Real Madrid 1-1 Barcelona: Real fight back impressively, but gap remains eight points

The starting line-ups
A penalty each from the two Pichichi contenders saw honours even at the Bernabeu.
Jose Mourinho left out Mesut Ozil and brought in Pepe to give extra grit in the centre of midfield. Raul Albiol started at centre-back, and Karim Benzema got the nod upfront.
Pep Guardiola welcomed back Carles Puyol, allowing Sergio Busquets forward into his natural position. Elsewhere, it was as expected.
The first half was a bit of a non-event – the game started at a very high tempo, but for long periods there wasn’t a lot of good football played. Barcelona’s short passes were often misplaced early on, whilst Real’s longer balls were also wayward.
Pepe
The key tactical factor was Mourinho’s use of Pepe ahead of the back four. This always seemed likely to be a tactic at one stage in this four game series, but it was a slight surprise that it was used for this game, where Real Madrid pretty much had to pick up three points.
Pepe had a very good game – he was possibly the best player on the pitch. He didn’t man-mark Lionel Messi, he simply kept a sensible distance between the back four and the other two midfielders, and denied Barcelona space in that zone. He also provided the raw physical power that Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira lack, and put in some fierce tackles throughout the game. Messi still got space, of course – it’s impossible to completely stop him – but nothing like the time on the ball he enjoyed in the 5-0.
Approaches
Barcelona’s formation was nothing unexpected, though their strategy was slightly different to usual. First, since they didn’t absolutely need the win, the focus on possession was even more obvious at points in the first half. They kept the ball when often they would have looked to play the killer pass, and through balls came even later than usual in their attacks. This was also partly because Real pressed in the midfield – moves often went back to the defence, across to the opposite flank, and then re-entered the midfield.
There was also less obvious pressing from the front three – David Villa and Pedro Rodriguez seemed to drop deeper than usual and sometimes left Messi as the highest player up in a 4-1-4-1 in the defensive phase of play. Again, this owed something to Real’s strategy with the ball, which was to bypass the first press by playing long, direct passes, especially out to the flanks – Villa and Pedro rarely had to pressure Marcelo and Sergio Ramos.
Real’s strategy with the ball didn’t seem particularly effective as they created few goalscoring chances in the first period, but Ronaldo was an obvious threat and won a couple of free-kicks on the edge of the box in dangerous positions. Angel di Maria was less visible on the left, but Sami Khedira offered another option through the centre with storming runs forward. He lacked the creativity of Ozil, but in the early stages his energy was more useful than Ozil’s creativity would have been.
Ozil also put pressure on Barcelona when they had the ball deep in midfield – Real didn’t press particularly well as a unit, but Mourinho seemed happy just to make Barcelona work quicker in the centre of midfield, and the side was much more compact than at the Camp Nou.
Real were also a constant threat from set-pieces. The difference in height was obvious (an average of three inches per player, according to one source) and Barcelona looked a little desperate at times when the ball came into the box.
Second half
The key event of the game came eight minutes after the break, when Raul Albiol was dismissed for pulling down Villa in the box – a penalty, converted by Messi, followed. Though the individual defending can be criticised, the fact that Villa got in behind the defence was no coincidence. Balls chipped over the top of the defence for him was Barcelona’s main route of attack throughout the game – this pass had come from Busquets in his own half, though usually it came from further forward, when Real lost one of of Xavi, Iniesta or Messi.
Barcelona were casual after the goal – maybe too focused upon keeping possession and not determined enough to get the second goal.
Mourinho changes

The formations from 67 minutes onwards, with Real down to ten men
Huge credit must go to Mourinho for the changes that got Real back in the game. Playing Barcelona is hard enough with eleven, so going down to ten men and being subject to Barcelona’s keep-ball session is not a situation many sides come out of well, but Real effectively ‘won’ the 10 v 11 game, which is extremely impressive.
Mourinho’s first move was odd – Ozil on for Benzema, as Real looked to steady the ship having gone a goal and a man down. It was nearly 15 minutes after the goal when Mourinho brought out the ‘ten man strategy’ he had prepared for. He got rid of Alonso, who wasn’t mobile enough for the plans, and di Maria, who had contributed little. On came Emmanuel Adebyor, who provided a focal point for the attacks, plus Alvaro Arbeloa.
Arbeloa may have seemed a strange choice to get Real back in the game, but it worked very nicely. He went to right-back, Sergio Ramos came inside, and Pepe could return to his central midfield role, having been forced to drop in at centre-back after Albiol’s dismissal. He continued to stamp his authority on the game, and along with Khedira provided tremendous energy in the centre of the pitch, meaning Real weren’t completely dominated despite having a man less.
Amongst all this, Barcelona were given problems with Puyol departing through injury. Busquets filled in at centre-back and Seydou Keita came into midfield.
Ronaldo moved to the left and Ozil went to the right. The German was the star man after his introduction – he provided quality on the ball, played intelligent passes and was effectively the link player Real had missed early on. He also worked very hard, and it was his pressure on the edge of the Barcelona box that won the ball and resulted in Dani Alves fouling Marcelo for the penalty. Marcelo continued to get forward even after Albiol’s dismissal, and Real stretched Barcelona admirably for the final 15 minutes.
Conclusion
Neither side played particularly well here. Barcelona lacked their usual fluency – neither Xavi nor Iniesta had great games, Pedro was quiet, and Villa is clearly lacking confidence in front of goal – that’s ten games without scoring for him.
Real’s use of Pepe worked excellently, and they upset Barcelona in midfield with a physical battle. Admittedly, this meant that (without Ozil) they weren’t as much of a goalscoring threat as they would have liked, but there was surely always a plan to keep it tight early, then introduce another attacking player as the game went on. They essentially managed to do that despite going down to ten, by squeezing every last drop of energy from Pepe and Khedira in the centre.
Ultimately, however, this was a great result for Barcelona. A five point gap (with the mental blow of losing to Real) would have made things interesting, but eight points – plus a bonus ‘half point’ for the head-to-head record – means this is probably the day we can close the book on the title race in Spain.
Real Madrid 1-1 Barcelona: Real fight back impressively, but gap remains eight points




Didn’t mention Puyol absence from last half hour as not sure it was relevant *tactically*, but Barca always seem more sloppy when he’s off, don’t they?
They definitely miss Puyol when he’s gone. Although Real did very well towards the end of the match and probably deserved a goal, if you watch the replay of the Madrid penalty, Alves actually got the ball.
ZM- Do you think there is any possible way of having Pepe and Ozil in the same team? Do you think Ronaldo is still capable of playing the lone forward role he sometimes played at the end of his Man U career? Therefore Ozil could come in on the right? A stretch i know but it might be the only chance RM have of winning. Or Ozil as a false nine?
anything is possible. Pepe can play with Xabi Alonso & Khedira, with Ozil & Di maria on the wings, Cristiano Rinaldo upfront. or leave either Xabi Alonso or Khedira out for Pepe, play Ozil in his usual position, with Ronaldo on the wing. Ozil’s movement allows us to imagine him being capable in a false 9 role, but hasn’t Mourinho always needed a 9? plus, Mourinho hardly seems to upset Cristiano Ronaldo by playing him in a position he doesn’t enjoy. i mean, the guy hates to defend, so he doesn’t, right? would imagine the same about playing upfront. you have to keep in mind that with Ozil, Madrid can play football, but equally be outplayed. Mourinho won’t risk it. maybe for the Copa del Rey, but not for the Champions…too risky
Good points, mate. By now it should be clear for everybody, including his boss (je, je), that beyond the threat he represents at set pieces with his foot and his head, Cristiano does not deliver against decent opposition by playing “the position he enjoys”. This is visible one high-stake match after the other. He has never contributed more to his team success, as well as to his personal goal statistics, than in those days when Sir Alex made him play “the position that he doesn’t enjoy”.
Puyol helped Barca a lot, but still I found it questionable to play him. Looked like he picked up a (forseeable) injury that might rule him out of the other three more important clasicos…
Very nice match report, btw! One tiny remark on your 10-vs-11 squad sheet. Oezil was substituted for Benzema, so they never played together. It was Adebayor later as the lone striker.
I thought Barcelona were very naive in terms of defensive positioning after the Albiol dismissal. Keita was out of his depth at the defensive midfielder position, and Mascherano/Busquets will surely be more decisive with Ozil in the future encounters.
Barcelona obviously is a much better side with Puyol, and the intensity clearly dropped when the captain asked for a precautionary substitution. I would say Barcelona was conserving energy for the run-in, but this is the way they’ve been playing for nearly two months now. They’ve not been decisive scoring wise and naive with 1-0 leads. The same story has repeated itself for nearly two months. Guardiola seems to be hoping the switch comes back on at some point, but it is very difficult to recover this late in a season.
If Puyol is unable to play in the Cup ties due to recovery difficulties, Real Madrid will win at least one of the two ties in my opinion. Barcelona must try to address its naivety defensively and also when protecting a lead.
I believe Khedira will be dropped so Pepe can continue in his holding role. Pepe was lucky to not be carded on several occassions in this match, but was clearly influential and greatly improves Madrid in front of the defense. Neither Alonso nor Khedira are good defenders.
Barça leave the Bernabéu with their 8 point advantage in tact at the top of the table fcblive
Your second diagram is a bit off, it has Benzema instead of Adebayor, I heard the commentators raving about the grass being taller and how it stopped Barca’s flow, do you think it could have been different with “normal grass”?
Barcelona had 70% possession before the dismissal, so I would say not much different.
At one point in the middle of the first half they had about 85% possession, I would say they definitely did not notice the taller grass much. They had 76% possession by the end of the game by the way, I really doubt the grass did make any noticeable difference.
They kept high posession because of being extra precautious with the ball. If they played more attack-oriented football, I can imagine them losing a few balls/passess while creating goalscoring situations that would normally be successful.
The grass heigth was noticeable if you look at their technique of passing the ball. That was exemplary during their exchange between CBs. They had to elevate the ball, and that required more strength (elevating your leg) and more care (not to touch it too hard, nor too softly)
I were rewatching some videos of the game and what you’ve wrote does indeed make some sense. So, teams can basically adjust their home grass height according to their style of football? I thought it was standardized or something.
Well, I’d have to check this out, but I think the rules require the grass heigth to remain within specific limits. As long your grass is kept between minimum and maximum, it’s always your decision.
I don’t think the grass heigth is too important, though. Yes, it affects the game to some small extent, but we are talking about professional football clubs, who should be prepared for higher or lower grass, and shouldn’t complain about it, as a reason for their weaker performance. The only reason why this issue is worth mentioning is that it perfectly shows that Madrid consider themselves weaker than Barcelona, even at Bernabeu, so that they have to resort to such tactics
.
@sibelkacem
Do “those tactics” of manipulating the grass also extend to Barca who keep the grass extremely short and also water the pitch right before the match? If doctoring the pitch is a factor, Barca has become the experts in making sure that the pitch is perfectly suited for its style. To accuse Real of “resorting to such tactics” is just to be blind to Barca’s…
yes, its a small difference when we see it on TV, but playing on taller grass slows the ball down and makes it bounce a bit. its just a bit more harder to play those straight on the floor, quick, carpet-passes to feet with the ball wobbling. it will never affect possession, but the quality of the pass and its decisiveness
Actually, I felt quite a big difference, even on TV. Their passes had to be elevated a bit, otherwise the ball would roll slowly.
A few years back Chelsea used a similar trick in the CL, letting their grass die so the field was basically a giant mud pit. I can’t remember the exact year, but it was either Mourhino’s first or second season there. At some point the league demanded Chelsea lay down a new pitch, but I think UEFA didn’t say anything officially about the quality of the pitch.
Of course the long and dry grass affects more technical, fast playing sides. Significantly reduces the speed of the ball making it easy to defend. This is a common tactic of Mourinho, and therefore Chelsea pitch is known as Stamford “Beach”.
It is a common tactic of small teams, usually with less skills… A shame for RM, IMHO
Daniel Alves was again exploited defensively, and smarter play from Di Maria could have created a goal or two for Real. Real effectively dropped long balls into space on the left and Di Maria outpaced Alves to those balls.
When Maxwell subbed in later for a hobbled Adriano, Real also exploited his lack of defensive quality late and almost got a winner because of it.
terrible match… people might expect fantastic football between these 2 sides, but I think that every of next 3 matches will be similar…
Are you kidding me? Despite the fact that the ref attempted to ruin the tie with another sending off in Barca’s favor, it was an awesome match. Don’t know what you were watching, but if you didn’t like that, you probably don’t like football.
I anything ref didn’t gave Barca 1 penalty… Also srsly Pepe was very “lucky” not to been booked.
And I’m sure Mou told his players not to let goal happen by any means necessary – THAT’s why Real trained play with 10 men. It’s so obvious – when they played against Tottenham they quickly got rid of the main threat (oh that happy Marcelo…) – Crouch, now in a obviously tight match they wanted to deny barca goal even if it meant sent off.
By forcing Crouch into tackles which were both useless and terribly timed?
The second one, yes.
What was the ref supposed to do? Albiol was the last man and he hauled Villa to the ground. Decisions do not get more clear cut than that.
Choking Villa….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4wXsTVs-ik
Please, be at least a little bit objective…
The referee didn’t whistle Casillas’ foul on Villa in the first half.
The referee whistled penalty on Di Maria, while it seems Alves hit the ball, not his legs. Thank God the referee wasn’t consequent and didn’t book Alves for the penalty that has never happend.
The referee didn’t book Pepe, when he should, and that allowed Pepe to play carelessly throughout the game.
On the other hand, Messi should get a yellow, too.
ha. you are a comedian. or you’re drinking the mourinho juice. ref ruined the game in barca’s favor? funny stuff.
