Puyol was forced to play at right-back instead, and naturally played a much more defensive role than Alves would have.
There’s two ways to look at this. On one hand, United aren’t used to his energetic runs from deep positions down the touchlines, and will need to make sure their left-winger (probably Park Ji-Sung) is alert to the danger. On the other, Barcelona were down the flanks – Rooney was quiet, in particular, and Ronaldo in his centre-forward position was the main danger. Guardiola instructed his full-backs to sit deep against Real Madrid to prevent the diagonal balls catching Barca out, and considering that (possibly accidental) tactic also worked well against United in 2009, he might opt for the same strategy here.
Lessons from the 2009 final (part one)




Interesting read.
I don’t understand why Ferguson didn’t do anything about Messi playing as a false nine instead of his (back then) usual right flank position. Fergie is a good tactician with great experience, but in the final he was just left paralyzed.
It’ll be interesting to see how he sets up this time to defend Messi. Perhaps Barca surprises him again, playing him on the right flank this time
I can’t wait for saturday to see how he will set up tactically this time.
fergie has never been a great tactician. it took him a number of years just to realise that the reason united weren’t dominating europe like they should was because they were simply being outnumbered 3 vs 2 in the middle of midfield. However, he is fantastic at organising his team defensively.
You are right. In terms of tactical abilities, Mourinho and Hiddink are better than Fergie.
Agree on that Fergie has never been a great tactician, but it’s also true there wasn’t any change he could make.
United’s initial tactic was to press early and score in 10 minutes and defend for the rest of the time. But they conceded far too early. Plus they were without Scholes and Fletcher, resulting in short of available options in the midfield centre. Anderson was even worse two years ago and Giggs wasn’t a great central midfielder at the point.
what i wonder is how big of an effect playing in england will have on the match
Thanks for pointing out that Carrick was actually one of United’s better players that night. I posted the same thing on the Guardian the day after the game (see link above) — but I guess the ‘Carrick never recovered from Rome’ narrative has just proved too compelling for fans and journalists…
Even I got into it, and I’m a Carrick fan. I’ve been defending him since then – “Ok he wasn’t great but it wasn’t all his fault” – but actually, he did quite well…
I agree with both sentiments – Carrick has had some knee problems, so people really concocted that “night in Rome” narrative when he just needed surgery. He’s been United’s most consistent centermid this season, so perhaps a shot at quasi-redemption (from good to great?)
He was OK but I felt that his passing accuracy was needed more in one or two instances higer up the pitch e.g. he could have played Rooney in with a simple accurate ball in the second half from the edge of the D but he overhit it.
I agree – his strength is finding the open man, not really playing dangerous dagger balls into space. Still, he (and Anderson) passed reasonably well out of Barca’s press.
when looking back in the first half it was more like 4 v 2 in the midfield with giggs high up alonside ronaldo and this could be another reason why anderson and carrick were not passing properly as they were getting pressed quickly
It seems a key factor to the caginess was Alves’ absent as he’s the one who, in some senses, sets the dynamics for Barcelona, stretching the play and committing players. With two strikers on the wings, it was more functional from Barca. Still,
Park v Sylvinho just seemed a waste in regards to Utd’s tactics. Why was a hard-working and somewhat unspectacular player used to tackle a back-up left-back? Of course, he was part of the wider strategy of pressing but it may have been better for him to press Puyol and Ronaldo attacking Silvinho. Ronaldo on either wing may have been better than as a forward as Puyol doesn’t get forward as much. But again, we must think of the wider pressing strategy.
I think this season, like Arsenal did at the Emirates, not to press so high up as Barca tend to stretch the centre-backs but to make a wall in front of Busquets.
PS. Nice to see someone else who thought Carrick was one of United’s better players.
Yes, it seems to be that Ronaldo up against Sylvinho (or Silvinho, as you (and I) prefer!) was the right way to go. Still can’t really get my head around that one, to be honest.
