Brazil 2-1 North Korea: Exactly what we expected
A good game in both tactical and entertainment terms – North Korea defended resolutely and their front two showed their technical quality, but Brazil’s patience was rewarded in the second half.
Firstly, it’s never nice when websites blow their own trumpets, but you can be assured that this is actually a vuvuzela ZM is blowing on:
“With Brazil playing mainly on the counter-attack, and Portugal and Ivory Coast playing systems that rely on pace, North Korea’s ultra-defensive style could frustrate teams early in games – you can imagine one of their opponents struggling to break them down early on, and going in 0-0 at half-time – whether North Korea will be able to defend resolutely for 90 minutes against a top-quality side is doubtful, however.” (here)
“Don’t be surprised if Brazil quietly fight their way to World Cup victory. They’ll keep the ball, tire the opposition but not look particularly dangerous. Then, late in the game, they’ll break at speed, rely on the skill of Kaka and Robinho, and win games comfortably without thrashing the opposition”. (here)
That essentially tells the story of how the game developed, hopefully demonstrating that studying the tactical characteristics of individual sides is a worthwhile exercise. British television broadcasters acted like the scoreline was a shock to the world, when in fact the pattern of the game was logical when considering the philosophy and strategy of Brazil and North Korea.
The line-ups
Brazil set out as expected, with Elano getting the nod over Ramires for the right-sided midfield position. Indeed, the Brazil team was actually set out with the numbers 1-11 on their backs, nice to see in the age of squad numbers.
North Korea’s side featured one change from the predicted side, with Nam Song-Chol making way for Pak Chon Jin on the right-hand side of defence. This was a crucial role, as the freest defender. They maintained their usual formation, a five-man defence with a defensive midfielder just ahead, and the wing-backs got forward increasingly as the game went on.
The general pattern
Brazil struggled to break down the North Korean defence because their system and strategy is based around playing on the counter-attack. They keep possession brilliantly, but can look slightly out of ideas when they get to the final third against teams playing ultra-defensively. It’s in situations like this when you can understand the Brazilian public’s frustration about the use of too many functional players and not enough creators – Melo and Gilberto were possibly doing too much of the same thing tonight.
That said, credit must go for Dunga for persisting with the system, and to Brazil for having the patience to keep on playing short, neat passes across the pitch until they eventually found a way through. A less talented (or less confident) side would have started to hit longer passes into the penalty area, especially with Luis Fabiano a decent target man and towering over the North Korean defenders.
Brazil were outnumbered whenever they attack, because of North Korea’s five-man defence that became a six-man defence when Yong Hak-An followed Kaka deep. Fabiano found it difficult because he was up against three defenders by himself, whilst Robinho and Elano both found wing-backs tracking them when they moved into attacking areas, and the Korean defenders were happy for Gilberto and Melo to have the ball in the centre.

North Korea's shape took on a 5-3-2 shape when not in possession, making it difficult for Brazil to break them down
That didn’t mean that those two players were encouraged the ball by the Koreans. Their two front players, Hong-Yong Jo and Jong Tae-Se, looked to drop in front of the Brazilian holding midfielders, making it slightly more difficult for the centre-backs to play the ball forward towards them.
Full-backs key
As one would expect against a 5-3-1-1, the Brazilian full-backs were completely free, and the breakthrough was always likely to come from one of them. The surprising thing about Dunga’s instructions tonight was that he didn’t push Maicon and Michel Bastos further forward – they were constantly free, and creating an overload on the flanks looked the best way to make the breakthrough.
Amongst their few goalscoring efforts in the first half were long-range shots that went close from both full-backs. This showed that they were the free players, so why not move them higher up the pitch, closer to the goal? They wouldn’t have had quite as much space, of course, but they still would have caused confusion in the Korean defence. Maicon’s goal towards the beginning of the second half demonstrated this well.
Elano’s goal came from a very similar position, and it’s interesting that both the Brazilian goals came from the right-hand side, because that is the side of the pitch they work less often. There is no permanent right-winger – instead Elano and Maicon both look to exploit that space – never at the same time, because they have a good understanding when Brazil have the ball. One goes long, one comes short. One stays wide, one moves central. Robinho stays on the left and Kaka attacks towards the left – those are the two biggest threats, but can often dominate the opposition’s thoughts to the point where they’re oblivious to the threat on the right.
North Korea were impressive on the way they doubled-up on Brazil’s creative players when they got the ball, but it was frantic chasing, closing down and blocking rather than a more intelligent, structured system. We should certainly admire their ability to keep a clean sheet for so long, but there’s probably only a certain amount of time they can keep that up. With the defenders constantly looking to double-up and get in line to block shots, they were prone to the ball being switched across the pitch, and both goals came from left-right balls that exposed North Korea’s ‘weak side’.
Conclusion
The game largely panned out as expected, with Brazil patiently passing the ball and eventually finding a way past North Korea with technical quality in the final third. Brazil’s full-backs were given too much time on the ball, and this is a good example of why 5-3-2 systems died out. North Korea traded ‘pressure on the full-backs’ for spare men at the back – probably a good strategy considering the nature of their defending, but with the talent of Bastos and Maicon, the goal was more inevitable than the half-time scoreline suggested.