I dont understand how Alves was not shown a card for his tackle on Marcelo for the penalty, it was really late. Otherwise, great gameplan from Mourinho, Barca could not score on us from open play. Our defensive performance was awesome, and getting a draw with 10 men is a great accomplishment. I wonder if we could have won it if we were 11v11, Madrid seemed way more into the game than Barca. Barca looked like they didn’t want to play, doing cowardly back passes and keeping the ball away. Its not brave, its cowardly, even if it works.
it’s not coward, it’s their way of defending by keeping possession.
and it can be entertaining Too, if and only if they do something productive offensively which they didnt do much today.
but today, you know what, its plain boring watching them knock the ball around, keeping possession and not attacking.
Agreed. I want to watch a football match between two teams, not one team playing with heart and moving forward and the other one playing like its a training match. I don’t understand why don’t Barca just defend physically too? Puyol is muscular and ripped, while Pique is tall and strong in the air. Its not like their defense is short midgets like their attack, they have physical defenders.
Honestly, are you seriously advocating that Barcelona “get physical” to entertain you. Maybe they should lose the ball in dangerous areas too just to spice things up a bit. If you followed Barcelona you would appreciate the style they play with. It is superior to the style of any team they have played in the last 3 years so, no, Barca shouldn’t “just defend physically too”.
If a team as good as real madrid allows Barcelona to dominate pocession in their own back yard – pre sending off – then I think respect is due. If you want entertainment go watch 2 mid-table premier league teams slog it out over 90 minutes for a 3-3 draw.
If, however, you want to watch football played to it’s full potential watch Barcelona dominate Real Madrid at the Bernabeau…
are you joking?
Madrid created more opportunities, had more shots and the same number of shots on goal, more corners, etc.
All this when MAdrid had 10 men vs Barca’s 11 men. Obviously your a barca supporter and thus biased beyond belief, but i can’t believe even the most biased Barca supporters would say that Barca dominated Madrid tonight. That’s a nonsense statement.
“not one team playing with heart and moving forward”
You mean Real? Hahaha
Watch the first half again, please.
you know what, i agree. I didn’t like this Clasico, it was decided by two penalties and there was no heart in playing.
But, given Barcelona standing in the Liga, they didn’t necessarily needed to win this because of their advantage 1v1.
After Barca scored the first scored i knew that the rest of the game was going to get boring and it did. Even with the tie, it still bored the hell out of me. Perhaps Barca just wanted to keep the ball to waste time and win and not bother trying to score more to avoid counters, who knows, but thats the way they play.
Cowardly? I think it was a league match and Real Madrid were trailing by 8 points AND they were playing at home, so in principle they should be the team in charge of trying to win, not Barcelona. Brilliant defensive performance is irrelevant: RM tactics were completely reactive rather than proactive. Your bias prevents you from noticing that RM was truly the coward side tonight, if there really was one.
I second what you’ve wrote. It was absolutely expected that Barcelona would play more of a possession game as even a draw would be an okay result. What I personally did not expect was Real Madrid going super defensive and having most of the time 11 players behind the ball in their own half. They barely could counter-attack playing like that. I knew they’d go for the counter-attacking strategy, but not super defensively. Also, Jordan’s argument about Barcelona not defending physically is simply nuts. His bias is indeed impressive.
How is my argument nuts? Barca has a couple of extremely talented centerbacks, especially in Puyol, but they prefer to kick the ball around their defense than to actually fall back and make some tough tackles all game long on the Madrid strikers. Seriously, aside from Adriano’s last ditch defending against CR7, I can’t think of anything Pique or Puyol or Alves did throughout the match that I would consider classical tackling and marking. Watching Barca pass the ball around the defense may work for killing the game, but its boring as hell, especially when they can’t even score a goal from open play while doing it.
Jordon, are you being serious? You are surely being obtuse for the sake of it. You say of Barcelona’s defenders “they prefer to kick the ball around their defense than to actually fall back and make some tough tackles all game long on the Madrid strikers”………
You think Puyol and Pique should, instead of controlling the ball and passing exceptionally, leave the ball to the opposition, fall back and concern themselves with last ditch tackles because that’s more entertaining for you. Are you insane? Do you think football is some variation on WWF westling?
A defence that dominates a team with the talent of Real Madrid to the point that a Real Madrid fan can not remember an incedent of “classical tackling and marking” at the Bernabeau is an exceptional achievement.
Your argument is so ridiculous it’s hardly worth contradicting…
The other way in which Barca are cowards is that they are so poor playing football without the ball, they dont trust their defense to win games for them, that they always have to have the ball just so no one can gets shots on them. If you are so confident in your football, so great at keeping a lead, then why so afraid to give the ball away and sit back and defend??? Why??? Becaue Barca is terrible team without the ball. Even Pep Guardiola said this many times.
Real Madrid is no where near as good on the ball, as Barca, but they are a much better team without the ball. They are brave enough to play without having possession. They can come back and draw 1-1 with a man down, even only having about 30% possession for the nite. Thats bravery!
Ultimately, with all that possession, they still couldn’t score a goal from open play. I don’t understand how this team has managed to turn so many people into “possession footy” fans. Why does everyone think possession footy is the only or best way to play. Long ball, counterattack, and in the air can be just as deadly.
Jordan, your replies are extremely biased, I honestly see no point in replying to them as you are blindfolded by your own bias. I believe this is not a place to have passionate discussions, take that kind of argument elsewhere.
Tell me this Jordan, if Barcelona are “so poor playing football without the ball” how many goals have they conceded where they weren’t caught out on a fast break? In other words, where Barcelona were set-up like Real tonight facing the opposition with the full team defending behind the ball…
It’s laughable that you talk about Barcelona’s “cowardice”. The fact that they hold pocession and attack for 90 minutes regardless of the scoreline is in itself a mockery of your argument. You say Real are “brave enough to play without having possession” as if it was by choice they surrenderred he ball to the opposition… playing at home… in a game they needed to win!
I’m sure Mourinho said to Cristiano at half time “give them the ball, let them have pocession. We’ll show them how brave we are by parking ourselves in front of goal, making last ditch tackles all over the shop and hoping to god Villa keeps funking one-on-one chances with the keeper, that’ll show them cowards what we’re made of”…. The bravery of the man is astounding… [sic]
No, its brave because Madrid players plunge head first into fast attacks and dont waste time with useless passes to their own defenders that don’t progress play forward to a scoring opportunity. Barca did not make many shots on goals tonite, for all their possession.
Possession alone is so useless, why is keeping the ball so great!!??? Its boring as hell. I wanna see fast moving flowing football and rushing forwards with fast attacks and lots of shots. I don’t want to see defender and Xavi pass the ball around.
As a Madrid fan, I would rather have seen Madrid lose if Barca would actually play real football.
Guardiola himself said many times that Barcelona are a terrible team without the ball, and its the truth, which is why they never give up the ball.
You think they train so hard and exert themselves with mad pressing because it is fun? No, they do it because their defense is incapable and sitting back and defending a lead.
And BTW, Barca has only been like this for the past 2.5 years. Before Guardiola came to town, Barca was still awesome team, still beat Madrid with Ronaldinho in Bernabeu, and they didn’t have to resort to playing so many backpasses. They played regular normal fun football, not boring passing. They were still winning 2 La Ligas and 1 Champions League Trophy in 2004-2006, just as great as this Barca was from 2008-2010.
Jordan, I think it is time you stop being a fan of Spanish football altogether. Way too playful and cowardish. Time to move to Premier League if you prefer watching roaring tackles, thunderous clashes and cracking bones.
Parking the plane in front of your goal at home, having 30% possession at home, playing a counter-attacking long ball game at home while being 8 points behind in the league with a 5-0 head to head disadvantage is definitely not bravery. It is outright and utter humiliation, disgrace, and cowardice on the part of a team which cost a ridiculous amount of money to put together.
Your points make no sense whatsoever; “classical defending” that requires “last ditch tackles”? Seriously why is stopping people at the very first ditch not better? Allowing people to the “last ditch” means that all your other lines of defense has been utterly steamrolled through and there it is your FINAL chance to stop them; it really shouldn’t be your first and last line, should it?
Also, Madrid failing to keep the ball themselves is bravery? And Barca should give away the ball for fun to let the other team shoot at them to be brave?
Sure, next time I see a robber, I’ll be sure to kindly pass him my wallet, then lend him my pocket knife to allow him to take some swipes at me, in order to be ‘brave’.
There is no reason for Barca to have to retain possession like they do. The reason they do it is because they can’t defend physically. I think its smart yet cowardly for them to not even attempt to defend in the classical sense, and have to play like a bunch of pansies that look like they are afraid to get a scratch on their manicured nails.
Are you kidding me?
Madrid created MORE GOAL SCORING OPPORTUNITIES than Barca did with 10 men on the pitch. Get real man. While Madrid had 11 players, Barca had 1 goal scoring opportunity in 50 minutes of play!
Are you for real? Put the Barca glasses off already and actually watch the game. REal shut down Barca with 11 men, even with 10 men, they ended up getting more goal scoring chances than Barca did. That’s just the reality of the situation, which you seem reluctant to see.
Possession is meaningless unless it turns into goal scoring opportunities.
Barcelona-fans are yet to learn that possession means absolutely nothing in terms of goal and winning matches. You don’t get points from possession. As an Arsenal-fan I’ve learned this the hard way.
When Barca went to London, they were outplayed and rightly beaten. When the went to San Siro, they were outplayed and rightly beaten. Despite that they had more possession.
Fact is, Real knew that weren’t gonna be able to dominate the game for possession so instead they set themselves up to counter attack. Which they did reasonably well, and at the same time kept Barca quiet.
When will Barca-fans give up this fanatical view on possession and counter attacking?
Let’s not forget that Real drew despite being a man down for 40 minutes.
“Possession is meaningless unless it turns into goal scoring opportunities.” (plyka)
The same can be said of goal scoring opportunities that are not turned into goals. Barcelona did not necessarily need to score, Real had to. Seems Guardiola learnt his lession from the Inter games. Don’t blame him for that.
Jordan
it is clear that you are very jealous of Barca! The results speak for itself – you can talk all you want about semantics, but its undeniable that Barca is the best team in world football today by winning everything there is to play for, and winning with style, not something that most of your hyped up, negative football, long-ball playing, defensive-minded teams can boast of. (On international level, Spain has proved the same thing. Again, undeniable).
So accept the facts, and stop living in dreamland (like many pundits who say Stoke will beat Barca)!
I’m sorry, how many titles did Barca win last season?
1 La Liga title???? A great accomplishment to be sure, but they were knocked out of Copa del Rey by Sevilla and of the CL by Inter. They may be the world’s best team, but they don’t always win everything, and possession football is certainly not the only or best way to play.
I think you misunderstand Guardiola saying his team is poor without the ball. I am not a fan of either team (though I do dislike Cristiano for being a self-satisfied ball hog of the type I would not have on a rec league team) but I think that playing pressing defense like Barca does in order to retrieve the ball rapidly when they lose it is the essence of serious play. To assert that their pressing scheme is “cowardly” shows a complete lack of understanding about the game. Go try to implement that strategy on a field with your teammates and come back to tell me how cowardly it is to press heavily.
While counterattacking and even the long pass have their places, to see people execute excellent technique and control in service of attacking is why I watch the game.
But why should skilled technique with the feet be considered more valuable or more impressive that a truly ferocious physicality or personal physique and musculature that can withstand physical pressure, or can outrun the defence of the other team.
Why shouldn’t CR7’s strength and speed, or Ozil’s tenacity of holding onto the ball, or Di Maria blinding fast speed not be celebrated as remarkable achievements of physical fitness that are equally impressive as the way Barca presses?
Do you really think the fitness of CR7 or Di Maria to run that fast or for Ronaldo to be that muscular and shake off tackles and pulling from defenders should be considered less “athletic” than Barca players’ ability to retain ball possession.
@Zonal marking
I can see now why you have second thoughts about going the messageboard route
But strict rules with strict enforcement, could pave the way for a good, unbiased debate (like the comment section used to have).
That’s fantastic, how you are able to put everything 180 degree. I would definitely hire you to write the programme for my political party, if I had one
.
Keeping possesion in the away match at Bernabeu, being 8 points clear in the table and 5-0 up in goals is COWARDLY. But playing on your own stadium (80k supporters screaming like hell), being urged to win (8 points down and 0-5 in goals), and yet sitting deep on your own half, giving no pressure, waiting for the opponent to come, while he has no reason to do so, is BRAVE! Fantastic point there mate!
Even without consideration, that “coward”/”brave” features do not work in sport, but nvm.
Some other statememnts:
I doubt you would win with 11v11, it’s rather 10v11 that helped you.
Obviously, you prevented Barcelona from scoring in open play. By gripping their players.
Bitching about a card for Alves after it is clear that there was never any penalty… How about a penalty and a card for Casillas?
“Barca looked like they didn’t want to play” – obviously, yes. Why would they?
well, on the bright side RM tied with 10 men; whereas with 11 men they got 0-5.
THAT’S GOOD NEWS FOR THEM!
Sloppy game. Give credit to Mourinho for making attacking changes, but it’s hard to gain much from a match which depended upon three calls, two of which were questionable. As much as the press go gaga over the Special One, this was a game he needed to win, and 1-1 at home is hardly a result.
I would say that coming back to draw 1-1 when u were losing, and doing it with 10 men, against a team that last beat you 5-0, and that has beaten you in the last 5 meetings, is a fantastic achievement. I honestly expected Madrid to lose after the sending off. I thought Barca would tear them apart. But Mou’s training with 10 men v 11 during the week was good preparation, as it turns out. They actually played better, in the second half, than the first, even down a man, and Barca played terrible in second half, honestly.