When I was looking back at the 2009 final, it was as if Fergie just put out his European 11 (with Anderson in place of the suspended Fletcher) without much thought. I was thinking the same why was Park on the side of Sylvinho. We have seen in the chelsea games that Ferguson puts a player with good defensive abiliy on the side of Ashley Cole (Fletcher in the Stamford bridge league game and Valencia in home league game and CL away game).
Maybe Fergie wanted Park to help out in midfield and just leave Sylvinho to build-up play while having Ronaldo and Rooney pressing the back two and Puyol respectively… Much like Parks role on the left side in the last game versus Chelsea.
I was watching the youtube link to the match, and there was an amazing stat after 38 minutes. Barcelona had completed 140 passes, and Manchester United 138. That’s evidence of how well United’s pressing worked in the first half. However, Barca pulled ahead and began to dominate possession immediately after halftime, indicating exhaustion on the part of United’s players. I’d be stunned to see United press right out of the gate again.
That’s a very good point – that stat surprised me too!
Also I think its because Barcelona have simply improved since then,there even better at keeping posseision now.
Anderson deserves a lot of the blame for that first goal as well – he had a bad night, and United really suffered from the Fletcher ban. Of course, Fletcher is sooo far from fit that I’m not sure how the Red Devils midfield will line up. Can Giggs and Carrick really go two-to-two with the Iniesta-Busquest-Xavi beast?
SAF has gone 4-4-2 most of the season, so we’ll see. Still, I wouldn’t be surprised for him to push Rooney wide left, leave Chicharito alone up top, put Valencia out right, and have Park really do more defensive work in the center alongside Carrick and Giggs.
I’m not optimistic – Messi is a genius, but Chicharito has the pace to exploit Barca’s high line. Game on!
provided that barça will play a high line, and as ZM noticed it is possibile that guardiola may opt for a more conservative defensive line
I agree. Anderson was the most ineffective and inexperienced player on the United side. His inability was the source of the manutd’s weak midfield. He is very good in attacking sense against lesser oppositions but not a kind of player to be deployed against the likes of Barca, Chelsea, Real etc.
i think the threat from Hernandez (sorry, cant call him Chicarito, sounds stupid and it isnt even his real name..!!)will certainly play in Guardiolas mind. He has the movement and pace to really worry Barca’s starting CB’s in Puyol and Pique and as we all know he only needs half a chance in the six yard box to convert. Barca cannot afford to give him room in behind them and i think this may affect the way that Barcas fullbacks operate while he is on the pitch.
i thought Eto playes prima punta in the begining and guardiola change that with messi playing the false nine role after a few minutes
The fact that Iniesta drifted past Carrick should get Iniesta credit and not blaming Carrick, Iniesta can drift past pretty much every player in the world.
Totally! But since this is a tactics site I guess players individual quality doesnt play a great deal into why things happened that night??
Its not like Carrick allowed Iniesta to glide past him. Iniesta can glide past the best defender on his day. Carrick needed help. Where was Anderson?
Whatever Pep says, Dani Alves will find his way forward!
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I think Pep Might place Messi on the right again, just to see how UTD respond. Vidic and Ferdinand will be troubled by the pace of Villa if he does and he can easily switch back if need be.
yea possibly…that will surprised sir alex again!
no chance. The reason barca have been so dominant this season is because no one has responded to Messi in the false 9 role. It enables him to free himself up and give him extra space. To change that would be stupid.
I think Fergie needs to match up Barca’s formation only with a slightly more defensive & energetic variant. This would be my line-up:
RB: O’Shea
RCB: Ferdinand
LCB: Vidic
LB: Evra
RM: Valencia
RCM: Flecther
CDM: Carrick
LCM: Anderson
LM: Park
SS: Rooney
It would be basically a 4-6-0 formation which should hopefully improve Uniteds posession a little.
O’Shea has limited use against Barcelona’s speed and movement. Rafael/Fabio for me,
Yeah that’s a fair point, I really couldn’t decide on the right back position so just went for O’Shea as he is defensively solid.
