Man Utd 2-0 Arsenal: United counter excellently

The starting line-ups
Both sides had their chances, but Manchester United were more clinical.
Sir Alex Ferguson had an injury crisis in midfield, so used Rafael and Fabio da Silva on either flank, with John O’Shea alongside Darron Gibson in midfield.
Arsene Wenger was without Cesc Fabregas, so Denilson came into the side and Abou Diaby played further forward. Kieran Gibbs started at left-back, andAndrei Arshavin replaced Tomas Rosicky.
The pattern of the first half was fairly simple – Arsenal dominated possession and territory, whilst Manchester United looked to play on the break.
Twins on the wing
In that respect, despite Manchester United’s highly unusual team selection, this was a battle we’ve seen many times before. United have overcome Arsenal in each of the previous two campaigns by playing almost exclusively on the counter-attack – think of Cristiano Ronaldo’s goal on the break at the Emirates in the 2008/09 Champions League final, or Wayne Rooney’s similarly devastating goal in the Premier League last year.
Rooney tended to take more of a back seat role in United’s breaks here, however. He dropped deep into midfield when Manchester United were without the ball, generally picking up Denilson so United weren’t outnumbered in the centre of midfield. When United won the ball, the two twins would scamper down the flanks and form a front three with Javier Hernandez, and United sometimes looked like a 4-2-1-3. This is rather like how Benfica play when Jorge Jesus fields Carlos Martins as an additional holding player, and when Javier Saviola drops off into deep positions – see the game against Schalke. Interestingly, one of the wide runners in that game was also a converted full-back, Fabio Coentrao.
The use of full-backs in wide positions also benefited Manchester United defensively. Not simply because their natural defensive qualities provided a shield ahead of their back four, but because they had the energy and positional awareness to track back and cover the wide zones. This afforded United’s full-backs license to stick to their respective men when they came inside – Patrice Evra stuck tightly to Samir Nasri and got a couple of hard tackles in, whilst Wes Brown did a similar job on Andrei Arshavin.
Arsenal strategy
Arsenal played very nicely in the first half. Their movement was excellent, their passing crisp, but they suffered their old problem of not being able to create genuine goalscoring chances. Robin van Persie played right-of-centre and pulled Nemanja Vidic out of the defence – the Serb is superb when in the penalty box, but when dragged up the pitch he becomes vulnerable to pace and players going past him. Diaby provided that running, but was a little too clumsy and ponderous on the ball.
Another possible area of creativity came down Arsenal’s left. Gibbs frequently got time on the ball but his crossing was poor. Arsenal’s best chances came from a corner kick that van Persie headed wide, and from a Nasri shot that nearly caught Edwin van der Sar by surprise. Their ‘prettier’ moves came to nothing.
Second half

The line-ups for the start of the second half
Ferguson made a change for the second half, giving Antonio Valencia his comeback, with the goalscorer Fabio departing. This meant Rooney on the left, Rafael into the centre and United going 4-1-4-1, with John O’Shea ahead of the back four. Considering how well they’d played in the first half, it was a surprise to see Ferguson change his shape, but if anything he was simply playing a more extreme version of the initial strategy.
United immediately sat deeper. Their central midfielders were sometimes in amongst Arsenal’s midfielders in the first half, but here they were firmly behind play. O’Shea occupied the space between the lines and denied Arsenal time on the ball in that area.
The home side extended their advantage with another direct attack. Van der Sar passed to Valencia, who ran 50 yards with the ball, and a couple of seconds later Rooney headed home. It was not a ‘classic’ counter-attack, not one dependent on pace – but United took advantage of Arsenal being slow to get back, and Valencia’s run was more direct than anything Arsenal offered all game – he had the time on the ball Arsenal’s players weren’t afforded.
Changes
Wenger’s changes were attack-minded. The deepest midfielder, Denilson, was replaced by a striker, in Marouane Chamakh. Wenger hasn’t been afraid to gamble this way in recent weeks – against Everton and against Barcelona he made a similar change and turned the game around on both occasions. It allowed van Persie to play in a permanently deeper role where he threatened straight away, winning a free-kick, but after that O’Shea played closer to him (almost a third centre-back at times) and Arsenal’s best chances came when they crossed the ball – Chamakh and substitute Tomas Rosicky should have scored from right-wing crosses.
Arsenal looked better when Denilson and Diaby were both withdrawn. There’s a time and a place for Denilson’s solid, reliable passing, but it’s when Arsenal are ahead and want to slow the game down, keeping possession. He wasn’t needed in the second half. Diaby continued to be cumbersome with the ball, and the return of Aaron Ramsey saw a Ramsey-Wilshere partnership in midfield – which might be something we see more frequently in years to come. Those two offered direct forward passing from midfield, and Arsenal had several half-chances (and better) – the finishing simply wasn’t there. Chamakh was introduced to get on the end of moves, but with one goal since November (and that was against Leyton Orient) he hardly provides the potency the rest of the team lacked.
Johan Djourou’s late injury meant Arsenal played the final ten minutes with ten men, which effectively ended the game – a shame, as it was an interesting contest throughout.
Conclusion
On first glance United’s starting line-up was bizarre – seven defenders – but Ferguson managed to assemble them into a cohesive side with a clear gameplan – sit relatively deep, and use the pace of Hernandez and the da Silva twins on the break. It worked: Arsenal were always going to dominate possession, but United produced chances and could have had more than two goals, although the same could be said of Arsenal’s none.
The positioning of the twins was interesting. Brazilian full-backs are stereotypically attacking and therefore can often convert to playing as wingers with little problem, but it’s not always as simple as that. When Dani Alves has played as a winger, for example, he’s looked poor because his game is about making unspotted off the ball runs from deep.
However, Rafael and Fabio both adapted very well. They showed the expected energy and pace, but also good decision-making in the final third and a habit of getting into goalscoring positions. As Tom Williams has mentioned, there might well be a case for fielding pacey (young?) full-backs on the flanks in certain situations – it certainly worked for United here.
Man Utd 2-0 Arsenal: United counter excellently




Good analysis. I also thought Sagna made some excellent crosses, but the midfield players didn’t take advantage by making runs into the box. Maybe Bendtner should have played instead of Chamakh, as he has been far sharper. Also Nasri playing in front of the defence looking to pass was a poor idea. His best game is running into the box but Arsenal seems intent on turning him into Fabregas.
