Barcelona 5-0 Real Madrid: historic Barca win

The starting line-ups
Barcelona produced a truly legendary performance to go top of the table.
Pep Guardiola deviated little from his favoured XI so far this season – the closest thing to a surprise was at left-back, where Eric Abidal played ahead of Maxwell. Lionel Messi started in the centre, with David Villa on the left.
Jose Mourinho did not change his 4-2-3-1, playing Mesut Ozil despite reports the German would be sacrificed for another ball-winner in midfield. Gonzalo Higuain was not fit enough to start, so Karim Benzema played alone upfront.
First things first – this wasn’t an inherently ‘tactical’ victory. Barcelona won primarily because of the cohesion and quality of the interplay in midfield. Their passing patterns in the centre of the pitch are the result of years of experience playing together, something Real couldn’t hope to match.
Nevertheless, there were various interesting tactical points from the game that may not have decided the outcome, but certainly contributed to Barcelona’s rout.
Real wingers
Mourinho started the game with his wingers on the opposite flanks to usual – Ronaldo out on the right and Angel di Maria on the left, presumably to work around the problem of Real defending against Dani Alves, as Di Maria is the better defensive player. Whilst Mourinho is generally a reactionary manager anyway, in a sense Guardiola had won the first battle of the match without a ball being kicked, since Mourinho felt the need to play his most dangerous player somewhere other than the position where he had been turning in incredible performances so far this campaign.
Ronaldo is not alien to the right wing, of course – it is the position where he established himself at Manchester United. However, Mourinho is clearly a fan of stability – he’s changed his starting XI as little as possible so far this season, and considering how well Ozil (who plays left-of-centre) links up with Ronaldo, breaking up that combination was a surprise, and was (a small) part of the reason why Ozil wasn’t very effective in this game. There’s also an argument that Ronaldo playing high up the pitch on the right indirectly opened up space on the flank for Iniesta, who often moved to Barca’s left.
Barcelona centre-backs
The second point of note here is how often Barcelona’s centre-backs switched. Generally, Gerard Pique plays on the right of the pairing and Carles Puyol plays on the left. However, the two frequently swapped sides during the game, seemingly according to which side of the pitch Ronaldo was on. Puyol always appeared to be on the side closest to Ronaldo, ready to double up against him – as if Guardiola didn’t completely trust Pique, who has a tendency to dive into tackles.
Eventually Ronaldo moved back over the left-hand side, but this was after Barcelona had already gone 1-0 up.
Barcelona also occasionally used a tactic they had showcased most obviously against Sevilla, where Daniel Alves moved high up the pitch and overloaded that side, whilst left-back Eric Abidal remained more conservative and formed a back three with Pique moving out to the right. This kept 3 v 2 against Benzema and Ronaldo.
Barca lead
The first goal was slightly unfortunate from Real’s point of view, but the concession of an early goal was a disaster for Mourinho’s gameplan, which involved Real’s defensive line sitting relatively deep on the edge of the penalty box. Even then, they were vulnerable to balls being threaded through the defence for midfield runners, because they were getting outplayed in the centre of midfield and one of Barcelona’s midfielders generally had time on the ball to slide it through.
The goal – or, you could argue, the second goal, which arrived on 18 minutes – meant Real could no longer afford to simply defend. They had to come out and play (or at least try to) which meant they were always going to be more susceptible to the pace of Barcelona’s attackers as the space behind the defence increased.
Midfield battle
Ozil’s defensive task was to pick up Xavi, but Xavi simply moved higher up the pitch where Ozil wasn’t comfortable tracking him – that movement was part of the reason why Xavi found himself in an uncharacteristic centre-forward position for the first goal. Xavi was able to leave the centre midfield area to Busquets, who kept things simple and distributed the ball forward excellently.
His World Cup-winning midfield partner Xabi Alonso looked much less assured, and Messi’s drifts towards him presented Alonso with a dilemma about whether to drop goalside and give Barca free run in midfield, or to let him go free and force one of the centre-backs out. It was generally the latter and Ricardo Carvalho put in possibly the worst performance of his career, stepping out of the defence and further exposing Real’s defence.
The pattern was so simple – ball forward to Messi in a deep position, he would then jink past the first challenge and knock the ball through the defence for Villa – or leave that part of the job to Xavi or Iniesta. Villa was constantly flagged offside in the first half, but eventually timed his runs much better and scored two goals in the second half. Real’s offside trap was astonishingly bad to start with and got worse as the game went on, though an equal portion of blame should be attached to the midfield for the lack of pressure upon the Barcelona player playing the pass.
Mourinho error
Sometimes you simply cannot stop Messi. How could Real have done it? Well, they could have used another holding player, and the introduction of Lassana Diarra for Ozil at half-time was nothing more or less than the obvious – an admission Mourinho got his starting line-up wrong. Against truly top-class opposition, especially a team playing a player ‘in the hole’ (as Messi often was, despite nominally playing as a forward), Alonso as the deepest midfield doesn’t work – he is neither particularly mobile nor a good tackler, and needs an enforcer alongside him. The Champions League final of 2005 showed that particularly well.
Diarra’s introduction did little to hold back the tide, of course, as Real moved to a 4-3-3 system. (Even that seemed slightly strange – the three forwards played very high up the pitch, maybe with the intention to use their pace in behind Barcelona’s high backline, but Real found it impossible to get the ball to them. Ronaldo was a threat in the first half, and invisible in the second.) But this was when Real were forced to play higher up the pitch, and after Barca had got themselves into a commanding position. Playing Diarra as a scrapper may have had more of an effect from the start of the game when Real could defend deeper.
Finally, Barca pressed very well. In the first half it was, by their standards, subdued on the pressing front – they seemed reasonably happy for Real’s centre-backs to have time on the ball, and instead worked on making it difficult for them to play the ball forward into the midfield. The literal point on the pitch from where Barca started to press may not have changed as the game went on, but as Real’s defence played higher, this naturally meant their centre-backs were suddenly getting shut down as soon as they got the ball – another (convoluted) reason why playing with a deep defence against Barcelona is preferable.
Conclusion
It’s doubtful any set of tactics would have resulted in Barcelona not winning this game, but Mourinho clearly made a mistake in his team selection. On the other hand, Barcelona adapted their shape slightly to suit the game (Abidal playing was the right call, the way the centre-backs swapped positions made them more defensively secure against Ronaldo) but didn’t compromise their attacking ability.
Still, if Mourinho does one thing well, it is learning lessons from defeats. He has never been on the end of a defeat like this, but one year and five days ago, his Inter side were completely outplayed by Barcelona at the Nou Camp, losing 2-0 and getting passed off the pitch in a manner similar to tonight. By the time the two sides contested the semi-final in late April, however, Mourinho had worked out how to beat Barcelona, and Inter won the tie.
The return fixture is on April 17 at the Bernabeu, and so Mourinho has a similar amount of time to work out how to turn this one around.
Barcelona 5-0 Real Madrid: historic Barca win




In the semis against Inter, Barca didn’t have Iniesta. THAT was the big difference.
An exaggeration rooted in truth
Nevertheless, Iniesta’s presence is crucial to Messi’s role as a false 9. He provides a mobile passing option and so often played easy 1-2’s with Messi in the attacking third. Madrid’s normally excellent holders were ghosts in midfield as Xavi pushed forward and linked with Messi and Iniesta. They outnumbered and outclassed Madrid’s midfield, even when Ozil made it 3v3. Lass’ introduction evened the numbers, but there remained a gulf in quality in the center of the pitch (which was pretty much the edge of Madrid’s third with the way Barca dominated). Their sublime interchange and through balls made mincemeat out of Madrid’s disorganized back line.
Matt’s appraisal of Iniesta & Xavi reminds me of the old Mazzola-Rivera conundrum in the Italian national teams of the 60s/early 70s. Both were excellent creators in their own seperate ways; Rivera would lend cadence to the play (much like Xavi) sending the ball travel to places that he saw as available before any other player, whilst Mazzola would accelerate the play by actively seeking out spaces with the ball at his feet.
For any team it’s a blessing to have this combination of contrasting kinds of playmakers.
Another playmaker, Cesc Fabregas, watched this game from London while grunting,
“DAMN! This team is impeccable and plays really beautiful football. If only I moved to Barca this season…”
The playmakers can’t afford to be passengers though. Milan have contrasting playmakers (Pirlo, Ronaldinho etc…) but their playmakers don’t work like Barca’s. Ronaldinho in particular waits for a ball to his feet, tries a fancy trick, loses the ball, then repeats.
Of course Matt,
I should have stated that Mazzola and Rivera were playing in a much different era; a slower, less intense one, so that even in Italian teams who prioritised defence, playamkers could afford to be carried.
The italian phrasing would be a seconda punta and a trequartista (like a Kaka/Robinho combo, if Kaka slowed the game down more). the difference with Barca was essentially playing 3 seconda puntas (Villa and Pedro cutting inside, and Messi playing in the hole, all excellent dribblers and runners off the ball) and 2 trequartistas (Xavi was more attacking than usual), as well as an excellent distributer behind them.
look at 1:16 of the above video. no comment needed, the story of the game in a single frame. Xavi really should have scored though.
Not to mention the disruptive bus trip, Ibra being Ibra plus being half-fit, etc. Just poor conditions all round to perform well. And Inter still needed an offside goal and a great deal of desperate defending to pull it off..
… and a anuled and legal goal in second match scored by Bojan in minute 85.
Inter needed many referee help against Chelsea and Barça
What about Piquet’s offside goal and Mascherano’s theatrics witch lead to the unfair red card for T. Motta ?!
Inter was simply the better team.
Actually it was Busquets. It just wasn’t Barcelona’s day.
What a terrible excuse.
I take it you’ve never been on a 16-hour bus ride.
a bus trip forces them to rest on the coach which can only be a good thing!
No,the difference was Barca had Ibra. He can’t play the false 9 position like Messi can. He isn’t able to control the game like Messi did.
it is simple to stop a false 9, let one of your centre backs follow him when he drops deep, and so the other centre back is left spare at the back with no one threatening him
mmmm… it doesn’t sound as easy as you think it is.
One CB cannot control the backline by himself, too much space… I think it’s suicide to have a CB chase Messi, his movement and speed will be devastating. I’d say a DM could do a better job but a CB? never.
Also, Pedro and Villa always cuts in, which will be a big threat to the spare CB.
The centre back can cope with Messi cos if he follows him, messi is not one on one with him, Messi will have his back to goal. And it leaves 3 at the back instead of 1, meaning that its 3 vs 2 in madrids favour. If a winger cuts in like villa likes to do, then the full back should move with him and become a more narrow back 3. Suicide is letting Messi drop deep and dictate. A Dm cannot be employed as then you are leaving Busquets free on the ball which cannot happen if you want possession.
quite honestly the most astonishing display of football I’ve seen played.
It looked so easy. (like the Froch – Abraham fight on the weekend.)
I never thought that a Mourinho team would get five. Of course we could talk about Ronaldo, Özil, etc. but I think Real never had control in the defence and Xabi Alonso and Khedira were not able to play dangerous passes.
It was a joy to watch, but strange too.
Definitely agree with you, mate. Do you know why I consider this as one of the best performances of best team ever? Because of the opponent: Real Madrid, one of the best (also the most expensive) European sides at the moment; and Jose Mourinho, arguably one of the most astute tacticians (especially DEFENSIVELY) in the world’s football history –and Barcelona beat them by five-goal margin!
However, I still wonder why Mourinho deployed a suicidally high defensive line. Considering he knocked Barca off the Champions League thanks to his deep, narrow, and highly disciplined defensive line. My guess was Mourinho really underestimated Guardiola and Barca as he had defeated his side with Inter last season.
I think the high-line came after they went behind? I remember noticing to begin with that Madrid sank into a back 5 when defending, with Ozil dropping deep into a dm position as well. You can sort of see it in the highlights for the first and second goals, when Pepe makes a poor decision to break out and try to intercept a pass, the assist for Xavi’s goal being threaded through the gap that he had left.
Once they had then lost the second they had to field an at least relatively high-line though, no? …just to press effectively against Barce, who would have been happy at that point to retain possession and probe patiently. They didn’t do a great job of pressing like, but I can see why he did.
What I couldn’t believe was that he persevered with Benezema. Madrid’s link-up play was horrific… they seemed to entirely lack a presence in the middle of the park which could cause problems for Barce’s incredibly organized pressing game… how they could have done with Ronaldo going central, dropping deep and trying to make things happen, especially considering how marginalized he was in the second half.
But yeah mate, that was some performance. And so many players from their youth set-up. And a manager chosen on merit and loyalty and not reputation. They seem to do everything right… from their ownership model to their and UNICEF agreement to they way that they play and the things they reward… it’s impossible not to fawn over them. Very happy I made time in my horrific study schedule to watch this and have a couple whiskeys. =)
Yeah it’s like watching Hollywood movie: the hero vs the villain. Barcelona is the club that seems too good to be true –promoting local talents, depending on its youth academy players instead of expensive lads on the transfer market, and always winning matches with style as they play an attacking and entertaining football to please football fans and pundits.
Real Madrid? Multi-million spending sprees are habit; and wasting players’ talent have become almost synonymous with the club. Makalele, Robben, Sneijder, Owen, McManaman, Fernando Hierro, Anelka, van der Vaart, are some of the world-class footballers who were treated with disrespectful manner by Madrid.
Cristiano Ronaldo should be the leading antagonist role, who has a habit of staring the opposing team members and their fans with cocky eyes and do diving everytime he gets a physical contact.
And one day the main antagonist named Jose Mourinho came to accompany Ronaldo and complete the rout. Winning at all cost (read: boring football) has become his major principle, and everybody knows he is the kind of manager who doesn’t care of the matter of the win as long as his team come out on top.
Therefore, it is understandable when lots of football fans and pundits enjoy seeing the faces of Mourinho’s, Valdano’s, or Ronaldo’s, turned red (as if they were about to foreclose on someone) when the scoreline showed: Barcelona 5 – Real Madrid 0. Everybody loves hero, and everybody hates villain; simply put.
€40M for David Villa
€30M for Javier Mascherano
Also I’d like to mention that it was Messi who did the diving last game and that Barcelona play anything but attacking football (boring slow paced possession football =/= all out attack)
You should have your calculation on the whole Real Madrid starting-11 combined, except Casillas:
Marcelo
Pepe
Carvalho
Ramos
Khedira
Xabi
Ozil
Di Maria
Ronaldo
Benzema
Oh and moreover that bulk of money from Villa and Mascherano is still even less than Ronaldo’s price tag alone…
I am a Barca fan, but you must realize that the good vs. evil comparison is a bit much. Barcelona are a great team with amazing players, and I salute them. However, Barcelona are far from perfect in every aspect. For example, they aren’t afraid to cheat when they need to (diving, etc.), and they possess an overly confident sense of entitlement. And we all know that they have no “plan B”.
But yes, Mourinho, Ronaldo and Valdano are villains.
“Hardly the beautiful game but it’s easy to see the virtues of Barca if you overlook the vices.”
And its also easy to assert idealized ‘all-or-nothing’, ‘black or white’ arguments. The world is shades of grey and I can think of few football teams that are as light a shade as Barcelona. Aaaaaaye.
this, is stupid.
Inter was ultradefensive in second leg in Barcelona and lost 1-0. Mourinho had many fear of Real Madrid supporters if played too defensively and lost.
Due to the unfair red card received for Mascherano’s theatrics.
I think that was Sergio Busquets, who had an unsporting look at the ref while rolling around the ground. He also tried to cripple Ronaldo in the Portugal-Spain international friendly prior to the game. I see Ronaldo is injured, probably as a result of that horrible tackle on him in the opening minutes of the game (can’t remember by whom but I’ll guess it was either Busquets or Alves). Any way you look at it, one of Pep’s instructions before the game along with the ‘intricate triangles’ and the ‘tiki-taka’ was ’scythe Ronaldo down early’. Hardly the beautiful game but it’s easy to see the virtues of Barca if you overlook the vices.
I just have to express my feeling how horrible of a football player I think Cristiano Ronaldo is. The match against Barca just confirmed me once more. Ronaldo does NOTHING for defence (which also applied to Benzema in that game), and correspondingly Real defended with 9 against 11. Maybe only 8, Oezil did not do too much there neither. Even being a (wing) striker, you simply have to run non-stop for 90 minutes when you play against Barca, well, if you want to defend, as outplaying is obviously not an option. (When Inter managed to beat Barca in CL last season, players like Etoo were defending their wing very disciplined for 90 minutes and it worked). Neither did Madrid press, in contrast to Barca, which would have helped enormously, remember netherlands-spain in wc final.