Defensively solid to an extent, he’s pretty strong, good in the air, but neither are particularly useful attributes when he’s predominantly going to be up against Villa, and also Messi when he drifts out wide. Both Messi and Villa’s speed and movement would be too much for O’Shea, and if United are to press Barcelona high, I’d much rather the speed, tenacity and energy of one of the twins.
I wouldn’t say the twins aren’t defensively solid either, they just defend in different ways, but I watch pretty much all of United games, and I don’t see them getting caught out defensively very much. Rafael can be a little rash, and his desire to win the ball can lead to him being dragged into positions he maybe shouldn’t be, but that’s just the way he plays, but Fabio has been very impressive from what I’ve seen of him. He’s positionally good, wins quite alot of headers for his size, and is a little less rash than Rafael, so personally I’d go for him on Saturday.
A quick note on how I think the defence should line up. Being narrow is key in my opinion. Villa and Pedro like to situate themselves between the CB and RB, and also the CB and LB, so United must make sure Ferdinand is close to Fabio, and Vidic is close to Evra so the space between them is denied, which does make it harder to get in behind. Force them out wide and they are less effective.
Or united could go with a 4-2-3-1 but Rooney/Giggs in the middle of the three but not to close to hernandez but just ahead of fletcher and anderson.Then get the ball to valencia and nani out wide as soon as possible which would give united an out-ball as well as the pace to cause barca problems out wide.Hernandez’s movement in the channels would cause barca big problems if both barca fullbacks are vacant from that area.In short using Nani,Valencia and Hernandez on the counter could be devastating.of course that would mean leaving out Gihgs or Rooney.
RB:Rafael
LB:Evra
CB:Ferdinand
CB:Vidic
DM:Anderson
DM:Fletcher
CM:Rooney/Giggs
RW:Valencia
LW:Nani
ST:Hernandez
no hernandez to run in behind barcas high line?? surely he’s the first on the team sheet if united want to score.
apologies, comment above directed to “KJK1LL3R”
hernandez is there
Of course hernandez must be there.
Even Inter and Real Madrid put Eto’o and Ronaldo At the front, the pacey striker can be used for Counter attack
Absolutely intriguing game in prospect.
To an extent, I agree with your comments about Carrick. He wasn’t as bad as everyone made out in the final, he was just made a scapegoat, but having said that, it wasn’t his best game in a United shirt by any stretch of the imagination.
I’m a big Carrick fan as I’ve mentioned numerous times on this site, one of the most underated players in world football, but playing Barcelona just isn’t for him in my opinion, and playing him would be a mistake. When he’s pressed and hurried in posession he’s not as good, and he also lacks speed and mobility, and seeing as Barcelona press very relentlessly, and also play with so much speed and movement, I sincerely hope Sir Alex doesn’t go with him in the midfield.
Despite the fact Madrid overall came out second best in the series of games they had with Barcelona, I still think they provided some what of a blueprint on how to beat Barcelona. Mourinho recieved so much unfair criticism from the games, when in reality, he pretty much had it spot on, and everything was going so well until one of the main cogs in the machines was unfairly sent off, and of course they pretty much completely stifled Barcelona in the CDR Final. Anyway, Mourinho knew you couldn’t beat Barcelona by playing football, so quite simply tried to stop them playing, and United have a very good team to set themselves out to stop Barcelona playing. They’ve got speed on the wings for counter attacks, and the work rate and the energy in midfield to really get in Barcelona faces and disrupt them from playing their game.
I’d go for a midfield of from R to L; Valencia-Fletcher-Anderson-Park-Rooney – work rate, energy, discipline, and speed on the wings.
Fletcher’s job is Messi, playing between the lines, denying him space and picking him up, that leaves Anderson picking up and pressing Xavi and Park likewise but on Iniesta. Valencia and Rooney on the wings pressing high, and Hernandez splitting Puyol/Pique so your basically suffocating the options Barcelona have on the ball. Pressing high is risky against Barcelona, but a risk worth taking in my opinion.