I hope Djourou comes back soon, although it looks bad. The thought of a CB partnership of Koscielny and Squillaci is not encouraging for Arsenal supporters.
JD’s out for the season, dislocated shoulder.
That’s not good for our title challenge.
Yes, good point about Sagna. His crossing has improved a lot this season.
Bendtner was at home sick, according to his twitter feed.
Effective man-marking from United gave them the win.
Arsenal couldn’t find spaces, and Sagna was the only player who provided width in a relatively narrow formation. They really need a world-class striker. Van Persie is sharp, but really slow, a good defender can easilt force him out of the game effectively.
Rooney operated excellent in the deep position today. He was the only creative player in the pitch and exploited Arsenal’s horrible defence numerous times.
Wenger has to change many things…
van Persie’s goalscoring record has been absolutely sublime since coming back from injury. The problem is that he’s mostly injured/coming back from injury, and Bendtner/Chamakh aren’t nearly as good.
Rooney the only creative player on the pitch? A tad harsh…
I thought it was interesting how Gibson often pushed up level with Rooney when not in possession to close down Wilshere and Denilson, letting O’Shea sit deep with Diaby.
Letting players run from deep can often cause a team to lose their defensive structure, dragging players out of position to make tackles. Arsenal, and Wilshere in particular, though he still had a good game, were unable to do this today due not so much due to pressing but rather simply because Man Utd were willing to match Arsenal’s midfield three higher up the pitch.
This was more than compensated for by the fact that Evra and Brown played very defensive games and the extraordinary energy of Fabio and Rafael. Man Utd could still get 7+ men behind the ball and still get forward to counter attack quickly thanks to their tireless running.
Arsenal for a team that is so technically blessed seem strategically limited at times. When is Wenger going to break out of repeating the same patter in every Man Utd vs Arsenal game? He won’t start winning them till he does.
The twins continue to impress me, not because of any great talent on the ball but simply through their enthusiasm and boundless energy. They never stop running and if they get beaten they’ll run back and get goal side of their man. If United were ever to play with wing backs they’d be ideal (although a certain French left back might have something to say on the matter).
As for Arsenal, how many seasons will they get to this point and bottle it, going out of every competition in the space of about two weeks? Mentally they’re still not strong enough. Where are their leaders? United have Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Rooney, Chelsea have Terry, Lampard, Essien.
I don’t care how many leaders you have, when your first choice centre back misses almost the entire season, your first choice striker and midfielder both miss several months, and you go through 3 goalkeepers, it’s amazing that they even made it this far. sure, Arsenal lost the Carling Cup final, but they got further in that competition than Man Utd and Chelsea, for all of their “leaders”. and even in the EPL right now, Arsenal are 3 points back with a game in hand. basically, if they can avoid losing the two tough games they have remaining (away to Spurs, home to Man Utd), they are in very good shape to win the title. certainly in better shape than Chelsea……………
just look at the defensive problems Man Utd have had in recent weeks without Ferdinand. now imagine he was injured since October. how many more points would you have dropped to the likes of Liverpool and Wolves? the partnership of Evans + Smalling even conceded 4 goals to West Ham… I’ve seen Squillaci play 20 games and I can tell you, it’s really hard to find a top 4 centre back who is worse than him, but I think Man Utd just about managed that with Evans. but apparently, in one case, it’s a lack of leadership while in the other case, it’s something else?
Just a naive question from a curious German:
Why are there two cup competitions in English football per season? (Carling and FA, right?). Ah, just checked in on wikipedia, officially Carling cup is called League cup.
Well, so many teams have injury and tiredness problems. Why don’t the big teams just skip that ‘Carling Cup’ right from the beginning? CL, FA-cup, and 38 (!) premier matches a season sound like a heavy load already. Which/how many players did Arsenal lose in the CarlingCup final, so they were not fit against Barcelona?
Also, a cup named like (sponsored by) a cold beverage sounds pretty silly to me
Your reasoning is sound – so you see the so-called ‘bigger’ teams usually use the League Cup as a secondary competition in which they get to give their squad and youth players a run-out – i.e. most of the first team players are rested for League Cup matches.
Evans more woeful than Squillaci? Doubt it.
Evans is indeed terrible but Squillaci looks like a fan that has been drafted in five minutes before the start of the match. His positioning is probably the worst I’ve seen from any defender in the top 6.
I don’t think you can blame it on injuries, it happens every season. Anyway, United have missed Ferdinand for large chunks of the season (and when he comes back he’s not his old self), Valencia’s been out until now, Giggs and Scholes can’t play all the time, Anderson’s had a couple of long-term injuries, Carrick and Fletcher and currently out, Brown’s been out for a lot of it, O’Shea’s has too, Park’s injured at the moment, as is Nani…
So basically my laboured point is that it’s the same for everyone. Plus you talk about Vermaelen like he’d solve everything. He’s good but he’s got his faults and his in first season these were masked by his goalscoring contribution.
“[Arsenal] got further in [the League Cup] than Man Utd and Chelsea, for all of their “leaders”.”
In fairness, Arsenal were the only one to play a full team in that competition. The fact that they did that (in an obvious attempt to put an end to their winless streak) and still lost is probably a little embarassing for Wenger.
You know, in the 2009/10 season, we had three of our back four missing for three months. And we still missed winning the League by 1 point.
I’m happy as long as Arsenal continue to blame injuries though. Please continue.
I disagree slightly with you in regard to your comments about Vidic. I agree that if he is dragged deep, he is suceptible to pace, however I don’t think he followed RVP too high up the pitch. If anyone was guilty, it was Smalling at times, however I thought Smalling had an excellent game today.
Something that hasn’t really got a mention, Wayne Rooney, I thought he was very good today. He was dropping off as he does very well, and was causing alot of problems. His touch was good, control was good, and he was playing some nice passes, the ball for Chicharito for th first goal was lovely, and I generally thought it was a performance like he was turning in last year. Hopefully he can continue this for both club and country.
As for Arsenal, it’s going to be another year without a trophy, can’t see them winning the league. Same old problems as ZM eludes to, all the pretty football, but all played in front of United, not a great deal of chances created. Shame about JD getting injured, I read he’s out for the season, and it’s a shame as he’s vastly improved this season, however today, I actually thought he was at fault for the two goals. For the first, he platyed Hernandez on, it was a simple step out and Rooney couldn’t have played the ball, and for the second, yes he made a good tackle, but once again, if he’d stepped out, the goal wouldn’t have come, of course the clueless ITV team didn’t even acknowledge this.