But coming back to the point. Ronaldo has a ridiculous attitude towards football. He thinks he is the star, and the rest of the team are his ball-servants. Whenever any referee decision is taken against him (which happens to any player at some point) he is basically stopping to play, and standing around to complain for the cameras while his 10 teammates try to save the situation. For god’s sake, is this behaviour part of his freaking contract? For example, although being less quick, Dirk Kuyt is so much more of a valuable player than Ronaldo…
And finally coming to his ‘quickness’: De facto, he is playing horribly slowly. Whenever he gets the ball on the flank he immediately goes into the next available 1on1 with a defender, doing his stooopid bycicle thing and practically delaying his team’s play for about 5 seconds before either losing the ball to a throw-in or finally managing a marginal pass to one of his frustrated team-mates (read: Higuain, Oezil, Marcelo) that had been in good positions to receive a pass 4 seconds earlier.
And then his ‘enormous’ goal count. Wow, 30-40 percent of his goals are penalties or free-kicks. And honestly, recently he is wasting free-kicks like they waste fries in McDonalds.
Ronaldo has screwed-up nearly each important match he was supposed to be a key figure in. 2008EC, Portugal-Germany: 2nd class defender Arne Friedrich was able to run as fast as Ronaldo and that was sufficient to nullify him. 2010WC: I dare say that Portugal lost against Spain because of his childish attitude of constantly complaining (regardless of wether it was justified or not).
I do not understand why Real Madrid keep him. Maybe for selling shirts. He’d be the first player I’d sell… Sorry, cheering more for Madrid last monday I needed to say all that
Beautifully put.
As posted earlier on the “preview”:
It all came down on the inability of the Real midfield to keep up with the Barça midfield.
Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets are always moving, always keeping the triangle… Madrid’s midfield was too stiff to have that kind of mobility….
With that they always created mismatches down the wings, were the side back and the winger always had the help of one of the midfielders….forming the 1-2s triangle that Barça is all about.
It’s a beautiful game the one Barça plays… and it’s fundamental football… creating triangles for quick 1-2s.
Besides their obvious tactical advantage, the triangles also have a psychological effect on Barca’s players, in the level of trust they create. Knowing that no matter how tight the space that one always has a safe outlet must be the primary reason for the incredible composure exhibited by Barca players. It takes extraordinary pressing of the Chilean variety to force Barca players into mistakes. It’s uncanny how unruffled they are when in possession, and how they almost always choose the simplest safest pass when they have more than one option.
I thought Real started to press late in the game, which resulted in several Barca possessions ending with Valdes forced to clear a long ball (which is a minor tactical victory against Barca). At that point, however, they were desperate and gave up possession with sloppy passes. Had Madrid cut the forward passing lanes earlier, forcing the ball back until it had to be cleared (and denying Barca any meaningful possession in Madrid’s half), they might have been able to stay in the game and had more opportunities to threaten.
But damn, it was fun watching Barca carve up the space.
“I thought Real started to press late in the game, which resulted in several Barca possessions ending with Valdes forced to clear a long ball (which is a minor tactical victory against Barca)”
– You’re right, but at 0-4 down it didn’t matter. Earlier in the game, Pique and Puyol worked really hard to open up good angles for Valdes to pass along the ground, but they didn’t try as hard and were happy enough to let Valdes punt the ball late in the game.
What I found amazing was that the Barca players rarely had just one option for a pass when it got tight, they usually had at least three options. I think that’s partly why it looks so easy – but the stamina, and concentration, and discipline involved in perpetually moving to find yourself some space for a team mate to pass to is amazing.
The other thing was their discipline in closing down from the front, or from everywhere actually. Once you saw how quickly Villa, Pedro and Messi were closing down the back four – Real never stood a chance.
There aren’t 11 players on the planet right now that you could assemble to give that side a proper match.
Obviously they’re favourite’s at the moment for the champions league. But Guardiola is expecting fatigue to hit the key players in January. And, as every season, they’re a little subject to injury crises.
I’m culé but I think your comment about there not being 11 players on the planet… is hyperbole. Barça has had several difficult matches this year even when they were playing well. Rubin Kazaan (again!), Valencia, Copenhagen and Villareal. The difference is those teams used proper tactics to take the game at Barça. Tactics that fit the players they had on the pitch and that they believed in. To me the big problem with Madrid is that Mourinho failed to prepare the team to play in Camp Nou. Playing a high defensive line with a defense made up of Ramos, Pepe, Carvahlo, Marcelo and Khedira was never going to work. Playing it with offensive players like Ronaldo, Benzema and Di Maria, who are unwilling or unable to apply pressure is asking for disaster. Playing it with a midfield that is simply incapable of competing with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets and Messi is simply suicide.
Bad tactics, poor selection, poor substitutions. This one is on Mourinho.
Firstly – Barca have been slowly building up to this game all season. They were absolutely fizzing from the start to the end. This is the team, effectively, that has won every available trophy, both national and international. Many of them have not had a proper rest since, what… summer 2007? Monday night showed what they can do when they’re up for it, fit and motivated.
But I don’t think Mourinho had much choice. He could’ve played Diarra from the start… ? He clearly doesn’t think the back four can play deep – they’ve been playing a high line all season. The first two goals were both scored because Marcelo lost his man at the back post, but we all knew he was the weak point to start with and I don’t think Arbeloa would’ve fared much better. He doesn’t have the squad. Benzema, Di Maria, Ozil, Khedira.. all looked lost.
But still, the pace, understanding, movement, finishing, patience of Barcelona…
Didn’t watch the game. But…
Would Ronaldo putting in more defensive work pressing the ball have made a difference? And was anyone putting pressure on Busquets?
Ronaldo always does very little defensively….
He doesn’t cover anyone and won’t track any runs made in his zone.
That’s one of the problems in his game and why he is always played in high central areas of the pitch while not in possession.
I’m not sure anything would have made a difference. All the Barca midfielders looked so comfortable when under pressure, often just spinning away and knocking short passes to each other. Madrid, on the other hand, could barely string together 5 passes all game.
I think it would have. If you go back and watch last year’s fixture in Camp Nou, Pelligrini had both Ronaldo and Higuaín pressing hard up high and it bothered Barça a lot. Proof is that they needed a spectacular goal by Ibra off the bench to win by the narrowest of margins. Indeed, all quality teams that try this tactic (Valencia, Villareal) are able to at least make a match of it.
Yaaaaaay. Finally a review. Now I can read it and go to sleep. Couldn’t watch the game tonight so I’m really interested in what you wrote.
You need to catch a replay or just download a game, IMO it was a a game which is above “Must See” level. Totally one-sided, but still, IMO one of the best performances of one team ever and it can’t be missed.
So true. After the 90 mins were up it felt as though I’d just witnessed football history being made.
They’ll be talking about this game, as a perfect demonstration of the Guardiola era Barcelona’s sheer brilliance, for a long time to come.
Perhaps the biggest tactical surprise from Pep was simply to put out his recent best 11, without compromise (besides Abidal, but that’s hardly a major change) and without any change of style.
One of important things to remark is the amount of players of Real Madrid that have no-experiencie in ‘high pressure’ games, i’m referring to Di Maria, Khedira, özil and Benzema, they never played ‘important’ matches, Khedira and özil played the semifinal vs Spain, but the pressure was not comparable. Di Maria seems to be very nervous.
However, the most important thing was the fact that Mourinho ,for first time in his career, has made tactical changes due to the opinion of newspapers and RM supporters, if JM would put Lass instead of özil, Barça wouldn’t have so many supremacy in midfield.
And regrettable the final action of Sergio Ramos… a ‘top-class’ player and world champion MUSTN’T act like he did it
A spectacular fact over Ramos. Is Real Madrid player in history with more red cards tied with Hierro (Hierro played almost 500 matches and Ramos minus of 150). He need a psychiatrist
A semi-final in the World Cup against the best team in the world isn’t an “important” match? By that standard, only this, the WC final and maybe the CL final are important matches. That’s ridiculous.
Haha seriously.
I think a World Cup is twice the pressure than a Clasico; plus, Kehdira and Ozil are germans I am positive that they havent grasp the meaning of the Clasico. But seriously, World Cup semi?!? By far more pressure, specially when the team (German) was the most favorite.
even if u put lass in for ozil, no ones tracking abidal, and if the three move across to pick him up, then he won’t be pressed when he’s in possession in a deeper possession – both problems
I didn’t see Dani Alves in the opponent’s half as often as he usually is. Aside from the times Barcelona switched to a three man defense, would you say that he was more conservative than is typical?
He was definitely more conservative. That made it look as if he wasn’t as engaged in the game as usually. He wasn’t shining. Tonight, the game was played in the centre of the pitch, not on the right side of it, like we had seen in recent Barça matches.
Agreed. It shows he has a lot of discipline in his positioning and can keep the shape as well. When he did get forward he still contributed.
Alves seemed to push high on the right, hugging the line which I think forced Real to play very wide defensively. This left the middle of the pitch open which favored Barcelona’s midfield dominance.
true mourinho got his selection wrong so did his tactics. holding a high defensive line was a crucial mistake even wen they went 2 nil down…second the use of di mari on dani alves side was an obvious choice becoz madrid often try to play cross field diagnal balls to him to initiate a counter attack…so with dani alves know to push up it was sound judgement.
the pressing in midfield was poor at tyms didnt exist at all becoz there was no unity. suprisingly mou did not seem to ensure that his new tactical briefs after half tym were carried out as he did not bother to get off the bench.
Total dominance. I failed in my view of Mourinho tactics. In my opinion, he played too much playes that don’t play defence well. Di Maria, Ronaldo, Benzema, Ozil? They are good in going forward but bad in defensive tasks.
Playing higher line against Messi, Pedro, Villa????
Simply no, that can’t work. Also, Iniesta an Messi was between the lines, and with run of Xavi as third, there was one man free. Iniesta was free few times little to the left.
Guardiola system with 4 1 2 1 2(wide) are very good this season.
Abidal and Alves forced Di Maria and Ronaldo deep into their half and I am surprised that Mourinho didn’t let them more time and space in order to close the middle better. 4 vs 3 in the middle was the key in my opinion. And with creativity of those 4, even Busquets, Barca was outstanding.
Also, as you mentioned, Barcelona played some sorth of zonal pressing at the beginning, leting the centre backs free and pressing on Alonso, Khedira and others.
And last thing, Barcelona are side of players who played ˝tons˝ of matches like this, while Real Madrid has a few ˝kids˝ for this match.
And yes, when Iniesta plays its big difference
The change between Pique and Puyol, don’t you think it’s because Guardiola might have wanted Pique to be the last man in case Ronaldo got past Puyol? Pique is better in 1 on 1 situations, and i think more reliable than Puyol in “extreme” moments…
BTW, the page is excellent and i’ve learned a lot
Yeah that’s a fair point, quite possible.
I think that’s a good point. Pique showed in last years games that he is one of the few who can hold up Ronaldo. Also Pique is quicker to cover being the last man.
Hmm. From what I’ve seen Puyon is a better “stopper” – in getting close to his man, competing for the ball with his ability, aggression and will to win. While Pique is a better “sweeper” in that he has better positioning and picks up the second ball that results from Puyol’s stopping. Ie the balls recocheting from Puyols tackles, or forced passes from the player Puyol is hustling.
Pique then picks up this loose or second ball, and can play it out of defence.
Its a bit similar to how Vidic and Ferdinand work together in Man U. Ferdinand often picking up and intercepting balls resulting from Vidic’s hard work.
Tends to make the “sweeper” look good in that it seems that they often end up with the ball and can play it out of defence, while the “stopper” does a lot of the hustling. The “stopper” can also sometimes look somewhat out of position as he has to move quickly to close down the opposition player and win the ball, and risks being beaten by the forward as he moves quickly towards the ball. This “poor positioning” has often by noted by Puyol’s critics, but it is only a result of his “stopping” role.
Puyol was obviously considered by Guardiola as the better player to stop Ronaldo. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been sent to track him around the pitch. Although Pique also seems to have the upper hand one-on-one vs Ronaldo.
The amazing thing I thought during the game was that both as a collective, and player-for-player, Barca just looked far superior. Clearly the two are mutually reinforcing (collective play and individual play). But wow! What a performance! From the evidence solely of that game. There wasn’t a single RM player that I would rather have had in the Barca line-up. An exceptional statement considering the talent at RM.
Matias, i believe you’re wrong and ZM is right.
Guardiola likes having Puyol mark Ronaldo and not Pique.
if you remenber in 2009 CL final it was Puyol who was chosen to mark Ronaldo who started in a lone striker role, and last year in the Bernabeu “Classico” puyol started at right back to defend against him and switched to left back when Ronaldo was moved right by Pellegrini.
An interesting take for Real would be to move Ozil forward and add another midfielder…. In a tactic similar to the one used by Barça… with no CF.
But now all we can do is wonder.
Yes. If they “sacrificed” Benzema for a ball winning player they could’ve been more secure in their own half, while not losing much in other areas.
The only way they would’ve scored would’ve been with counter attacks anyway and a center forward is not really necessary for those to be effective.
The April fixture has always been more interesting to me, only because Mou has enough time to figure out which players he can go to war with, and which ones couldn’t. Playing without a real ball winner was a miscalculation on his part, but make no mistake, that will not happen come next spring. I will still back Madrid to win in April.
taking bets? cos guardiola has the same amount of time to prepare as moumou. moumou knew what was coming — barca played as they always do — and he still didnt get it right… or maybe it was beyond his control…a few more months wont change it. barca will need to have an off night to lose against this madrid.
“Still, if Mourinho does one thing well, it is learning lessons from defeats. He has never been on the end of a defeat like this, but one year and five days ago, his Inter side were completely outplayed by Barcelona at the Nou Camp, losing 2-0 and getting passed off the pitch in a manner similar to tonight. By the time the two sides contested the semi-final in late April, however, Mourinho had worked out how to beat Barcelona, and Inter won the tie.”
Ooga aga, that’s the best thing Mourinho excels at. He’s really not that great at his first few months, let alone having many new Real Madrid players.
He will take a lot of time, and in the second half of the season they will be much, much better.
Pep is comfortable with his players and he’s not a man that changes his tactics much. He won’t change his team much. The only surprising match tactically I’ve seen from Barca under Pep was when they fielded 5 players in midfield last year when they won 2-0, otherwise he usually sticks to his same starting XI and tactics no matter what the opponent.
It will take more time for Mou to impose his will on this team, they haven’t had many tough games this season. We will see how they fare in the months leading up to the next derby game when they have to play the Villareal’s and Valencia’s.
I am astounded at how bad the Real midfielders and defenders played. I don’t think they are going to win anything this year if they put up performances like this. They don’t play as a team and are over-reliant on Ronaldo, Higuain, Ozil, and Di Maria. Surely Mourinho has a lot of work left to do with this team. This coming from a Real Madrid fanatic. How could they let Barca dominate them like that???
Real should have played like this
———-Benzema———–
—————–Ronaldo—-
marcelo——-Khedira——-
——–Alonso————–
———–Diarra———–
Arbeloa-Carvalho-Pepe–Ramos
Or simply using Ronaldo as a lone forward
———Ronaldo———–
—————————
Marcelo——Khedira-DiMaria
——–Alonso————-
———–Diarra———-
Arbeloa-Carvalho-Pepe-Ramos
Marcelo tracking Alves and Di Maria drifting inside so get a numerical advantage in the center of the pitch
To the light of things I like your suggestions, more the second than the first one. Now, considering the performance of last night formation I would probably prefer any other randomly assembled XI.
It is true that a team being outplayed by a high quality side often look worse that it really is but Madrid’s display yesterday was beyond reason, with several players having their season (if not career) lowest. This collective downfall could not be coincidence and I would argue that even if partially, it is far from fully explained by Barca excelling on the pitch in this particular match. Certainly, the most dreadful show by any team visiting Camp Nou so far this year.
Probably one of the best performances I will ever watch and it’s about time, as my memory is struggling to remember previous “La Manita” at Camp Nout.
A few points/questions:
1) Despite their incredible technical ability, the thinh which yet again impressed me the most about Barca players was their workrate. You don’t see so highly skilled players working so damm hard to get the ball back anyone else. It’s one of the biggest differences between them and Real (outside of huge difference in players understanding to each other and system, which is notoriously changing in Madrid) – Real usually has to defend having Ronaldo as passenger, and when tonight Benzema played instead of Higuain they had to buy an additional ticket for him to sit and observe.
2) What central defenders should do when playing against opposition which is no using CF? Stepping into midfield battle? Concentrate on picking up runners from midfield? I am really not sure about that, but I’m wondering if it would have more sense to play one DM as CB in this kind of situation, as he would offer more versatility in adjusting to defensive needs on his team. I think Roberticus recently posted a similar point quoting Bielsa about reasoning for using a few natural DMs, just in different positions to DM as well.