Just a quick note on why I have Rooney on the left. Like Carrick, I think Park is a quality underated player, but I wouldn’t want him given the job of pinning Dani Alves back. Most people would put him on Alves because they know he’d do a job on him in defensive terms, but Park wouldn’t offer a great deal in attacking terms, and is Alves going to worry about bombing on if Park is the winger exploitng the gaps? Rooney by his very nature/reputation would make Alves more reserved, and Rooney is also a very hard working player, who wouldn’t neglect defensively tracking Alves, but would offer a more attacking threat than Park. Also I think Rooney would be marked out of the game by Busquets. Busquets does fantastic jobs on Rooney type players. Ozil/Sneijder both play ‘in the hole’, they like to play between the gaps in midfield and defence, twice Busquets marked them completely out of the game in the WC, and a player like Busquets would frustrate Rooney.
Can’t wait for this game!
Busquets does do a good job on those sorts of players – but bear in mind Rooney is a lot more physical/aggressive than Sneijder and Ozil. Actually I think Rooney v Busquets will be the key battle in this game…
i agree, one of the KEY match ups of this game, along with whoever Utd decide to play up against Alves in midfield…
Rooney might be more physical but when he isn’t given space he is a limited player,he can’t dribble at all if you don’t let him turn an make him pass it back you can keep him quiet and frustrate him.
This is such an interesting game tactically,2009 was a weird final,Barca had both Alves and Abidal suspended,yet they seemed so much better defensively,i think the key in this game is high-tempo and pressure up the field,much like most of that first half in the 2009 final,because Man Utd were brilliant i must say. Two things i believe Man Utd must do is exploit Alves and pressure Busquests. I can see Rooney and Hernandez starting,but with Rooney more left-side central positioned then just “off” the front man. I reckon he could exploit the space between Alves and Puyol (RB/CB Area),much similar to what Villa does.
In turn,Valencia (if starts) can tuck in slightly on the right in his defensive position as i dont see Abidal going too far up the pitch, and once Valencia receives the ball he can run directly at Abidal or the LB/CB Barca area and exploit it,i believe he could beat Abidal.
Concentration is abosultely key,much is made of the 2009 final and that performance,but in 2008,both semi-finals, Utd were brilliant, and need to be on top of their game. Also,to start Fletcher or not? Pepe was used brilliant with madrid in a DM role,and nullified Messi very well,but Fletcher is surely not up to match sharpness,nowhere near it,so could Carrick do this? Or even Anderson? its a tough ask for them,they will need to be so disciplined. So, Ji-Sung Park is going to be the key player in midfield,i can imagine him doing a similar job to what he did against Chelsea this season (and Milan last season),tuck in when his team dont have the ball and support Giggs and Carrick (seems like the most possible CM pairing).
VDS
Fabio Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick Giggs
Valencia Park
Rooney
Hernandez (4-4-1-1)
Rooney to drop back when without the ball,and when attacking Park and Rooney to exploit Alves and Puyol,whilst Hernandez tries to be a nuisance for Busquests and Pique,his movement will cause all sorts of problems,i hope ! Also i think Nani and Berbatov could still play a big part in this game,they have been brilliant for most of this season,Nani in particular,frustrating sometimes,but no doubt a match winner.
good starting 11 u selected. Cant see berbatov playing any part in this game tho if United want any possession! Not aggressive enough pressing the ball out of possession, plus united would benefit from a quick striker running inbehind barcas high line as opposed to a slower berb.
Your right,thats why i actually hope Nani starts,but i cant see it happening,yes he plays better on the right,but you would rather have him in the team then not at all,hes the type of player to really take on defenders. Im hoping for a cracking game !!
Good points about Valencia. More central when United don’t have possession to stop United being outnumbered, but wide and attacking Abdial when United do have possession.
Indeed,with counter-attack being key for Man Utd,Valencia could be a great outlet,much like what Walcott was to Arsenal earlier this season !