I don’t think Vidic came out of defence *too much*, just the right amount for dealing with van Persie really, but it still created space.
I agree with you about Smalling. Excellent prospect but too impetuous when coming up the pitch at the moment.
I’ve noticed this more and more recently, particularly Abidal against Arsenal the other week. If you’ve got a good DM and a good centre half… teams are looking for a 2nd ball playing centre half to drive up the middle and drag people out of position.
As an Arsenal fan, I really think Wenger’s time might be up. That United team was not very good, and Arsenal has enough talent to beat them. But for a number of reasons that I don’t think will change, he is incapable of delivering. It really has become groundhog day for the team.
Fergie did very well today, trying something radical and it came off for him. I do fear for Man U for the rest of the season though, they may go on and win the FA Cup now, they may get far in the Champions League, but I don’t think they are gonna win the League. This is the best outcome for Arsenal cos they can focus on winning the League now. Remember, as it stands, if Arsenal win all their remaining League games then they’ll win the League. I know that isn’t likely (especially as one of those games is against Man U), but I do think Man U will drop points from here as well. I’d be very surprised (and impressed) if Man U win the League this season, but we shall see – it is now very much “squeaky bum time”…..
Just a point about the Da Silva twins.
I think that Dani Alves might well have been comfortable today in this wide-midfield role for Man United. Let’s bear in mind that his more advanced role for Barcelona vs Madrid last season came in a team which was playing much higher up the pitch anyway – so Alves was always going to be denied a lot of space to accelerate or time to think.
United, by contrast, today were playing very deep – would the twins be as effective if the entire United block were playing their more customary game and stepped up a good few metres?
I still think that Alves, the Da Silva twins and indeed Bale can perform as wide-midfielders, but as traditional wingers – not so sure.
Bale is technically very good, although what we’ve mostly seen from him is his massive burst of acceleration he is actually quite skillful, and I for one definitely think he can play a more natural “winger” (like Nani, say) type role…..
Agreed, he is technically good – though aren’t most Brazilian-style full-backs these days? Marcelo, Ashley Cole for instance.
I guess we’ll never know how he might have turned out had he been schooled to play as an outside-forward; wasn’t he mostly a wing-back at Southampton? Either that (which is not so different from playing as wide-mid in a 4-4-2) or as a full-back.
In either case, you’d be right to say that his game takes on another dimension when he is given space to accelerate.
Marcelo certainly is, Ashley Cole certainly isn’t, Maicon is reasonably technically gifted (the other word we can use to describe what we’re talking about is FLAIR). Mourinho hardly uses Marcelo as a left-back anymore cos his defensive capabilities are so poor (his positioning is very poor, and his concentration is virtually non-existent – the amount of times I’ve seen him get caught out defensively when at left-back for Real Madrid is unreal…..). You make a fair point though, Roberticus.
Also, Roberticus, you made a lovely reply/comment to my post a while ago about my proposed England team/formation (I couldn’t reply on that forum it would seem), and I just want to say thank you very much mate, cheers…..
Marcello has played nearly all games for Real Madrid this season, most of them at left back. His defensive work have impressed me compared with other seasons. The way Real Madrid plays soots him, with 2 defensive midfielders and 3 other defender staying back, which alows him to run forward at every oportunity.
I have watched nearly all Real Madrid matches this season. I don’t like Marcelo’s play that very much.
Pros: He is energetic, fast, physically robust, lots of stamina, above average at dribbling when going for attack, and always with good ‘morale’ and a working-mentality.
Cons: He does not really have any vision. He overlooks/ignores team mates in better positioning when attacking. As left back, he is attacking straight into the mid of the pitch, mostly, vacating his side. His team mates never really know what he is up to when he is doing his dribble, so they kind of have to wait and see what happens, which in effect does not really accelerate the game.
I agree, I think Ashley Cole’s attacking game is talked about too much, I don’t rate it myself. Sure he can pass sideways and has decent movement and a lot of pace, but he can’t take a player on and he can’t cross.
By the way, technical ability and flair? Don’t think you can say they’re the same.
Surely the ‘attacking game’ of a full-back is merely to make the forward run as often as possible without getting caught out of position too much. Cole is far superior to Alves or Maicon in that respect as he doesn’t need anyone specifically designated to cover him when he moves forward. Taking on players? He’s a full-back. He makes space for the forwards and defends the left side of the defense, that’s enough for one day, I think.
Great stuff from Ferguson
Can’t believe we could’ve won the game with starting Gibson, O’shea, and the twins in the midfield.
And how brilliant Chicarito was! He contributed a lot to both goals. A great talent, surely.
His movement is brilliant, isn’t it? That combined with his pace (especially over 5 yards) makes him so difficult to stop. Also so good with his head (despite one that went wrong today) – his action and force in the header created the first goal. So many players would have just dived and ‘diverted’ the ball, but he really sent it travelling and forced Almunia into pushing it out
He’s the new Michael Owen.
And we all know who he’s got at Man u to learn from………the old Michael Owen….
That is certainly his strongest point. His movement is so damn brilliant. Especially for someone of his experience and age!
He was clocked as the fastest player at this past World Cup, 32.15 km/hr.
I also admire Hernandez’s movement and blogged about it here with screen shots to demonstrate what he does so well:
http://writtenoffside.blogspot.com/2011/02/wigan-vs-united-post-match-post-mortem.html
Also his goal vs Liverpool was excellent and again showed great movement to create space.
ZM, you forgot to mention one extremely key aspect of how United defended the Arsenal attacks. You see, when RVP dropped deep he was followed by Smalling. Naturally, the space a false 9 creates in behind him would be exploited due to one centre back being dragged out of space. However, this space was covered normally by Big Wes coming across (naturally a centre back anyway) and then Rafael coming across to play in his natural right back position. As a Manchester United fan, I had doubts about the line-up but within around 10 minutes of the game, with Arsenal controlling possession and sitting deep, I felt stupid for doubting Sir Alex Ferguson, who is underrated in his defensive tactics. This is probably why Gibbs got so far forward, as Rafael sitting deep often invited him forward.
Arsenal for all their possesion could not break down United due to ironically enough, “zonal marking”. Maybeyou should change the websites logo to an image Sir Alex Ferguson shaking hands with a distraught Arsene Wenger, as it has been this tactic that has beaten Arsenal time and time again.