I don’t understand, why are Madrid fans so happy and proud that they drew? Why is it a fantastic achievement? Drawing this game is ultimately a loss right? Barca came out on top in this equation whether or not they played bad or good because they didn’t need a win, they managed to not lose away from home, they didn’t lose anyone to injury and yellow cards, and because it was a draw, they don’t have a negative mindset to start the Classicos although if they won it would be a better mindset but still. Real Madrid played really well but they needed to. Barca don’t.
Well, let’s not fool ourselves, I’m pretty sure you know how the last clasico went and frankly, as a madridista I’m damn proud of how the team has improved since that no-show in november, how could I not be. Of course I would have liked a win more but the league was already lost and this was a huge confidence boost. Honestly I’m still happy because this was not a result I expected. Sure, the score maybe but not how well Madrid played.
Always amazing how a site devoted to tactics turns into a partisan battlefield. Point was that neither side played well, and that the goal scoring opportunities were by-and-large created (or missed) by the man with the whistle. Paradoxically, both brilliance and sloppy play overcome tactics in equal measure.
As for the bigger picture, at 0-1 and a man up, Barca needed to close out the game; but 1-1 was useless for RM–who I doubt will have the legs for this on Wed.
Right on, MMT. The result was exactly what I expected. It’s really ridiculous how some Real fans celebrate this draw as if it was a victory.
They celebrated it because they breath a sigh of relief because they don’t have to feel the humiliation of five-goal loss bro..
I can understand the Real fans after the 0:5 in the match at Bernabeu. Coming back from a 0:1 to a 1:1 is not too bad, especially with only 10 men. Sure, for keeping a chance for the league they would have had to win, so that’s gone now. But still, for the other 2 competitions that 1:1 should be something of a moral boost. Especially the way Real managed to create chances with 10 men in the last half hour, that was impressive. I have the impression Barca is slowly crumbling apart. If they do not recover Puyol I see them as the underdogs for the other three matches now.
acording to tonight match, “winning eleven” for Real might be…
——-Casillas———-
Arbeloa-Ramos-Carvalho-Marcelo
———-Pepe————–
—-Khedira—-Alonso——-
Ozil—————-Di Maria
———Ronaldo———–
I expect more attacking footbal from Barca in next games, tonight draw was enought…
I don’t see how you can have Di Maria in there. Great player, but far too inconsistent for a game like this. Put Ronaldo on the wing in place of Di Maria, and play Higuain or Adebayor up top. That’s your winning team right there.
I would go with Ozil Benz and ronaldo. Or perhaps try a different line up with Ronaldo Adebayor and Benz up top.
Or perhaps withdraw Khedira, keep pepe and alonso as the middle two, and then use a Ozil Benz Ronaldo with Ade up top line up.
There seems to be a definite gap between what Guardiola intends to happen with his substitutions, and how it plays out on the pitch. Once or twice, and it can be dismissed as happenstance, but it seems to happen at most of the important matches.
Agree, you only need to look at the matches against Arsenal this season and last to see that when leading the tie comfortably they threw it away with some dodgy substitutions.
Villa and Pedro are disastrously out of form… This could be crucial as the Clásico series progress, Barça are surely going to need someone other than Messi to score in the games.
Xavi and Iniesta were fairly poor. Busquets is so so so so VITAL to their midfield, Mascherano coming back should mean Busquets gets to stay in midfield.
Ozil was great when he came on, will be interesting to see if he or Di Maria starts the next one (presuming Pepe continues to play as a third CM).
Little mistake at your 4th paragraph @ Approaches. Should be Khedira instead of Özil.
Your second diagram is wrong. Should be Adebayor instead of Benzema.
I wonder whether Mourinhos tactic may have worked out if they hadn’t go down to 10 men. Özil looked fantastic and played really excellent through balls. His ball control was really fine.
I don’t think Puyols absence was the key point then. It seemed to me that Barcelona looked like the cat that got the cream. They seemed complacent and wanted to “pass” the game away. But they made a lot of mistakes in the late stages. They should have tried to go for the second goal.
As it was said on one of the spanish reviews of the game, Barça managed to come out with the title, and a pretty easy tie, without requiring a top performance from their players.
Real won’t be too unhappy as their strategy was not to allow Barcelona to win convincingly as they did in Camp Nou. They played for the tie in a strategy to get their confindence back.
Mourinho’s plan must have been exactly that… build some confidence for the upcoming games. I doubt he had any illusions concerning the title race.
Wednesday on a must win game, Real will need a different approach.
I think Mourinho will go the same route, 4-3-3, safety before beauty. He will be happy to avoid conceding, and gamble on a goal via freekick/corner/break. He might go for slightly different personnel, though. Ramos CB, Albeloa RFB, Ozil/Adebayor for Benzema/DiMaria. If it goes extra time I see even more of an advantage for Real, looking less tired.
He seems to have found an approach that works against Barca, even if people say it is ugly and defensive. Looks like the best approach so far, so stick to it if it works.
Barring a dramatic return to form from David Villa and Pedro, Barcelona appears well past its attacking peak as a team for the 2010-2011 season. The possession and passing numbers will be there, as that is as natural as breathing for Guardiola’s men, but the cutting edge and mentality is not there.
This is undoubtedly true. A little like in 2008/09, the peak has come too early in the season for Barcelona.
You mean like last season. Barcelona were fantastic in the 2 matches that mattered in 2008/09 (The 6-2 vs Real and The 2-0 vs Man United).
Agree, I thought several of Barcelona’s playmakers (Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, and Villa the obvious example) seemed off the pace. The inclusion of Pepe and a better gameplan for Madrid made it tougher on Barça than in the 5-0, but even considering that they seemed poor.
As a Barcelona supporter, the disappearance of Pedro (following injury) and Villa (seems to have lost the plot) is very disturbing. Barça aren’t losing games yet, but you cannot expect to get results against a club the likes of Real Madrid (or Manchester United in a hypothetical CL final) on this current form. I’ve been watching Barcelona for the last month or more scrape by with 1-0s or 1-1s and wondering when either their form would come back to pre-2011 levels or they’d start losing matches.
The thought no culé would want to consider is that while the August-December 2010 Barcelona was just unplayably good (while the squad was fit), those times are over. While they’ve covered pretty well for the injuries at the back (and out-of-form strikers), they are playing like a shadow of the side they were 5 months ago. Still very talented and capable, but maybe best-viewed outside the lens of their past results (i.e. the string of 5-0s, 4-0s, 3-0s, 5-1s, etc). If Messi wasn’t a child-sized robot who refused to stop scoring and assisting while everyone else watched, I’m pretty sure today’s match would’ve been much more decisive in the Liga. You might be talking about a Madrid treble, not Barça. Still, this is football — the Copa final is on Wednesday. If Barça somehow finds their switch and wins impressively, we go back to the “omg, best team ever?” articles on Goal.
Agree with everything you said. It has to come back to the lack of squad depth doesn’t it? When you look at the options real has compared to those available to pep, you can begin to understand why they may have peaked to soon….of course, some of the blame for this has to go to pep, who has seemed very reluctant to introduce new players or give any younger players a shot. While the starting 11 are all world class, a quick glance at the bench demonstrates a shocking lack of quality that could very well prevent barca from achieving “best team ever” status
You might want to fix your second diagram. It should be Adebayor as the lone striker not benzema who had been withdrawn for Özil already
real madrid vs barcelona today ended 1 1 both from pks. might as well been basketball with 10 10 on freethrows
The last half-hour of the game shows how you can effectively counter barcelona.
First off by pressing on xavi, iniesta an messi on midfield, not aiming to recover the ball, or shut them off, but really looking to force them to be less precise,more error prone, and mentally frustrated.
The other key factor are long balls played to fast, strong, and tall fowards, a simple and effective route that will surely land a couple of 1 on 1 situations with the goalkeeper throughout the game. Or at least get barcelona out of shape, drawing fouls on their attempts to compensate on defense,or generate corner kicks, which turn out to play very well for real’s advantages.
This also plays defensively, because in the end, corner kicks, missed chances at goal, and missed free kicks, make barcelona build up play from goal. Which draws two scenarios, one were the goalkeeper kicks in long, and real will recover possession due to Barcas lack of height upfront.Or Two, Barca will have to kick in with a short pass, and build up all the way from goal,something they are comfortable doing, but will make things generally more difficult for them. Greatly, due to the fact that barca are specially dangerous in situations were they recover the ball close to the opposition’s goal, and rush with a through ball to their pacey forwards, behind an overwhelmed, numerically inferior,and out of shape defense.
Being smart (at fouling), tough, resilient, and playing to suit their advantages, to impose their style of play is the only way real can win. The next three fixtures will be determined by which team is able to dictate tempo, and impose their style of play.
excellent analysis
I always wondered if this website had a crush on Mourinho. Now I now it’s true. I usually enjoy reading the great job this site does with analyzing important matches, but I feel that when it comes to Mourinho, there is just a bit more extra praise with anything he does. Besides that though, good job!
Well, I don’t understand why people are seeing this as a victory for RM. A must win match at home for RM with a pitch designed to inhibit Barcelona. The officiating was clearly on their side, not just the two questionable calls but RM defensive players got away with a lot of rough play. Anywhere else Pepe would have been carded and he wouldn’t have been nearly as effective. Several sympathy free kicks were also awarded in the 2nd half. Despite of all this, a lazy, tired Barcelona still pulled a comfortable draw. Barcelona are still clearly better. They only lose the CL if the injuries, fatigue become too much due to Pep’s terrible time management.
you are a barca fan and thus believe the officiating is always on the other teams side unless the ref gifts you the win entirely. you are used to the refs gifting you the games because of the past, in which any time Barca is in a huge hole in an important game, the ref comes to the rescue.
First example of course was the most disgraceful dive and peak that any of us have probably EVER seen. Inter was up 3-1 on agg, 2nd leg of the semi-finals of the champions league last year. Buscuts performs a dive and peak that shall be remembered in infamy. Has any of us seen a more disgraceful dive? And what does the ref do? STRAIGHT RED for Motta, Biscuts dive and the ref’s stupidity give Barca a 11 vs 10 advantage.
Second example, this year, Arsenal vs Barca, Arsenal are tied 1-1 at the camp nou and up 3-2 on agg. like the first example, Barca are on the VERGE of being eliminated, they need 2 goals to go through and have about 40 minutes to do it. The ref calls a “time wasting” second yellow to give Van Persie a red card. If you hadn’t have seen the biscuts dive and peak, you wouldn’t have seen a more ridiculous call than this one on a more important stage. Journalist timed it, and less than 1 second after the whistle blew, in the midst of 90+ thousand fans, Van Persie shoots at goal and gets a 2nd yellow. Again, Barca on the verge of elimination, the ref gifts them a 11 vs 10 game.
And no one i assume needs to be reminded of the Chelsea fiasco, perhaps the worst of the bunch, if that’s possible. The refs joke of errors in favor of Barca gave Barca this match and the Champions League trophy that year.
This is just 3 ties in the last few years, incredibly important ties. Does anyone remember an important tie, where Barca are actually “forced” to play 11 on 11? I don’t remember the last time.
Honestly plyka I don’t know anymore if you’re troll or just that biased…It’s so hard to tell…People are getting sent off against Barca because they getting frustrated for lack of time on ball and Barca superiority or because as we have seen last night Mou’s plan was to get booked. Alves caused penalty by bad tackling, Albiol didn’t paly football he GRABBED Villa and stopped the game. That’s red PERIOD.
If you want to look for ref’s bias tell me how it is that Pepe is still palying in La liga- that animal should be ditched long time ago (Getafe incident is outrageous – he should be playing football anymore). Well nuff said no point in wasting time for you. You should be banned if this site to remain anything closed to professional along with jordan. This site is about tactics not cheap drama. If real was so good you wouldn’t have to linger here prooving that.
Last year Motta was sent off for two yellows. He was playing wild from the outset was carded and warned by the referee, then he hit Busquets in the face and received the second. The person to blame was Motta, nobody else.
Wrong, he had a 1st yellow, but the ref didn’t give him a 2nd yellow, he gave Motta a STRAIGHT RED!
absolutely true. annoying to see barca fans moan about a bad ref, when they are treated equally to the opposing team…
Let’s not talk about the referees here (I don’t think the ref was particularly bad, he made a few mistakes against both teams, but no big deal in total…
“Despite of all this, a lazy, tired Barcelona still pulled a comfortable draw. Barcelona are still clearly better”.
In which way was that a comfortable draw (except for it helps Barca win the league)? In the end Barca was lucky not to lose the match, despite having 11-10 for 40 minutes. If Barca were just a bit tired and lazy, and can do much better easily – good for them. I just don’t see that. They were already lucky last week to grind the 1:0 against Shakhtar. I saw a match yesterday in which both teams tried all they could in order to win/score goals. In that way Madrid impressed me more than Barca as they were only 10. If I was a Real supporter I would complain about DiMaria’s wastefulness/unawareness, and of course about Albiol’s foolish wrestle, but that’s about it. For Barca it was worse. Villa, Pedro, and Iniesta disappointing, Alves very little influential. The rest of the team: tired, that I’d agree with you.
Oh come, when down to ten men and a goal up he made some crucial subs and got a draw out of it. That’s some nifty coaching work.
