Brazil encouraging, but not yet cohesive

Brazil's overall formation
Whereas his predecessor Dunga had a very consistent, specific shape in his latter days as Brazil manager, Mano Menezes has switched between systems. He started off with a 4-2-1-3 against the USA, then moved to a 4-4-2 against France recently.
In this game, he was hampered by various withdrawals through injury (particularly attacking players) and therefore sent out a side in a strange 4-3-3ish system, which dominated possession but lacked fluency in the final third of the pitch.
Tactically, the back four was fairly unremarkable – recalls to Lucio and Julio Cesar meant that, along with Andre Santos and Thiago Silva, the defence had a distinctly Dunga-esque feel to it, though Dani Alves is now first-choice at right-back ahead of Maicon.
Ahead of them, Lucas was the primary holding midfielder. He played slightly right-of-centre and generally remained in his position, doing what he does for Liverpool – intercepting, closing down, playing the ball calmly from side to side, and rarely joining attacks. He was assisted by Ramires, who played to the left of Lucas (rather than to the right, as is usual), and played an energetic role.
Ramires’ role differed from his old ’shuttling’ role, however – rather than forced to cover an entire flank by himself, he had Neymar wide on the left, so instead played a box-to-box role, getting himself into the penalty area. Neymar’s role was not unlike Robinho’s old role, starting from the left but coming inside very quickly, with and without the ball. Upfront, Leandro Damiao was a ‘prima punta’ – holding the ball up, winning headers.
The confusion came from the roles of Elano and Jadson, who both played attacking, rightish roles in midfield. Elano started off looking like a central playmaker but actually dropped deeper and formed midfield three, whilst Jadson was half a No 10, half a winger. It was difficult to see what he was trying to do, and he contributed little to the game. The two got in each others’ way a couple of times and meant Brazil didn’t stretch the play enough with the ball.
Defensive shape

Brazil's defensive shape
Brazil’s defensive shape was interesting, because they morphed into a side that defended with two banks of four on the rare occasions they came under sustained pressure from Scotland. Strangely, Ramires moved out to defend the left flank, Lucas moved left-of-centre, with Elano dropping into the right-centre channel and Jadson defending the right.
This meant that Brazil’s right side was far weaker than their left – both because (a) Lucas and Ramires are simply much stronger defensively than Elano and Jadson and (b) the former two were already in a deep position and could shuffle across easily, whereas the latter duo had the retreat 20-30 yards to take up their defensive positions.
Upfront, Neymar stayed in a wide-left role, pinning back Scotland’s right-back (which made Brazil even more secure down that side).
Substitutions
The most encouraging factor in terms of Brazil’s shape was that there was a stark improvement after the break, in two main respects. First, Neymar continued to be a force in the game but stayed much wider and expanded the active playing zone, which increased the gaps in Scotland’s defence and made them easier to play through.
Second, Jadson made lateral runs from the right flank into the centre of the pitch, which took Scotland’s left-back inside and opened up space for Alves, who was much more prominent in the second half – he should have had an assist, had Ramires not blazed over the crossbar from 12 yards.
The introduction of Lucas (Rodrigues Moura da Silva, of Sao Paulo) in the second half also gave Brazil drive and dribbling from the centre of the pitch – he was highly impressive, and it’s a shame he didn’t start over Jadson.
What went right?
Leandro Damião had a promising debut. He is something approaching an ‘old-fashioned’ number nine, someone who can provide a central physical presence whilst Brazil’s more creative players play around him.

Brazil as their attacking moves developed
Ramires was also good (aside from his shooting) – he provided bursts of energy from the centre of midfield, which partially compensated that Brazil had no ‘number ten’ in the side, as he linked midfield and attack.
Neymar was fantastic – the best player on the pitch by far – and looks to be suited to a wide-left role with the freedom to come inside.
Brazil’s pressing was also very effective, although Scotland were poor in possession. Against stronger opposition there may be a problem with either (a) space between the lines or (b) space in behind the defence, as Lucio and Thiago Silva were reluctant to come too far up the pitch.