3) Last season it was the first time Real fans were hoping that Marcelo is good enough defensively. But they went to play Sevill away and Jesus Navas destroyed him. This season under Mourinho Marcelo once again was supposed to improve defensively – after today I’m not sure if he will progress enough ever, to be used as a full back in games like that. Probably he should do better to stop 1st goal and definitely it was criminal for him to allow Pedro to sneak in and score.
I also noticed that the centrea backs of real madrid were often just standing in space with no one to mark while all barca players would be running abou a few metres in front of them, meaning oodles of time and space were affroded to barcelona. From the first 10 minutes of the match it was clear if this didn’ somewhow change and if the centre-backs weren’t given more to do in terms of marking Barca would easily win this match. Marcelo played way too narrow, I can’t count the number of times barca just sent a simple ball to the side affording whoever was there an easy run to the byline. I don’t think Mourinho was trying his hardest to win, maybe the early goal upset his plans but he seemed strangely passive. Maybe he was observing or something, I dunno.
Marcelo and Sergio Ramos both put in poor performances. They were caught out by players dribbling at them and drifting in beinhd them.
Also, from tactical standpoint I’m fascinated (and quite happy, as a I hate tactical stereotypes) by how well a team can play not using anyone as a centre forward. This Barca’s attacking version of 4-6-0 is working extremely well and we’ll yet to see an opponent who would find a way of stopping that.
Good point. I think it works so well because any of the 6 attacking players (plus Alves) can make a dash toward the opposition goal and get played a killer through-ball. It’s how Barca score a significant percentage of their goals. The ‘forwards’ (Villa/Messi) draw defenders out and the midfield (Messi/Iniesta/Pedro/Alves) surge into space. Of course the names are interchangeable here and that’s what makes this team so dangerous, they have so many dangerous players.
And of course their passing game is something to marvel at.
Messi as a false nine is so devastating. He pulled three players out of position, Xabi, Pepe and Carvalho, and each and everyone of the goals resulted from a barca player slipping into the gap besides the full back. The only apparent way to defend against this Barca side is to have 11 men behind the ball and plugging the gaps but such a defensive tactic would get Mourinho sacked. Maybe it’s time managers utilize a sweeper agains Barca?
It’s quite an intriguing situation.
The obvious solution would be to advance one of the CBs and go for a 3 man defense…
But if that happened Messi would move forward and create the mismatch of the 4-3-3 vs the 3 man defense….
Adding the sweeper is the less obvious solution because you’re loosing another man in midfield and would be even more overpowered.
If Messi would move forward (for example going to the right side, with Villa going to centre and Pedro to the left) opposite’s team should move back from 3 man defence to 4. I can see it being theoretically possible with Carvalho-Pepe partnership – Carvalho is smart enough to organize defence, as well as adjusting to opposition tactical changes, and Pepe has pretty big experience playing as DM (doing that for Portugal NT). But definitely Real would need a bigger and better defensively player as CB/LB than Marcelo and I’m not sure if even Arbeloa would fit that bill as well, that’s why Abidal is such a perfect player for current Barcelona team, when they constantly switching between 3 and 4 man defence.
Playing a true sweeper (not a center half, a sweeper plays behind the back line) is essentially begging for Villa to destroy you, as you would play him onside pretty much every time. I think the ideal system for stopping Barca is Chelsea’s (ironic, as the three holders in midfield lacks creativity, it defensively counters elite sides very well). Madrid’s front three were all isolated, which the Christmas tree fixes, but they did no defensive work anyway, so the Mourinho’s system shares the primary weakness of the Christmas tree, vulnerability to attacking fullbacks. You have to pick your poison vs Barca, and better to leave Abidal free than Iniesta or Messi. Busquets was the lone holder for the entire game and he was comfortable throughout. That is unacceptable for an elite side.
Yeah, but Lampard sooner or later will be back for Chelsea, so they won’t be able to use 3DMs anymore, as he is clearly undroppable. Of course they can play narrow diamond in middle, which would allow them to keep 3DMs, but they would have to sacrifice Anelka or Malouda on the bench.
The only team which probably will keep using 3DMs every time they are playing any decent opposition is Manchester City, but their fullbacks are so poor defensively, that stopping (if it would happened) threats from the middle would mean almost nothing.
Wow, just watched the highlights of this game!
Very impressed by David Villa, he’s one of my favourite players and happy to see him combine excellently with Messi for his 2 goals.
then you didn’t see the game. it needed to be watched in its entirety to be appreciated. If you want a microcosm try the 64-70th minute, where Barca held the ball like no one i’ve ever seen.
Correct… And then the 70-75th minute, as a result of the 64-70th! Ending with 3 Real Madrid yellow cards within 3 minutes!
or the 51st to 59th, when Messi sent Xavi through on goal (which he squandered) then Villa twice (which he didn’t). way too much time to deliver, but still managed inch perfect passes all three times.
Barca´s opponents “just” need better ball control… yeah I know that is impossible
This barca team is truly sensational, barca fans should make the most of this because a team this good wont come along again for a long, long time. They are incredible individually and will always have the advantage over an opponent because they have worked together for so long and have built up an amazing understanding as a team that cannot be coached tactically. Mourinho could have done a hell of a lot more to stop them tonight, but they are a very special team who will be remembered for years and years to come.
loved the game! perfect display of beautiful football! two things
1) Marcello is the sole responsible party for the first two goals. Watch Pedro’s goal! Marcello is just jogging back as he’s watching the ball. Totally oblivious to Pedro’s run.
2) Xavi HAS TO win the Ballon d’or! He’s such a stud in the midfield. As good as Messi if he doesn’t have Xavi sitting in the middle of the pitch to distribute he doesn’t have that big of an impact (e.g.: having to drop deep for Argentina during the WC)
did nobody have an issue with sergio ramos and his inability to defend against david villa?
Yes, he didn’t get tight even when Villa was narrow and he got beat almost every time in a one on one situation.
well spotted, but not a suprise as Ramos can be a very naive defender. Not to say hes great on the ball, but not a great defender at all. Same to Marcelo.
Mou made 2 mistakes today.. 1)sticking to his 4231 with ozil as an attacking central midfielder, not just cuz he doesn’t defend well, but even in an attacked he would be well covered by busquets.. 2)deploying a high defensive line and an offside game against the trio of villa, messi, and pedro was suicidal..
so what could he have done?.. well, how about this:
1.arbeloa starts on the left to mark pedro and track him back in the penalty box
2. ramos plays on the right but slightly higher up to track inesta
3. pepe as the right sided central defender to mark villa and track him even when he drift to the touchline down the left
4. Lassa as an anchor man to mark messi’s false nine role
5. carvalho to sit back centrally to cover lassa, pepe, or arbeloa
6. khedira to mar xavi at the center of the pitch tracking him down wherever he goes (deep into the penatly box or higher up the pitch)
7. xabi as a play maker and a pivot in the mid field for starting attacks or simply holding play
8. marcelo as a left midfielder mainly to track alves forward runs but also to venture forward (as he prefers) and join attacks even cutting inside from the left flank
9. ronaldo as an inside forward on the right side, he’d sure keep abidal and 1 of the central backs occupied
10.benzema at a lone striker, moving into channels when needed (as he also prefers)
defensively that would put pressure on barca in the midfield not allowing them to play their possession game.. and even if they do, they will have to involve busquets and the central back into the build up, which means they r further away from casillas.. it would mean they have carvalho on zonal marking covering any defensive slips and xabi free in the midfield to build up attacks or at least keep possession for as long as needed..
it’s a defensive lineup but given real’s ability to counter attack, and maybe by half time subing marcelo for di maria, it would have giving real madrid a shot against a very well organized barca who rely on ball possession and mid field domination..
what do u think?
1. Last clasico, Arbeloa was in charged of Pedro and he got smoked and eventually got a 2-0 lost. But it would’ve been a better option than Marcelo.
2. Dont know about this because Iniesta mostly ran in the middle, and doing so it would allow villa to be free.
7. Xabi’s role was the same, however, he was swarn by 2 to 3 barca players.
These are the two obvious points that i can make but really, it’s pretty hard to play against a side that is sooooooooooooo fluid in the final third and 100% sync’ed. Man marking could’ve been suicidal because the way Barca players moved, would’ve open tons of space.
1 and 2. Mourinho expected Real to be able to take the game to Barcelona equally, and Real rely alot on their full backs to carry the ball out quickly. Marcelo is better than Arbeloa in doing this and I don’t really think Arbeloa might be that much better. Iniesta plays left-center so if Ramos follows he won’t be in position to bring the ball out, and Real’s right flank would be empty.
3,4,5. Arbeloa on Pedro, Pepe on Villa, Diarra on Messi, and Carvalho covering? If Pedro and Villa stretches the defense wide, then beats their marker by pace or dribbling, its a 1v1 against Casillas right away, especially if Messi moves to get both Diarra and Carvalho picking him up.
6 and 7. Who’s going to pick up Busquets?
Basically, Mourinho could easily have came up with one of his plane-parking defense (not saying that he would have won), but chose not to do so, playing his usual team with its defensively weak players as he thought that he’ll be able to play against Barca as an equal.
“The first goal was slightly unfortunate from Real’s point of view”
After reading this line (and the associated paragraph for that matter) several times I am still unsure about what is meant. “Unfortunate” as in ruining Morinho’s game plan? Absolutely. “Unfortunate” as in unlucky / undeserved? Absolutely not. Messi had almost scored a couple of minutes before when his chip and he was about an inch off there. Barcelona were simply dominant from the start.
Tactically, may I suggest to call Barca’s formation today a 3-7-0 (though it may have looked like a 4-7-5 to poor RM?)
ZM, I too was going to ask you this. What is unfortunate about this. It was typical of Barca. A good pass from Messi to Iniesta who just forwarded a typical ball to the box. Just that instead of Villa or Pedro it happened to be Xavi. Except the second and fifth gall,the three other galls had Barca stamp on it.
Well, “slightly fortunate” in that the ball rebounded off Xavi perfectly for him cushion it into the net – it was hardly a deliberate piece of control!
Is that true? I was watching online (and later in posted videos), so the resolution/frame rate wasn’t clear enough to tell. But it looked like Xavi was well aware the pass was slightly behind him, even with the Marcelo deflection, and he left his leg stretched backwards to gather the ball. I’m not saying his intention was to flick a ball over his head, but that he was intentionally trying to gather the ball, and once he made contact, his quick reflexes were able to turn it into a gem of control.
I watched this again now in hi-def slo-mo. Regardless of the luck involved (on where Marcelo’s deflection went), Xavi’s awareness and control were brilliant. Here’s the sequence.
1. Xavi makes his sprint, long stride, looking over his left shoulder.
2. Iniesta releases the pass. Its trajectory is slightly behind Xavi.
3. Xavi shortens his stride and extends his right leg back to receive the ball.
4. Marcelo dives in and deflects the pass, slightly up and angled slightly more towards the goal than before.
5. The ball hits Xavi in the butt instead of on his outstretched leg.
6. Knowing the ball has hit him and not seeing it on his left side where he is looking, Xavi looks over his right shoulder and immediately spots the ball.
7. He puts on the brakes and aligns his body so the ball lands on his right foot for a soft volley.
The “fortunate” part is actually that Iniesta was slightly off target and allowed Marcelo to get the deflection. Had Iniesta put the ball on Xavi, Casillas would have had a much better go at blocking a more predictable direct shot.
I wouldn’t be so sure, if I were you!
Barca simply outplayed Madrid in every area of the pitch tonight. When this Barca team hits this sort of form not a team in the world can stop them.
Messi was outstanding tonight in his general play, his movement off the ball and just his overall contribution yet it still looked like he could have stepped it up another gear had he needed to. Villa showed what he can do given space and Pedro was quietly impressive as usual with both players doing the donkey work for the team from the front. The midfield trio made the Madrid midfielders look like Sunday league players and the back 4 didnt look threatened really at any point in the game. Barca were a joy to watch tonight and probably should have knocked a few more past Casillas.
Another great article. Looking at your verdict of last year’s 3-1 defeat a the San Siro, I’m struck by how your conclusion of withdrawing Zlatan for a “smaller, quicker forward.” Absolutely correct, and this is the glamorous result us Barcelona fans thought could have been possible. Barcelona are almost fortunate to “discover” that Villa is best inverted on the left, since Messi appears to be most devastating in this fixture as a false-nine.
That said, it seems odd: both Mourinho squads played (mostly) a 4-2-3-1; however, the results were night and day. Iniesta drifting left (something Keita failed to do) surely helped subdue Ramos and Villa’s width (which the announcers were bemoaning the whole first half) was just as effective. Mourinho might have been better to play a 4-3-2-1, but those holes were going to always be exploited. Beautiful performance.
That’s a great point actually, comparing the presence of three small/quick players here with the use of Ibra in that game.
What a game! 5-0! I never would have guessed that and I’m a culé! In any case, what struck me most about Real Meh was their complete lack of pressing in the first half from the middle of the pitch. Even into their defensive third it was relatively tame. Was El Mou playing a similar plan as he did with Inter last year, figuring on allowing Barça the ball for 2/3’s of the pitch? Disaster for them. Visca Barça!!!
I think if Mourinho had confidence in Diarra, he would have selected him ahead of Ozïl or Benzema. But I don’t think he does (he didn’t when they were at Chelsea, and I haven’t seen evidence of trust in the past four months either). We know Jose prefers to build his teams on a defensive anchor (Costinha at Porto; most famously, Makelele at Chelsea; and Cambiasso at Inter), so I’d say it’s inevitable he will look to add a Makelele-type to his Madrid XI at some point. He just doesn’t have the player for the job in his squad at the moment (in his opinion). I suspect in January (or next summer) that will be his priority, and the Diarras will both be sold. As much as Madrid missed a defensive midfielder to protect their defence in this match, I don’t honestly believe Lass would have made the slightest difference in the first half. In theory, yes, but in reality, I don’t think he has the quality: Barca would have passed it around him as easily as they did Ozïl, Xabi and Khedira, and his tenacity alone wouldn’t have been enough to stop Messi.
I think mourinho was looking for a goal or two and then bring Diarra to contend the goals.
That was perhaps the most incredible performance I’ve ever seen.
It struck me that part of what makes Barca tick is how comfortable their central defenders are on the ball. When Busquets is under pressure, he simply looks to Pique (he usually looks right) who is fully trusted to distribute the ball almost as well as Busquets would.
Does anyone know how many passes Barca had? I’d love to see some sort of chalkboard for the match but don’t know where I could find one.
it was 600+. xavi alone had over 100.
Total 684 passes attempted by the Barcelona and 89% completed, in total 608.76 balls found their Blaugrana target.
Madrid just managed a completion rate of 74% – almost three in four – of 331 passes, meaning that 224.94 reached a white shirt.
In total Barcelona held just over two thirds of possession at 67% to 33%, while they had 15 attempted shots to Real Madrid’s 5.
WOW, ……thats all i can say, wow,….not even a contest this, what a monumental waste of paper Marca indulged in trying to hype up Madrid as some sort of “equal” to this team. Barca have no equal, they will only ever beat themselves due to injuries to key players or individual mistakes…..
A couple of points in watching the game, Ozil was completely ineffective on both sides of the ball, RM was unable to get the ball to him to start the attack. Pique’s positioning may have been more to cutoff this outlet to attack, win the ball and initiate attacks. He appeared to be effective in reading the passes from deep in the midfield toward Ozil. This may have contributed to his positioning as much as anything. Pique won the ball and initiated many attacks as he is important as the beginning of the Barça attack, with long sweeping balls to switch the field.
RM’s doubling on Messi limited his direct attacks, but ended up opening up acres of space for midfielders and forwards. The extra space led to the first two goals. Nonetheless Messi had a great game without scoring, if had hit that first goal, it would have been absolutely legendary.
Lastly, Barça won the mind game and Mourinho’s response should be interesting. He has his work cut out for him in shaping the mentality of his side as they did not look like winners today. Getting farther in the Champions league is key, how will they respond to this crushing defeat.
This is the same Barcelona that played against Mourinho’s inter, the only difference: a slight change in their formation and Villa instead of Ibrahimovic. The result: pure disaster for Mourinho.