-Pepe started from a deep position in midfield, but was the first to press Barcelona right up into their area
-as expected, Di Maria played ahead of Marcelo to control Dani Alves, and Cristiano Ronaldo moved into the vacant space
-when defending deep, Madrid applied the common 2 banks of 4, playing from L to R: Di Maria, Xabi Alonso, Pepe, Khedira in midfield
nothing spectacular really, as Guardiola chose to rest his players, whilst Mourinho attempted several maneuvers during certain periods of the game, maybe to test them for the upcoming games. I think the 2 Champions League games will be dull, so lets hope for an exciting Copa finale
Am I the only one who noticed the insane amount of not-called faults Real Madrid players did both on the ball and off the ball? I don’t know if I just saw something that did really not happen or something. Barcelona players were playing the ball around and a lot of times Madrid players were too late to take the ball from Barça players as they would have already passed it away and then Madrid players would just hit Barça players full force so as to apparently not let their run go to waste. I found it really impressive that the referee completely ignored these tackles on players without the ball. A lot of times also Madrid players did really bad tackles but Barcelona got the advantadge and the referee completely spaced out and forgot to yellow those Madrid players. I may be biased when I say this (even though I barely ever complain about refeering) but the referee today was just plain bad (and I’d even risk saying the refereeing was biased). I did not understand any of the yellow cards he gave to Barcelona players (there were 5 or so yellow cards to Barcelona), all of them seemed unjust. I could deal with the referee giving that penalty from Daniel Alves in that situation, but what’s really impressive to me is that he gave the penalty but gave no card, it’s like he “knew” it was not a penalty and therefore did not show any card, but he still gave the penalty, simply makes no sense to me. In that situation if he considered that tackle a penalty I’m pretty sure he needed to have carded the one who did the tackle, at the very least one yellow card. In my opinion it was not a penalty at all and it was pretty easy to see it was not a penalty.
ZM does not discuss officiating even though it’s clearly crucial. All the praise for Pepe could easily be reversed if he plays that way in the CL. I’m sure Mourinho knows this and should not play him as DM in the CL as people here are suggesting. The refs always favor the home side, especially if they’re down. Human nature.
It’s similar to how Chelsea can handle Man U in the league at home but do much worse away, in neutral grounds, or in the CL as the refs call a much closer game.
RM pressed and were given license to mug yet Barca still dominated possession like crazy. I give RM a moderate chance in the Copa final since it’s one leg and Barca looks extremely tired.
I give them a slight chance of going through in the CL — two legs, tighter officiating, Barca players will be more rested (unless Pep foolishly refuses to rest his players against the La Liga minnows).
If you bitch and moan as much as Xavi, Piqué, Valdés, Iniesta and the other Barca players do, you’re bound to get yellow-carded. 4 out of 5 of those yellow cards were for protesting.
And no, the ref wasn’t biased at all. He gave freekicks to the Barcelona-players every single time they fell to the ground, even if they only got nudged.
Yeah, it might’ve not been a penalty for Madrid, but you have to think about how hard it is for the ref to see that he touched the ball first (even though he only touched it slightly and Marcelo fell too, which could in some people’s view be seen as a penalty).
The most probable reason that he didn’t give a yellow card is probably that Marcelo had a really bad angle to do anything from so it clearly wasn’t a red card, second Alves was going for the ball but he took Marcelo down too, it wasn’t really his meaning to bring Marcelo down, he wanted to get the ball away.
You do have some points there;
“If you bitch and moan as much as Xavi, Piqué, Valdés, Iniesta and the other Barca players do, you’re bound to get yellow-carded. 4 out of 5 of those yellow cards were for protesting.”
That would make sense but that was the first game I saw the referee giving that many cards because of complaints, those who got yellow cards because of that had to be indeed complaining a lot. I believe complaints in football games are normal and referees usually know how to deal with it without handing out 4 yellow cards in a single game. Well, the TV did not really show how much they were complaining so I’ll have to take your word for it that they really deserved it.
“And no, the ref wasn’t biased at all. He gave freekicks to the Barcelona-players every single time they fell to the ground, even if they only got nudged.”
I can’t remember the whole game by heart by I do clearly remember Barça players falling to the ground a lot of times due to bad tackles and no faults getting called, so I don’t understand your point here. To get to a conclusion of this we would need to check a full replay of the game as just stating our opinions will get us nowhere.
“Yeah, it might’ve not been a penalty for Madrid, but you have to think about how hard it is for the ref to see that he touched the ball first (even though he only touched it slightly and Marcelo fell too, which could in some people’s view be seen as a penalty).”
As I said I do understand if the referee judged there was a penalty in that situation, mistakes happen. Anyways, Daniel Alves barely even touched Marcelo in that situation, it was pretty clearly a dive in my opinion. But still that’s not the point.
“The most probable reason that he didn’t give a yellow card is probably that Marcelo had a really bad angle to do anything from so it clearly wasn’t a red card, second Alves was going for the ball but he took Marcelo down too, it wasn’t really his meaning to bring Marcelo down, he wanted to get the ball away.”
It was really late in the match and it was a really good chance for Marcelo, if he judged that “it wasn’t his meaning to bring Marcelo down” then he should simply not have called the penalty, like what he did when Casillas took Villa down inside the penalty area as I believe he there judged that it was not Casillas intention to take David Villa down, even though Casillas completely missed the ball. It still does not really make sense that he called the penalty but no card at all.
Fouls should be called whether or not they are intentional.
A foul in the box doesn’t mean a card needs to be given.
I think its disgraceful that some of you act as though playing a rough and physical game is somewhat inferior to playing a technical game like Barca does? Do you not realize what great physical condition and endurance Madrid players like Pepe and Khedira need to be in to relentlessly run and chase Barca for whole game, and make harsh tackles that are still accurate and not fouls!
Why is it that the fancy ballet like moves of Messi and Xavi get recognition but the rough, hard and tough as nails tackles and Pepe or Khedira go unnoticed?
Football is a contact sport, its supposed to be physical. I’m sorry if half the Barca squad looks like a group of 15 year olds with height of 5′7″ and 130 lbs. Thats not my fault that they are all midgets.
Time for these pussy players to stop diving and complaining about fouls and man the hell up and take a few rough challenges, get some scraped knees and a couple of bleeding gashes on your legs. This isn’t kids league, its for men, with hairy chests and strong backs. I’m tired of seeing so much pussies in football, jesus I think there are so few real manly footballers left. Puyol is one of the few on Barca.
Haters gonna hate.
You’re free to believe whatever footballing philosophy looks like ‘real football’ to you, no need to degrade into name calling. Just a pity the match was not rowdy enough, but then you’re always free to stop watching the match, right? Don’t be hating when you willingly watch a Barcelona match then complain they don’t tackle. There’s always YouTube for the ‘compilations of best tackles ever’.
And please, don’t-ever-go into the ‘diving’ section. Every player does that once in a while, when they have to do it for the team.
Haha, oh wow. You’ve got to be kidding us. Sorry but I can’t take you seriously anymore.
-
-
jordan is a troll ;]
-
ZM –you made a point to say that Real Madrid made few chances in the first half, but failed to mention that Barca had only 1 chance until Albiol was given the red some minutes into the 2nd half. Barca had 1 chance, a few fewer than Madrid’s “few chances” in the first. Yet no mention of it, surprising.
This reminded me a lot of the Arsenal plan against Barca. Keep it tight early on, play a high line to squeeze the midfield, long balls to the flanks. I had sort of expected something like that from Mourinho. Was surprised Madrid didn’t score on set pieces honestly, as Barca are usually quite poor defending them.
Oh and Casillas was excellent. Such a shame goalkeepers can never win the Ballon d’Or, as he has been one of the best players in the world for some years now.
I agree. considering that he was catastrophic in the first Clasico this season (he failed to clear villa’s low cross for Pedro’s goal, he was easily beaten in 1 v 1 with Villa twice, and he was unable to organize his back line at any point in the game.), he did well to turn it around today and make some important saves. Villa’s poor timing and finishing did him a few favors though.
It seems that Barcelona’s chances were mostly based upon passing the ball over Real Madrid’s defence to Messi or Villa. While RM did manage to get a couple of offsides, and Casillas did a good job getting forward so that the Barcelona players often didn’t have enough space to get a good shot off, nonetheless they may be looking at working on tackling this for the next match.
Still, I do think that Madrid generally did look quite threatening when they got the ball throughout the game, and they probably should have gotten a fair few more chances on the break, but often gave possession away in the final third through misdirected through balls and such. They didn’t quite put away their set pieces, although they did come close a couple of times. Madrid were probably the more dangerous side, and used their pace well, and while their pressing and general defensive positioning as a team was impressive, their defence did look somewhat sloppy, and certainly a bit slower, from time to time, perhaps having to do with the absence of Pepe. In any case, their performance when 10 men down shows that they can certainly be an offensive threat. I wouldn’t really call them very defensive either; they were aggressive in pressing without the ball, and with the ball they were also quick to get forward. They probably would have played differently if they were 5 points down instead of 8, as they often kept their distance from the Barcelona players, at least until they went a goal down, but then, not having done so may have been defensively risky, and that’s really not a good idea when beginning a 4 game ’series’, having gone down 5-0 in the previous confrontation.
In addition, one wonders whether the goal against Bilbao was actually being used in order to practice drawing penalties.
ZM, Disappointing for me. Against all their history, Barca yday played for a draw. I was especially disheartened by the way they played after RM was down to 10 man. A pre xmas break Barca would have tried to score more, but yday, they just wanted to stick to 1 goal lead. May be they wanted to save energy for the rest 3 matches.
Pepe’s position was an important tactic that helped RM yday. Having said that I am not sure if RM got what they wanted, even with Barca playing much below their capabilities.
Real definitely didn’t get what they wanted- but they were very close. There shouldn’t allow Barca any goals and they failed that. Even using “any means necessary” tactics – Albiol just didn’t understand you have to foul OUTside the box.
Barca basically wrapped up the title thinking more about the copa del rey final and champions league semi-finals. It also gives Pep a clear indication that Mou will use his own philosophy, which he would work on to exploit.
As a Barca fan i a saddened that we did not manage to get a win after Albiol red card.. But, the league is more or less ours anyway..
Whats annoying is that Madrid fans somehow try to turn this draw into a victory..
The grass was simply too long for normal football. That’s also why almost all danger came from set pieces. It was thè key factor of this game. Strange you didn’t mention that. Guess tactical guru Mourinho will let it grow further until the CL game next Wednesday.
Define “normal.” Is normal cutting the grass extremely short and watering the field right before the match starts like they do at Camp Nou? Just wondering, ’cause it seems like if the question of “doctoring” the pitch is going to be raised you might be looking in the wrong direction…
well the game is football…the object of it is to move the ball (along the ground or in the air) with your foot (read: not hands) so as to put it in the back of the goal…one approach stops players from moving the ball as easily the other facilitates it…so u be the judge
Wow.
Glad you could clarify why all the players are kicking that round object rather than carrying it like a baby. It all makes so much more sense now! I wondered why a person on that green thing was not just running around with that white thing and taking it into that netty looking thing at the end of that green space…I just had clicked onto this channel and there was this strange game that I had no familiarity with. Football, you say? Amazing this foot-ball thing…
Brandon, thank you. I don’t know what I would have done without your spectacularly insightful response! Is there any chance that you could explain more to me about this “foot-ball”?
But seriously, here’s the issue…Growing the grass long or cutting it short are both tactical moves that facilitate a particular style of play. Barca’s method of cutting the grass extremely short and watering the pitch is as much an attempt to manipulate the playing field to suit their specific desires as growing the grass long may be. To assert, as Juan did, that the grass was too long for “normal football” is to be woefully unaware of what the normal conditions of a pitch are and seems to be (just to venture a guess) the effect of watching far too many matches played at the Camp Nou.
I don’t know if you watched the Barca v Shakhtar game or not, but there was a noticeable amount of standing water on the pitch that made play difficult for Shakhtar. Why? Because Barca’s pitch maintenance is precisely outside of the norm. It is not “normal.” And while FIFA’s Laws of the Game make no specific mention of the length of grass for the playable pitch, the grass length for the match was by no means outside of the norm for matches played in most stadiums around the world. The issue is that what is done to the pitch at the Camp Nou is precisely outside of the norm. It is not “normal.”
To accuse Real of manipulating the pitch conditions solely because the possibility that longer grass might slow the ball down is to be willfully ignorant or hypocritical about the methods used by Barca to manipulate the pitch for their advantage.
Anyway, since you asked me to be the judge, the pitch conditions for the match were well within the norm and conducive to what normal football is on most pitches around the world. And while the manipulation that Barca does to the Camp Nou certainly facilitates the speed with which the ball is moved across the ground, it is by no means a normal condition (unless you factor in the frozen pitches in Russia, etc.).
What a match, and a great article again, ZM!
Do you guys think that Mourinho could bench Alonso? I mean, the double pivot of Pepe and Khedira seemed very good and allowed Khedira to get forward more, even though they were playing with 10 men. Obviously they’d lack the passing range of Alonso, but Pepe and Khedira could make up for it in the way they are able to win the ball back, and it should allow Khedira more freedom to support attacks as he did with Stuggart so effectively.
Also, is possible that Di Maria could play in the ”hole”? Özil seemed very confident in his wide role, and since he isn’t exactly a goal threat most of the time, Real could benefit from having Di Maria closer to goal than Özil. Di Maria should also provide more direct runs towards goal, whereas Özil likes to pick the ball in the wide positions, even when he’s playing in that central role.
Wow, I can’t believe what I am reading.
I am not a fan of either team, in fact I don’t really like Barca, and kind of root for Madrid (when I watch them in La Liga games) because of Ozil, Khedira, and Ronaldo. But, anyone who criticizes Barca’s ball possession style and calls them cowards is absolutely insane. The purpose of football is to take the ball, keep it, and score with it. Its a rather simple game. Barcelona do that better than anyone. And people are having a go at them? What about the saying that the best defence is offense? When you have the ball the other team can’t score. And people want Barca to GIVE the ball away? Who does that? On what planet?
When teams park the bus and seem happy to defend its not because they are brave. Its because they fear the opposition and do not push forward out of the fear that they will get caught. Nothing brave about that. Its the only way they can get a result against what they see as a superior side. Hell my United did it often enough in the CL.