What went wrong?
The Elano/Jadson confusion was the main problem – they simply played too close together and were too predictable.
On a related note, Brazil didn’t take advantage of Daniel Alves’ runs often enough. Part of the problem was Jadson – in the first half he stayed too wide, and Alves missed having a Lionel Messi / Pedro Rodriguez character to move inside and open up space, though the situation improved in the second half – after Alves could be seen shouting at Jadson to move out of his way.
In a more complex manner, Alves was rarely making runs on the blind side, as he loves to do at Barcelona. There, Barcelona often build up play in the left-centre channel with Andres Iniesta, and Alves charges down the opposite flank. However, Brazil’s ‘equivalent’ of Iniesta was either Elano or Jadson (or both) – who were down the right. Therefore, Scotland’s attention was already on that side of the pitch, and Alves was in full view.
There also remains a slight problem down the left (a hangover from the Dunga era) – to allow Neymar to come inside, Brazil need someone able to consistently overlap down the left. Andre Santos did reasonably well, but there still wasn’t quite the understanding down that wing – perhaps that will come with time.
Brazil encouraging, but not yet cohesive




For anyone disappointed at lack of Scotland talk…
For international friendlies I usually take the sides separately (after all, managers are experimenting with their own shape rather than trying to get the better of the opposition). So I wrote about Brazil first…then it came to Scotland, and I really couldn’t think what to say. Morrison was decent, Adam was poor, but tactically there was little to remark. Apologies
haha the match was all brazil after the first 10-15 mins, which was when scotland began sitting deep for the rest of the match.
ZM. Great post. cheers ….will you write abt the mid-week friendlies?
Thanks for the review, ZM! I watched the game, and the commentators tried to sell Brazil’s lineup as a 4-4-2 which I was constantly trying to see
Tonight will be the Germany-Australia friendly. Might become interesting, as Loew wants to try
a) a whole bunch of promising youngsters (Dortmund, Mainz), and
b) there is rumour he will ‘experiment’ with a 4-2-2-2-ish system…
As a teaser in case you doubt (whether/) which friendly to cover
Wouldn’t worry about the lack of Scotland talk, they were fairly unremarkable. Adam was awful though, in pretty much every respect.
Great tactical analysis as usual though, I always feel I’m learning something new with each of your reports. The point about Alves’ blind-side runs and building attacking moves from the right side not suiting him was particularly insightful, cheers!
This is not surprising considering Guardiola’s doctrine that if you begin a move on the left-side of the pitch, you should finish it on the right-and side and vice-versa. He mentioned this back in 2008 before taking over as manager.
Great write up ZM, I am Scottish and take no offence at you not commenting on our useless team haha.
I wonder if Pato will play in Jadson’s position in the future, forming a front 3 with Neymar and Damiao. I feel this would work as Dani Alves can cover that whole flank pretty much by himself, and Brazil would have two targets in attack for Neymar, Elano etc to link up with.
I think Lucas or Pato would be better than Jadson in that role.
I think that with the imminent return of Paulo Henrique ‘Ganso’, Elano will be more likely shuffled across to his right-midfield role with Ganso taking a more central attacking position.
But beyond Elano (who surely won’t be more than a squad player after Copa America finishes), I’d say Lucas Moura is more likely to occupy a right-sided role albeit more advanced as was Jadson.
Pato surely must play though? he’s the most natural finisher Brazil have. Plus it would mean Pato and Ganso – Duck and Goose – in the line up.
I think Mano sees Pato more as a centre-forward.
That is the most likely change. Ganso is still recovering his full fitness to return to the no.10 shirt, so Jadson will be dropped for Elano to occupy the right side – and there’s also Kaká, who’s always trying to be 100% fit.
About the attack, Damião only played because both Nilmar and Pato were injured (it was his debut, a late call-up…like everything else in his career), and still managed to play well (a good choice for the Olympics). Pato is the main candidate for a first team place, although I prefer Nilmar.