While I certainly didn’t expect Barcelona to trash and humiliate Real Madrid, I did expect them to win without many trouble. Let’s be honest, Real Madrid is not as great as it seems. We saw in their game against Milan in San Siro that they can defeat smaller squads easily, but against a bigger squad they aren’t that comfortable. Milan was tracking 1-0 against Real and managed to turn the tables around. And, at the end, Real managed to equalize. Of course, Milan was lucky in that game too (Real had some scoring opportunities sent to waste)… but the mere fact that Inzagui’s entrance in the game netted two goals for Milan was really telling about this Real Madrid squad and their weaknesses. And, honestly, Allegri is just a good manager, but not great (for some reason, Milan fans think that Allegri is a tactical demigod or something).
So, if an aging Milan with a good coach (but not really great) could manage to turn the game around Madrid… why wouldn’t Barcelona be able to defeat Madrid in their own stadium?
Another thing to mention is that it was Ozil, Khedira and Alonso against Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets. Ozil and Khedira played against Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets in the last world cup. What happened? They got totally erased by the spanish squad. Same thing happened here. Only that Alonso was in their side, but honestly, Alonso was the weakest link in Spain’s midfield.
And, a little off topic: This is a factor that doesn’t get mentioned a lot, but (in the last Champions) maybe Inter also won 3-1 against Barcelona because Barcelona’s squad had to go by bus to Milan? Of course, that’s not the only factor, but traveling by bus is perhaps a factor that played in favor of Inter that last time?
OK, no. Iniesta and Abidal were also differences.
Germany was missing Thomas Muller in that game. I’d rather have him than Christiano Ronaldo in terms of ball possession, movement off the ball, work rate and defense.
I would rather have Muller than Ronaldo, period.
for this game yes, but for the rest of the season? get real.
What is it with this website and overanalytical pundits?
This is what the game came down to: Barca came fired up, ready to play with loads of confidence. Real expected a slow start and were caught off guard. Barca played their game and moved the ball faster than ever before. Real’s midfielders’ immobility was finally exploited and were always 2 steps behind (for the first time, you really saw how those players are not bad for La Liga).
Dude, it’s a website unabashedly about tactics! Without “overanalyzations,” there would be no purpose to it!
This is absolutely brilliant!
I’m sure Real started completely short of confidence having lead the table and scored more goals. They had also expected a slow start since Barca has always started slowly in an El Clasico. Oh wait…
Why were they “always 2 steps behind”? Must be because Real’s players were so immobile that they grew roots and dug themselves into the ground. Definitely not anything related to being consistently outnumbered in key areas through movement and overloading.
I have a feeling this is parody and if it is brilliant.
Is this a wind-up?
No, I am not trying to wind anyone up nor I am creating a parody. I recognize this is a tactics website and I am not overlooking that element. But, I would be suprised if more than half these people actually watched Barcelona and Real during the season, because if they did, they would realize both teams PLAYED VIRTUALLY THE EXACT SAME GAME as they usually do! (exception of Di Maria and Ronaldo)
I read 5-6 blogs about tactics every day but some games are just not about this aspect – even you ZM say “First things first – this wasn’t an inherently ‘tactical’ victory.” Its clear so many of these Alan Shearer-like pundits have never actually been close to a coaching role. Barca brought their A++ game and Real were caught off guard. Simple as that. You can microanalyze every little detail, but most of it is useless. Real were outplayed.
It’s not really ‘useless’ if people are interested in reading it, and discussing it, which they clearly are.
There was more to it than just “one team came out fired up”. Mourinho did not employ his normal big game tactics, as that high defensive line was a shocker for pretty much everybody.
>Barca played their game and moved the ball faster than ever before.
Not at all. Anyone who watched the first ten minutes of the CL Final against Man U should remember that Barca were faced with manic pressing and responded by showing another gear to their passing game, leaving their opponents demoralized. In the league they play at a pretty quick pace, but when a great team like Real pushes them, Barca can play even faster. And this was not the first time we’ve see that.
Their training sessions must be _crazy_.
I’m surprised not many people here have mentioned what a mare of a game Sergio Ramos had today. He was caught out of position and left his mark too many times for my liking.
I think his suspension may just be a blessing in disguise for Real Madrid.
You can see that Mou is happy to drop Ramos as he has brought in Arbeloa in a few recent games. He does get caught out and he’s not great one on one. porbably better as a centre back when he removes the mistakes from his game. Not trusted there yet.
He did have a stinker today.
I’m gonna watch this match again with MC Hammer’s “U Can’t Touch This” on infinite loop.
That song really sums it up.
Anyone else have a look at Madrid and Barca’s upcoming fixtures? I think Madrid has Valencia, Sevilla and possibly Villareal, good teams that Barca have beaten. Barca have a easier end of year, with the Barca derby and some kther decent teams.
If they don’t get their heads up soon, Madrid could be on a slippery slope…
Indeed. Madird need to show they can bounce back, especially seeing how hard a game Villareal gave Barca.
The second goal conceded by Real was when ramos tucked inside while marking his man and the ball out wide found Villa in to much space not to set it up for someone (which is what inadvertently happened) or score himself.Actually the right winger should be tracking Villa but since Cristiano was playing so high up it was almost waiting to happen.
Villa was Ramos’s man. Cristiano was not to blame for that goal.
He wasnt to blame but it cant exactly hurt to have your wingers track back. If im not mistaken i repeatedly spotted Messi giving Dani Alves a hand at right back at any point he switched to the right wing during the game. Just because your a good player, that doesnt give you an excuse to be lazy
I knew the moment Jose said he won’t change the lineup that he doesn’t bother on winning this. He doesn’t need to.
What do you mean he doesnt need to? La Liga was decided last year because Barca won the two Clasicos
But it is crystal clear tht Mourinho wasn’t expecting a win at the Camp Nou. He refused to play his plan B despite being 2-0 down at half time, which is most untypical of him
As has been mentioned above Real have some tricky games coming up. If they win those, and recover from this defeat then I’d make them favourite for the league. When you have a league with only 1 other strong side I’d take Mourinho to pick up more wins then Barcelona (unfortunately). Real wont drop as many points against the rest. Sad but true.
The problem is: if Barça and Real end the season with equal points, the results of the matches between them are decisive. So losing the first match by 0:5 is a serious blow. No matter what José wants everybody make believe.
He doesn’t need to? Dude, what are you talking about… They lost the lead thanks to this game and now they have to defeat Barcelona at the Bernabeu… or hope for a miracle and wait for a Barcelona defeat while not being defeated themselves…
Can someone explain to me why Barcelona presses so much rather than just defend within their own half and regain possession by stopping the opponent’s attack there? The team is so good at attacking, I just don’t understand why they choose to press so hard. Frankly, I find it makes the games boring to watch. Yeah, the goals were very nice. But it’s just boring in between those goals to watch Barcelona make plenty of backpasses to their defence and Valdes. It’s kind of annoying to watch as a neutral. I enjoy watching a football game like a chess match, where each team takes turns working the ball down the field and having an attempt on goal, and if they lose possession, the other starts the process.
Am I the only one who finds it kind of boring to watch this team play some times, aside from the actual goals? No arguments, it is an effective way to control the match and win, but it doesn’t make for a particularly enthralling entertainment, in my opinion.
I’m kind of yearning for an old fashioned Manchester Utd vs Arsenal match up from 2002-2004. Those were some of the most entertaining matches I’ve ever watched. I only started watching football in 2002 so, this decade is all I have experienced.
Jordan, expect a glut of replies saying that Barca are the most entertaining team most people have ever seen. But if you like football that’s like a chess match, get some archive videos of European football in the early 90s before the backpass rule was introduced. You’ll get lovely 20 minute chunks where Eintracht Frankfurt pass the ball between the back 4 and goalkeeper again, and again, and again…..
Well, but that Frankfurt team also gave us the great goal by Jay Jay Okocha against Oliver Kahn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjkYmTKHq0g
ok, go watch those games, we’ll watch a team that lusts after the ball, that dies to own it
The reason Barcelona presses so much is because they just want the possession of the ball as quickly as they can.
I remember one Guardiola quote of something like this:
“Without the ball, we are a horrible team. We need the ball, so we pressed high up the pitch to win the ball back early.”
I don’t actually believe that.
The Barcelona of 2005-2006 that won back to back La Liga and a Champions League, just as successful as this current team, was not a high pressing team. They played more conservative in their approach, and they manhandled Madrid 3-0 at the Bernabeu and Ronaldinho got applause from Madridistas.
I think it is more like, Guardiola is trying to accomplish as coach what he always wanted to do as a player on the Barca Dream Team of early 90s, except that dynasty was cut short when Capello’s Milan destroyed Cruyff’s Barca 4-0 in CL Final.
Barcelona is successful because they take promising 10 year old Catalan boys that grow up wearing Barca jerseys and watching Barca games and they pluck them and put them into La Masia where they are taught 3 things:
1. Cruyff is a god and we owe him everything.
2. Barcelona will always try to play possession/total football
3. You must have a seething hatred of Madrid, competitiveness is not enough.
These players all grow up together, live in dormitories together and they grew up (Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Messi) in era (early 2000s) when Madrid was not only their sworn enemy, but was winning tons, two la ligas and two champions leagues between 2000-2004.
When Barca’s team disintegrated in 2006-2007 and Madrid came back for a couple seasons, they were now first team players and they just hated Madrid’s success. You can see the seething hatred on their faces last night even when they are winning. Look at Valdes when they scored the fourth goal, he had this huge smirk on his face and this semi-evil grin, not because they were winning, Barca wins all the time, it was because he wanted to destroy Madrid so much.
Barcelona has been transformed into a team of brainwashed Catalans who want nothing more than to destroy Real Madrid. This is why Pep had a mass-exodus of non-Catalan when he took over, he gets rid of Ronaldinho, Deco, and Edmilson. He signs Ibra, one of the greatest forwards in the world and then gets rid of him after one season? He is breeding a machine of Catalanism that stands for everything against Madrid.
Moreso than Messi, the true root of Barca’s devastation against Madrid these past two years has been the anger. Anger will only make you stronger.
Even if that is true, Madrid (the organization) kind of deserve it. It’s obvious Barca does _not_ hate the individual players themselves. Pep and Raul are great friends. Perez remarked that coming to Camp Nou to watch El Clasico with Rosell was like “being at home”.
The problem is that Madrid player’s get this bad rap but they don’t really hate Barca.
You have a mix of Spaniards, Argentines, Brazilians, Germans, and Portuguese in the starting XI of Madrid. They are there to try and win trophies, I actually think Madrid is much less of a political representation today than they were before the 1990s. If anything, what Madrid represents today is money and power.
Barca starting XI is mostly Catalan, Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Puyol, Busquets, Pedro and Valdes are all catalan. This is a problem. They are united by something far more powerful than money, by a common background and political ideology and culture. This is the root of their devastation on the football world. IMO, Football teams should have rules against stacking teams with players from one country. You should need to have at least half your starting XI be from outisde your own country. In a way, I am for the opposite of the currently proposed 6+5 rule. Where, 5 players MUST be foreign.
I think it is only for the good of football that cultural and political ideologies should be purged from the sport in the 21st century.
Pedro and Iniesta aren’t Catalan by the way.
Ridiculous argument anyhow; if this “common background and political ideology and culture” results in “devastation in the football world”, I’m going to go assemble myself a group of footballers from the same commune and teach them to be political extremists. Watch me win the Champions League in 10 years time when all these kids grow up.
“Football teams should have rules against stacking teams with players from one country.” Well I suppose all National teams should be disbanded then. Except maybe for the French National Team.
If they really hated Madrid so much they would have killed them in their sleep while staying together in South Africa then, playing for Spain. Oh the absolute agony and anger that Xavi must be feeling whenever he makes a pass to Xabi or when Puyol, Pique, and Busquets have to backpass to Casillas. I’m sure in their spare time, they relax and relieve themselves of such hateful feelings by kicking apart the strawmen that you have so kindly built for them.
Brilliant, Anonymous. Thank you.
Child, child…. simmer down. Dont throw your toys out of the pram like that.
The only reason why those team’s didn’t have their defenders and goalkeepers passing amongst each other(not as if Barcelona’s defenders and goalkeeper were continuously passing amongst each other either), was because they were hoofing it forward. If you like that, well its your preference, but I prefer watching one touch passing and movement along the ground.
Also, it really doesn’t make sense to give the other team the space and time to create an attempt on your goal does it?
No it doesn’t make sense to give the other team time on the ball. However, I disagree with that Pep quote about Barca without the ball. Barca will never be a terrible team, even without possession. Saying that is basically admitting that your defense is terrible, and you cannot rely on your back 4 or back 6 to dig in around the box and stop attacks. Pep is basically saying he has no faith in Barca defense.
Yes, I understand that the way Barca utilizes possession, means that their defence is the possession. I just find it boring because I only get to watch the team pass and pass and pass, and I never get to see them have to defend. To me, my favourite part of football has always been a well-organized backline and the art of stopping a great attack. So, yeah, I guess for me to accept this Barca as the best of the best, I need to see them ease off the pressure a bit and let an elite team take the ball down the field like normal teams to, and see how their defence copes.
I know I’m going to get a lot of criticism for my view but IMO the defensive performance that Inter put on last year against Barca was more impressive, to me, than this performance that Barca put on against Madrid. Here is why: Because they essentially played with a man down for over an hour, and held a team that put 5 goals through on Madrid last night, to only a single goal in the game. IMO, that Inter display was the finest defensive display I have seen, as I have never watched Milan’s famed 80s defence.
well, opinion is like an asshole.
everyone have one.
i hate to play this card, because it’s easy and possibly cheap, but i suspect you have never played football/soccer. the technical skill and positional aptitude needed to play a game like barca is much more enthralling and enjoyable (for me, having grown up playing the game) then sitting back, tackling and hoofing long balls forward a la the EPL. for me, watching italy is like watching paint dry. apparently for you it is bliss. i watch barca because of their attacking philosophy. the kinetics of off-the-ball movement and one-touch passing are just so much more enjoyable than the more static game that you propose. it just never makes sense to let the other team have the ball any longer than the minimum possible. but, of course, each team plays to its strengths.
I have grow up watching and playing football… and I think Barça is just too fast and short in their passing for me to find them beautiful. A Riquelme/Pirlo, now… that is cool.
True, that Barcelona during Ronaldinho’s time didn’t press as much as this current Barcelona, but they weren’t exactly sitting back and defending in shape either, there was still some element of pressing. And it’s strange that you mention Milan. Their defense didn’t reach the legendary status of today until Sacchi had brought his intense pressing game to revolutionalise Italian football.
Well, its not so much that Pep doesn’t trust his defense to sit back, its just that they are better pushing up. Puyol and Pique aren’t as dominant in the air or physically, or as exact positionally as Samuel and Lucio are, for example, but they are quicker and more agile. Criticizing them for not sitting back is like how Inter fans are criticizing Benitez for making them play a high line with pressing; its just not suited for to the players they have.
Barcelona are still stopping great attacks, they are just doing it differently. Its not that I don’t appreciate a good deep lying defense either, I do, I watch games from Serie A, La Liga, and the BPL every week for all their different styles. Its just about each team playing to maximise their strengths.
My point is that Ronaldinho’s Barca of 04-06 was just as successful as Messi’s Barca of 08-10, they each have won 2 La Ligas and 1 Champion’s League.
Unless this Barca wins the league and/or Champions’ League again this year or next, I can’t really say with full confidence that they have surpassed Ronnie’s Barca.
Yes, they may have more wins per season. Yes they may be more dominant. However, what really matters in the end are the titles. The facts are simple. At this point in time, each team has won 2 Ligas and 1 Champion’s League.
So for now they remain equal, but by May 2011 this may change.
Barca is entertaining.
Yes, it may be boring to watch at times, but not yesterday.
It’s just fascinating how they pass to each other, get into positions to receive passes and exploit space. With every pass something changes on the pitch and there are may be new opportunities where to continue the attack. Also, when you have the ball, the other team doesn’t.
Xavi’s game should be recorded on DVD and shown to all the kids what a proper CM playmaker should be. I really can’t remember a better midfield organizer. Scholes, Pirlo were very good, when younger, but this is a whole new level.
Of course an open game is great to watch. But for a lot of people football is not only about goals and fast (counter) attacks. Barca is an extreme, what they do is nearly art.
It is the summation of tactics, talent, speed, movement, …
‘I enjoy watching a football game like a chess match, where each team takes turns working the ball down the field and having an attempt on goal, and if they lose possession, the other starts the process.’
For me the analogy between chess and football is not about attacking in turns (round for round). It is about the movement and the positions of each player on the field.
e.g. If the winger moves inside what is the defence doing, and how is the rest of the attacking team moving. that is chess, only football is more fluid. In chess you don’t go for the last move to fast, you prepare every step, you have a strategy, and you react on the opponents moves.
The Barca philosophy is: We want to PLAY football with the ball. So if the opponent has the ball, we have to take it away.