My prediction for Man U’s lineup:
4-4-1-1
RB: Rafael
CB: Ferdinand
CB Vidic
LB: Evra
RMF: Valencia
CMF: Carrick
CMF: Fletcher
LMF: Park
F/MF: Rooney
F: Hernandez
A couple of comments:
1. Most of Barcelona’s attacks start down the right side with Xavi, Busquets, Alves and Messi involved – So I think it makes sense that Man U responds by putting both Fletcher and Park on that side of the pitch.
2. I really wanted to find someplace on this XI for Giggs and I think Ferguson will to, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Giggs starts at RMF instead of Valencia. Incredibly, I think Nani is actually THIRD STRING at RMF for this game behind both Valencia and Giggs.
3. Anderson has been very inconsistent and did not show well in the 2009 final and Scholes is not fit so I just don’t see how Fletcher doesn’t start. Fergie trusts Fletcher and he’s the only player on Man U that even remotely resembles that kind of Inter/Real Madrid defender that has given Barcelona trouble – Big, Pacey, Strong.
4. I think Fergie and Man U have to start Rooney/Chicharito unless they want to be accused of playing negative. And those two on the pitch are really their only legit chance to score goals.
5. I think we can all agree that Man U’s bench is much, much stronger and they can really bring on some fearsome offensive players late in the game if need be – Nani, Berbatov and Giggs are all worthy of first team consideration and better than anything Barcelona’s bench can offer.
Sir, I would like to ask how do you relate to Jonathan Wilson’s piece (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/may/25/manchester-united-barcelona-champions-league) and his suggestion that Messi should be dealt with via a midfield player in a 3-3-3-1 “unthinkable” formation?
Interesting that Wilson pointed out that, although a 3-3-3-1 would be the ideal tactical system to use, it’s much more likely that Fergie will go with 4-2-3-1. It got me thinking that the best way to deal with Messi is to play a hybrid of both. By using a modern centrehalf in place of one of the centrebacks, someone who would be comfortable both in a back 4 when Messi plays high up the pitch, & also as a DM when he drops of looking for space. I don’t think that this will happen on Saturday, but it might be the blueprint for teams to use against this current Barca system in future.
Always thought about it, at the back of my mind, that Manchester United could play this formation against Barcelona, but…i think ZM will be a better judge of that,,i.e whether or not it’s plausible(with current Manchester United squad) to play such a formation against Barca…
Everybody keeps suggesting that United are going to play their standard 4-4-1-1. Am I the only one who thinks that will end in complete disaster? Park will be prevented from coming inside by the threat of Dani Alves, Giggs and Carrick will be overmanned and outclassed in the center, Rooney will be forced back by Barca’s possession dominance, and Hernandez will be utterly isolated and have to fight hopeless aerial battles against Pique and Puyol. If United really want to counterattack, they need a physical presence up front who can compete against 2 world class center backs. They should play Rooney up front, with Nani on the right providing a second goal threat, Park in the center closing down Busquets, and Fabio on the left to double up on Dani Alves. The double pivot would have Giggs and Fletcher, and the back four would be O’Shea and the rest of the standard back line.
For me an assessment of the match should start with a comparision of each team back in 2009 and now. In my opinion Man Utd are not as good in 2011 as they were in 2009, whilst Barcelona are improved.
Whilst people acknowledge that the quality of the better teams in the Premier League has declined they seem to be overlooking the fact that this Manchester United team is not very good and their season has been rescued by one man Hernandez. You have to give credit to them for achieving so much with the resources at hand but winning a poor Premier League and a kindly run of opponents in the Champions League doesn’t turn them into a team that is the usual standard of Champion League winners. Of course it’s a one off match and we all know that in football things don’t always go to plan, but it is hard to imagine previous Man Utd line-ups folding as tamely as they did to Manchester City in the FA Cup Semi-Final
People mention Mourinho’s Real Madrid and their success in recent games against Barcelona but in my opinion they did rely on spoiling, on turning the game into a niggle, whilst Man Utd will try and deny Barcelona space to play, I don’t expect them to stoop to the levels employed by Mourinho. Obviously UEFA will want a showcase game especially as this is the first major game after the shame of the World Cup Final and I strongly suspect the team of officials will be under instructions to properly punish foul play from the off.