At left-back, Marcelo was the first choice, but a knock on the ribs on training made him unavailable. He has the ability to overlap and combine with Neymar – faster and more positive than André Santos, who I particularly don’t like.
the first team should be:
Julio Cesar; Dani Alves, Lucio, Thiago Silva, Marcelo; Lucas, Ramires, Elano, PH Ganso, Neymar; Pato.
The problem down the left will be solved by Marcelo, when fit. How long before Neymar joins some European club? Will he turn out to be a Denilson or a Ronaldinho (first half of career) though?
Hmm, an interesting question, let John philosophize… OK, I’m betting that both Neymar and Ganso flop. At least to the point that Robinho could be considered a flop. As everybody knows, the Brazilian game is an imitation of football. Last time I checked Dejan Petkovic was playing like God at 37. If you’re thinking “Dejan who?” then you agree with me. Players are given too much protection. They either beat their man or get a free-kick. Neymar and Ganso are in for a rude awakening if they think they are going to be untouchable – particularly in the English Premier League. They’d stand a better chance of success in Spain for Barca where they could enjoy some preferencial treatment. I would never buy direct from Brazil. Let them go to Sevilla or Aston Villa first, then if they are good, I’d pay the premium to bring them to Chelsea.
I disagree. While it’s true that many Brazilian players are considered flops in Europe, Neymar and Ganso are different. Both are terrific players, and I’m not just saying that because of their performances with Brazil (in particular Neymar). Although the Campeonato Brasileiro is nowhere near as physical as the Premier League, it’s not as if players get preferential treatment like you said. Ganso has great vision and really reminds me of Zidane. Neymar is just a terrific player with great skill and even though he needs to get a bit “bigger” to play in the premier league, whenever he does, he’ll be ready. Neither one of them need the “preferential treatment” that you mentioned.
I’m not quite convinced with your argument Bluesfan21.
One: Zidane never played in England.
Two: There hasn’t been a Brazilian small forward that has gone to England and actually played well for more than 2-3 seasons. For the last 20 odd years, all Brazilian strikers that represented their country in a WC were all from Italy, Spain, Germany or maybe even France. None have come from English club teams.
The weather, the culture and the type of football that English teams play are just a few things that become a big factor when playing there. Not only the physical nature of the EPL.
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“Brazil need someone able to consistently overlap down the left.”
Do you think this problem would be solved if Marcelo was put at LB instead? His terrific overlaps are part of what have made Ronaldo so successful this season. Actually I don’t understand why he’s not the automatic selection, given his recent RM form – his defending has improved a lot as well (although admittedly he’s no Ashley Cole). I don’t think people can continue referring to him as the RM “weak link” as they have in the past.
Marcelo had to withdraw from this game due to injury.
Marcelo is great and would surely solve the problem. But it’s weird that no one ever talks about Adriano or Maxwell. They are trained to overlap at club level and should at least be given a chance (I know Maxwell is on the out but Adriano seems to be getting better). Andre Santos only starts in the national team because he played for Mano at Corinthians. I bet even if Marcelo was fit, Santos would start.
I have to disagree here. Marcelo is very good but not great. I don’t see him as a long-term solution, as he hasn’t made that much of an improvement since he was 17! if you want somthing close to Daniel on the left, Marcelo is the best bet, but Alves can defend as well. I’m very disappointed with Maxwell never really getting a chance with Brazil, & even more so with Filipe Kasmirski, who I think is an excellent yet under-rated leftback. Andre Santos is average with a little flair & a good understanding of his role.
Hahaha that was a good one, Marcelo hasn’t improved since he was 17? Have you seen him play? Every single year he has improved. He’s a freaking starter for Real Madrid while Maxwell is third choice at Barcelona, and Filipe Luis hasn’t become worse since suffering his knee injury. Compare Filipe Luis’ performance with Marcelo’s in the last Madrid-derby and it’s like day and night.