For me it was not boring. Maybe Real was disappointing, but Barca was a superb. the technique, the passes … if that was boring, I don’t know what to say. Don’t blame Barca, blame Real (one of the biggest teams of the world) to go down so easy. But can you blame any team as long as Barca plays like this?
Agree with hwk above. Barca paints the field with their passing, it’s musical improvisation, beautiful, rhythmic. There are some people who aren’t sensitive to that kind of artistry, who want to see two teams throw themselves against each other. They’d prefer seeing two heavyweight boxers hammering at each other (stopping flow), rather than the circular fluidity of Capoeira or Aikido (all flow).
I’ve no interest in watching two “heavyweight” teams hammering at each other, or sending endless boring hopeful crosses into the box in the hopes of winning the lottery. It is far more entertaining to watch Barca find/create cracks in the wall than to watch two teams taking turns throwing battering rams at each others’ walls. Barca is the most fluid team in the world today, and a joy to watch.
I say it like that: I like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Motörhead, Rory Gallagher, Bob Dylan, Miles Davis.
I don’t think there is something like “the right way” to play. Barca is Barca and it is great, but not all teams should play the same style.
What I don’t like is stupidity. Stupid hard playing teams, stupid fast playing teams, etc. etc.
You said it ZM, variations of tactics would have been very unlikely to change the result of this game, but that is strangely reassuring for Mourinho that his efforts would have made no tangible difference. As you also point out he will learn very sharply what needs to be done in April in the return fixture. I know it sounds crazy now, but I’m sure you’ll see Ronaldo tracking back then.
This was an absolute pleasure to watch. Barca were fantastic, technically brilliant and on top of that such a wonderful example to any kids watching. If it was past their bedtime I would be putting on a video of this after breakfast. There was a passage of three minute play around the 70 minute mark which should be the YouTube example of tika-taka, it was breathtaking.
Madrid’s attack is structured around play on the flanks, between link up play between the full backs and wingers or balls played wide from Alonso to C. Ronaldo and Di Maria. In the middle, Ozil plays in a very advanced position and Alonso plays deep.
This means that Madrid has vacated much of the central portion of the opposition’s deep defensive midfield zone. And it’s that zone which has been so much of the tactical focus in the contemporary game. From the advent of the “destroyer” to the prevalence of two defensive midfielders in formations like the 4-3-2-1 enormous focus has been placed on fortifying the central defensive zone between the lines.
Building on a number of approaches Jurgi Low used with the German National team in the WC, Madrid has created a very interesting approach on how to deal with teams that look to augment their defensive axis through the center of the pitch. They’ve lateralized much of their attack and that often leaves the opposition’s defenders in inefficient positions with respect to where the Madrid attack is being directed from. In turn this has allowed Madrid to dominate possession and take early leads through explosive scoring for much of this season.
But Barca does not defend in the fashion that Madrid’s attack is designed to exploit. Barca “hunts in packs” as Michels described the press in total football. That allowed Barca to defend the flanks in ways other teams just can’t and it fragmented Madrid.
Madrid was unable to build play or maintain possession either along the flanks or in the deep midfield. In no game this season did they have to defend as much as they did against Barca and that was the biggest uncertainty coming into this match. How would they defend as a unit for long periods of time during which they would need to maintain shape and control space?
Barca’s attack and relentless pressing fragmented Madrid’s ability to control space on the pitch. Two banks of 4. 5 in the back. 6 in the back. Three holding midfielders. None of it made a difference.
nitpicking: not Jurgi Low, it’s Jogi from Joachim.
For me what it came down to was Mourinho’s approach. He could have stopped them and prevented this loss, but Real’s culture didn’t allow him to. So he tried to play rather than counter (as he did in Inter and Chelsea), which he clearly knows is a death sentence and was hammered.The result then wasn’t much of a deal. Mourinho needs to be given more time to establish this attacking identity, hence the return leg or even next year would be a true test of the team.
maybe even Mouriho tried showing the fans, media and his own bord that its not possible to take the game to barca and win? and possibly to convince them that there is a need for a better defencive midfielder?
when did Madrid ever attempt to take the game to Barca? other than the thuggery at the end, i can’t identify when. their deep line was penetrated with absurd ease, and their pressure in the center was lacking. Madrid is a counter attacking team that scores huge amounts because of talented players, much like the current Chelsea side. They never play an offside line as high as Barca’s, even when they get desperate.
mr big now, you better watch out!
ZM, do you think you could use photos from the game to help justify and explain your analysis? Like what you did with the World Cup games, ‘Ten steps: how Sunderland beat Chelsea’ and ‘Ten steps: how Newcastle coped with Arsenal in the centre of midfield (whilst playing a 4-4-2)’.
Yes will do this later
my 1st proper match analysis, here goes:
1.the alonso-khedira axis of real’s 4231 was invsible and easily passed around. ozil was bossed by busquets.
2.it seemed that alves started positively and pressed right upto the madrid LB zone in tandem with messi/pedro.
3.with no permanent forward, barca’s tactic seemed to be to quickly thread through the ball from deep in midfield into the path of the midfield runners/villa/messi. villa was repeatedly caught offside, while iniesta’s ball to xavi resulted in the 1st goal.
4. busquets was covering the space of Alves on the right, he was NOT the 3rd CB today. when ronaldo moved left, alves was more subdued and abidal became a more prominent figure.
5. barca settled into a shape with villa left and messi coming deep from a forward position. the 2nd goal came when, as madrid got sucked in to the right, xavi played a cross field for villa, whose shot was fumbled into pedro’s path by casillas.
6. the moment madrid got ball for their 1st spell of possession, barca immediately looked dangerous on the counter, messi’s influence on the game increased.
7. diarra’s intoduction helped madrid press higher up and he also repeatedly tackled/fouled messi. however their possesion play deteriorated and barca were able to deal with the pressing.
8. as madrid pressed, their defensive shape vansihed. messi on the counter provided 2 assists for villa as they sealed the game,
“4. busquets was covering the space of Alves on the right, he was NOT the 3rd CB today. when ronaldo moved left, alves was more subdued and abidal became a more prominent figure.”
- Perhaps true of the first half, but at 2-0 and 3-0, Busquets definitely played as a third centre-back at times to give Barca easier possession from defence.
Or at 3-0 and 4-0
anyone know a site to download the game?
here;
http://www.mysoccerplace.net/forum/topics/barcelona-vs-real-madrid-full-1
Özils low defensive qualities are not a secret and one way to play with Özil would have been a hard working striker (like Klose is for Germany). some kind of 4-4-2 and counter attacking football. Özil against Xavi was a stupid idea. But like ZM wrote: 1-0 down, Real had to change tactics.
But I don’t know if that Özil was the key. Reals holding midfielders played poor (any creativity?). And the overall defensive performance was bad.
Woohoo, what a game, what a domination!!! Congrats to Braca for this wonderful win. Real Madrid players were invisible on the court. Christiano Ronaldo, who is that guy??? Can’t remember that I saw better game in last few years.
http://www.worldofbasketball.org
“First things first – this wasn’t an inherently ‘tactical’ victory. Barcelona won primarily because of the cohesion and quality of the interplay in midfield.”
Why am I not surprised? (I predicted such statements on the web since before the match). If RM win, its Mou’s brilliance. If Barcelona wins, it is the players quality:) We read it when Barca defeated Inter in group stage, and when Inter defeated Barca in the Semi final (not on this site). Just to name some.
No. In fact it was a coach outclassing another. Even in your review, all the remarks that made the difference -in your opinion- are tactical instructions more than players decisions. While everyone was discussing how RM will contain Iniesta and Xavi, it was Messi’s impact in the midfield that made the game uncontrollable for RM midfield (as an added value to the midfield). Then the attacks using the flanks and getting advantage of Carvalho’s low urgency.
It was a very well-calculated Pep plan executed by quality players. While Mou failed in applying the right reactive tactics, Pep succeeded to structure his tactics right even though pro-active innovative tactics are usually more difficult to apply. Credit where due. Their was a true special one on the bench last night. Not the one who is annoyingly hyped.
Playing with no strikers as well. Pepe and Carvalho had no role to do beside chasing shadows.
“Even in your review, all the remarks that made the difference -in your opinion- are tactical instructions more than players decisions”
Well that’s because it’s a website focussing upon tactics – hence they’re the things discussed. I only look at tactics here.
A review that didn’t focus on tactics would probably be looking more at movement off the ball, ball retention etc which were probably more important.
Hm…what? That has nothing with what I said actually. I will say it another way:
You discussed tactics. Those tactics made the difference in the game. Who get the credit for that? It was a tactical battle. One got it right. The other one wrong. Checked.
Was there a possibility to stop Barcelona? I dont know. Ask Rubin Kazan.
Then I don’t really see your point, sorry.
He’s saying that Pep’s tactics defeated Mourinho’s tactics, not simply the quality of the Barcelona side as you seem to suggest in your article.
This wasnt Pep’s ingenious tactical plan, he sent out his strongest team which has been playing like this for 3 years now and they played like they always do, Mourinho could not control the flow of Barca players, dont try to make Pep a tactical mastermind, bcoz he cannot prove he is until he coaches another team.
Pep Guardiola is highly regarded by ZM as well, so I don’t think there is any bias. The thing about Barcelona, their plan is always the same, be it against Real Madrid or Almeria, they impose their own style no matter who they play, and only other teams react to Barcelona, so you can’t really say Guardiola outclassed Mourinho tactically. There is no doubt that Guardiola is special indeed though, he’s a big part of Barcelona’s current success.
Yeah I go along with this ^^ Guardiola’s plan was just his plan A, classic Barca. That’s not to say he didn’t get that absolutely right, but in that sense there’s less to talk about.
He can be a great ‘tactical’ manager though, when the situation requires it
Watch the match again, and check Messi’s role (He wasnt playing a false 9, let me start with this). Messi played a role a bit similar to his role against Man Utd in the CL. Xavi was playing less conservative. Pedro was used on the right for a reason (He doesnt play there all the time). Pique-Puyol roles were well planned. just to name some…
Was it Barca’s plan A? I dont even know what that means. Coaches are not expected to radically change their game approach game in game out. Its the little details that make the difference on this level (not the 4-33 and 4-5-1 kind of tactical obsession). Maybe, thats where Mou was wrong?
I am not judging how this blog value Pep or Mou or anyone. Its not my thing. I am discussing opinions, not intentions. I am talking about this specific match. It was pure tactical battle where one got it wrong and the other got it right.
Well, in that case we simply disagree because I don’t think it was a “pure tactical battle”, the tactics played a part of course, but the main difference between the sides was of technical quality and mutual understanding, in my view.
Wasnt that quality and mutual understanding existing when Barcelona played Rubin three times already?
Just one example of many more.
Mou tried to do what he is not good at. His defense setup was disastrous to say the least. No lateral cover. No diagonal defense. No pressure on ball holder (Especially on Barca’s defense). Busquets was not checked at any time. And later on, no reaction to change things when he saw that Barca offense is too fluid with no 9 on the field. Thats a tactical failure before being players fault.
Add that to the few points I mentioned about Pep’s tactics for the match.
But we will rest the case and agree not to agree.
NB: I think I need to comment sometimes when I agree. Commenting only when I dont make it sound a bit personal. It’s not.
Keep the good work.
I think this plan A, plan b talk is / was a bit out of control. if course a ‘minor’ change is not a change from plan A to plan B and minor changes or adjustments are the important point in tactics. espacially when you play at the highest European level.
To keep the match report short: Barca was in control in the centre of the pitch (or the whole pitch but the centre was decisive). If you look at the players (Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets vs. Alonso, Khedira and a defensive nearly useless Özil) it is no surprise who controlled the game. If you look at the tactics (Barca: Messi, Alves,.. moving to midfield positions; Real: three players nearly doing nothing to defend -> Ronaldo, Özil and Benzema), it is no surprise who controlled the midfield. Look at the style: Pressing and passing against … nothing?. (I don’t know how to describe Madrid.)
From that point of view (control the midfield and win the game), Barca was favourite. But you never know: How good is Barca at match day? Is Real able to destroy the Barca build-up play?
Yesterday they were not able to destroy anything, to control anything, or to counter attack.
The question is why and the ZM article gives good explanation.
This is how I see it. Tactics played a role but far from a determinant one. The big difference last night was in pace, in skills, in technique. And I do not think that comparisons with matches against Inter last season fully apply as IMO this Barca w/o Ibra and with an already fairly integrated Villa is WAY sharper.
Messi played the Totti role, Inesta the Perrotta one, Xavi the one filled by Pizarro/Aquilani, Busquets the holding role normaly played by De Rossi/Pizarro
the high tempo was the largest suprise, bringing it much closer to Spalletti sytem then what we normaly see from Barca
I completely agree with Ramzi here. Barcelona’s game against Real wasn’t even the same as against Almeria. Similar yes, still pretty much the same shape, but the player’s roles and movements were somewhat different.
Messi wasn’t a false nine here, as he usually is, he was almost pure enganche. Villa and Pedro were playing wider than usual (touchlines instead of channels), but at times during the match you could see them move in to stand as two strikers up against Pepe and Carvalho, once C.Ronaldo and de Maria have dropped deep to aid their full backs (against the shadows of Villa and Pedro, 2v0 down both flanks). Barca kept having an overload against the crucial areas at all stages of the play, whilst leaving the Real players overloaded in non-crucial areas defending against nothing. It was definitely a tactical victory.
At the time of the first two goals Madrid did not play a high defensive line. Their defense sat deep, and more importantly so did both Xabi Alonso and Khedira. Indeed, they even played 5 in the defense at times during the first part of the first half. Basically they used 4 or 5 players defending “the hole”, even though Barcelona wasn’t threatening that area of the pitch at all.
Instead Iniesta, Messi, Villa and Pedro positioned themselves wider and deeper and Barcelona got time on the ball, had numerical superiority where the action was and played around Real Madrid’s stationary defensive block in “the hole” easily. This also caused confusion about the marking responsibilities, especially when the Barcelona players made runs from deep, which resulted in tactical and personal errors leading to the first two goals. A display of worst case scenario zonal marking by Real Madrid. Barcelona created nothing in the last part of the first half, after Real moved their defensive line higher up the pitch.
Singling out Carvalho as a weak player in the defense is just a random pick of a scapegoat where the blame is to be split between the whole team due to poor tactics and organization. Carvalho’s individual defensive performence was better than Khedira’s, Marcelo’s and Ramos’ anyway.
While I do agree Lassana Diarra should’ve started this game I do not agree it should have been in place of Özil. Both Xabi Alonso and Khedira are good players but they are too much of the same, and that’s probably the reason why Khedira has been mediocre all season. He’s gotten away with it against weaker teams when Real Madrid have been dominating anyway. (Much like Ronaldo has gotten away with poor displays when the team as a whole has dominated and given him so many goals.) Against a side like Barcelona, however, you can’t put in mediocre performances.
Xabi Alonso got all the qualities of Khedira, plus more of the creative ones like vision and passing. (Make no mistake about it: Xabi Alonso is an excellent tackler; that’s been evident in all games this season so far.) Neither him nor Khedira are mobile and quick interceptors and closer-downers, but that’s exactly what Lassana Diarra is.
Even if you want to use both Xabi Alonso and Khedira against a side like Barcelona, which you probably do to have numbers on your side in the midfield, you will need someone like Diarra because the mobility and workrate you get from the two stationary holding midfielders simply isn’t near enough when you have an attacking trio of Ronaldo, Benzema and Özil. In my opinion the logical choice would’ve been to play Diarra rather than Benzema when Higuain wasn’t matchfit.
Looking at the starting XI it seemed like Mourinho wanted Real Madrid to play their regular brand of football, playing their own game rather than adapting to Barcelona’s. But then they made tactical choices like sitting deep with 7 players from the start and allowing Barcelona to take full command of the game. To me it was a clear contradiction between player selection and tactics from the start.
That being said, the biggest difference between the two teams was the work rate of their players and their form of the day. And in all honesty, the final score does not tell the whole story. 2-0 would’ve been a normal result concidering the number of scoring oportunities. Barcelona showed some amazing passing in the middle of the pitch in the second half but didn’t really create a whole lot and scored on almost anything and everything.
Not much to say, I don’t think there’s a lot to be said actually, when one team just looks as if it’s playing in a altogether different galaxy…
I’d like to note, though, that Busquets once again made a brilliant display – I don’t have the figures but he really lost very very few balls and his short passing was superb. Totally underrated player.