Arsenal showed in the first leg second half against Barcelona that they can be rattled legitimately with an effective pressing game and that should be Man Utd’s blueprint, though trying to play like that for 90 mins might prove difficult.
The other question is what level of performance can Barcelona bring to the final, there were definite signs prior to the Arsenal games that their form was dropping – probably as the effects of a tough summer and short break kicked in, can they pick up their glorious form of November, December and Jaunary? Hopefully they are refreshed after a less intense two weeks or so.
Sorry no solutions here only questions.
I’d love if somebody more in-the-loop than me could give a quick summary on the fitness levels of the people United could play at CM (I thought everybody was fit?), and the people Barca could play at LB (Didn’t Adriano play recently, and Abidal came on the field 3 weeks ago, is there a chance he’s regained enough fitness yet?)
Abidal played 70 minutes in the last game – he should be good to start this Saturday.
I’d go for:
GK: VdSar
RB: Fabio
LB: Evra
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Vidic
RM: Valencia
LM: Park
CM: Carrick
CM: Giggs
F/MF: Rooney
F: Hernandez
Some small points: when defending, you’ll have obvious match-ups: Park-Alves, Rooney-Busquets etc, but maybe some minor tactical tweaks can be made here. Park will have to follow Alves all the way to the backline. When in possession on a counter though, Rooney will drift out to the left to exploit the gap. When in normal possession, Rooney will have to roam the pitch looking for space.
Hernandez will have to play on the shoulder, pressing the Barça defensive line back, which in turn creates some more space in midfield. With 3 ball playing midfielders as Rooney, Carrick, Giggs, this could be exploited. Usually Barça can press like they do because they have a high defensive line and as such have to cover less yards in midfield to press effectively.
As a final note: I’m sure SAF will have a surprise in his line-up. Maybe Fabio as left wing?
Now you’re talking!
Remember when Man U embarrassed Arsenal?
He beat them with a midfield of Rafael and Fabio wide and O’Shea and Gibson centrally!
Fabio wide left is a good shout, and to see the duel between Alves and him would be a joy!
Formation 3-5-2: Vds, Rio, Vidic, Smalling; Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs, Park; Rooney, Chicharito.
A close exmination of Barcelona in possesion shows great tactical flexibility. As soon as they win back the ball from the opposition, Dani Alves will charge upfield leaving a three man defence with Pique playing in the center of the three as an auxilliary sweeper. In essence, they play a 4-3-3 when they don’t have the ball and quickly switch to a 3-4-3 when with the ball. Another feature of their play is that they rarely, if ever, get to the touchline and cross the ball in for someone to head it in. Having all this in mind, a switch to 3-5-2 can negate the fluidity of their play and dare I say dominate the game and even win convincingly. Allow me to explain.
The most notable aspect of 3-5-2 is the absence of fullbacks in the formation, instead relying on wing backs who basically have to do the job of a winger and a fullback as one. As noted earlier, Barcelona don’t play with wingers and will cut in from the flanks all days instead of crossing the ball in. The fullback position becomes redundant. To compensate for this, Fergie can play 3 center backs ( Rio, Vidic and Smalling ) hence having the three Barca forwards each having a designated marker. Vidc and Smalling can play the role of tough tackling hasslers of the ball against Pedro and Villa, with Rio playing as a sweeper. Seeing as Messi likes to drop deep and charge through the center, he’d have to get through a designated deep-lying midefielder (Carrick) and still have to pass through three center backs to get to goal.
For the wingbacks, we have various versatile wingers and fullbacks who can play the role of bombing up and down the wing, simultaneously marking their attacking fullbacks while providing a lateral thrust when attacking. On the right side, Valencia gets the nod hands down. Strong, fast and tough as nails, he can succesfully mark their leftback out of the game while giving him nightmares when attacking like he did Cashley Cole in the league game at Old Trafford. On the leftside, Park Ji Sung has proved an invaluabvle player when given the specific tactical role of man marking a specific oppositon player. God knows how much we need this trait against a player of Dani Alves’ calibre. Fast and equally adept at bombing forward or tracking back, Patrice Evra can be another player whose tailor-made for that role much like Antonio on the other flank.