Marcelo and Neymar is any football fan’s dream.
Also I went to the Arsenal-Barca game at the Emirates shortly after reading your article on Alves, so I knew specifically what to look out for. It was very interesting to watch him at work in the Barca system. Thanks for your articles, they’re always very enlightening and they’ve allowed me to see this game I love in a completely new way.
Where will Ganso fit in to this side? I keep hearing that he’s one of the brightest talents in Brazil. Is it a possibility that they drop Elano and play more of a 4-2-3-1?
When watching this game I thought the link up play around the edge of the box was sometimes lacking, particularly when Neymar was coming inside and there weren’t enough options for him. Could someone like Kaka still have a role to play as a link between the strikers and the deep lying midfielders. With the the abundance of young attacking midfielders I’m not sure he’ll get a look in but I though this game would have suited him. He’d only be 32 in 2014 WC.
My thoughts exactly. I don’t think Kaka’ should be forgotten. He may not have the pace of a few years back but is still a classy operator in the attacking midfield role. If he can show some fitness and form, be it with Madrid or at a new club, then a recall to the national team wont be far away. Brazil will definitely need someone of his ability and experience leading up to the world cup.
Be sure that, when Ganso is completely fit to come back to the squad, he will be at the starting eleven.
I believe for sure that Mano Menezes will make his team’s game evolve around him, as he is the only true number ten we Brazilians have at the time.
More than that, while Neymar is constantly praised around the world now (with all merits), we back here in Brazil think Ganso is better than him (not counting the fact they play very different roles for Santos).
It was unfortunate for us not to watch him play for 6 months due to his knee injury.
Talking about Kaká, it’s better for us to wait a little bit, until he’s completely fit and get more games on Real Madrid. He’s a great talent, but I don’t think it’s time for him to get back to the squad.
*cough cough Ronaldinho cough*
sorry, excuse me!
Why do people continue to talk about Ronaldinho? He is not a traditional playmaker, nor would he be able to play centrally. He can only start wide and cut in like Neymar/Robinho, nothing else. Plus he is extremely suspect defensively, something I’m sure Mano cannot tolerate (he is not that far from the Dunga mentality). It’s just sad that his heart seems to no longer be in it.
Exactly. Mano says he wants his wide-forwards to press the opposing full-back high up the pitch and during his final two seasons with Barça and at Milan, Ronaldinho had simply given up on doing this aspect.
Neymar is unacustomed to such duties without the ball whilst playing in the Brazilian league, but he has the energy and, if the Scotland game was anything to go by, also the application to perform this way.
What has Ronaldinho showed during the last four seasons that make him even close to Kaká, Elano, Diego, Ganso, Jadson among others. Yes, Ronaldinho is super creative, but he can’t operate without space and his off the ball movement is severly lacking these days.
Brilliant analysis by ZM as usual. How will you play Ganso and Lucas (from Sao Paulo together)? Lucas seems to be the new breed number 10s who are more of secondary strikers/playmakers (Sneijder, Ozil) like Kaka than a classic number 10 who I think Ganso is even though he has scored double digit goals in the past. Isn’t it possible that the same type of conversion that was done with Luka Modric could be done to Ganso i.e. turned to a central midfielder who will dictate play for the team. If I remember clearly from the game against the United States, Ganso played deeper than the usual Kaka “attacking” position and more closer to Ramires in Menezes 4-2-3-1. If you remember Pato’s goal against the United States. It was a pass from Ganso in central midfield to Ramires who slid a nice pass to Pato to finish. The same was done to Paul Scholes who spent a considerable amount of his career early on further up the pitch, but with the addition of Cristiano, Nani, Valencia, Rooney and co, he was pushed deeper into central midfield to dictate play from there. Isn’t it possible to play Ganso ahead of Ramires in a 2 man central midfield that will allow the two players to push up to support attacking play just like Schweinsteiger and Khedira did for Germany while Lucas (from Sao Paulo) occupies the Kaka role if Kaka doesn’t return. Lucas can also play the link up role too. If you watch the penalty earned by Neymar, Lucas (from Sao Paulo) was the player who made the pass.