I agree, he was excellent
I loved it when they were 4-0 up and he let loose. Taking on players, drag backs back heels, shows he has the quality and plays for the team.
busquets is a very good player, however to praise him for this game is probably the worst example, as no pressure was put on him e.g resulting in high ball retention, whereas there are other games where he has been pressed and still maintained a superb ball retention. Also today his defensive work was very obscure as real had very little possession to test barca, due to real not pressing high up the pitch
Soo many people were talking about how Mourinho know to defeat Barca. Yes, his only technic to do that was to Park the bus and counter. Yesterday he didnt park the bus, so he lost.
If he had watched those games where Barca found it difficult, Valencia, Villareal etc, he would have known the only way to unsettle Barca is to pressing high up the pitch. I wonder why he didnt do that.
The trio of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi, assisted by Busquests, Pedro and Villa plays the most beautiful, creative and intelligent football in the world. This match is the best proof.
nah not even close to the most beautiful and creative, if we are speaking about the last decade I think Pelligrini’s Villarreal have to take that award, they played fullscale all or nothing gung ho attacking football with lots of creative freedom
Barcas football is intelligent, well diciplined, well drilled and controlled, they pretty much always play the easy pass, to me the most astonishing part is the well organized pressing system
honestly Barcelona dont play particularly attacking, its mostly an illusion created by there passing based style and players put up on the pitch(id even argue its one of the least attacking sides in la liga…)
I understand your point. Barca’s is a patient and opportunistic (rarely direct) attack, and they take any opportunities that are given to them. If the opposition is tough to crack, Barca is happy to sit back and hold the ball until they wear the opponent down, rather than try to force penetration.
Why is Arbeloa not playing instead of Marcelo? JM doesn’t really 2 attacking fullbacks against very good teams.
Did anyone see Pep b4 kick-off makin hand signal of “inverted”, 3 of d goals came from inverted run by d player occupying d flank.
Also RMAD’s best control against Barca creating chances just after half time when RMAD was playing 4321/christmas tree instead of 4231 worked best so, it was down to Barca playing well, wrong formation and wrong fullbacks for the game [Arbeloa should have started instead of Marcelo]
Yeah Jose got revenge against Barca with Inter in the semis but he got very lucky, if either of these 3 things went Barca’s way as they should have done, Inter would have lost their aggregate lead:
1. Milito’s definite offside goal in the 1st leg at the San Siro
2. Bojan’s missed point-blank header unmarked from a few yards out in the 2nd leg
3. The wrongly awarded hand-ball decision against Yaya Toure just prior to Bojan’s goal in the 2nd leg, it was either not handball, or ball to hand as the Inter defender smashed it at him from a yard away and Toure’s hand was in a very natural position, tucked into his chest.
For me, because Iniesta was missing in that Inter match, it made it easier for JM to form a plan against Messi by crowding hm out. When Barca have Iniesta and Messi in the side, it is very hard for the opposing team to cover the final third on big Nou Camp pitch as both are dribblers thus their dribbling creates spaces and if opponent decide to crowd 1 of them out then the ball can be switch to the other one by Xavi quickly before opposition’s defence shuffle across.
Inter had a clear one on one wrongly ruled out for offside in the opening mins of the first leg, the Barca goal in leg two was surly offside, and the red card in leg 2 was an horrible mistake by the ref…
while i do agree that Inter should have got one goal ruled out for offside in the first leg, its beyond the point, even if the ref-ing was inconsistant to bad, Inter was the better side over both legs and deserved the win
What a disgrace Barcelona are. You can’t even enjoy their fantastic performances the have they behave on the pitch. Ronaldo is bad enough but they field 11 Ronaldos. Disgusting.
Real Madrid are disgrace not Barcelona. Ronaldo plays for Real Madrid not Barcelena.
Get your fact straight!!!
Read again please.
Ramos.
I wonder how Mourinho’s Inter of last season would have faired against Barca tonight. I think Barca would have stuggled to score more than 2.
hey zm,did u notice that alves was nearly man-marked by di maria!?what do u think about it?
In a sense it was expected – though as I mentioned in the preview, the left-winger has to track Alves so deep, and the teams who have been successful against Barca have played a left back at left midfield. Maybe Arbeloa and Marcelo in tandem?
@ ZM, I think you should have included RMAD’s fullback in this report bcuz ultimately Barca goals will come centrally so fullback that can tuck in would help or fullbacks to good concentration and awareness of danger, Ramos wasn’t even aware of Jeffren for the last goal & Villa’s 2nd and Marcelo for the 2nd goal by Pedro
ct, completely right.
Di Maria turned into a left back with Marcelo as centreback! Till the early 2-0. Then Di Maria switched sides with CR7 but this was surely not the solution. I would prefer Lass to come in earlier, for Di Maria, instead of Ozil. But more important than this,
maybe Mou had to start yesterday with a formation like this,
4-3-2-1,
Arbeloa instead of Marcelo,
Lass-Xabi-Khedira midfield,
Ozil and Pedro Leon more in the center behind CR!
As Higuain was not available, a great Mou surprise would be CR as striker. Pep knows, this would be something Mou never does! And i think Pep’s Abidal strategy would result in a big surprise if CR had been the only striker of Real Madrid yesterday.
Which would probably force Barca to make an early change!
All in one, agree ZM, it was not a tactical win for Barca… But it was a tactical loss for Real Madrid.
ZM, I really like your website and your analysis. But with utmost respect, I’m afraid you are disappointingly biased when discussing anything relating Mourinho. He got it completely wrong yesterday with his midfielders always outnumbered and the suicidal high line in the 2nd half with no pressure on the ball. A coach on Spanish TV said before the match that Real Madrid would lose comfortably (4-1 he predicted) if Mou didn’t change the tactics. He wasn’t so far off.
Comments that start with accusations of bias are always frustrating, particularly when they turn out to be completely unfair.
“He got it completely wrong yesterday with his midfielders”
Yes, hence “Sometimes you simply cannot stop Messi. How could Real have done it? Well, they could have used another holding player, and the introduction of Lassana Diarra for Ozil at half-time was nothing more or less than the obvious – an admission Mourinho got his starting line-up wrong.”
“the suicidal high line in the 2nd half with no pressure on the ball.”
Hence “Real’s offside trap was astonishingly bad to start with and got worse as the game went on, though an equal portion of blame should be attached to the midfield for the lack of pressure upon the Barcelona player playing the pass.”
No idea what the problem is here, but it’s far better to discuss the football rather than the ‘bias’ (yawn) of the author
Ok, you mentioned those things but then “First things first – this wasn’t an inherently ‘tactical’ victory. Barcelona won primarily because of the cohesion and quality of the interplay in midfield. Their passing patterns in the centre of the pitch are the result of years of experience playing together, something Real couldn’t hope to match.”
I’m sorry but I read this as when Mourinho’s teams lose, despite admitted mistakes, is because of the quality of the opposition but when they win is because of his tactics?
I think you’re reading a bit too much into it, it’s nothing specifically to do with Mourinho.
Ok, fair enough, I’ll drop it then. Many thanks for your analysis and for replying to the messages. Cheers!!!
Amazing game, with some unbelievably good passing by Barca. So many dangerous through balls, which is unusual in a game at this level – either a sign of the quality of Barca or the poor organisation of Madrid. Probably both.
Is the result, and the way it happened, perhaps a sign that Mourinho wanted to beat Barcalona at their own game, out playing them instead of using the standard so-called negative football that almost every team employs when up against Messi, Xavi, Iniesta et al? I definitely think he got it very wrong tactically, so in this respect I disagree with ZonalMarking’s analysis to some degree.
Whatever, Madrid were totally destroyed. Unbelievable!
Back when Perez took over at Real for the second time, shortly after completing the signings of Ronaldo & Kaka, there was an article in the Times (can’t remember who by) advocating a move for Villa as well. The writer described a system with Kaka central, Ronaldo to the right and Villa cutting in from the left. Although the writer seemed to be getting at a 4-3-1-2 with the 1 starting deep, substitute Messi for Kaka (as a false 9 rather than a trequartista) & Pedro for Ronaldo to get the system that Pep lines his team up in. At the time I thought it was a great way for Madrid to go, so it’s interesting that this system tore them apart last night. Hindsight eh?
Watching the game on TV (which isn’t always great for seeing the tactical patterns) I was astonished at how open Real Madrid were defensively down their right side. Villa was often standing out there completely unmarked and Barca were able to find him at will (they were clever enough not to do it too often, sometimes using Villa’s availability as a decoy).
Aside from the tactics, however, Mourinho will also have learned a harsh lesson about the character and temperament of some of his players in the heat of such a battle. Too many of them either lost their heads or simply didn’t have the courage to keep possession under pressure. The young German lads are great prospects, but on this evidence (and against Spain in the World Cup) they’re a long way from being able to match up to the calibre of opposition they faced last night.
As a final point, how bad was Casillas’s distribution? It didn’t help the team’s stability at all to see such wild clearances from the keeper.
Well said.
Mou will have learned something about how the haughty arrogance of the Madrid press can be a negative influence on his players.
Didn’t see the game but the tactical analysis was excellent as ever and (most of) comments also illuminating…
Could I join in the debate (again, despite not seeing the game at all) by suggesting that one way Pep employs Messi is a bit of a sacrifice? (False 9)
Mourinho’s gameplan may have centred entirely on stopping young Leo, so what is Pep’s reaction? Get Messi playing deeper, drawing players out of position such as the CB’s and Xabi.
I may be stating the obvious but I’ve not seen it explicitly said that Messi’s use as a false-9 was a direct reaction to the assumption that Madrid would be doing everything in their power to stop him.
I think that is because Messi has been predominantly playing as a false 9 all season. So there wasn’t a change even if it fitted the game plan.
Cheers, maybe I should download the game lol.
Of course the argument can be made, as Ramzi does elsewhere, that Messi was not in fact playing a False 9, but rather deeper, almost as a pure enganche. So it was completely confusing to the players assigned to mark him (basically both center backs and Alonso and Khedira). An astute tactical shift by Guardiola that caught Mourinho totally off guard..
what was Casillas doing ?
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/gamecast?id=301858&cc=5739
according to soccernet, barca only had 6 shots on target. somewhat confusingly they give casillas 2 saves. but whichever is true, just looking at the stats alone Casillas didn’t make himself much of a barrier. i didn’t see the game live so it can be harsh to judge on that alone, but looking at the above vid, Iker did not cover himself in glory on the 2nd & 5th goals. you could also have doubts about the 1st & 4th.
overall 33% possession is very poor for madrid. be interesting to see the indiv stats to see who the main culprits where in terms of giving it away.
he was appalling. among the worst displays of his career, the only decent saves by the post and vs. Bojan when the game was lost. Pitiful distribution, Ronaldo should have been sent more high balls than DI Maria, as he is 6!!! inches taller than Alves.
http://www.laola1.tv/de/de/fussball/esp-liga-bbva/der-klassiker-teil-1-die-kompletten-ersten-45-minuten/video/220-1374-38514.html
For those who missed it.
I would have dropped Benzema, made Ozil the false 9 and started with Diarra.
They were overrun in midfield so essentially having a midfield of 4 would at least (temporarily) slow Barca’s fluid attacks.
It was amazing watching Barca cut through Madrid with ease. I suppose you could argue that Mourinho didn’t have the personnel to really get at Barca (Ronaldo doesn’t track back, Marcelo isn’t particularly great, question marks over Ramos, Alonso isn’t a pitbull, Ozil and Benzema’s work rate isn’t particularly great).
It wouldn’t surprise me if he made a 20 page report on why Barca beat Madrid, knocked on Perez’s door and explained the type of players he would need in Jan/summer to destroy Barca. After all, his Inter side limped out of the CL in his first season and then arguably (ref mistakes aside) were one of the hardest sides to prise open.
‘It wouldn’t surprise me if he made a 20 page report on why Barca beat Madrid, knocked on Perez’s door and explained the type of players he would need in Jan/summer to destroy Barca’.
Absolutely spot on, and kind of similar to what I elude to in my analysis below. The defeat could actually be a blessing in disguise, because Mourinho is never going to let that happen again, and is going to be hell bent on revenge. As for who he needs to beat Barcelona, I’ve never been Carvalho’s biggest fan, and I actually think Madrid should try and go for Rio Ferdinand, everyone has there price, and I think Rio would be tempted to finish his career in Madrid earning big money. Ferdinand is actually underated in my opinion, doesn’t really get the credit he deserves. He’s a physical presence, good in the air, but he’d be suited to the Spainish game, one of his main attributes being his composure on the ball, and bringing the ball out from the back, two attributes very key in La Liga.
Cambiasso would be a great signing also in my opinion. He’s better than Lass, and I don’t think Khedira is a defensive midfielder, he was at his best when playing a box to box role for the Germans in SA 2010. Cambiasso proved last year, under Mourinho’s guidance what an excellent player he is, especially proving his worth in a tactical situation.
Lastly, one of Torres/Drogba. Torres is clearly unhappy at Liverpool, and Drogba will leave Chelsea if the price is right. Don’t really need to explain what either of them bring to a team, but one interesting thing I read about Drogba the other day, he’s actually faster than Fernando Torres, Drog is 2nd fastest player in the PL, with Torres 3rd.
A new left winger as well? Mourinho has some way to go to put Madrid at Barcelona’s level, thats just my opinion of how he could do it, but I’m sure Mourinho has a master plan up his sleeve.
To bring in a LW he’d have to move Ronaldo to the bench or up front. I’ve never been a big fan of Ronaldo up front because he’s only really world class when on a counter and I think his time as a RW has passed. He’s a lot more deadly playing as an inverted winger and I doubt Mourinho would move him unless (as shown yesterday) he comes up against a RB who will bomb forward and help Messi.
I also don’t agree with that comment about Rio. United can cope without Ferdinand but look twice as shaky when Vidic is out. Vidic is a colossal defender but like the Terry-Carvalho pairing, he doesn’t get as much of the spotlight as his more publicised team-mate. I also don’t think Rio is particularly great when in one-on-ones. In the recent friendly against France there were quite a few times (namely when against Malouda and Benzema) where he was caught flat-footed. Carvalho is no longer the world class player he once was and I do think he should be looked at primarily as a backup defender. But Mourinho didn’t have much to operate with in the summer and knew that he was probably the best he could get.
Cambiasso is a real midfield general but he’s played for Madrid before and may not want to rejoin them (after all, Sneijder made a comment about not feeling welcome there). I do agree that Khedira isn’t a DM and as far as I’m aware he’s always played slightly in front of Alonso in the 4-2-3-1 so I don’t think he’s being asked to be a DM. Although the problem there (and something ZM highlighted) is that Madrid didn’t have a pitbull on the pitch to complement them. Neither did Barca but their midfielders have been playing together for years now and it’s unlikely that Alonso and Khedira will remain as a unit if Madrid’s transfer policy is anything to go by.
Lastly, I’d bet good money that neither Torres nor Drogba will ever end up at Madrid. Drogba recently said he wants to end his career at Chelsea and when asked about Gerrard and Lampard (two younger players), Mourinho said he wouldn’t be bringing in anyone without resale value. Torres, on the other hand, is a known Athleti and has made comments about never joining their fierce rivals. He’s still loved in that part of the city and he’s a loyal footballer so I highly doubt he’d ever move across.
I definitely think that this Madrid team needs changing. They have some fantastic players but simply don’t have certain traits (work rate, fluidity, understanding) and that’s why they’ll ultimately finish 2nd in the league. It wouldn’t even surprise me if Eto’o turned up at Madrid next year. After all, he is a former player that didn’t leave Barca in the best of circumstances, who is playing for an Inter side that is badly off form and was made into a work-horse by Mourinho. Not to mention that he can play wide left forward, centre forward and wide right forward.
Eto’s a good shout, would work best as a right midfielder in my opinion, he showed under Mourinho last year he’s very willing to carry out his defensive duties. Ronaldo-Ozil-Eto’o would be pretty impressive, despite Ozil’s non existent performance last night, he’s still a quality player, and will still become even better.
Wasn’t aware Drogba made those comments, but everyone has there price, and players have said they will stay for the rest of there career only to move on again after saying it. Add in the Mourinho factor. Probably rule out Torres though, didn’t think of his Atletico connections.
Who do you think Madrid should sign for CB? You mention Vidic, I think Vidic is an awesome player, but he’s much more suited to the English game, big, strong, good in the air. Ferdidnand is the same, not quite as dominant and imposing as Vidic, but he has those attributes to his game, but Ferdinand is better on the ball than Vidic is, hence suiting him more to the Spainish game.
Casillas
Ramos-Rio-Pepe-Marcelo
Alonso-Cambiasso
Eto’o-Ozil-Ronaldo
Drogba
Would be some team in my opinion.