It was the same old narrow formation, that forced Arsenal wide and any balls into the box were easily dealt with by the back 4, all aerial beast (including Evra, who’s leap is underrated for somebody so short)
Also, John O’Shea’s role was very unappreciated by the general media outlets. It was not like the archetypal destoryer in any ways, due to the fact that Rooney and Gibson pressed Arsenal’s deep-lying midfielders high up the pitch and Rafael acting the auxilliary right back, Sheasy played the closest thing to the old Libero role (without the passing ability obviously LOL), he stuck tight to whichever one out of Nasri and Arshavin came infield thusly rendering them rather impotent, often making many tackles or interceptions. What made it all the more amazing is that he was doing this in the first half as part of a midfield 2. It relaxed me greatly as a United fan as I was scared that the infield driftings of Nasri and Arshavin would have dragged Evra/Brown all over the park in the process destroying our narrow defence. John is never one to get media attention, and I’m not expecting him to headline tomorrow’s press, but his role was vital nonetheless and proved exactly why he is valued at Manchester United.
Anyways thats my 2 cents. RE : The libero role, I was born in 1994. I have never seen the libero role in action for a full 90 minutes, mainly heard about it when sneaking into my local pub to watch an untelevised 3pm kick-off… even then its a load of semi-drunk men who under the influence of alcohol think they can lead Hayes and Yeading United to the Champions League… but what Sheasy did there, was the defensive requirements in a libero, right? Feel free to correct me if wrong.
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Why Wenger is somehow still considered a ‘world-class’ manager is beyond me.
Agreed… world class coach yeah he can develop players but as a tactician he is poor
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I think Wenger’s best postion in football would be the director of football. His ablity to bring in talent is up there with anyone and he does this while turning a profit every year. But, as a gameday manager he seems to be too stubborn in his tactical approach. I think the best situation would have him making all the personel decisions and have someone like Harry Redknapp(a great gameday manager whose transfer record is pretty poor)take control of the team on gamedays.
It would be a pretty good combination. I fully agree wenger should be the director of football for arsenal not the manager. Right now Wenger’s managerial rivals all have clear cut plans to deal with Arsenal. While wenger himself seems to have no plan other than to shove his best passing players into his side and hope for the best. Their needs to be a balance between passing players and direct players. Even spain at the world cup realized the balance. They had used Pedro instead of let say a silva because they knew they would need another direct option and they couldn’t just rely on villa as their only direct outlet.
Also Arsenal are generally very one dimensional team. Man united seemed to have no trouble adapting to a counter attacking plan. While Arsenal seemed unable to execute effectively when they versed Barcelona.
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As a Liverpool fan, Arsene Wenger is a top manager. I agree that tactically he is naive at points. But he is a brilliant coach. His development of younger players, his philosophy, the football he gets his teams playing. I know that he needs to win a trophy but Arsenal getting rid of him doesn’t make sense. He has spent a lot less money than the other top teams and yet they are second in the league and up till two weeks ago were in four competitions. They’ve had a difficult fixture schedule recently and I think people need to stop judging Wenger. He hasn’t turned into a bad manager.
Wenger hasn’t won a trophy since 2005. I would imagine many of the people who leave comments here or on other websites are quite young and may not even remember ‘the Invincibles’ for example or certainly weren’t mature enough to appreciate just how outstanding the job he did was at the time. If you struggle to remember Highbury, then yes – Wenger is a serial failure!
“Even Spain used Pedro instead of let say a silva because they knew they would need another direct option and they couldn’t just rely on villa as their only direct outlet.”
And there was me thinking Spain used Pedro over David Silva because they needed a wide player to stay wide to stretch the play opposite to Iniesta cutting inside like Wenger has played Walcott all season up until his injury against Nasri cutting inside. And why is it “Even Spain”? Are they traditionally known for being tactically stupid?
Arsenal were without a number of injured players but the loss of Walcott and Cesc fundamentally changes the team – they have no replacements for them. If Bendtner had scored that sitter against Barca, who could suggest Wenger is not fit to be the coach? What reactionary nonsense.
Pedro provides both options. He is direct with the ball and he can stretch the play. I dont remember Pedro and playing on the same flank? Weren’t they on opposite sides of the field. Also i said “Even Spain” because spain are infamous for loading their side with a lot of passing players, but all tournament they used 2 direct players. Well except the match vs switzerland where they played 5 tiki taki style players and lost because they lacked width and penetration. Heres the article just in case you forgot http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/17/spain-0-1-switzerland-tactics/. And stop picking fights on the internet.
I don’t understand the first thing you said. I think you’ve left something out.
Also I completely disagree about Spain. Spain’s game is based on skill and passing. There is no overloading with passers for vanity. That is a lazy charicature of their game and fails to understand the ethos. The team is well balanced and they are world champions. I don’t need to read about the game. I was at the game supporting my country. I remember Navas came on and the game opened up because he was a winger and stretched the game but too late. Maybe you could have told Vicente del Bosque how he could have beaten Switzerland (after the game, of course, like every other “expert”).
It seems to me Arsene Wenger must have kicked over your sandcastle or something because I read you complain about him over and over and never with justification. Also saying ‘They played Pedro because he is direct’ and being corrected and then saying ‘Yes, that’s what I said, they played Pedro because he stretches the play and is direct’ is not a good quality. Better to say ‘Yes, that was probably the more important feature of his play now that you have pointed it out to me’.
Monty –
Whoa, whoa, whoa there mate!? Harry’s transfer record is poor? I think not! ok, Palacios is not worth 14million, but he kept the spurs up in Harry’s first season there (as Harry loves to remind people, when Harry took over, Spurs had drawn 2 and lost 6 of their first 8 games and were bottom of the table). Other than that, I would definitely say that Harry’s transfer record everywhere he’s been has been very good…..have you read this forum’s comments (check out the Spurs/Milan 0-0 page) about what a buy Sandro is turning out to be…..?!?
I think most of the successful signings at Spurs these last few years have been more the work of Levy than ‘Arry. Except for bringing back Robbie Keane. That one was all the manager.
Understand that he might have gotten it wrong today…but what would you have done instead? Such a cop out to criticize in hindsight.