1)Ganso and Lucas could play together, but that’s unlikely to happen. Lucas could be the right-midfielder while Ganso would play centrally with Neymar on his left. I’m sure it would work, but it probably won’t happen with Robinho on the team. He was given the captain armband on Mano’s first games, so I can’t see Lucas benching him, unfortunately.
2)having Ganso and Ramires as the 2 CMs/DMs behind Lucas wouldn’t work simply because it wouldn’t be good for neither of them. Ramires wouldn’t be able to run foward as much as he does because he wouldn’t have anyone to cover him, and Ganso wouldn’t stay close enough to the goal. Besides, neither of them is that good defensively.
Precisely my thoughts! Couldn’t agree with you more!
If Lucio remains in the starting 11, at least for the near future (like Copa America), I can’t see Mano stripping Lucio of the armband. Anyone with half a brain knows that Robinho is not captain material. Then again, Mano has shown that he does in fact only have half a brain with some of his terrible call-ups and substitutions.
As good as Robinho was under Dunga, Mano now finds himself in a similar position as his predecessors. Sometimes you have to bench the big name to move on. Honestly, at this point, I would consider Robinho the 4th forward, after Neymar, Pato, and Nilmar. And there’s still Hulk and now Leandro Damiao in the picture. With respect to Robinho’s role, a guy like Nilmar can fill it much better. Alas, I doubt Mano will really change anything and will keep the dead weight around to the team’s general detriment.
I’m hesitant in having Lucas and Ganso play at the same time. It’s something that would probably take some time to develop. At least Ganso has shown that he can be a deep-lying playmaker, particularly for Santos. We should be able to get a glimpse of how he plays with Elano once he returns 100% to Santos. But I just think that at this point, having Lucas and Ganso in the midfield, along with Pato and Neymar/Robinho gives us Parreira’s doomed “Magic Quartet,” and well, we don’t want that. The only way I could see this working was if he put in another strong defensive midfielder, perhaps Sandro in Ramires’ place.
“Then again, Mano has shown that he does in fact only have half a brain with some of his terrible call-ups and substitutions.”
wow. I thought he had done rather decently so far, but to each their own.
ZM, I love your writeups in general, they’re fantastic, and I liked this one too. I was thinking about you when reading something else, though, and thought I’d link you to it. In the interest of staying ahead of the pack and keeping your bleeding-edge rep, I’d suggest checking out this analysis ( http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/28/breaking-down-the-nuggets-offense/#preview ), as photo/video analysis has resulted in some of what I would consider your strongest posts (for example, the one about Vermaelen getting caught too far up the field).
Ganso has all but been baptised by Menezes himself and is a dead cert for the central ‘10′ position regardless of formation. That is where he will play. In the medium-to-long term (after Copa America finishes Mano can start dropping the veterans again) Lucas Moura will have to contend for the other wide-attacking position with the likes of other youngsters such as Oscar (S.C. Internacional)and possibly Giuliano (Dnipro – it’ll be interesting to see how he develops under Juande Ramos since Giuliano is a very ‘Spanish-type’ player, very associative) depending on their progress. It does seem that Lucas is best qualified at the moment.
I agree, at this moment I see Lucas ahead of pretty much every brazilian offensive midfielder bar Ganso, Hernanes and Coutinho. Giuliano has great goal-scoring skills and is very good technically, but Lucas is even better than him technically, has an amazing speed and better vision. If he takes the right decisions – unlike Giuliano -, Lucas will become a huge player.
excellent analysis as usual, for a not so excellent game, especially on Mano Menezes part. Scotland fell into the trap/played as expected, but Brazil were shown way too much respect (Adam was in awe, Brown got too aggresive. etc).