It’s true that every player has their price but then you’ve got to think about how Drogba would fit in. I read that Drogba was second fastest in the league (don’t believe it though, Bale, Walcott, A.Cole and Valencia are significantly quicker) but I think he’d slow down Madrid’s play especially as Di Maria, Ronaldo and Ozil are quick. Plus he’s never done particularly great against Pique and Puyol and essentially it is the El Classico’s that decide who wins the league. Not to mention that Drogba is one of those who only performs when he’s loved by the fans/manager and many players who have left this league to go to Spain or vice versa (Torres, Forlan, VDV, Ronaldo, Alonso) have all commented that the fans are on your back 24/7 and I don’t see Drogba coping with that.
I definitely agree that Vidic is a typical Premier League CB but was pointing out that he’s the superior player. The problem with Rio is that he’s susceptible to pace and quick movement; two things Barca have in abundance. As for who I think should partner Pepe, I’m not entirely sure. There aren’t that many world class CBs who could cope in La Liga and who are fairly young.
More generally, I’d bring in a RW (Eto’o), a defensive midfielder (Mascherano would have been chosen), a left back (Contraeo is looking special) and another CB (?).
eto’o is still good with the barca players and he has said, i believe, that he will never play for madrid. he doesnt like them because they f’d him over earlier in his career. i think they had rights to him at one point, but shunned him.
I highly doubt that Eto’o will go to Madrid.
His Barca exit was to his surprise but he has always been more infuriated by the way RM treated him when he was a young player. Plus, his first chant, after winning La Liga, was: “Madrid, cabrón, saluda al campeón!”
Marca are already talking up Hugo Almeida coming from Werder Bremen.
Why? I don’t know… maybe on the grounds that a) he’s Portuguese b) he’s big and burly and Mourinho loves to have such a striker at his disposal
Torres would never go to Madrid.
Cambiasso was already the best defencive midefilder in the world long befor Mourinho arrived, there’s no way in hell Inter could have grabed this many titles w/o Cambiasso, he is the foundation and breathing hart of that team
idiotic of Real to discard/send him away as fast as they did back in the build up for the 04/05 session
Cambiasso is near-impossible to buy. Anyone that follows inter knows that he is the next captain after Zanetti retires (if ever!). Real Madrid nearly destroyed his career so I can’t see him going back.
Still, I must say he and alonso would be a dream combination. I’m also glad that cambiasso getting the praise he deserves. His positioning and reading of the game is superb.
Absolutely incredible performance from Barcelona. The keep ball, the one touch, two touch stuff and the work in tight spaces was just brilliant, but the work without the ball was arguably even better. With Barcelona/Spain, the assumption would probably be there just told to go out and play, and with the likes of Messi/Villa/Iniesta/Xavi the likelihood is they will get a goal, bit like Argentina at the World Cup, but the work Barcelona do without the ball, is arguably better than what they actually do with it, the way they press the ball and work hard is brilliant.
Madrid just had an absolute nightmare, but in my opinion, it could actually be a blessing in disguise. Mourinho will NEVER let that happen again, and I think will just be even more motivated to stop Barcelona. Like with Inter Milan, it may not happen in the first season, but the second season is just domination. I can see that happening, but Madrid still need work. Di Maria just reminded of Dirk Kuyt, and having not seen much of him, this wasn’t what I expected. I was expecting a poor man’s Ronaldo, lots of skill, not alot of hard work. He ran about a bit to be fair to him, but he barely managed a successful pass in the entire evening. Ozil was anonymous, didn’t perform his defensive duties too well either, and Khedira, who impressed me so much in the World Cup just looked completely out of his depth… I don’t think he’s a destroyer, in WC 2010, he was much more of a box to box player, last night he seemed to be the one who was actually man to man on Messi, and he couldn’t get near him. I wouldn’t be suprised if Jose went in for Cambiasso.
I don’t think we can criticise Mourinho’s tactics. I for one, would have started with the exact same team as Madrid did, although despite Ronaldo’s tendancy to neglect his defensive duties I would still have put him on the left. His mere presence would have made Dani Alves think twice about rampaging forward, and Ronaldo would have been the better man to exploit the gaps that Alves left, as it was, Ronaldo was pretty much all over the place and his effect on the game was minimal. Looking back to the CL Semi Final between Inter and Barcelona, Mourinho had the player to player tactics spot on, did he really achieve that last night? If anything I thought Khedira was the one picking up Messi, but it wasn’t as obvious as the superb job Cambiasso did, who was picking up Xavi, I think it was Ozil, but it was a very poor job, then again Xavi was playing on a different level last night.
Will be very interesting to see how Madrid react to this.
You’re spot on about Barcelona’s incredible work-rate off the ball. There was an instance when they were 4-0 up and Ronaldo got hold of the ball on Madrid’s right touchline. Four Barcelona players swarmed towards him at pace like sharks scenting blood. He ended up hemmed in down by the corner flag and lost possession because there was no way out. 4-0 up and the game won and they still don’t let up!
I’ve been watching football since the late 1960s and I can’t recall ever seeing a team that could match Barcelona’s combination of skilful ball retention and movement at high tempo with such a prodigious work-rate when not in possession. When you throw the extraordinary creativity of Xavi, Messi and Iniesta into the mix, you have to be looking at a contender for the crown of best club side ever.
It struck me as odd that Madrid signed Khedira in the summer, when Mascherano was availible. Khedira is no doubt a promising player but has never been strictly a ‘destroyer’, and as you say Xabi Alonso is far better alongside such a player. Who better than his ex-clubmate who played so well with him? I always thought Mascherano was slighly limited but he would give the Madrid midfield the bite it was missing last night, rather than warming the bench for Barca (as he will be all year due to the marvellous Busquets).
Masch wanted to play for Barca, and i dont think he would have gone to RM if there was any chance of going to his true dream team.
Thats true I suppose but surely if Mourinho guarenteed him a starting place plus probably a better contract he would have gone for that, and I doubt his dream involved sitting on the bench, which he must have known would happen.
I believe there are two ways you can play against a team with great skill and movement (Barcelona). 1. You restrict the available space where it counts and leave the opponent alone where they can’t be dangerous, the so-called parking the bus strategy. 2. Or you load on the pressure and force the opponent into a longball game and turn the match into a physical battle. The problem with Real Madrid is that they don’t possess the team to implement anyone of these tactics. Because they lack the needed discipline, and the reputation of the players is to high for the coach to drop them in favor of others more suitable. As a result last night we saw an out of shape Real not committing to defending as a team or pressing as team.
Exactly.
Mourinho had to either turn this into a brutal affair and disrupt their game plan or park the bus and wait for Barca to overcommit.
The problem was that they went down 2-0 so early on that they HAD to go forward and that ultimately played into Barca’s hands.
Suprised you didnt comment on arbeloa coming on from marcelo at 4-0 down- i think. seemed a weird decision
Just to make Real slightly better defensively, I suppose. At 4-0 I didn’t really think it worth commenting on!
@Marc,
I dont agree with your point about madrid’s line.. I think from the beginning they were playing with a ’suicide’ high line.. watch the highlights here http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/11/29/barcelona-5-0-real-madrid-la-liga-highlights-video/, and observe the very first cameo of the game after the handshaking in 9 minute.. Madrid’s line is located somewhere near the border of 1/3 of the whole pitch..
Murinho denied even himself, when in April Inter defended with its line, in the worst case, just at the border of the penalty box.. watch again the first scene here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzqwsdU8FDA in the third minute when pedro is taking a shot from a position very close to iniesta’s yesterday in the first goal..
I dont know why murinho played differently than the way he succeeded with Inter, but i think Real culture and mentality ‘forced’ him to try and find a way of beating barcelona with a more imposing approach and not ’stealing’ the game.. But pressing over the whole pitch is risky against barcelona, because its players are capable of withstanding the pressure while advancing and moving forward.
PS: beside the fact that abidal, pique and puyol formed quite often a 3 man defence as predicted by many, it seemed to me that with iniesta’s drifting to the left or advancing up to the peanlty box area, barcelona sometimes especially in the second half were playing a 4-2-4 or a lopsided 3-3-4 with the 4 upfront(messi,villa,pedro,iniesta) trying to combine themselves
i think ZM is messi fan boi, but who cares. He could be a good trainer irl!
I think one have to be quite a big football-dork to beeing no Messi fanboy…
Great Read as always ZM. In my opinion, this game showed just how far ahead Barcelona is in terms of technical ability and cohesiveness. Real, while being a good team, is no match for Barca (just yet). Barca is a complete product. While Real is still a work in progress, even though this is their first loss under Mou. But hats off to Barcelona. What i respect them for is that they stay true to their attacking mindset regardless of the opposition. Can’t wait for round two. Who knows, with the way barcelona are playing, it might be over by then.
A couple other thoughts:
Ronaldo, while clearly a top-class footballer, has always slightly bored me with his stand-still trickery (almost similar to an “iso” – isolation – in basketball), and this was particularly frustrating early on in this match playing on the right where he didn’t have the ability to cut in with pace, this somewhat exaggerating his style. Madrid needed quick counters, not dazzling holdups. In this respect, he may have been more effective in a central position, and it might have been interesting to see Ozil playing on the right. A great attacking chance in the first half (13:40) was when Ronaldo drifted centrally and Benzema charged in the space to receive a wonderful through-ball by the Portuguese international. Additionally, this attacking scheme had the knock-on effect of forcing Benzema to play too far left of center when out of possession, leaving Ronaldo with few attacking options when Madrid did get the ball on the counter.
I understand it’s a game of pick your poison, but surely Mourinho didn’t think that Madrid had the team to keep Barcelona scoreless the entire match at the Camp Nou.
I am the only one who thinks that Mourinho didn’t use his third substitution to let the players see their dismal performance through right to the end? Half time sub ok when they were still in with a chance of saving some of it, Marcelo substituted as he simply doesn’t play at top-level (like most of Real’s defence – ie Pepe Ramos) and was likely to have been the cause for even more Barca goals. But no final sub? My theory is that Mourinho wanted the players he selected to play the biggest match of the season in La Liga (some might argue that the Real – Barca is the biggest, I know) feel every second of pain on Camp Nou as a punishment for not performing. Or maybe to use it as motivation for next week’s game against Valencia (a game I believe Real will win comfortably btw)?
Benzema wasn’t actually bad, what could he do? There was no midfield. The mistake with Benzema came from Mou by keeping him as a 9, he should have made him drop deeper as a false 9 and pick the ball up from deep(which is what he did later and Madrid actually managed to strong more than 3 passes). The worst player on the pitch – Khedira. I completely forgot he was even playing, 40 mins into the first half and the commentators(Legendary Ray Hudson and Phil Schoen) mentioned that they hadn’t even mentioned Khedira. Ozil second worst, Di Maria also bad and Ramos just got owned.
They would have played better if they replaced this imposter Ronaldo with the Real Ronaldo, he actually showed up in the big matches.
I still think(and many others do) that the 2009 Barca was better. They were far more ruthless. They had this X factor of awe and fear. The frontline is probably the greatest ever. Though my fave was whenever Figo, Ronaldo and Raul played up front together.
Damn, love to see Real Ronaldo playing ahead of Zidane-Raul-Figo again, that was galacticos!
Hey I think Mourinho is taking his sight on Rooney in the summer.
Actually, many of my friends and I refer to the “real” Ronaldo as the “Fat Ronaldo” and the unreal Ronaldo as the “asshole Ronaldo”.
I think the shove on Guardiola shows that we are right.
I think people have missed Real’s poor tactical approach. There was acres space and almost no pressing from Real. They hardly contested a pass or 50/50 ball. They let Barca gain and retain possession far too easily. Mourinho got it wrong in too many ways.
Barca’s performance was the greatest I have ever seen in a single match. I have now watched the match three times and it’s still jaw-dropping.
A couple points:
1. mourinho’s use of di maria to track dani alves i think was the single most important reason madrid lost. by doing this madrid’s defensive shape was aweful and they had centerbacks with no role. they essentially played a 5-2-1-2, with no one in the midfield to press barca other than khedira and xabi alonso who were easily passed around by messi xavi and iniesta.i dont know why jose was so focused on the barca full backs as due to barca’s lack of anyone in the box they would’ve had no one to cross to anyway.
2. No center forward for madrid. Because madrid don’t have a center forward that can hold up play, they cannot defend in the sheer numbers that jose’s inter did last year while still being able to maintain an attacking threat on the counter. milito did this job fantastically well last season and that is the reason jose is looking around for a big burly center forward. without a center forward the only counter attacking outlets are balls to feet.
3 No kaka. I think kaka will be the key player to beat barcelona in april. unless madrid get a center forward in january the only system that will work for them in the classico will be a 4-3-1-2. kaka is probably the best player in the world at leading counter attacks from trequartista. A 4-3-1-2 with a narrow midfield 3 ahead of the back 4 shuttling from side to side with a deep defensive line is the way to beat barca. Quick balls to the feet of kaka when the ball is won back, think milan circa 2004-2005. maybe a even a christmas tree with kaka and ozil behind ronaldo or kaka;ronaldo,higuain.
the diamond in midfield last year led to a comfortable 2-0 at the Bernabeu that could have been worse had Messi converted a few more chances.
Yes the diamond shape was used on paper, but in reality, marcelo played the same role that di maria played against alves. gago played as a shuttler leaving xabi alonso pretty much alone in the center of midfield. instead of leaving alves free, they left xavi free, as well as having a high defensive line (suicide). Check out ZM’s review of the second classico last year which demonstrates my point.
Kaka also did not play in the second classico, vdv did. Take the first classico last year for an example of how this madrid side should play barca. Same diamond shape, but I distinctly remember marcelo playing much more narrow in the midfield three of lass, xabi and marcelo. They got the ball quickly to kaka and countered with pace, creating loads of chances which they should have put away. I can’t remember how high the defensive line was though.
Kaka is a shell of his former self. Getting Gago back in form has more potential as they can add a 3rd DM to break up play who is also able to make long passes for counters.
IMO this game is not matter of numbers. Barca´s players are much better “on the ball”. Control the ball=control the game=control the result
The only way to beat Barca is ultra good defensive block and set piece situation (or eventualy excelent counter attack, but just excelent)
Real is Barca´s big rival, and defensive play is impossible. Real fans are too proud. Inter fans are proud too, but they win 3 CL with defensive play and it is “italian stile of play”.
My theory is that: There must be balance on the ground, even that balance is 30 meter from your goal. Real play unbalanced game.
p.s. sorry for my english…
Terrific match and terrific analysis ZM. I’ve been following your sight since before the WC but have posted little since.
I was most fascinated not by Barca’s attack but their defensive fluidity. They seemed to constantly be changing shape, interchanging in a well drilled manner. Honestly, that was amazing how quickly they changed looks.
To draw an American Football analogy, they gave Madrid so many different looks when Madrid had the ball that Madrid was confused how to attack those different looks.
The press was just part of it, there was a lot of complex shifting.
Inter’s semi-final performance last season (and to an extent, Chelsea the previous season) kept Barca out because they defended deep and narrow and all worked incredibly hard, with a good forward (Etoo/Drogba) making them dangerous on long-ball counters. Barca score most of their goals from short, decisive passes behind the defense for a forward or midfielder to run onto, so packing the box with defenders means there is no space for these passes and runs. The whole team sits back, allowing Barca to dominate midfield, and not getting pulled out of shape or leaving gaps to be exploited. Inter did this well, and they stayed narrow, denying Barca any space in the box while gladly allowing them space out wide, from where they could cross unchallenged – however, their short attackers stood no chance against Inter’s defenders on the aerial front.
I was expecting Mourinho to play these tactics last night and I’m sure they would have been more effective. Do you think he declined because the Real superstars aren’t as willing to work and sacrifice to the extent that the underdogs of Inter did? Particularly the likes of Ronaldo would never work in that system, except as the counterattacking outlet, but there would only be room for one such “passenger” defensively. In the semi-final, Wes Sneijder – Inter’s most creative player – was throwing himself into blocks and interceptions on the edge of his own area. I just can’t see the likes of Ronaldo, Ozil, Benzema or Kaka (had he been playing) doing the same. It’s as if the Real players are “too good” for those tactics, and a less illustrious group of players might have been more successful in this case.
I don’t think this Barca team can be outplayed when they’re on form (Man United tried two years ago, Arsenal tried last season and Real tried on Monday) but they can be denied. Sitting deep and narrow makes it difficult for them to create chances and, however negative and reactionary it may be, and however much I hate teams playing like that, it’s the strategy that makes sense. Mourinho has never cared about anything but results and that’s what makes it so surprising that he didn’t try this tactic on Monday.
When Ronaldo was at Manchester United, Sir Alex constantly deployed him very high at the pitch when United was pitted against strong teams; relying on Ronaldo’s electrifying pace to threat United’s opponent on the counter.