But it’s not just today(if it were, I’d agree with you). No, this is a long-standing pattern. It’s predictable, to say the least…
he shud be made incharge of the youth academy of Arsenal…and leave the real job to the pros!
Yeah i think it would be better for arsenal if he was moves to the director of football position and leaves the tactical side for a real tactician like villas boas from porto.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Villas_Boas for those who haven’t heard of him.
He’s second in the league having spent hundreds of millions of pounds less than his rivals you utter mongs
In summary, that sounds fantastic. Second in the league with a bunch of players probably worth about £7m bar Nasri, Wilshere, Cesc and RVP.
But then again a team consisting of 7 defenders just beat him. Sure, Song wasn’t there. Fabregas wasn’t there. Walcott wasn’t there. Although I never quite understand why Arsenal fans speak of Walcott with such respect. Bar his pace, he lacks the intelligence or skill to beat any defender and going up against the likes of Evra, it wouldn’t have been too hard to guess which man would come out on top.
Wenger’s tactics are questionable at best. His tactics (that ZM highlighted earlier this week) were very odd for a team that prides itself on playing football. His tactics against Ferguson have always been questionable. Losing 1-0 earlier this season and Man United very comfortable in midfield, he removes a midfielder for a striker. The result? Arsenal don’t fashion one clear cut chance in the remaining 25 minutes of play.
His style of play has become very predictable to defend against. Sit narrow and hit them on the counter. I’m sure Ferguson doesn’t need to say much more than that.
And I agree with those calling for him to move upstairs. Financially – genius. Discovering talent – genius. Tactics to overcome stubborn opponents – not so great.
Plenty of chances were created in the last 25 minutes actually but no need to let the facts get in the way of a good story. Arsenal weren’t clinical enough but there were plenty of chances. Chamakh’s header, the striker you mention who was brought on, was a sitter.
If Wenger is really as utterly useless as the all knowing tactical aficionados on here like to make out I do wonder what that says about all the other managers in the Premier League. Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini must have absolutely fluked their way to all their trophies if, despite spending hundreds of millions more than Arsenal, their teams are sitting comfortably below Arsene’s clueless team of bottlers.
This is my break down of the match. Minus the comments on Wenger.
http://footballphilospher.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/manchester-united-vs-arsenal-good-organization-and-counter-attacking-wins-out/
Wenger has his faults–but so much depends on how you evaluate tactics. Arsenal created chances, and good ones at that. His subs (other than Rosicky) were good, as they all made an impact. But Chamahk needs to bury the header; Rosicky needs to slice in Sagna’s cross–these things happen, game is at 2-2. That’s the difference between the two teams.
Wenger’s real [tactical?] fault is NOT picking up a few top quality players in the January window, all the while claiming that he wanted compete on all four fronts. As he found out the hard way, he has:
1. No real replacement for Song.
2. No veteran center back to anchor the defense.
3. No speed demon to replace Walcott.
4. And hence no ability to rest players.
Diaby is too inefficient; Rosicky can’t score (so why put him on); Chamahk is still green–maybe next year he’s selfish enough to score.
Bright side: the Wilshire-Ramsey combination in midfield could stabilize things in the immediate future.
Was going to comment but MMT summarized my thoughts perfectly. 100% agree. Arsenal does not have depth in the right places once you get past the first eleven.
I would add that there is no viable replacement striker for van Persie either – the available options up front (Chamakh, Bendtner) are not nearly dangerous enough.
“Although I never quite understand why Arsenal fans speak of Walcott with such respect.”
See the above comments about “stretching the play” by Jeez and you’ll see why Walcott is important to Arsenal
Typical Man U. Arsenal game–but I also suspect a warm-up for the real game to come. Not so sure that the criticism of Wenger is entirely on the mark: just too many games without a break, and too many players with injuries to take on Man U on their home turf. Still–
1. Clinical finishing vs. ‘good’ shots. What a difference here between the two teams!
2. No one on Arsenal attacks the box off ball. Arsenal never seem to get cheap, easy, quick goals.
3. Diaby is a complete disaster; ball movement and off-ball movement just die as soon as he gets a touch. “Cumbersome” with the ball–spot on! Looks to me like Ramsey is read to step in–actually a nice sub for Wenger.
4. Quite apparent now who is willing to work for Arsenal, and who is just playing.
An observation to be made from this game.
I thought one of the main reasons for United’s great performance was down to one word: energy.
In the last few weeks, mainly due to injuries, United have often had a team out on the pitch with Scholes, Carrick, Berbatov, Giggs, on the pitch at the same time. If this quartet make up 4 of your 6 attacking players (ie your 4 midfielders and 2 strikers) then you are seriously lacking in pace and energy.
Today, however, with the da Silva twins and Hernandez starting (and Valencia coming on for Fabio at half time), United had far more energy and pace in their team, and subsequently had more verve and dynamism when attacking. Their two goals were a direct result of this.
I think you’ve go this spot on. Add to it that Arsnal played Barca midweek at camp nou, and you get a young team full of energy vs. a tired and worn out team. Arsenal have been playing midweek games forever it seems. 13 games in the lat 6 weeks. Plus January was packed full as well. The team is burnt out. They desparately need a break. The two Barcelona games took a huge amount of energy. The two replays have certainly taken their toll as the team has not gotten recovery time. Maybe we’ll see Arsenal storm back after getting some recovery in the next several weeks. Hopefully we’ll have a title race going right to the very end….
I have been thinking all night, how exactly should Arsene approach the game vs a team that plays deep, pack the box, surrender the wings and play on the counter aka Manu today?
By having a more penetrative creative midfielder and hope one of the through ball gets through and converted?
Playing more direct and work the ball into the box quicker?
Feint cross and pass the ball back to the middle when the opposition are packing their box?
I dont understand why Wenger is so obsessed with Arshavin..
Its pretty obvious that the guy cannot offer a lot..
After his first 3-4 satisfactory months in Emirates, he is below the level a top club needs for a starter..
He is a second striker converted into winger, but he does not possess neither the pace nor the positioning to stretch the play as he always comes inside..
And he also never defends…
You cannot afford such a player in most games..
I dont know where eboue is lost, cauz he could form a brilliant duo with Sagna, as he is awsome on the ball and he is slightly more attack-minded and slightly less defensively reliable than how a fullback should be in a back of four..
Arshavin is a very good player. Sensational in fact. If you watch his technique, it is definitely up there with some of the best in the world.