I’m surprised at how quickly Mano shelved away the 4-1-3-2 experiment he began against France (ruined by Hernanes’ sending off). the system was employed against a far superior opposition than Scotland (with all due respect), and would have been useful if tested against a team that would sit & absorb rather than go tete-a-tete. it featured 3 players known for their playmaking (Renato Augusto, Elias & Hernanes) behind a 9, with Robinho slightly off, & only Lucas holding. i’m quite disappointed with Mano for not going with that.
instead, we were introduced to a slightly odd shape, which I doubt will be repeated due to its imbalance (unless the right personnel are used). on the left, Ramires linking Andre Santos & Neymar seemed promising. I still question whether Brazil has any really good leftbacks out there, but Andre did an OK job, nothing spectacular. the freedom Ramires got allowed him to show his flexibility, decent range of passing & lung power. on the other side…total confusion. Mano said he believes Elano to be a right-sided midfielder. against Scotland he looked like a carrilero trying too hard, with Dani as a fullback with no space & Jadson seriously mis-used on the right (he’s too good not to be given a chance as a 10, even though the returning Ganso is superior).
also, one thing Mano promised the Brazilian crowd upon taking over is the return of good football. anyone entertained? I think he now realises its harder than he thought, because although the level of passing, movement & combination play is high, Brazil really do lack 2 types of players: a) a deep organiser, & b) a playmaker. Ganso is the solution to “b”, when moving to the centre, Jadson can be a solution to “b”, & like someone mentioned earlier, Kaka should still be in contention (even though I’ve been amused to hear Brazilian fans questioning if he’s Italian or Portuguese when he plays below par). what Brazil lack is an organisor, and this goes back since the 80’s-90’s after Toninho Cerezo, Falcao, Socrates & co retired. that’s when the Dunga’s took over, & Brazil have lacked intelligent, ball-playing, organizing midfielders. boy, did they miss out on Deco & Marcos Senna!!
“Lack of a deep organiser”, couldn’t agree with you more, Mati.
And pairing Lucas with Ramires in the centre, for all their dynamism, still does not solve the problem. They turn the team too frenetic, and although Ramires can surge forward when inferior opponents such as Scotland concede him space, how will he fair against midfields who close him down quicker.
I really prefer him to be slightly wider, where he can at least launch diagonal runs without interfering in the organisation of the team.
Of course, I’m hoping Hernanes will be paired by Lucas or Sandro in the centre.
Ramires for a carrilero role, when convenient.
T. Motta of Inter is actually a decent regista, but he now plays for Italy.
But it’s true Brazil are lacking both in the trequartista (excluding Ganso) and regista (a.k.a. deep-lying playmaker) department.
The likes of Socrates and Falcao were awe-full defensively.
And that’s the big difference as in Europe the playmakers that survived the “purge” had to learn to also defend to some extent.
I don’t remember what brazilian coach said that 4-3-3 is impossible in Brazil and the attackers and playmakers don’t defend.
Celso Roth was the coach who said that.
lacking a trequartista? Diego, Alex, Kaka, Elano, Ronaldinho, Neymar can do it…thats plenty more options than most other countries.
+ coutinho and jadson!
I see Jadson, Ganso, D. Costa, Coutinho as trequartistas (or able to operate as that), the above rest are attacking midfielders, inside forwards, 9 and 1/2s with some degree of passing and vision but not enough.
They’re in the Lampard and Gerrard mould, with Neymar as a C. Ronaldo type.
But none are (quite) proven at big international level (neither club nor country ), nor are as influential as Sneijder, Ozil, Seedorf.
The Shakhtar Donetsk boys seem the most developed to me.
Kaka, a 9 1/2, was always dependent on Pirlo and Seedorf at Milan, and Mourinho (when in the RM starting XI) always plays him with both Ozil and X. Alonso.
Ronaldinho couldn’t operate well behind strikers. He’s a wide forward/inside forward but he’s not a general.