Anyway, the game. A bit of a letdown after all the hype, but not the first time it happened. Tactically Jose got it right, they stopped Barca for the most part and did not get humiliated. Barca on the other hand were blah. Cautious, interested in a draw more than a win. But they were in a position when a win was not necessary, and other than bragging rights and a boost to Real’s confidence, the game did not mean much to Barcelona. There is now way they would give up even a 5(+) point lead in the league. So mission accomplished by both managers. Real got a well earned draw and a bit of a boost, Barca one step closer to winning the league and no loss. It should set up for intersting battles in their next 3 games.
The use of Pepe was interesting. ZM is right, he was great and helped stop Barca dominating Real, but at a cost of creativity. That Di Maria was quite poor did not help. Khedira perhaps could have been pushed further forward, sort if in the “Park” role, with more of a specific duty to close down Xavi or Busquets. But what Jose did did not hamper them very much as Barca were indeed very patient in possession, almost toothless.
Pepe did not shadow Messi, but he sure knew where Messi was at all times. And it was surprising to see Villa work so hard and defend so much. Don’t remember him do that so much ever before.
But this tactical battle, as poor as it was (comparatively to expectations), should set up for much better games. The cup final should be great, and the second leg of the CL too. Though the first leg may be just as cagey.
Another great write up by ZM, best tactical site in English, by far.
But is Villa defending much really a good thing? Could this explains his loss of speed, iniative and power when getting the ball inside the 16 yard line? His finishing was really poor..
No it was not a very good thing, but it does explain their approach. They wanted not to lose, hence defence first. In most games Barca are willing and actually dare teams to try to slug it out with them because they know they can outscore anyone in an open game. Yesterday they did not want that, they wanted a controlled match. And as soon as they scored they sat back and attacked with even less conviction. Villa simply had a job to do, and did it. Barca are not above defensive tactics.
Great comments, Robert. That Jordan guy is stupid. I want to comment and add something to his stupid opinions but reminded myself that ZM is a tactical site. But you have successfully made a point there by this comment above. cheers!
Agree about Pepe, while he was decisive in the outcome of the match I think that if RM actually wants to win one of these clásicos they will need Ozil’s creativity in the midfield.
It was Barcelona vs Internazionale de Madrid? Sorry, i’m confused… Madrid… big team? I’m confused too, Shaktar, Betis and Ceuta faced Barcelona with more proud.
If Pellegrini, Capello or Juande have played a Clàsico with this squad and this approach… I would like to see the reaction of supporters and press.
We see this match again, ah, Mestalla is going to have the grass cut perfect.
Actually a very good point about Maurinho. He gets a pass for things that would get other managers fired. Hell most would have been gone after that first clasico. They did make it further in the Cl so credit to him and the team. And they do play some very good football most of the time. But in the league they are no better than last season and with a much better squad. They brought in several very good players last summer, so it should not really be a shock that they went through Lyon and Spurs. Khedira, Ozil, Carvalho, Di Maria while not losing anyone important.
They did lose Higuain.
they are worse off in the league….
That’s because they went further in the other two competitions genius.
Great tactical match.. Real would have won had they been more clinical infront of the goal. Just as Arsenal would have won had Bendtner scored, Real would have won had Khedira scored.. along with other chances in the set pieces and the Ronaldo free kick..
Pepe’s push into midfield worked superbly.. I thought Lass will play that role. A 10/10 for him. For those who say he should have got a card, stop whining. He was superb in almost all the tackles..
What a cameo from Ozil late in the second half!! Never seen him take on people, keep the ball and send in some absolutely beautiful passes.. No wonder his pass started the goal action..Great future for this young man ahead.
While Mourinho got his tactics right this time,he could have started with Adebayor in the start due to the aerial threat and to hold up the ball. Benzema can be useful later when goals are needed by running in. Khedira had a special game too. His workrate was superhuman and was always present going forward as well as tracking back.
On the contrary, Barcelona had a disappointing game, especially in the second half after Real went down to 10 men. They neither were attacking nor defending properly and were simply passing the ball. That is always risky because Real were pressing like Maniacs. Villa has become awful infront of the goal and Pedro is not that good either. Great dip in the form compared to the early season. Albiol need not have fouled Villa at all in his current form
I agree with the view that this is a good result for Real. Anyone who thinks Barca will drop 5 points even if Real had won this match must be deluding themselves. The league is all settled now, and Mourinho knows it. His only hope is the Cup and CL. So he used this match to test his tactics so that it can be useful later and it has worked wonderfully well. They’ve managed to stop Barca with only a few chances infront of the goal and were able to create far more chances than them. Whether they had 70% possession or not is not important. What they managed to with it is important. Barca didnt to so much with that possession, so thats not the issue. If my team can create more chances and score more than opponents, I wont mind having 20% possession.
Going forward, Real have got a huge confident boost that they have managed to draw after 3 years (?) and that too with 10 men. If they can finish better in the remaining games, they can win the matches, especially the 2 legged CL semi final where tactics more than technique will win.
It will be interesting to see what Guardiola comes up with for the remaining games. Going by the past, he is not a great believer of tactical changes apart from bringing in different players and will ask his players to play the same way they do for the whole season. That will make them even more predictable and vulnerable. Great battles ahead.
This is what i mean when i say that its ridiculous that Real fans are happy with a draw.. Is Real really that far off from Barcelona when it comes to class that you are actually happy with a draw on the Bernabeu when you are 8 points behind in the league?
Lets see what will happen on Wednesday.
As I said, they missed many chances and were not clinical infront of the goal. Regarding your opinion on class of Real, they are a team in the making, not a finished product like barca who are playing for years together. Infact, the new comers like Ozil and Di Maria have gelled so weel that they are playing like seasoned team mates.
Also, they are 8 points behind and we have to be realistic enough to say that the league can be forgotten. So Mourinho used this match more as a tactical preview for the more important matches ahead.
Wednesday will be a different game. It is a chance to win the cup and Real will attack more.
Jan wrote: “As I said, they missed many chances and were not clinical infront of the goal.”
Are you seriously using that as an argument? That’s possibly the most flawed argument in this whole topic. Barcelona would also obviously have won if they were “more clinical in front of the goal”. As a matter of fact both Barcelona and Real Madrid had the same amount of shots on goal by the end of the game. Any team can win any game if they are 100% clinical in front of goal and their opponent is not. Saying they were not clinical justifies nothing. The rest of your post is solely your opinion so I won’t argue with it.
What it means is that in the previous match, they didnt even have 1 good chance to score, now they looked threatening a lot more than barca, especially after Ozil was introduced.. the fact that they had the same shots on target with only 30% posession showed how hard they worked and how the tactics worked.. If you done create enough chances, you wont win even if you convert.
The match result needs to be looked in the context on what had happened before when the teams had met. Not in isolation as a Madrid Vs Barca match. The result is positive in the sense that it showed that you can nullify barca’s midfield and at the same time attack and create chances.
I would like to see Adebayor, Ozil and Lass start in the next match. That will make it really intersting.
If Real fans appear to be happy with the draw, it’s probably not because it ended a draw, but because this game showed that RM have found a way to contain Barca – even when playing with 10 men – and still threaten to score, as can be seen during the last 10 mins. RM created more scoring chances than Barca (despite all that so-called “Barca superiority”). If anything, this game is significant in that Real will now find renewed confidence and self belief, and Barca fans can rest assured you will have a very difficult fight in your hands in the next few weeks. Real fans are happy, because there is reason for optimism going forward. The UCL title may go to a Spanish team this season, but not necessarily the team from Catalunya.
Once upon a time Madrid would never have considered a draw in el Bernabeu a good result. My how the times have changed.
I think Barcelona is having tactical problems on the offense. Usually Messi is down at the midfield and the wide forwards too wide, creating very few forward passing oppurtunities (there is nobody there).
Only Villa seems to try runs behind the defense, while Messi is always running towards the ball instead of looking for room behind the defense. Bojan did the same thing before the injury. I think this explains the lack of goals from both attackers, they are never available for the killer pass. There is simply not enough movement from any of the forwards (except Villa) to create space for themselves or others.
I think these are problems that Guardiola should be able to fix, but he seems unable to keep Messi in check. In particular Messi has gotten too much playing time and it shows: he is exhausted after 60 minutes and stops having any off-the-ball movement. Which exacerbates the offensive problems of Barcelona as everything becomes too static.
First half I thought Madrid were very impressive. Obviously not as an attacking sense, they created very little, but I thought it proved they could be disciplined, and they do have the ability to ‘park the bus’, something some have said they don’t have the players to do.
There seemed to be no specific player to player marking, although you could see there always had to be a player occupying the predominatly central trio of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. Pepe didn’t COMPLETELY follow Messi, although he did broadly look to pick him up, and similar to Khedera/Alonso with Xavi and Iniesta. I don’t know if anyone else saw it, there was an occasion in the first half where Messi had drifted into a bit of space and no one had picked him up and you could clearly see Alonso wasn’t happy as he was screaming at someone to drop onto him, no one else did, so Alonso ended up doing it himself.
Pepe did a fantastic job, however I still think Madrid can broaden the idea of how he picks up Messi, in that he follows Messi EVERY where he goes. With the role he plays, he is sort of the spare man in a 5-4-1, and also a spare man in a 4-5-1 and he can follow Messi without causing too much problems for the shape of the team. The defence can stay in position and not get dragged out by follwing Messi, and the midfield can stay in shape, and notably Khedera/Alonso can focus on Xavi/Iniesta.
Barcalona weren’t even trying hard in this match. Neither were Madrid it seems, went ultra defensive at Home, what ashame.
I haven’t seen anyone comment on Alves, he was very quiet and didn’t hold his usual position alongside the attack line on the flank.
Alves does this even when he comes across someone trying to push him back. I think he did this deliberately this game as part of tactics.
And this “Jordan” guy above in comments is an absolute idiot.
Ultra defensive is not the word to use. They did not play like Inter last year. They were only nullifying the midield threat in the first half and more attacking in the second. Im sure they would have won had there been 11 men on the ground. Its funny to see barca fans whining after the result when they were boasting that they will beat will win 5-0 again.
Even by that logic it still is a shame that Madrid fans are not whining at all at the “Ultra defensive” tactics of a team playing at home against their biggest rivals.
There is nothing to suggest they would have won with 11, they had better chance with 10 men, with 11 they were 1 down.
very funny.. Did you see the match at all ? In first half, Madrid were content to deny barca the chance to score. In the second, they came out with a plan to attack barca and they did it even after the red card. After Adebayor came in and Ozil started to get involved, it was Madrid all the way. Amusing to call that as ultra defensive.
They had more chances with 10 men because they were attacking in the second half and the extra man would have helped.
I can understand what barca fans want. A high defensive line with not enough men in the midfield and leave huge holes so that Messi and co can have fun in the pitch. Not again barca fans. That wont happen. Stop dreaming.
Mourinho has done it third time in 2 years. If Guardiola and his players are capable enough, they should find some way to beat him next time. Let’s see if it happens. Instead of that, all we hear from barca fans is complaining about the tactics.
One important point that is lost on most Barca fans is this: Barcelona plays defensive football too. They use another word for it – it’s called “possession football”. And they’re very proud of it. But whichever way you call it, it’s still a defensive tactic. Even their Barca God, J Cruyff, says so.
So, to all Barca fans, stop this crapping about other teams “parking the bus” or “playing ultra-defensive”. It only shows how very little you know about football, your own team’s football philosophy.
What you’ve said is true, though for this part:
“So, to all Barca fans, stop this crapping about other teams “parking the bus” or “playing ultra-defensive”. It only shows how very little you know about football, your own team’s football philosophy.”
I simply can’t make any sense out of this. Real Madrid did “park the bus” and “play ultra-defensive” regardless of what Barcelona did. Why is that a proof of how we know so little about football? That line or argument simply makes no sense to me. I’m pretty sure Barcelona fans do know their football philosophy is playing possession both as an offensive and defensive tactic. I do not get your point at all.
The argument is when barcelona keeps possession as defensive tactics and denies other teams touch on the ball, why do they complain when some teams let them have it and defend so that they cant create anything ?
Next time Barca doesnt win (probably in the CL), barca fans should stop complaining that the other team is negative because what you do is also the same, although in a different way.
LOL
Who said Barca fans are lost on the fact that their possession game is a “Part” of its defensive tactics, i have yet to meet a cule who thinks otherwise.
Playing at Home, against your biggest rival, trailing in the League with team made by spengin a quarter of a billion dollars and play almost 5 in the middle at most times, THAT is parking the bus, they just parked it a 10 yards higher than Inter did, but its still parked.
@Varun.
LOL. If Real did park the bus 10 yards higher that Inter did, then Barca played “lets park the bus” all over the pitch! LOL.
Get off your high horse, Barca fans. Competitive football includes both defending and attacking, so stop all that chest-beating about your football. What really matters is the end result. Barca won 5 straight clasicos, now that stretch has ended. There’re 3 more to go this season. Let’s see what happens next. This is probably the turning point.
And still the keep-the-ball-barcelona could not beat them with all their attacking superiority. You are one more example of the arrogant barca fan.
Well actually your opinion shows that your probably a fan of Mourinho than Real Madrid. The last time Real Madrid defeated Barcelona it was a scoreline of 4-1. They played with a style that had dismantled Barcelona. The current result only shows that Madrid can only contain Barcelona but cannot beat them. Remember a fair amount of Real Madrid’s chances in that match came from set-piece and free-kick situations. And that Barca fan is not arrogant. Real Madrid is historically known as a side that plays with a great attacking flair. Playing as they did the other day only proves to Barcelona, and the world, that they are an inferior attacking side despite the hundreds of millions spent. Also you heap praises on Madrid’s “defensive” display, but it was their defense that conceded a penalty. If Barcelona could manage to up the tempo and pressing, ala the 5-0 clasico, Madrid’s defense may very well be found out.