Now the best part about this formation is the fact that it allows you to have three midfielders in the center of the park without having to sacrifice a striker. Having the numbers to crowd out the midfield while having the luxury of Chicha and Rooney uptop is enough to make the most established of teams quake in fear. Ideally in football, the more compact team (one having the shortest distance between its defence line and attack) has a better chance of winning. Its why Barcelona push up their defence line so high, essentially having their defenders playing as midfielders. Chicharito being Chicharito will ensure the Barca back four have a busy night, drawing them ever nearer to their box. This will in turn push Busquets further back to close up the defence-midfield rift. The net effect of this will be to push Barcelona away from our box with Xavi and his midfield crew playing much further back than they usually play.
Now for all this to work, one player has to play his role to perfection. Luckily the player in question has been on fire lately and is our best player. Step forwrd Mr. Wayne Rooney. A sad memory from Rome is seeing Rooney almost playing as a leftback. Never will you see Barcelona playing Messi anywhere else aprt from his favoured role. Its imperative therefore that we utilise our best offensive player in his favoured position. In this formation, Rooney plays as the number 10, a link up between midfield and attack. It is the reversion back to this role that has seen him play the best football of his season. So play Rooney at 10 with the added responsibilty of dropping into midfield when we loose the ball. This leaves us with FOUR, yes four central midfielders at any given time when not in possesion. Don’t forget the three centerbacks behind them and the great dutchman playing his last game in goal. What this translates to is a compact system that is equally excellent at defending as it is attacking.
All this leaves us with the luxury of having Berba, Nani, Scholes, Da Silvas, Evra, Ando, Gibson and Owen on the bench. Depending on how the game goes, we have a strong bench that can help us hold on to a lead or have the final assault if need be. Crucially, we can switch back to four defenders when need arises or any other defensive/attacking formation as deemed neccesary.
I’d go as far as saying this is the best formation we can play with against Barca. The chances of it happening are alomost zilch though given Fergie’s tactical stubborness. The build up to the final is always laced with intense studying of the opponent and their favoured sysytem. As Guardiola showed in Rome by moving Messi frm the right to play as a false 9, switching up things for this one game can catch out the opponent off-guard and 90 minutes is a short time to recover.
Interesting, but what are the tactical flaws of 3-5-2, and are Barca equipped to take advantage?
only problem with that is ur still letting messi drop deep and dictate, he will peel off carrick too easily. plus it is still 4 v 3 in favour of barca in the centre. However hernandez and rooney up together vs the 2 barca centre backs will cause havoc and will create good chances as the barca pairing are shaky to say the least, although it doesnt seem that way cos barca dont face being attacked very often
What’s to stop the Barcelona players getting down the byline? They don’t like to do it, but if they’re given an open invite with 3 centre backs I doubt they’ll pass it up. I can imagine Messi drifting wide left with Iniesta, passing around Valencia, then dribbling into the box.
It is important to note that not only did Barca play in the 09 final without Alves and Abidal, Iniesta was basically playing with a thigh injury (he was told by doctors not to shoot during the match),and Henry was struggling with a knee injury before the game. Thus the defence was actually very shaky throughout the game and the attack wasn’t as penetrative as it could be, they basically won the game by utilising their possesion game to control the match after the first 10min.
For 2011 final, they are in much better shape compared to 09 final. The team did look extremely tired for the past 2 months (understandably so), but the first team players have had almost 3 weeks rest after they clinched the title, thus they should be quite fresh for the final even if they are not as fresh compared to the first half of the season. Man United are in great form and momentum for the past 2 months, and it be would be interesting to see how they cope with Barca.