Exactly, Roberticus. Hernanes pairing Lucas or Sandro – preferably Sandro, because he’s better defensively than Lucas – would be just perfect. Hernanes played in that position for years in São Paulo, I’m sure he could do it again for us. That would solve the “lack of a deep organizer” problem.
like you Mario, I see Hernanes playing as an 8 next to Sandro (maturing very well at Tottenham). I think he’s being mis-used at Lazio as a 10, because his rare quality of being comfortable with both feet will be of great use in the middle of the park. being ambidextrous allows him to take decisions & execute them quicker where it matters. his passing is good, he’s comfortable on the ball, & I can see him improve defensively.
I know you’ve said this before and I know you’ve seen considerably more of Hernanes than me, but don’t you think that his game requires a lot of freedom and that – while tactically aware – he’s at times a liability because of his very nature? You could argue that Lucas-Sandro would be going too far in the opposite direction but I would like to see it tried at least.
I think the most interesting question for the Brazil line-up may revolve around Robinho, personally. You’ve got Ganso and Neymar who are musts in the team, assuming that Ganso and Neymar have no transfer/club difficulties during that time, and their role in the team is unlikely to change. Lucas, for me, is hugely likely to have broken into the team by this time next year, if not some time this summer. His tactical flexibility, intelligence and raw ability combined make him hugely useful. Where exactly he’ll play is up for debate because of his versatility but we can be fairly certain it will be a right-sided role, probably in the one Jadson plays even if it will inhibit how much of the ball he gets.
Where does that leave Robinho? Looks like a nominal striker to me, but you have to wonder if that is limiting for him. Otherwise a move to some variation of a 4222 may be on the cards, but over the past few years in International football this formation has resulted in many-a-calamity.
Or I’m just getting ahead of myself and very simply Lucas will be eased in with the team v USA being picked regularly, with the sole substitution of Sandro for one of Ramires/Lucas. And possibly Marcelo.
My 2 cents on Brazil’s ideal front 6: 1 Holder (Lucas or Sandro), 1 box to box player (Ramires), 1 playmaker (Ganso or Kaka, as Lucas is more of a dribbler than a passer) and a fluid front 3 of Neymar, Nilmar (who is so good off ball and great in combination play) and Pato. I think that front line would clear the space needed for Dani Alves, especially considering that Kaka tends to drift left.
On an unrelated subject, how high will Brazil’s offside line be in the Copa? I for one would love to see Thiago Silva and David Luiz play together, and play an aggressive line.
Why didn’t Man City simply buy the Brazilian team? It would have solved many problems and they could have hired a Portugese-speaking manager. I’m sure I could think of someone suitable.
How is it possible MAno be so stupid, how can they continue to be a handful of entrepreneurs to make the call from Brazil?
How can one of the best players to perform in Europe, as the Hulk, not part of Brazil?
Holder in this selection.
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Perhaps there is one thing of note about Scotland tactics, especially given comments about Alves not being as effective as usual. Scotland used Whittaker, normally a right back, wide on the left of midfield. His brief seemed to be to mark Alves forward runs.
This is true.
Brown – normally a central midfielder, but who has played as a tucked in right midfielder for Celtic in recent weeks – switched over to the left when Whittaker came off.
Playing Brown and Whittaker out wide was part of the reason Scotland struggled to get up the park – neither are that quick nor have that much composure on the ball. Brown offers driving runs, but mainly from the centre of the park. In this sort of system, he doesn’t provide a great outball.
In the absence of Darren Fletcher, I would have liked to have seen Brown in the middle to provide a bit more bite and one of Dorrans or Morrison out wide.
Brazil need someone able to consistently overlap down the left. Andre Santos did reasonably well, but there still wasn’t quite the understanding down that wing – perhaps that will come with time.