When was the ‘Last time’ and did Barca play with this boring possession game then ?
The current result shows that Madrid can contain Barca and win in the second half. They would have won if Khedira scored late. There is room for improvement and they definitely have a chance to win both the Cup and CL.
Real are not a historically attacking side, even now they are one of the best in attack. But they are not headless chickens to play the same way against all teams. They played like this only against Barca and it was needed.
That rubbish about million dollars spent doesnt make sense. This is a new team and even if you spend 500 million, nowhere in the world will you see a team starts winning immediately. They have a great season ahead for next year.
A defeat of 5-0 will happen again only in barca fans dreams.
Regarding Mourinho, yes I like him. He doesn live in dreamland and a proactive coach who learns from past and makes astute tactical changes. If barca fans want high defensive line and holes in midfield for Messi and co to have fun, it wont happen again.
The thing that we all here are so obsessed with Barcelona’s style and how to play/win against them just shows one thing: Their style of play is simply awesomely good and successful. They are THE team to beat, for about ~two years now. Let’s just admit that. They have found an up to recent times relatively unusual and novel system of pressing/passing/creativity football that is ultra-difficult to beat. Credit to them! And other managers are trying like hell to find a way to beat them. Some (have) manage(d), in one or another way within the rules of football. Credit to them, too! I mean, isn’t that the fascination of (the tactics in) football: Someone creating an invincible system – and some others eventually finding ways how to outsmart it…? We can all be happy there is Barcelona and guys like Mourinho trying to beat them.
It’s not clear that Madrid were ‘parking the bus’ as such. Their main strength is on the break due to the pace of their attack, and they were generally quite capable of breaking once they got the ball. Given Barcelona’s not especially aggressive approach to the match, it would have hardly made much sense not to have players getting back to mark the Barcelona players in order to shut off their passing options and attempt to get the ball, which really ended up being the main challenge for them. This was especially clear when they were chasing the 0-1 deficit, and Barcelona essentially passed the ball around the midfield as a defensive strategy, but generally looked vulnerable as soon as Real Madrid gained possession. Given Madrid’s pace on the attack, as well as the pace problems of the Barcelona defence, they could get forward quickly enough that having men marking the Barcelona players and trying to obstruct their passing game wasn’t a particularly defensive move. Certainly, they were hardly ‘ultra-defensive’, it was rather that Barcelona were trying their hardest not to give them the ball, and were quite good at it, so that Madrid had to focus more on this, as really Barcelona’s strongest defence was in their passing rather than their actual defence.
————-Casillas—————-
—Arbeloa–Ramos–Carvalho–Marcelo—
————————————–
——————Pepe—————-
————————-Xabi———
———–Khedira——————–
——————————Ozil—-
——Ronaldo————————-
—————-Adebayor————–
I would be interested in seeing this formation for Copa del Rey, and than bring on Kaka and Di Maria in second half once Barca are more tired. Di Maria’s speeed especially should be reserved for tired defence.
Just shows what a small club Madrid has become. 11 men behind the ball at their own stadium when playing their last card to win the first league in 3 years, saved again by the referee who gave them a fantasy penalty, but celebrating as if they just won the treble for the first time in their history…
This ^
I seriously can’t deal with this
Haters gonna stay pressed I guess
Any team, that recently managed not to lose against Barca, played exactly the same way. The way Barca plays just forces any other team to play with 11 players behind the ball. Has nothing to do with how big or small Madrid has become…
Actually it does because it concedes to Barcelona that they are the better side, attacking wise and technically. For a club like Real Madrid, who has a great history of producing attacking sides with flair, its a bit embarrassing. My guess is that Madridstas are so sick of seeing Barcelona stepping on them, that they would resort to any methods to beat Barca. And remember, this is only a draw. If it was a CL match, Barca would have the advantage. I would wait until the Clasico is over before praise is heaped on their tactics
Could you please explain what you mean by “resort to any methods to beat Barca”? Are you really that narrow-minded? Do you really think that there are morally superior or inferior approaches to play football?
Football is more than the approach that Barcelona follow, although that their approach is fantastically perfect and very succesful. Football is everything that the rules permit in order to be successful, and THAT is the true beauty of it, imo. I mean, if you want to see a style competition go watch figure skating or pair dancing or skateboard half-pipe competitions where it is strictly defined how a certain move or jump is supposed to look like…
Is no one else appalled at Pepe’s character on the pitch? The guy is absolutely disgusting. His behavior is outrageous. Guy is a thug, no other way to describe him as a player. He is a dirty player. How he wasn’t booked last night is incredible. He committed the most fouls of any player on the pitch and didn’t get booked. Usually Spanish refs give yellows if you look at a guy the wrong way, yet Fernandez forgot what persistent infringement was.
I’m not a fan of either club, but Real Madrid are the most hypocritical club in the world. They fired Del Bosque, Capello, and Pelligrini for asinine reasons like not being handsome, playing “defensive football” (even though if you watched Capello’s RM teams, defensive they were not) and finishing a season with 96 points. I don’t have a problem with the way Madrid played last night, but how can Perez and the supporters say with a straight face that they were pleased with that approach last night? Barca really were not interested in winning that game last night, and yet Madrid still didn’t try to win.
If people wanted to know how Barca would fare against Stoke, well we just found out. If you just gave generic uniforms on to Real you wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference between Stoke and them. Long throws into the box, emphasis on set pieces, long balls to a black target man, dirty fouls and tackles, etc. Barca handled it quite well.
That was disgraceful from Real and Mourinho. These next three games are going to be tactically, and from an intensity stand point very interesting and fascinating to watch, but it will show all the ugly aspects of football. Negative play, cynical tackles, complaining to the referee, etc.
Why is it this match coverage alone brings in so many thugs like you to this site. Get your moaning to some tabloid sites trolls. Leave it for tactics.
BTW, this result has brought the situation barca fans have been dreading for. They just cant digest that they could not win when they were chest beating saying they\ll win 5-0 again. Now the usual statement that barca were not interested in winning.. Disgusting trolls.
Well, it’s pretty obvious, isn’t it? Barca fans demand that everyone else must not defend, that everyone else should and must play football in a way that enable their Barca team to score multiple goals. But it’s their exclusive right to employ defensive tactics which they call “possession football” to prevent others from beating them. And when a team stops them from winning the game, all hell breaks loose as if the greatest crimes have been committed against them.
Anyone who said that we will 5-0 is an arrogant twat. Best to ignore. Btw Jan, you act objective but harp on “Barca fans”. Closet Mou fanboy perhaps? In any case the draw better suits Barca. They wrapped up the league and got a taste of what Mou may employ against them in the following Clasicos. They also know how Mou will play with 10 men. Yes Madrid contained Barca, but Barca was not as sharp as they were in the November period. This is not arrogance but fact, as while in Nov, Barca were blowing away teams, now they can only scrape 1-0s. The remaining Clasicos will truly show who is better tactically.
Forgot, a racist thug.
Actually Pepe is a thug. Not necessarily in this match, but overall, I have seen him be as dirty as any player. Kicking players deliberately, that rake on another players back, stomping, etc.
Its admirable that you defend your team Jan, but it was a fair point.
Though Barca are not a team of saints and football purists everyone makes them out to be. Some of the biggest cheats out there, and they will give a kicking as well when they think its needed.
But where has the “racist” thing come from?
“long balls to a black target man”
What do you call this ?
BTW, there is no such thing as ‘my team’ here. Real were the better team yesterday overall and I mentioned it. Some of the barca fans just can’t handle it.
Regarding Pepe, he played in an unusual position yesterday to break down and win balls and barca were caught off-guard. Arsenal tried a similar thing with Song in Emirates, but that didnt come out well.
Pepe may be like you suggested, but he was as disciplined yesterday as much as he could have. Just because Barca couldnt play physical game doesnt mean he deserved a card.
Missed that bit about the target man. Though you might be reaching there. And Jones is black, though Benzema is not, Adebayor came on late. So it might have just been descriptive or he does not know players’ names. Either way, best to leave it.
Regarding who was better. Hmm, I would say it was fairly even. Barca dominated possession, Real defended very well, each team created similar amounts of chances. Barca sat back after they scored and let Real come at them. Was a good comeback with 10 men, but it was not that meaningful in the scheme of things. Barca got what they wanted, a point and the league. Real did as well, came back, were not dominated, both teams can take positives from this match.
Let’s be fair. Pepe and Ramos are both dirty as hell. Alves, Busquets, Ronaldo, and Di Maria are all world class divers. First time I’ve seen Marcelo dive though.
Jan, Pepe is a thug or have you forgotten the ten-match ban that was served upon him for his outburst against Getafe. A physical game is one thing, constant fouling is another. Pepe might have seen red if it were not for Albiol’s sending off. After all, no need to give more ammunition for Mou to whine about.
I was refereing to Adebayor. Benzema is not a target man. Real didn’t start launching balls into the box from open play until Adebayor came on. Both Adebayor and Jones are black, are they not? How does that make me racist? Mentioning someone’s skin color is racist now.
Cut the crap. If it was Stoke, they’d have gone under 10-0 to Barca.
What’s ugly and negative was not the football on display, as both teams have the right to employ defensive tactics to prevent the other side from socring, and attacking tactics to beat the other side. What’s ugly and negative are comments of the ilk such as yours.
A point against a team coached by Mourhino is a great result. In my own opinion, Barca got the job done. Even against a tight Madrid defense, Barca managed to break the defence on one or two occassions. Barca’s objective was to wrap up the league and they did. Good play from Mdrid though in the second half.
What bothers me most about the neo-Barca fans, ones that have only been fans since 2006 and onwards, basically the Messi-Xavi Barca fans, is that they are so arrogant they won’t even applaud a competitor that plays well against them.
I remember Ronaldinho getting a standing ovation from Madrid fans at the Bernabeu when he tore us apart in 05.
I also remember Carles Puyol personally congratulating all the Madrid players in 07 when we won the title with like 5 games to spare and they performed the guard of honor at that clasico.
These were times of decent sportmanship between Madrid and Barca. Now it seems like Messi and Xavi and co think so highly of themselves, that they can do no wrong. Where did the class go from Barca, they used to be a shining example of great team that respected everyone, now they are overconfident and smug.
You seem to be a neo-Madrid fan because you don’t seem to know that in 2008 (not 2007) Messi and Xavi were also part of the guard of honour.
There was a time when Madrid fans weren’t whining the whole day. Now they just follow the example of their coach-of-the-day (who sees them as just another team on his way to his dream club Man United) and they cry, and cry, and cry… Meanwhile, Barça just play football.
I’ve been a Madrid fan since I started watching football in 2002. My friend got me into it that year and I have supported Madrid ever since, through the bad years and the good.
I will tell you now, this is the best season we have had since 2002 when we won the CL. We may not win any titles, but for the first time in a decade, we are actually fighting for the Copa and the CL.
I am a Madrid fan for 9 years, and I am a proud one at that!
Fan for 8-9 years – jumped on the galacticos band wagon, i suppose – and already having the arrogance to describe others as neo-fans. Madrid was a good team choice for you, indeed…
Mate you’re just as bad for looking down on people like this. If you don’t grow up with football then why would you not pick a good team to support? It’s not like they’ve stopped supporting when Madrid weren’t that great.
Not looking down on him. Just saying he’s as bad (or good, as far as I’m concerned) as the people he arrogantly looks down on.
If you look at the game again you’ll see that one of the main turning points in this game was the substitution of Puyol. This took the defensive element out of midfield and weakened the defense. Up until that point Barcelona were pretty comfortable aside from set pieces. With Mascherano back for Wednesday the midfield will be bolstered even if Puyol is unavailable.
I’m a little bit more confident looking into the Copa and CL games now as tactically I think Mourinho has decided to try and nullify Barca’s threat rather then try to impose themselves in any attacking sense. This will be quite a tiring and frustrating experience for Real and they may be physically and mentally drained by the 2nd leg in the Nou Camp.
For Wednesdays game I think we’ll see a resurgance in David Villa’s form playing in his old home stadium. Real will spend the game chasing the ball again, even more so with an early goal from Barca.
Barcelona have 3 more games where they probe and prod the Real defense. Real have 3 more tiring games where they chase and harry. This is an advantage that hasn’t been mentioned much.
Some good points. Keita in midfield didn’t work out fine, Mascherano was missed there when Busquets moved to centre-back. In fact, Guardiola planned to bring Keita for Pedro, but then Puyol got injured and he had to change the plan.
Villa is having a bad spell, but mainly regarding the scoring part of his game. He works hard in defense and his moves are still a pain for the opponent’s defense. Penalty foul on him against Almeria last weekend, and two penalty fouls on him yesterday (one not given). So he is still decisive, although he’s kiling a lot of good chances. One day his luck will have to change.
Well Real wont be taking their league game seriously, no chance of losing 2nd, so they will rest players. Both teams work hard. Barca’s movement off the ball in possession is what makes them great, among other things, so its not as if they are standing around.
Barca has a slight edge, but I think the teams match up pretty well. Ream can play patient defence and try to counter, they have the speed and quality to do it. And they do have enough quality to actually go at Barca.
And I think Jose will vary the tactics. This was the least meaningful one of the 4. Even if Real won it would mean nothing in terms of the league. Pep recognized this as well and Barca played patient possession football without really trying to attack. Once they got the goal they sat back, because even a draw was fine for them.
We may see a bit more of rotation from Barca, with Messi, Villa, Pedro and Iniesta switching positions to confuse Madrid. I think they will be more flexible, especially for the cup final. The first leg of the CL will be cagey again with neither team wanting to get caught out. But the final, though a trophy, wont mean as much, and might free the players and managers,
As for Mascherano, well, he is a red card waiting to happen. Against quick attacker he might have problems, he always did. Playing behind such a great attack helps him and keeps him calm, but if Real play well he might just lose it. Puyol is by far more important.