As a Barcafan, I think playing park and rooney on the wings and hernandez in the centre up front will be a complete disaster for Manu. park will be tracking Alvez, so you have that flank dead, than Abidal is more than capable of tracking Roony. Hernandez is still unexperienced, and he may be dazzeled and shocked, when facing a top team like that for the first time in his life. I would play Nani, I remember him playing against spain in a friendly a couple of months a go,and he caused panic in the spanish defense. nani and Valencia as wingers and roony in the center, with hernandez as a supersub.
Nani won’t track barcas attacking full backs as well as valencia/park, so thats a problem already. Hernandez is perfect for playing barca, he presses aggressively out of possession, and runs inbehind defencesn with lightning pace e.g perfect against barcas high line. Rooney has pace but doesnt typically play on the last shoulder like hernandez. Fergie has also learned this season that hernandez isnt just one of the best strikers in world football but also is a big game player too.
Watching the 2009 vintage now. At half time my vote for worst player on the pitch easily goes to Giggs. He pushes far too far up the itch leaving Carrick and Anderson to deal with at worst Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and Busquets. Not only that but he has offered very little in the way of creativity that far up the pitch. As Michael pointed out, it often seemed left to Carrick to inject some creativity. Giggs should have dropped deeper once Barca came into the game. Anderson too was poor, but I blame Giggs slightly for that too, he didn’t stand a chance. Also it’s tough to pick who was more inneffectual out of Henry or O’Shea, one was past it and the other one was rubbish.
Believe it or not I was not too disappointed when Alves got his second yellow and missed the 2009 final. In the run up to the final I thought he was playing extremely undisciplined and his crosses were absolutely wretched. I was confident Puyol would play smart and would give the team a much more defensive back. And it all worked out well.
I trust that Alves will be held back until the game opens up. He is a solid defender and comes across well to help out whenever Pique may be beaten over the top.
1. the most vulnerable Barcelona we have ever seen. even losing against Numancia & Inter, they never looked so confused, out of sorts & nervous. Manchester lost the tie in those 10 minutes of superiority. this may never occur again, & Barcelona seem to have improved at winning games unconvincingly against teams that push them so far (Espanyol)
2. I think a combination of the nature of Manchester’s back four & Barcelona’s reluctance to play their normal game resulted in this. Vidic & O’Shea aren’t that dangerous on the ball, whereas Evra & Ferdinand need an outlet to exit the defensive phase, whether centrally or from the flanks. if the back four cannot create, why pressure them?
3. England most under-valued player. I remember Jol saying only him & SAF knew Carrick’s value in England. the media butchered him for “that” moment when Iniesta glided past him. it’s a technical issue, as I think the players were informed not to commit fouls in their area. the size difference when dribbling is always in Iniesta’s favour, as shorter players with their smaller movement span tend to dribble closer to the opponent, rather than move the ball/body further away
4. understandable issue, but SAF was never really blamed for not reacting to this tactic. with Messi dropping slightly deeper (FCB’s shape shifted to a very flexible combination of 3-4-3/4-3-1-2, with Henry & Eto’o switching between wide & central positions depending on Messi’s movement), Barcelona had almost played with no strikers. it seemed like they had 2 at the back, Busquets as a pivot, Xavi/Iniesta centrally, Messi slightly ahead & 2 sets of wingers when the fullbacks pushed. Manchester were easily outnumbered, & Barcelona have become better at keeping the ball as a group
5. Dani offers a unique outlet. I believe he’ll be very important in this year’s final. If SAF plays a winger behind Dani, the only way to counter this (albeit it being risky) is to involved Dani in the attacking phase high up the pitch. won’t this force the winger back? discipline & patience are key here. one successful counter attack is enough for Manchester
heard a nice point from Steve McClaren when he was on 5live. he said had asked Cruyff how Barca are able to do this unbeleivable pressing. he said the secret is that Barca rarely pass more than 5 yards anyway, so if the ball is nicked/lost ,that means 2 barca players are very close at hand to close down and get it back. it just seems as if there’s swarms of them putting in mega shifts. when actually, they aren’t running that far.