Arshavin’s big problem (and one that the likes of Adriano, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Robinho suffer from) is that he’s not a workhorse. The problem with this is that he often lets his full back partner get bombarded.
He is very much a luxury player. He can turn a match on his head but go missing when times get tough.
i would say average good technique for an attacker (Better than Fabregas and Nasri? No…), but that alone does not produce anything.
Football is not like what it was some 40 years ago.. Only good technique does not get you anywhere.. You have to be quick, even in an average level, which arshavin is not..
Apart from pace and defensive responsibilities, he seems to lack an essential agility on the legs. Uses only his right foot and takes a lot of time to turn and try to dribble the defender.. This makes him easily predictable in most cases..
What he really is is a second (short and auxilliary) striker and he can be useful when the game is played inside the box (when opposition is defending massively)
I dont say that he is crap, but he should not start in this team and the system that they play..
You are chatting absolute bollocks I’m afraid mate.
Arshavin might have lost a bit of pace but he certainly isn’t slow. ‘Average’ technique is hilarious but saying that he only uses one foot takes the biscuit. Are you absolutely certain you’re talking about the same player as the rest of us?
If it cheers you up though, he lost his starting spot in the team months ago so you’re attacking a straw man anyway.
What is more:
1) Nasri has been brilliant this year, but he is also not a winger.. He could thrive in a central position..
2)Wenger should really start considering seriously eboue and clichy cases in winger positions when he needs good defensive jobs on opposition full backs and stretching the play..
3)I think Djourou should partner next year with Vermaelen. THey could form a pair with the same potential as Ferdinand – Vidic, as they have similar characteristics respectively
Nasri playing centrally, based on what exactly? His best ever season has come when he’s playing on the wing, whether it be right, or more commonly left, so why should he change? He may not be a natural winger, but the way Arsenal play, you don’t really need a ‘natural winger’, i.e: someone who will look to get down the wing, beat the defender and put crosses in, that’s not the way he Arsenal play, but that’s not to say he doesn’t play very well on the wing, he cuts inside very nicely, and he also drifts into central positions at times anyway, helping pack the midfield which will help Arsenal dominate possession, no need to fix what isn’t broke, Nasri is a very effective ‘winger’.
Vermaelen is not at the standard of a Vidic/Ferdinand. Vermaelen may be quite physically strong, but he doesn’t have the aerial presence of a Ferdinand, or more to the point Vidic, regardless of his good jumping, so for this reason, he shouldn’t be the agressor in the partnership. Last year, he was the agressor in his partnership with Gallas, TV would attack the balls, Gallas covering anything that went behind, problem was, Vermaelen was getting beaten for quite alot in the air, especially by the bigger target man type of striker, and also his reading of the game was very poor, he’d go for balls he didn’t have a chance of making more often than not, and this would lead to problems. However, he does have pretty decent ground speed, where as JD is strong, as well as being very good in the air, so I could see Vermaelen being the sort of ‘Ferdinand’ defender, as opposed to being the Vidic, because I personally don’t think he suits that role.
- the fact that he cuts inside speaks for itself. No real winger, even inverted (see Adam Johnson) cuts so much inside.
Agree that he can be effective there, but in specific games.. There are a lot of games (the majority) that Arsenal lacks (frustratingly) width, and it took so long for Wenger to realise and pick Walcot over Arshavin..
And stretching the play and going down the line does not mean automatically to put crosses in afterwards.. Good passing game and combinations can take place even there, on the flanks..
- Agree about not good reading of the game, but i think he has a very decent aerial presence. In my mind, he is an aggressor, he always looks to win the ball and get first there..
” i.e: someone who will look to get down the wing, beat the defender and put crosses in, that’s not the way he Arsenal play,”
I think Arsenal could do with a bit more get down the wing and get crosses in though, otherwise it’s all so much tip tap on the edge of the oppositions area – easy to defend narrow against in all honesty.
Sagna was one of the Arsenal players that actually looked like he could provide a threat getting up from full-back and crossing and Chamakh shoulda had a goal really. Not saying you’d want that option all of the time but it’s at least a plan b.
1) Whose central position would Nasri be taking? Unless you want a central 3 of Nasri-Wilshere-Fabregas with no Song to provide muscle in defence. Of course if Fabregas is sold back to Barca this summer, the question becomes moot, but at the moment, leaving Wilshere, Fab or Song out of the team would be foolish, and none of them can be shunted to the wings.
2)Arshavin produces a LOT of assists. For all the intricate passing, Arsenal too often lack the inclination to try that final ball, and Arshavin’s one of the few that will slip one through. He also tries a lot of stupid passes, giving him a horrendous pass completion rate, and he is lazy and doesn’t defend, and he often goes anonymous in games, but against a deep line, where the pace of Walcott won’t do, he’ll often give you that one chance your team needs – even if it then turns out to be his only contribution of the game.
Nasri has 1 league assist, Walcott has 6, Arshavin 11.
Clichy and Eboue, by contrast, lack invention in the final third. And they don’t cross particularly well either. You’d be leaving a lot of pressure on your central creative midfielders to provide the opportunities.
3) Djourou’s a quality player. He should be first name on the teamsheet, with Vermaelen and Koscielny fighting to partner him.
I whole-heartedly agree with especially your second and third point. About the first point, I myself obviously wouldn’t play Nasri in midfield if we had everyone available, but at Arsenal we rarely do. I think Nasri could fill the role Wilshere do today very well, as a passer, who is especially good at keeping the ball in the team. I don’t really see anyone but Wilshere and Nasri that would be good at doing exactly that job. I by the way hate Nasri as playmaker, since I think his vision is almost shockingly lacking. For me the most natural replacement for Fabregas at the club would be Ramsey. They are very similar, and for me Ramsey has the second best vision of our midfielders.
I believe that the entire Arsenal lacks the player to make the ‘clever’ pass, but really very few teams have such a player like Xavi..
So, the point that Nasri lacks vision does not stand in this context..
Even Fabregas (which i consider leaving) may have better vision, but not one to make the difference..
The player that plays in the ‘hole’ is not always needed to play ingenious passes.. A player that can storm inside the box like Nasri is a great option..
1) i just forgot to mention that i almost take it for granted that Fab will leave sooner (this summer) or later(the next) for Barcelona..
2)The point is that Arshavin should not start in most games of the season. He can be a good sub when the opposition is defending deep and narrow, but in a 4-2-3-1 that Wenger plays he is really poor on either wing..