I am amazed Pepe made the full 90 minutes without seeing a yellow card, how many fouls did he make? And he absolutely held nothing back for every single challenge, some were clearly more violent than other challenges that ended up in yellows…
But props for Mourinho because his moves worked fairly well, even if the result benefits Barça more. I was disappointed with Barcelona in this game, with plenty of possession but almost all of it far from the goal or even in their own pitch. Barça lacked flow and ambition, or perhaps we have got used to expecting too much from them?
And I never thought I’d say this, because he is absolutely one of my favourite players, but I thought David Villa was rubbish. One of the worst games I’ve seen him play, disrupting attacks and finishing very badly.
Perhaps a strategy for Real for the next few Classicos could be combining the first half with the second half strategy, ie playing Pepe in the midfield but also Ozil in the wing instead of Di Maria? That way you gain physicality but also keep the creative spark of the side with a player that is also excellent in counter-attacks. Note that Pepe being player as a defensive midfielder was often criticised harshly by the portuguese press as an “obviously wrong” strategy by Carlos Queiroz in the national team, wonder what they think of it now.
I’ve never seen so many dives as when i watch a Barca game. You Barca fans understand that Biscuits grabing his face in horror as though someone has taken a chunk of meat out of his face, when a hand is within 25 feet of him, doesn’t = a foul, right?
Pepe had played a perfectly legal match in ANY league in the world. The fact that so many Barca fans are complaining about Pepe and his “tough” defense is too funny to bear.
Thank you for a well written review.
I have to say that I, as a madridista was very pleased with how the team played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2oUEYx6w40
Pepe’s contribution…
Pretty damn awesome I’d say. People will complain that he is playing too rough. However, in many leagues other than the spanish (e.g., Bundesliga, premier League) there are plenty of players playing physically as he does. Granted, Pepe is a bit special and has a freak-out every now and then
Thanks RB for the link. Around 3:35 in the video you can see the typical example of what Barcelona’s “Sunday football fans” (to football what “chauffeur du dimanche” is to driving) invariably scream as foul and dirty play, that is Iniesta dead-swan flying to the turf as soon as he is cleanly dispossed. Plenty of situations like that one during the match.
Although i’m Barca fan, credit to Pepe for his tactical brilliance and consistency.
Pellegrini was fired last season for finishing 3 points behind Barca, making the last 16 of the Champions League and the final 32 of the Copa del Rey. Mourinho’s much stronger squad is being praised to high heaven for being 8 points behind Barca, and likely to finish 10 or more behind (Madrid visit Valencia and Villareal, while Barca have a laughably easy run in). It’s incredible that over 100 million euro worth of spending put them further away from the league title. In fairness, they are in the semi final of the Champions League and the final of the Copa del Rey.
My question for Madrid fans is: If Madrid lose the Champions League Semifinal, the Copa del Rey Final, and the league by more than 10 points (all likely prospects), how will you respond? Would you demand Mourinho, Valdano, and/or Perez’s head? Or would you simply give them carte blanche to outspend everybody again and stockpile talent?
Barcelona are facing teams that fight for staying in La Liga, while both Valencia and Villareal are quite secure on their 3rd and 4th positions, respectively.
I don’t buy that argument. Are you telling me you’d rather face Valencia at the Mestalla than Osasuna at the Camp Nou? Weak and desperate teams that need results will have to attack, and Barca will tear them apart with ease. Valencia can prove that this is not a two team league by defeating Madrid, and also don’t have to worry about any other competitions. I’m actually expecting a draw or a Madrid loss in that game, as the league is all but over and the game is sandwiched between two Clasicos. Going on the road is a big penalty for Madrid, as they have the same record as Barca at home this season but are much worse on the road. Madrid will drop points at some point in the run in either against Sevilla, Valencia, Villareal, whereas Barca’s toughest game is the derby against Espanyol.
Also forgot to mention: Villa’s strike rate is now worse than Ibrahimovic’s from last year. Just something to think about…
Who are you kidding? Barca just purchased the 2nd most expensive player in the world last year in Ibra. They spent tens of millions + gave away a superior striker in Eto’o. They then purchased a CB in Chryginski for 25million euros. Both those players flopped to high heaven, and so what do they do? Spend another 40+ million on a different striker in Villa and spend another 25 million for Macherano. THE VERY NEXT YEAR.
I find it humorous that Barca fans are acting as though they dont spend huge amounts of money. Madrids biggest purchase last year was DiMaria for 25 million, you guys spent more than that on Mascherano and Villa by himself cost 40+ million. WTF are you talking about?
How much was Afellay then? He was at least 10M if I recall…
Indeed, Mourinho was relatively tame spending wise. 25 for Dimaria, 10 for Khedira, 15 for Ozil. Adebayor is just on loan, right? Benzema the earlier season was about 35M though.
Afellay only cost 4 million euro, because he was in the final year of his contract
@plyka
You completely missed my point. My point was that Perez unjustly fired Manuel Pellegrini, and that Mourinho’s performance this season has been vastly overrated. Based on La Liga results, Pellegrini had a better season than Mourinho’s current one (even if Madrid win all of the rest of their games, they won’t reach 96 points). Pellegrini’s team matched Barca at the Camp Nou (barca won 1-0, but Ronaldo and Higuain should have scored. Madrid created more chances that game), while Mourinho was humiliated 5-0 in the same fixture. Yet everybody demanded Pellegrini’s job, and nobody wants to fire Mourinho. Is Mourinho simply better with the media?
Compared to Pellegrini, Mourinho got much more freedom to choose his players as well. He had input into all of the signings, and even got the extra striker he wanted in January. Pellegrini was forced to fit both Ronaldo and Kaka into the team, when neither of them fit his ideal system. Perez decided to sell the perfect playmaker for Pellegrini’s system (Sneijder), and also forced him to play Raul more often than he deserved. Even though his situation is so much better than Pellegrini’s, Mourinho still sees fit to complain every single week. He continually overlooks the fact that he has the deepest squad in the world and the second best first XI on earth.
I acknowledge that Jose is an amazing manager, i’m just sick of the double standard.
It is always bad for a team, if the coach, the manager, and the president of a club want to be involved in deciding on transfers, formations, tactics at all of them. And if they have different opinions and cannot agree with each other so they need to fight via the press, even worse. Look at Bayern Muenchen this season, for example…
Few excuses left for Mourinho if he fails…
Hi Barcafans,
Don’t let the madrid fans draw you into meaningless discussions. They draw with 10 men after the 5-0, it’s normal they feel happy as they see progress. And we have to admid, they made some gains in their game.
Second, there are 2 reasons why we gaven’t won:
1) tactically: Barca came to get maximum gains with minimal effort with the the league already in the bag and more games coming up. Cruyf said it, we only need to win the 2nd and de 4th classico. Barca players are only human and you can’t expect them to win all 4 games 3-0. Trust me, i this game was the only classico you would have seen a different Barca. Barca players are far more experienced and they know when hold back and when to give it all.
2) form of players: I beleive Iniesta, Alvez, Xavi and Messi aer in excellent form they just didn’t show it for the reasons mentionned above. Pedro and Villa however are experiencing some problems, and they need to start scoring because messi can’t be the only one doing it.
In general, Madrid players worked very hard, and will ne more exhausted wednesday. And I believe we will see a very different game and you will all be praising the best team in history again.
So don’t get angry wit some madridista’s, after 3 years, they didn’t lose so they are happy. But wat counts are the titles.
The Classic on Saturday showed the superiority in terms of distribution of game, the Barca team against Real Madrid. Typically, the Barcelona has the ball and complete more passes than his rival, but the difference is very high if we consider that all of Mourinho aims to end the hegemony of the club.
See, this is how to play Barca, pseudo man marking. When you have a fit team and discipline, this is how you play them. concentrate on your man, dont let him receive the ball. And you guys slamming me the last time I said this (“crazy to man mark against Barca, your players will be tired chasing shadow”). Well, you dont have to match and chase Barca’s ball possession, let ‘em have it, as long as they’re passing sideways/back, punish them as quickly as possible when they’re losing possession. Even Schalke 04 will give Barca a hard time if they meet in the CL, because they’re fit and discipline.
People talk about the possession as if it proves that Barcelona were superior, it’s rather the opposite. Hear me out.
Mourinho and Madrid knows that you can’t give away space to Barcelona, so while defending pretty aggressively they can’t pressurize to much because it will free up space when players move out of defensive positions. Giving Barcelona what they are looking for when they play the waiting game. Barcelona, if they are interested in scoring, have to take risks in offense (play harder balls, dribble in dangerous areas) when Real Madrid have such a solid defensive approach. In this game Barcelona didn’t need the win. Thus they could settle with not taking risks and just playing it safe with possession (short passes from midfield to defense). Had they attacked with more risk, Real Madrid would have won the ball more often and the possession stats would have been different.
There is no arguing that Barcelona was the most defensive team in this game. They had the most of the ball and didn’t look like they intended to go forward for 80 % of that time while Real Madrid always were looking to create something as soon as they got the ball. Even with a man down.
It will be very interesting to see how Barcelona perform against Madrid when they do have to score. The Copa del Rey final will be the first, Barcelona will look to avoid penalties as Real Madrid have more solid spot kickers and a better goalie. Also Barcelona will want to avoid extra time since Real Madrid have more threats coming off the bench (Kaká, Higuain, Özil, Di Maria depending on who’ll start) and thus will have better players with full stamina in extra time.
In CL, Barcelona will need to get a goal in the Bernabeu, once again they will have to have intent in their possession. Mou knows he can shut down the Barcelona midfield now while still being just as dangerous as them when the ball is won. So an away goal is a must for Barcelona.
Also, Barcelona will suffer more from exhaustion in the last games. They don’t have any kind of real threat coming from the bench. While Real Madrid have the luxury of being able to field a fully rested Higuain, Kaká, Özil, Lass, Adebayor, Benzema or Di Maria in any of the games while still fielding very dangerous players in the game where they choose to rest any of the given players.
Xavi, Messi, Iniesta and Villa already looks exhausted and off their sparkling best.
Real Madrid are still underdogs in the upcoming games but this is a bigger win mentally for them than people realize, they fought back and drew after loosing a player and getting a penalty against them at the same time (the most detrimental thing that can happen in football). It will make a world of confidence for the team which must have been very nervous going into this game knowing what happened last time.
I think that the possession stat hardly indicates dominance in this game, it rather reflects the different styles of the teams playing. Real Madrid generally played a direct game with quick attacks on the break, which generally seemed quite capable of creating chances. Conversely, Barcelona played a short passing game, and the aggressive defensive positioning of the Real Madrid team meant that they were often just passing back and staying around the midfield. Really, for Madrid, it’s probably better that they didn’t dominate possession against Barcelona, as their strength seems to be largely in the pace of their attack, and if they had the same possession as a team playing like Barcelona did here, then this would imply that they were not really exploiting this. Of course, it could be that they dominated the game enough to gain a majority of possession despite the difference, but against an established Barcelona side this is unlikely.
Very nice, elaborate arguments. Agreed on your reasoning. Barca was not only defensive though. Would rather call it careful. They were looking for the cheap and easy opportunities that many teams offer them, but when they did not get many they were ok with that. Also Real played careful the first half. They tried not to overcommit and not to concede, lurking for the easy breaks. Think you are right about your prediction for the other 3 matches. But maybe one of the managers pulls out a surprise all-out attack at the beginning of a match?
@ZM
Don’t know if someone said / questioned / answered that before but: Do you have an explanation why Xabi Alonso was taken of and not an other player?
Özil looked good and I think will start in one of the three games.
I hope Mourinho will play one game wit ha more attacking style. Maybe one of the semi-finals, depending on the results (in the first game) or the will to redo Inter tactics.
He was too slow to play fast attacking in the second half, and Mou either wanted great defensive midfielders or a very fast attack on the field. Brought on Adebayor for target man, and holding up ball, brought on Ozil for speed and skill, took off Alonso because they didn’t need a player to take time to pick passes, they needed speed demons to rush up field.
Okay, thanks
But I have to say that Adebayor didn’t look impressive (okay Benzema looked… was he in the stadium? Was Real playing with 10 men from minute one? Mou shouldn’t complain about the ref then.). Adebayor had problmes to control the ball. If Real is doing transfers in the summer (of course they will), they should buy a striker (Higuain is very good, Benzema okay). As far as I’ve heard Real is going for Sahin from Dortmund (who is a midfielder, style like Schweinsteiger)
Read that too about Sahin. Don’t think though that it will happen. Some ideas: 1) Sahin is still young, and is just about to win his first BL title with Dortmund. Wouldn’t it be nice to play his first CL season with all his young mates, buddies (guys – sorry, too much SP here
) and friends for Dortmund? Also, I guess he will feel he owes it to the club to stay, at least for one or two seasons.
2) Who would he replace at Madrid? If anybody then Xabi Alonso; don’t think the Madrid fans would like that. Otherwise just a luxury item on the bench.
3) I guess it is more exciting to play for Dortmund than to play for Madrid. Better fans, better stadium, better (more competitive) league. Less money, though, and not such a nice place to live probably.
About:
1) What I’ve heard BVB is searching for a replacement (Gündogan from Nürnberg). And contract talks with Sahin are not proceeding. But you never know, maybe it’s about money or about the right time to announce the deal.
2) I see the same problem, but I don’t know what Mourinho sees (or might see) in him. Maybe a type like Schweinsteiger, but not expensive. That’s up to the club or the manager.