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Very Harsh on Andre Santos as he made several bombing runs forward and to my count freed himself up 3 times, with scott brown unable to match his energy and obviously played a key part in freeing up neymar for the goal, as the right back had to close down santos and left netmar free to drift in and score
great article as usual. the formation baffled me. it wasn’t 4-4-2 as ITV said it was, as Neymar was drifting too wide. it wasn’t 4-2-3-1 either as no-one was playing as the Treq.
so i agree approx 4/3/3 seems fair. totally agree on elano and jadsons positions. was struggling to see where they were meant to be. teleg match stats “average positions” showed them on top of each other ! . the new Lucas was impressive. craig burley was a woeful pundit and gave him absolutely no credit. gotta disagree about Leandro, i thought he was a donkey. shades of Serginho !. to be fair Tim Vickery always says Serginho wasn’t as shocking as people think he was- a good finisher apparently esp in air, perhaps bit like D Bent, no good at getting involved in intricate build up play etc.
Very interesting article as always. In my opinion Brazil’s position as their attacking moves developed (shown in your third diagram) was more of a 2-4-3-1, rather than the one you show in the diagram.
From the stands, I saw Andre Santos and Dani Alves pushed up alongside Ramires and Lucas, Lucio and Thiago Silva at the back, Neymar, Elano, and Jadson as the ‘3′ (with Elano playing distinctly between the lines), and Leandro Damiao furthest forward. This tended to be when the ball was with either the centre-backs, Ramires or Lucas, or the wingbacks before they pushed forward.
Obviously as the ball moved higher up the pitch the formation became a lot more fluid as players moved around, but I felt that once Brazil had control of the ball, especially when playing with the centre-backs high up (even on the half-way line), that this was their formation. Thoughts?
I’d disagree on the Ramires point, for me he was much further forward than Lucas when movs developed, got himself into the box plenty of times
Good afternoon Zonal Marking,
I have a request about this article linked to the first goal of Neymar. He used the space between the full back (dragged out of position by Andre Santos) and the centre-back (worried about Leandro Damiano). I read your brilliant article about Daniel Alves’classic move/run and I think Evra has a special move with Manchester United even if he doesn’t use it as much as Alves! Usual leftbacks only overlap on the left of the crosser. Evra makes diagonal runs between the crosser (Nani for Instance) and the centre-back.
For instance, the second goal of Manchester United here => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVKgY9vLkH8
Could you make an animation about this run…if you consider it is useful obviously! Thank you by advance.
Alex from France
That’s an interesting point. Will look out for that
Thank you, it would be great!
For the little story, Evra went to France in 85 in Ulis (born in 81) and played with Henry at that age. Evra played forward until, one day, in Nice, in 2000(!), his team (OGC Nice) didn’t have enough left back and he played as left back. He finally reached the award of best left back of the season (French Division 2). Evra played in First Division the year following with Nice and then played for Monaco with Deschamps from 2002 with very good results (nearly champions in France and Europe in 2004, I am a fan of Monaco even if I don’t like how it is organised now). United got him in January 2006.
ZM,
Great analysis, as usual….I was wondering, though, if you would ever consider analyzing a USA game? Maybe not on here, but possibly for ESPN or something (more American readers)….it would be interesting to get an outside,unbiased, and honest opinion on the growth and ability seen in the USMNT. There aren’t a lot of quality football writers here in the states, so it would be nice to read something intelligent about our players, tactics, and team. Cheers!
He did all their games during the world cup I think, as well as giving each team a preview before it.
I think in future games we’ll see a shape not unlike Dunga’s, the only difference will be the type and quality of the two holders. If Elano is to play on the right, he will tuck in centrally to make room for Alves, and we will have the same slanted diamond behind a central and left sided forward. But the 2 of Hernanes, Lucas or Sandro will totally change the character of the side. Ramires will probably return to the right as an alternate to Elano.
There may be times Mano wants two wingers, but that will probably be the only time we see Neymar and Robinho on the field together.
With Ganso returning, Menezes is likely to return to the 4-2-3-1. Pato and Neymar are certain choices, but the question is who will have the last spot on the offensive 3. Elano, Robinho and Nilmar are contending, and the latter would easily be my choice. Hopefully, this games encourages Menezes to drop Robinho for good, but I don’t think he is brave enough.