And clichy and eboue should be used there only in ‘big’ games. Yesterday against United for example i did not see any reason why arshavin started over Eboue on the right..
Absolutely not one..
3)Agree but i consider Vermaelen a very good player too..
Don’t particuarly agree that the twins had great games today, as both were blowing 20 mins into the match probably shocked by the work load of playing on the wing is in comparison to full back. Also had trouble tracking runs by Gibbs and Sagna deep into the man utd half..
I think that arsenal didn’t really care all that much about this game. I think that they saw it as a warm up match for the next ManU Arsenal game which will be at the Emirates. Also Wenger has to see that Diaby and Rosicky are no longer good enough for trying to win titles
Dont worry ArseNull fans..I have written to the FA to make the following changes which will ensure that we win some silver ware next season :
Stadiums like Camp Nou,OT,Anfield,Stamford Bridge should be declared no noise zones. Look we Gunners dont have a massive fan following like they do so we are against 11 players on the field and 70,000 off the field.This gives them an unfair advantage
Retirement age for players to be fixed at 35..which means highly decorated players likeVDS,Giggs,Scholes will no longer be eligible. In my personal opinion u should call it a day after winning a dozen medals
Our defence is susceptible to aerial threats and the problem worsens with Djourou missing for some months. Defenders will be allowed to play wearing high heels upto 1 feet during set pieces.
Some of my players like Letharvin,Diaperby and Denullson dont like runnning…skates may be provided please
Throw ins to be replace by kicks..that rules out Dolap as well
We will win some cup next season
Even the son of god can sound like a plonker
ZM,
Do you think Ferguson’s tactic of using attacking full backs as wingers can be termed as the tactical innovation of 2011? I remember Senortubbs’s comment in the 1st leg Milan CL game, saying that Allegri could do a tactical innovation considering their injury crisis in midfield similar to the striker crisis in Roma which led to striker-less formation.
There are some advantages and disadvantages of this midfield-less(or mid-less formation).
ADVANTAGES
1)This system would do well against both narrow and wide formations. Against narrow teams, they can form a back six . This formation is naturally well suited against wide teams.
2)This formation system is counter attacking and defensively well balanced.
DISADVANTAGES
1)You will see very less possession.
2)Your converted wingers have to be as energetic as Fabio and Rafael.
3)If your wingers form a back six, your holding midfielders have to cover a large space in front of the defence.
Any more points? You are free to discuss.
Jack Charlton used this tactic against Holland in the Euro 96 play off at Anfield, his last game in charge of the Republic. However, Jeff Kenna and Terry Phelan were no Da Silvas,and they were missing Roy Keane in midfield. Ireland lacked the players to counter attack, and as the Dutch side contained Kluivert, Overmars, Davids, Seedorf, Bergkamp, all the disadvantages you list were there big time, Ireland barely saw the ball, and were lucky to only lose 2-0. As you saw last night though, it can work with the right players.
That is quite interesting, I guess if it’s hard to state Fabio and Rafael are defensively minded because their passport encourages them not to be! however they certainly wont be as incisive as the likes of C.Ronaldo, Robben, J Menez (Roma), Walcott, Mauloda, etc…
In the instance of Fabio’s goal it came from a counter attack (as all attacks did) which ment a rush of energy and momentum in the right direction, if Arsenal had played deeper and say back then you get a different result you end up with two Left Backs, and two Right backs, and a gulf of space between Striker and the next attacking player.
What next? you push forward a Centre Midfielder, thus vacating space in the middle. In the example of facing a team like Arsenal, Barca, Inter, Chelsea where their build up play comes not from the wings but thru the middle this would be suicide.
So did SAF show a formation for the future, I doubt it, what he did do is use an extra couple of Defenders and Arsene made it easy for him by playing so high up the field.
A much improved vibrant performance from United.
Great to see Valencia back and what an impact. Smalling is class with great composure and maturity.
Nice to see Rooney’s control and touch back after going missing this season.
Wilshere was class for Arsenal
Van Der Sar gets an assist with both goals – much overlooked how good his distribution is.
Nice analysis once again, but the comparision between ManU and Benfica is somewhat hitting thin air. Even though Carlos Martins is usually playing deeper than Aimar, he is still definitely a creative than a holding player. Additionally, Saviola is drops off even when Aimer is fielded. Moreover, early during his stay at Benfica Jorge Jesus used Coentrao as an substitute for Di Maria – a fairly offensive winger at his stay at Benfica – so, for Jesus’ point of view, Coentrao is likely to be more of a winger converted into a offensive full back than vice versa.
To finish that point, as far as I remember Coentrão had always been a winger as a youth player before he got his break for Benfica’s first team – namely for Rio Ave, Nacional and the portuguese U-20 team that played in the World Cup in Canada when he shone a lot. It was Jorge Jesus who converted him into a full-back last season, I thought JJ was insane when I first saw him try that, as Coentrão had always seemed a Ronaldo-like flair player uninterested in defending. How wrong I was!
And Martins definitely isn’t a holding player.
Check out the my Match Report of this match. Tell me what you think.
http://footballphilospher.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/manchester-united-vs-arsenal-good-organization-and-counter-attacking-wins-out/
Arsenal beaten by a midfield containing Gibson and O’Shea. I don’t know if I should laugh at or feel sorry for Arsenal.
The only thing that irks me is that United had to concede possession against a side like Arsenal who got schooled by Barcelona. I’m worried about what will happen if United face Barcelona in the Champions League.
When was the last time Arsenal was able to field this team?
Szczesny, Clichy, Sagna, Vermarlen, Djourou, Song, Wilshire, Fabregas, Nasri, Walcott, Van Persie
I don’t think we have in the last 18 months maybe more
Yawwwwnnnn, do you know when Szczesny made his debut? Do you know when Djourou was bought?
Szczesny League Cup 2008 on loan to Brentford played around 30 games was outstanding
Djourou bought around the same time as Sendross suffered a few injuries but followed an outstanding performance in the 2006 World Cup by breaking into the Arsenal First team
YYYaaaawwwwwnnnnn, yes I do, now what?
Ooops, I failed to track your Barcelona beating team properly. Damn.
And Mr. Wiseguy, I meant debut for Arsenal. Not in professional football. Now please go back to your Football Manager to play your dream team.