3) More excitment to play in Dortmund or a garbage truck full of money? Don’t think that this point affects many players (at least it’s not as important as many think). We talk about Real. Neuer will go to Bayern München and Schalke has a better crowd (but no Champions League football next season).
And also, what more can Sahin achieve with Dortmund? Bundesliga Champion is the maximum.
I think we just have to wait for what will happen. As long as this storys are not big in Spain the rumours in Germany don’t matter.
Yeah, we’ll have to see what happens
About Dortmund’s next season: If they manage to keep their squad toghether, and maybe get a few extra players, I see them as one of maybe 8 realistic competitors for the CL title… don’t you think?
I don’t try to think that far ahead.
Just take a look at this season in Europe. Okay, a little bad luck, but over all not that impressive. (the game in Lviv was great. And the 0-1 defeat in Sevilla, i think, was a lesson in european cup football.)
I wait for the the signings. But to play this pressing game against experienced teams is difficult. Top 8 is somthing that can happen, but more would surprise me.
If they change their style a little bit, don’t lose important players and sign one or two good players for more squad depth they will do good.
I thik they have to learn how to be patient. At the moment they play ~15 min. extreme pressing at the beginning of their games. But that don’t impress much in europe, in the Champions League you have to score when you have the chance. Inzaghi doesn’t have this many goals for nothing, he is patient and he doesn’t need much chances. With Raul the same, he is also a hard worker.
If I remember correct, Dortmund needs many chances to score. That has to change.
If Dortmund is able to keep this team together for a few years, it will become a big team.
Oh about this match.
think Barca was happy to play the clock down. Later in the game both were doing more, maybe coz of the battle and the spirit. But Barca was happy with the draw and Real doesn’t care much either. The league title was / is too far away to put the cards on the table for Mourinho.
Of cource both would have taken a victory, but not without reserve.
I was quite impressed with Real and continue to be ever more impressed with Mourinho’s tactical smarts. The Real defence was multi-faceted. Having just a single strategy with Barca will never be enough, you need to deal with the central threat as well as the threat on both wings.
1. Congest the centre of the pitch and compete tightly for the ball.
2. Drill Marcelo into tracking the wide runner.
3. Push Ronaldo high right to keep Adriano pinned back – removing the threat wide left.
Based on the 5-0 game, I wouldn’t have thought this would work. You’ve still got Villa attacking Sergio Ramos, and surely no one can track Daniel Alves.
But the genius of Mourinho is to see that actually, most of Barca’s critical threat comes from attacking runs through the D on the penalty area – regardless of what Alves, Villa or Messi does around the penalty area. So provide a narrow shield in front of each centre half and you’re most of the way there. What he really needs is, say, Ashley Cole.
The tactical duel bodes well for the CL tie. I can see Mourinho winning it 1-1 on aggregate. 0-0 at the Bernabeu, 1-1 at the Nou Camp. It will hinge on Pepe and whichever 2 centre halves.
Having said that Barca did play within themselves and the biggest threat to their continued domination looks to be the loss of Abidal.
Strange. All this talk about Messi, Xavi and Co. And the ‘biggest threat to their continued domination’, how you call it, is the loss of Abidal or Puyol.
It proves that every team needs a good grounding.
Well DiStefane just came out and said “Barca were Lions, Madrid a mouse”
Thats about it in this argument i’d say of how disgraceful Madrid were to their heritage with its “ultra-defensive” tactics at home on Saturday.
This is not “just” a team, its Real Madrid, still the greatest historical club side in the world, and that takes some saying coming from a hardcore cule.
just to be clear)
(Although best “team” ever is this Barca
Pretty mean, gigantic mouse, I’d say then. Well, I am not Spanish, and I do not know much about the legend of Di Stefano. Either way, it seems questionable what he wants, and it looks like he’s losing it, generally. If he wants Madrid to win against Barca by playing purely ‘offensive’ pressing, passing, and ball-retention football, then he should advise his managers to buy Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquets and put them in the Real squad. Or he should have ~10-20 years of patience until Madrid have built up a youth system and a philosophy like Barcelona. If he simply wants Madrid to play attack-minded football as they are yet able to play he should prepare for devastating losses as the 5-0 earlier that season. If he simply wants Real to (have a chance to) win, he should be happy about Mourinho’s bitter medicine: Let Barca combine where it does not matter (their own half) but disturb them in the centre. Hit them where they are weak atm: Their defence when high up the pitch.
“legend of Di Stefano”?
Madrid IS Di Stefano,
this is the simplest way of putting it.
What he says matters more than any other individual related with the club.
He had supported Mourinho and the Team for the last 6 months and more, its not like he does this sort of thing all the time.
And he didn’t even say to attack, what he alluded to was how “Madrid lacked Personality” which is still an insult.
@plyka
There is nothing out of context, go to Marca and read for yourself, i don’t need to make conjecture one should get that on their own.
Most Madrid fans i suppose would just pretend they never heard this But it happened.
You were right, my apologies. You didn’t take much out of context.
You are taking things out of context, and i’m pretty sure it’s on purpose. He said that Madrid didn’t play in their personality, but still drew against a Barca playing their hardest and with a 1 man advantage.
There is one thing that I believe most of you have missed.
THE FIRST BATTLE OF THE APRIL-MAY BARÇA – REAL WAR.
This was the 1st game of a series, whatever Read Mardid may say Mourinho knew the league was lost. This game was just one giant mind game, a perfect chance to undermine Barçalona for the next few games.
Does anyone actually think Barça didn’t go into the Santiago Bernabéu gunning for a win? Just look at the line-up. Barça went in at full strength, after winning 5-0 at home it wanted a win at Real Madrid’s home ground. It was a derby with the added bonus of crushing the spirit of RM before the next games.
Guardiola’s objective was to win and set up the next few games.
Mourinho had two more objectives then Pep; Give his team confidence playing against Barçalona after a 5-0 defeat and knock the confidence out of Barçalona.
Does anyone think RM’s players doubt that they can win against Barça after this game?
What do you think happen to Barçalona’s confidence in its own strength? They must have had flashbacks to Inter’s game last season. Against 10 men they couldn’t even hold the one goal advantage.
Psychologically both teams shifted in this one game. RM was the clear winner of this mind game.
It is also noteworthy that lots of people are commenting that Mourinho made mistakes in fielding some of the players. Were they really mistakes? Why on earth would Mourinho tip his hand on a game of little consequence?
I’m just wondering if he will tip his hand in the Copa Del Rei or if he will try to hold it till the Champions League. Just which trophy will he choose to go after.
I’ve got my own ideas on what he may do and I for one can’t stand the wait.
JS
Yaa.. keep telling yourself that.
“Guardiola’s objective was to win and set up the next few games.”
I think all coaches play to win it, it would be embarrassing to the club, players and fans if the coach says that they are playing for a draw; specially for a club this big.
“What do you think happen to Barçalona’s confidence in its own strength? They must have had flashbacks to Inter’s game last season. Against 10 men they couldn’t even hold the one goal advantage.”
Nah, i think they are fine. Last year against inter they were in a disadvantage the tie was 3-1 so they NEEDED to win. This time, they said they went to Bernabeu to win but in truth, looking how they played they are still comfortable with the draw.
So which is it did Barça play to win or play for a draw?
If you really believe all coaches play to win regardless of the teams they face this response may well go over your head.
You think that given the rivalry between both clubs and the fact that Barça won the last derby 5-0 Barça didn’t go for the win? This is the same club that nearly had a collective nervous breakdown when they were stopped short of going into the Champions League Final last year in the Bernabéu.
As far as Barça’s players were concerned they were the Title holders and this years Champions going up against their rival RM, which may have improved a bit but stil lost to Sporting de Gijeon. Add to that the fact that Barça have made it a personal goal of defeating Mourinho. Winning in the Bernabéu was garanteed, just a question of showing up and playing their game.
There is no way Barça went away happy with a draw playing against 10 men.
Mourinho however probably left with a big smile, secure in the knowledge that Barça was showing the 1st crack.
The mere fact that this discussion about possession is going on this far screams one fact. Barcelona is superior in every way and you haters cannot handle it. It is well known that Barca does not do well without the ball. The coach even stated it. Seems pretty logical that if that were the case then shouldn’t I play possession and keep the ball from them. Problem is you can’t because you are not good enough to do it. If what Barca does was so easy then how come others don’t do it to them? Arsenal was a cheap copy and we all saw what Madrid tried to do in November. Bottom line, what Barca does and how they do it is unique. There are no copies, they are the original and yes they are superior. Deal with it.
It could be that Real Madrid are a different team from Barcelona and are not based around a possession game. If one is looking for a faster and direct attack, then of course one isn’t going to play the same way as Barcelona, who were perfectly content to pass back and forth around the midfield and defence for a while, and as such one won’t retain the ball as long. It could make sense to ‘play possession and keep the ball from them’, but I think that it would be somewhat silly to attempt this without taking into account one’s own strengths. Especially given that Barcelona’s defence is having pace issues presently, it is not clear that Madrid would gain much from giving Barcelona time to get back and defend, especially given that Barcelona’s own style, as well as Real Madrid’s offence, would mean that any weaknesses of Barcelona without the ball would be most apparent with a faster offence before Barcelona can get back from their offensive positions.
Barcelona aren’t going to do badly without the ball a priori, how they do without the ball depends on what the other team does with it. Of course Barcelona are going to be better at playing like Barcelona than a team that does not try or train to play like Barcelona on a regular basis, but that’s not really saying much.
Why people like you cant admit that there are different ways to play football ? Barcelona are superior not in every way, but in keeping the ball. In the same way, other teams are good in certain other things. If they are so superior, why cant they win a single CL knockout game in the last 3 years away from home ? Because, they cant control the ball that much as in home and as their defense is weak, other teams score. Example, Inter’s 3-1 win last year. They did not play defensively in that game, pressed, hassled and beat Barca. Same for Arsenal this year when they beat them 2-1.
Just because you score so many goals in La liga with inferior defenses, it doesnt mean you are invincible. Barca’s style of play suits them to win titles and hence they play that way. They will not be so successful in EPL, Bundesliga or Seria A.
Arrogant Barca fans and their possession ideologues are geting so vulgar these days that anyone who plays against their will are deemed as ‘Negative’. They want other teams to have high defensive line, push men forward so that they can have plenty of space and Messi and co can have a funny day in the pitch. If some team denies them space and hit them in the counter with raw pace, they are negatives and anti-football. What a logic !
What I find particularly interesting is the fact that playing over a third of your passes as square passes is not seen as “negative.” Or that the square pass and back pass for Barcelona is the equivalent of “parking the bus” and is, to be honest, more of a defensive than offensive strategy (i.e., don’t let the other team have the ball). Or that Barcelona is not the highest scoring team in La Liga. Or that Barcelona’s style is strictly conducive to the “negative” tactics that teams take toward them. Thus, if teams seem to employ “negative” tactics when playing Barcelona, it is largely because Barcelona’s tactics for all but a handful of brief flashes during any given game is the most “negative” football around…
There is an error in my comment. Barcelona is the highest scoring team in La Liga…must have been remembering a statistic about home goals…
Sorry.
Given that Madrid was on the receiving end of a 5-0 humiliation the last time these teams met, I would say that a 1-1 draw with 10 men was a massive psychological victory for Mourinho – especially leading into the UCL Semis, and let’s not forget that the trophy is there for the taking, because whoever wins this semi would have to fancy their chances against the other finalist…and any domestic league title pales in comparison to the kudos of winning the UCL.
Yes, no doubt that these two Spanish giants are the best 2 teams in the world. Barca is #1 and it looks like Madrid is now #2. Man United have simply not been the same team since Ronaldo left, and Chelsea/Arsenal, who knows what’s going on, but they don’t look good. Bayern and Inter have both really fallen off from last year, and it seems both are due to coaching issues.
This semi-final champions league tie is going to be one for the ages. I consider us fans as lucky, since we get to see these giants in a two leg tie. It’s always the best when the 2 best teams meet in the semi-finals because there is more chance that the better team wins, and it’s much more interesting to watch 2 leg ties.
If one doesn’t get a #2 team with $290 million spending spree, they deserve to die.
Not particularly, at least not immediately. One buys individuals, not teams.
I second that.
Psychologically Real Madrid came out on top of this game.
P.S. After whaching the second game for the Cup just now, I really do believe that this game played a major role.
I love how another person with Real Madrid connections (former coach Angel Cappa) has come out publicly to support Barcelona because of their exciting, attacking style of play.
Valencia and Villareal both took the game to Barcelona. Though I think Real Madrid is a better team than those two, it’s shocking to see Real Madrid not even try to impose itself.
Except that Valencia and Villareal didnt have to play against Barcelona 4 times in a month, with more important games ahead like the cup final and CL semifinal. Amazing people see games in isolation without any context.
The isolated view has some advantages. I think as a manager / coach you should think about all four games when it comes to strategy, game plan etc.
But to motivate your players and in the media you should use the isolated view.
I would prefer to say that this game is about the Cup or the league etc. and not about the biggest series in football history since … ever!
It is easier to focus on only this one (the next) game, like it is the last you will ever play. If you win all four, that wold be a natural development. If you lose one, it was just a Cup game or first leg semi-final.
acording to tonight match, “winning eleven” for Real might be…
——-Casillas———-
Arbeloa-Ramos-Carvalho-Marcelo
———-Pepe————–
—-Khedira—-Alonso——-
Ozil—————-Di Maria
———Ronaldo———–
I was right few days ago…
The tides have turned in Spain…. Sporting Gijon’s defeating Madrid a couple weeks ago and the clasico draw in the league handed the title to Barca but Mou is the King of Cup matches, and the Copa del Rey is ours now, and we will win the CL too.
Sure hope Mou has your attitude Jordan! Then it will be a walk for FCB!
4jZyOz ufacvycdvzfb