Versus Arsenal, Sir Alex played a 4-3-3 with Ronaldo as a lone forward, Rooney on the left, and….I forget who is played on the right (I guess it’s between Giggs and Park
).
But anyways, Mourinho could have done that too. Perhaps the difference is link-up play between Rooney and Ronaldo during their times at Manchester United was excellent, whilst Benzema-Ronaldo duo remains unproven. Benzema is crap.
Ronaldo’s not as fast as he used to be. (I don’t know if it’s age or the weight room.)
I don’t think Real has any terrifying pace up front.
I think the problem is that RM’s players aren’t accustom to play deep and narrow and closing space, they aren’t that well disciplined and organized in terms of defense. Inter players were fantastic at it and im sure they are more used to play like this, since it’s Serie A. That to me is the big difference between Inter (last year) and RM under Mourinho.
Great win for Barca.
I have kind of a question. What if Barcelona had played Maxwell at left back rather than the more-reserved Abidal? That way, you have three players providing width on each side and therefore, more variation in the attack. Messi, Pedro, and Alves provide the width on the right and Maxwell, Villa and Iniesta provide width on the left, with both groups of players taking it in turns to provide width. Busquets could drop between the center backs the way he normally does, so Barcelona wouldn’t lose the ability to have a spare man at the back against teams play two frontmen.
Barcelona would be much more vulnerable to counter attacks with Maxwell instead of Abidal – Frenchman is the quickest Barca defender, for example I don’t see Maxwell stopping that pass from Ronaldo to Benzema in 1st half, which Abidal did (with Valdes help).
come on..when barca wins its coz they are great and pep doen not deserve mention..when mourinho wins he is a genius and no mention of volcanic ash and barca having to travel by bus for two days..one tactical change from last seson against inter was use of wings specially villa being stationed on the left wing all the time and barca switching play in an instance to catch madrid defence sleeping and villa a clean run on the goal..
Well, although I see why you would prefer Diarra to Ozil in first half I am not sure if I agree with it. As you correctly noted Real was struggling in middle throughout the game but not only in defense, but even more so in offense. Real had to score an early goal, that was transparent even before the match and playing for 0:0 on Camp Nou would be unwise. And 0:0 is the only result Real could hope for if playing Diarra because even with Ozil on pitch it was extremely hard for Real to get the ball to the Barca half. With Diarra introduced in 2nd half it was almost impossible to do it.
You correctly noted that with current setup Real had very little chances to win this game or even draw it. Mourinho knew that Barca will score against Real in Camp Nou. It was inevitable. The only hope for this game was for Real to score first and than try to defend.
Surprisingly, just 2 or 3 comments mentioned Kaka, who I think is the only hope for next el classico for Madrid. In this game it was painfully transparent how much Real with current setup misses classical 10, Ronaldo and Ozil playing it occasionaly but with Barca mid the ball didn’t even get to them.
Oh and to those who suggested that Real should play like Inter did last year. Bear in mind that Inter had a team of determined and concentrated veterans which Real does not have. I think that playing defensively, hoping for draw would be a suicide for this Real. Bunkering like Inter did would fail – well it even failed for Inter losing 1:0. You cannot bunker in Camp Nou with such a nervous, inexperienced team.
I also believe that the Italian style of football has to do a lot with defending. They are more compact and discipline (kinda of what you said). So in a way, Inter’s player were used to that. Real Madrid are NOT used to defend deep and sit back and just clear balls.
Hi ZM, great site, great analysis. Been a fan of this website since a long time.
Just want to make one thing official from you. Who according to ZM is better? “Ronaldo” or “Messi”…
Everyone knows the answer, but i want to hear it from you and please dont hedge the question.
‘Everyone knows the answer’.
Not necessarily. Both are fantastic talents, both are the focal point of their respective teams and both are match winners.
Messi has the luxury of having played with these players since he was a teenager, Ronaldo doesn’t. Ronaldo has the luxury of being genetically taller and heavier.
It’s a case of where your style of play lies. Some will love the trickery of Messi, the ability to run in and out of players whilst others like the quick, direct attacks of Ronaldo.
What do you mean everyone knows the answer? Just because you think it, doesn’t mean you are 100% right and every single other football fan agrees with you. Idiot.
Messi is a fantastic talent, of that there is no doubt, who’s the overall more complete player, personally I think it’s Ronaldo. Ronaldo is quicker, he’s stronger, he’s better in the air, he can play with both feet, he’s better at shooting from range, he’s better at set pieces.
In regards to Messi, he works harder, fantastic balance on the ball, awesome dribbling skills, but Ronaldo has very good balance on the ball and has shown numerous times he can dribble with the ball and score goals, both are very accomplished finishers, of that there is no doubt as well. The only real stand out Messi has over Ronaldo, he is more of a team player.
I don’t really want to get into saying things like this, but take Messi out of the Barcelona team, I suppose more importantly, take Xavi and Iniesta out of Messi’s team, would he be as much of a threat? Ronaldo has done extremely well, in what my opinion, is quite an average Madrid team, could Messi do the same? Could Messi destroy teams in England like Ronaldo did?
Don’t just say things like ‘everyone knows the answer’ try and argue it with some football discussion.
I’m not sure if Ronaldo is “quicker,” but that’s another discussion…
For the record, I’m taking Messi any day of the week. Ronaldo is a fantastic finisher and dribbler, but he tends to be suffocated without much space to work with, and I personally think his vision and overall feel of the game tends to lapse for much longer periods during a match than Messi. Messi’s versatility on the pitch, his capacity to play almost every advanced position as wonderfully exhibited in this game, makes him not just a nightmare in terms of talent but tactics, as well. How you can think this Madrid team is average, I don’t know. (In fact, if such is the case, one can argue that
Messi can play every advanced position, so can Ronaldo…
As for Madrid being average. Barcelona have world class players all over the pitch. Busquets, (yes he is world class) Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Villa. How many of Madrid’s players can be considered as ‘world class’. Ronaldo is probably the only one, Ramos if you’re being generous.
Are Khedera, (addimittedly not a destroying defensive midfielder) Marcelo, Di Maria, Lass, Carvalho, Benzema, even Pepe and Ozil to a stretch going to be the players to stop Barcelona and lead Madrid to domination?
Hm, half my comment was cut off.
I disagree about Ronaldo’s positional versatility. Messi’s tight control and passing vision, make him just as effective of a center midfielder as a Xavi and Iniesta. I really can’t say the same for Ronaldo, but to each his own.
Calling Alonso world-class is generous? Ozil? Carvahlo? Khedira? I agree wholeheartedly that the Madrid players are not being properly utilized, but calling the team ‘average’ – which I would argue perhaps heightens the ability of a player like Ronaldo who has essentially been THE focal point all year – to me is a bit critical for a team who has 32 points. I think Messi would do quite well in England, actually.
I don’t know, I have a hard time buying the “take Xavi and Iniesta out of Messi argument.” Certainly, the two Spanish midfielders are some of the best in the world, but their dominance, particularly in this game, was in a large part due to Messi’s exaggerated false nine and his positional acumen and talent to overload midfield areas. More so than Ronaldo, I would argue, Messi doesn’t need to be fed the ball, because of these drifts and movements. That’s not to undermine the impact of Xavi/Iniesta, of course.
I put my strong opinion about Ronaldo in a quite long post quite some screen lengths above in this discussion here. I think his time is more than over, and I think he does not influence ‘his’ team in any positive way. I also think he is very quick, but only on a straight 100m athletics track without ball. With ball and with opponent defenders he is relatively slow, because he is ridiculously predictable, and uncapable of any more-than-basic passing interplay with his team mates. His heading ability is futile when playing the wing, and his ’speed’ is when he is playing central forward. Just as a comparison, center forward Miroslav Klose of Germany is gifted with a supreme heading ability, and additionally he is able to score a lot foot-wise, he can pass, play without the ball, and even does defend/press when out of possession.
Worst of all, Ronaldo has that constant-complaining / refusing-to-play-after-fouled / getting-booked-for-stupidities / surrendering-to-pressure attitude. He will always score goals, but quite a fraction of them are penalties or freekicks that any of his teammates could have taken.
Dear ZM….think you should change the home page pic now.
The game was excellent watch. On the other hand I was scared as how my beloved Arsenal will cope with Barca if they again draw them in CL (i.e. if they qualify). What I was really wondering throughout the 2nd Half and specially after RM went 3 down as to what will be the best tactics to stop this team non-Mourinho style. Lets say RM has all players fit for Bernebaeu (Higuain, Kaka etc) what will be your formation and tactics to win against Barca at the same time playing good attacking football. I remember Mourinho shouting STOP XAVI, STOP XAVI in Inter vs. Barca CL Semi Final. I think they can do wonders with Barca’s atacking threat if they can stop XAVI and Iniesta.
With all due respect to ZM for maintaining a great blog, I think you left a hole in the analysis. Saying Barça’s dominance of midfield had little to do with tactics isn’t very helpful, and isn’t true either. You right to say that Barça’s superiority was a central factor in deciding the game, and do touch on all of the reasons why this happened, but don’t “connect the dots”.
The first reason was, as Benn Fitz mentioned, Di Maria’s role in marking Alves. When I watched the game again I was struck by how much of the first half Di Maria spent in line with the defenders. Mourinho had clearly given his defenders instructions to stay narrow to prevent Barça from playing through-balls. Consequently, when Alves moved up the right, Di Maria tracked him all the way back. In those key opening 20 minutes, Alves played high up on the touch line and pulled the Argentine away from the areas of the field where he could be of any influence.
Villa and Pedro similarly pinned back the fullbacks, whose contribution the battle in the midfield was nonexistent.
Ronaldo and Benzema never have been, and never will be the type of players to defend enthusiastically. Their defensive efforts waned as Barcelona’s sequence of passes moved into the double digits, and immediately following their few attacking efforts. For much of the game they defended passively by merely holding their position.
The knock-on effect was a further isolation of Madrid’s three central midfielders. The result was three isolated midfielders against Barcelona’s fluid diamond of Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta and Messi, who incidentally had more support from Piquet, Alves, Pedro and Villa than anything offered to Madrid’s trio. Given the numerical disadvantage, Madrid’s players could not get close enough their counterparts for fear of leaving the fourth open. That extra metre of space to work in makes all the difference to players like Barça’s.
The end result was no surprise to anybody. It is hard to think of a midfield trio anywhere that could do much against Barça’s quartet in the form they are in.
As we know, a large part of tactics is the choice of where you will allow numerical disadvantage, in order to create numerical advantage somewhere else. Mourinho clearly chose to sacrifice Di Maria’s presence in the midfield to stop Alves, and chose to play two dedicated attackers to create danger on the counter. These choices left Madrid’s midfield isolated and completely incapable of stopping the avalanche of football that came their way. If this isn’t tactical, I don’t know what is.
Just a few quick things:
–Abidal is Guardiola’s first choice at left back, particularly in the big matches. If he and Maxwell are healthy, particularly now that the Frenchman has discovered his attacking boots, Abidal gets the nod because he can attack, and still get back to defend.
–Not just midfield play, but one-touch passing makes it impossible not to chase the ball. It requires a very disciplined defender to stay put while a team does its thing. And this all gets undone by….
–Width. Recall that the last time a Mourinho side beat us, we didn’t have it. This time, width was the key, because it spread the defense, rather than allowing it to compress into a space defined by the edges of the box.
–As noted by others, a healthy Iniesta was immense, because you can’t mark Xavi, as Inter so successfully did, because then Iniesta becomes Xavi, and who marks him? Last season, injuries and infirmity (I’m looking at you, Thierry Henry) forced us to become a narrow attack. This year, Villa’s role as the Henry replacement (primarily) gives defense-altering width, as does Pedro on the other side, who gave their defenders fits.
–Everybody defends. In the first few minutes of the match, Villa got carded for getting stuck in. And he’s the striker. Is there any other side that defends with all 11 players?
It was an extraordinary match, though some are trying to diminish it by saying that the other team “didn’t show up,” or “played horribly,” etc. It’s the common litany when we demolish a side, which means either there’s a long list of terrible teams, or we had something to do with it.
Completely agree.
in a way barca have a passer-passer-creator mid field or passer creator creator. they have no destroyer because busquets isnt one
Well, Barça proved to be the best team in the world. The passes, the men going inside of Madrid’s defense, the speed of thinking. It’s Més que un club. The best midfield in the all world – Iniesta playing i the left, with Villa ahead, Pedro at the right, Xavi as a midfield playing behind Messi, which was centralized. Busquets made again, an awesome game. Wonderful midifield defensive player, as we call here Volante. And to that ones who are Madrid, just got to sit, and sadly, for him, to cry.
http://opitacoboleiristico.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/mes-que-un-partit/ My post about the game. It isn’t in english, but if you guys just take a look, would be great. Till next time!
Just a couple of observations:
- Has there been another team as efficient as winning the ball back as this current Barca side? Guardiola’s ability to get the whole team, full of the world’s greatest talents, to toe the party-line when it comes to defending is highly commendable; as is the attitude of the Barca players. This, coupled with their rapid ball circulation, only serves to highlight the deficiencies inherit in C.Ronaldo’s game. Good player though he is, he’d stick out like a tall Swede if he were in the Blaugrana side.
- Believe it or not, but this result has some benefit for Mourinho. The silver lining to this 5-0 shaped cloud is that, maybe now, he’ll be left to choose which tactics best suit each match. I say this because early in his Madrid tenure his side were drawing matches that they were expected to win. These results were followed by the usual cat-calls of, ‘Told you: Mourinho’s a defensive coach!’ and ‘This isn’t the Real Madrid way!’. The fact that there were four new players to accommodate seemed to be lost on the Madrid faithful; but after that last result, when Diarra should have started ahead of Ozil, maybe now they’ll be less emphasis from the Bernabeu crowd on attacking idealism and a new appreciation for Mourinho type pragmitism. Or maybe not.
It all has been pretty much said here, but what the heck was wrong with Iker?! His distribution was a total nightmare troughout the match. Just kicking long balls upfield to no one, even though either one of Carvalho/Pepe was frequently coming deep to receive the ball to the feet.
Later in the match Alonso got so frusturated with this, that he joined Pepe and Carvalho in the centre of defense when Casillas had the ball (which in my mind resulted in one of the goals), but no change. If I remember correctly, he (Iker) played like three short passes during the 90 mins. Rare sight to see the guy melt down like that. I guess his human after all.
And also as mentioned before by Barnesy, hopefully this result will trigger an attitude change within the madridistas and Florentino Perez. Sometimes theres no other way of playing, than the good old ”parking the cruiser”-way. In the end, points seperate teams in the table, not the manner of getting them.
Ps. A suggestion to our dear ZM; if you’re planning to write one of those ‘’spin-off” articles in the near future, It’d be very interesting if you’d hihglight how come Khedira-Schweinsteiger pairing seems to be superior compared to the Khedira-Alonso one. Maybe even extending it to comparing Jose’s current team to Löw’s side, since there are quite a few similarities, including the obvious, Özil and Khedira. And keep up the good work!
I think, Casillas indeed seemed to not have had his best day. I think the second of Villa he would normally have, considering how fantastic he saved during the WC.
As for the Madrid-Germany comparison in the DM (considering Spain in the WC was pretty much consisting of Barca players. I’d say there a three reasons, why Khedira looked better with Schweinsteiger in the WC against Spain than now with XabiAlonso against Barca:
- First of all, Schweinsteiger himself is a much better player than Alonso. Quicker, better tackler, better ball-winner, better passing, more vision, better stamina, more will-power, more goals.
- Second, the Spain team was not as strong as the Barca side is now. Simply, replacing Alonso by Messi is a bonus, and also replacing Ramos by Alves makes Barca the better team than Spain.
- Third, looking at the respective matches, two of the Madrid offence (Ronaldo, Benzema) did not work/press at all. Podolski and Klose were working hard, trying to keep the spain defenders/midfielders busy. (It nearly worked, Spain had very few good chances and only scored from a set piece…).
Having put Schweini instead of Alonso in the clasico still would probably have changed little though. Individual mistakes by Ramos, Marcelo and Casillas (and the referee) would have done the job anyhow.
And finally, I also have to praise ZM, this is the best and most interesting blog/site about football and tactics I have ever seen. Keep it going, bro!
“However, the two frequently swapped sides during the game, seemingly according to which side of the pitch Ronaldo was on. Puyol always appeared to be on the side closest to Ronaldo, ready to double up against him – as if Guardiola didn’t completely trust Pique, who has a tendency to dive into tackles.”
If this is true it’s an excellent point.
No problem, I appreciate the critique.
And do bear in mind, if I’d omitted that para, I would have had loads of people saying “It wasn’t about the tactics…”
Indeed, I do take your point and I understand what you mean. And thanks