What does the signing of Szczesny or Djourou have to do with anything relating to yesterday? This is a tactics website and not a “let’s all post mundane comments about rival teams because we have nothing worthwhile to say” site.
As an arsenal fan, I don’t know why we still struggle so hard to take advantage of man u using their standard strategy of surrendering territory and possession to pack the box, suck us up the pitch and hit us on the counter.
In brutal terms, if a team is just going to defend their penalty box (this is only an exagerration when analysing the first half) what they are effectively doing is saying, please bombard our area with crosses and tee up your midfielders to blast shots at our goal through a melee of players. So we really just needed to do that especially since it’s where our best chances came from – chamakh’s header (cross), rosicky’s sitter (cross), van persie’s header from the corner (cross) and either of his shots from the edge of the area + that shot rosicky mashed at van der sar and which he only palmed down into the box begging to be tapped in – and it’s a much lower risk strategy than trying to thread eye of the needle stuff through a massed defence made up of players with good individual quality.
It’s not hard for a team of arsenal’s quality to work situations on the flanks for crossing or to tee up speculative shots without (and this is crucial) overcommitting and getting sucker punched on the break. We’ve got good crossers of the ball, we’ve got good headers of the ball, we have players who can hit the ball well from beyond the box. We could and should have had united on the ropes all game – we experienced no difficulty in moving the ball up to their third and United let us have time in the wide zones in their third, I lost count of the number of overlaps that we created against isolated full backs but ended up rejecting because there weren’t any bodies in the box.
Chamakh showed in the limited time he was on the pitch when we were still playing ok that he is very dangerous even (perhaps especially) in a congested box, despite his poor finish. Diaby looked uncomfortable to the point of, at times, actually breaking our 4-2-1-3 system by so badly failing to link the play, but he’s the most physically impressive individual in the arsenal team and possibly on the pitch, he would have caused havoc in the penalty box (as an aside, I’ve always thought he would make a decent striker, he’s got sleight of foot, a good shot and a lot of physical presence, while he’s demonstrably a horrible midfielder)
Though it seems counter intuitive to cross the ball against a massed defence in someways, it actually makes a lot more sense than trying to thread the ball through miniscule gaps into a very compressed area behind the defence, especially on a slick surface. Packing the box (to deal with an aerial threat at least) runs into the problem of diminishing returns, beyond a certain point it ceases to really offer much more protection, gets in the goalkeepers way etc and more importantly with fewer of your players around to pick up the pieces the other team get to recycle and you don’t get to relieve the pressure with a punchy counter.
It effectively creates a goalmouth scramble in their box where anything can happen rather than a situation where a whole chunk of your outfield players get stranded effectively the wrong side of the ball with the ball at an opponents feet against a pacy team because someone misplays a technically difficult pass near the edge of their box. It’s a lot easier to start a counterattack when you are gifted the ball in such a situation, much harder when trying to pick up the pieces from a desperate clearing header or a ricocheting deflected ball that’s been smashed goalwards.
United repeatedly set up this way, inviting pressure, we should really test them but instead we end up under pressure when a ridiculously intricate passing move breaks down – the monotony of it is infuriating.
Diaby has a lot of talent but on most days he is too good to be himself. For me the prime suspect has to be Denilson. He was at fault for both the goals. For the 1st goal when Fabio passed to Rooney in the central area he should have been covering to deny Rooney time to pick his pass. For the 2nd goal when Valencia was making that run on the wing, Denilson ran alongside in the center; did not bother tackling him or stop the run. He did not cover his defence when required while on the offensive he was the one to slow down the pace with his 5/10 yards sideways or back passing. Is he really from BRAZIL!!!
I don’t know why Denilson get such a hard ride from the Arsenal Fans
I’m not his biggest fan but I understand his role in the team, alot of top teams have a carrier of the ball, a pace setter, a controller of the ball infront of the defense.
Players like Buschetts, Obi Mikel, Carrick, Banaga, Ambrosini, they might not set the world on fire with moments of flair and brilliance but the hold the shape of the team well.
Denilson started to break through around the same time as Anderson, interestingly both are suffering from a lack of Confidence, mostly in Denilson’s part caused by unrest at the Emirates, look at Denilson’s performances away from home (and sadly this goes for a few more of our team) and they are much better, you can see a weight of expectation lifted from his shoulders
In my view Denilson is capable of a long range beauty (vs Newcastle) and great timing of a pass it’s just a lack of confidence caused by over expectations from ignorent fans. When Arsenal are playing well the Emirates of rocking and they appricate what the lads do but when they don’t quite get it the atomosphere drops, a hush envelops, groans and moans like a Zombie B-Movie echo around the Staduim with any miss placed pass.
Arsenal are chocking at the end of seasons because of this expectation, I can’t think of any finer proof then the Carling Cup Final. “They wanted it too much” Wenger post game.
It’s this pressure that causes Arsenal to sink then swim, from kick off at Old Trafford I thought this game was for the taking. SAF played with 7 defenders his intentions were clear, and the game should have been a walk in the park for Arsene’s 11 even away from home.
No finer opportunity could have been put infront of them with the Team United put out, for all the praise Fabio, Rooney and SAF received, it was “Pressure” that stopped it getting out of hand for United, had a team of 11 relaxed proffessional Arsenal players stepped out most of the midfield could have helped themselves to a goal, Wilshire, Rosicky, RVP, Nasri, Djourou all could have been on the score sheet.
I hate to admit it but United need only look after their own team safe in the knowledge Arsenal will find a way to implode.
What was most remarkable about this game was the use of Rafael and Fabio, not as ‘wing-backs’ but as ‘fling-backs’ launching themselves forward at every opportunity knowing that they had little or no defensive obligations. Could this be a new evolutionary step towards the fabled ‘chaos football’, where players will become less positionally disciplined and play the situation more than the formation? I think yes and have written extensively on the subject in my blog. Daniel Alves, Maicon, Lahm… the fling-back is here to stay. Wenger simply had no answer to it.
Funny i dont remember making this comment…. .
Hey loser(im not going to curse here) if you’re trying to make me look bad dont hide behind my name. Pathetic. I wouldnt be surprised if it was jeez. Class less.
This is what i wrote about rafel and fabio.
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Fabio and Rafael got up and down the flanks very well and were integral to man United’s counter attacks during the first half. Their pace allowed them to join the Man united attack quickly. Also they got into good positions in both attacking and defensive phases of the game.