This was a rather good introduction to Brazil for those who have yet to see them under Dunga. They’re not the wonderful, free-flowing side they have been in previous years, but they are solid, well-organised, keep possession excellently and generally pick up wins. Whilst the specifics of the North Korean approach should not be copied because their defenders tended to be dragged around, the general defensive strategy worked well (even if it was their natural game rather than a deliberate attempt to stifle Brazil) because Brazil like to exploit space both in front and behind the opposition defence. Deny them space, and you might succeed.
It’s a few times we’ve said that in this tournament. The popularity of counter-attacking football amongst the best sides has bred a fear of attacking among the weaker sides, because they leave gaps at the back. Those hoping for more goals might be disappointed – there’s little to suggest that attacking football is the best way to cause the favourites problems.
More on the first goal here
Brazil 2-1 North Korea: Exactly what we expected




As always, excellent.
My one comment would be on the role of Robinho – it looked to me that he spent a lot of the time well in from his normal role on the shoulder of the defender on the right. Was this deliberate, did he go looking for space? A lot of the time it seemed that he was playing on a mirror line to Elano, albeit higher up the pitch.
Yes, that was the one surprising thing about the shape, that Robinho was wondering all over the place. I’d expected that it’s (a) because he needed to find space (b) because he was often being double-marked on the left and (c) because there was no need for him to ‘occupy’ the full-back/wing-back, as he was never looking to get forward anyway.
And probably as he was becoming a bit frustrated…
Pleased at his performance though, had him down as my predicted player of the tournament…
Robinho is absolutelly lethal, LETHAL, when running at defenses.
Brazil’s right hand side vs Germany’s is quite a battle. Both are really good.
Agreed he was lively and (surprisingly so, to me) excellent on the ball.
It looked like a tactical move to me, and perhaps as you say that is why the goals came down the right – Robinho had made three of the defenders aware of his runs?
I’d gone for Villa (again) but Brazil to win it. What really impressed me aside from remaining tactically confident and (relatively) unfazed by not scoring was how quickly they played the obvious ball in midfield. Even the germans spent a moment or two checking and releasing; do that three times and the defence is set. That looked at this early stage to be the most telling difference for the later rounds.
When Kaka went off, Dunga moved Robinho into the 3/4 role (something he admitted in the press conference) with Nilmar takin up Robinho’s outside-left role.
What was apparent to me and I imagine to most of the Brazilian public that was watching was that even before this intentional positional switch, Robinho had been Brazil’s best creator in the first half.
Very likely because of North Korea’s quasi-man-marking system. Note the other article, on Maicon’s goal. #3 J.I. Ri was playing as a sweeper from the start, which meant that Luis Fabiano was always going to be marked by one of the other two central defenders. With Luis Fabiano usually slightly off-center to the right, North Korea’s left-center back picked him up, leaving Robinho facing both of North Korea’s free men on Brazil’s left. That’s also why Maicon got so many touches: Brazil often had a numerical advantage on the right side as North Korea tried to man-mark without being pulled out of shape. I do wonder how the game would have played out if J.I. Ri had shifted to the left of #5 K.C. Ri. Most likely space for Ronaldinho to run into, but if North Korea’s right side defenders pinched in Brazil would have to rely on the defensive-minded Felipe Melo and the less-than-confident Michel Bastos to create chances.
Thanks for this calm analysis. I saw lots of good signs from Brazil but some bad ones too and as a fan of course I wish we could’ve seen more goals but this was not an unexpected way for things to play out (except perhaps for North Korea’s goal).
Robinho to me was clearly our best player and Maicon was up there with Juan but along with Michel Bastos the full-back should’ve been even more present.
Luis Fabiano needs a goal to calm his nerves and almost had one, if only he had kept his shot low – you know, the basics.
It’s funny that Brazil might have better scorelines agaist the two far stronger teams in this group but it will by no means be easy. if things play out as they should it wouldn’t surprise me to see Brazil take those games 2×0/3×0/3×1 leading people to say we’re improving as the tournament goes along but should not be entirely unexpected. Of course this is not a given and we need to be very wary of how our opponents will approach these games.
One final note – even if North Korea generally plays the same against the other teams I have no doubt they will expose slightly more space and go forward a tiny bit more. All bunker teams seem to bunker better against Brazil and give you the impression that they feel braver against other teams even if on paper they’re supposed to do the same. It’ll lead to people wondering why Brazil couldn’t beat them by more (they could’ve, it just didn’t play out that way).
Hopefully we take the warning signs from this match seriously and continue to tweak Dunga’s system and play it well.
Brazil probably have worse squad ever:
Robinho- started at Man City-finished at Santos with year to forget!…
Kaka- One of the Real worse players this year…
Melo- Arguably biggest flop in Serie A…
Elano- playing for Galatasaray, nothing more to say…
Gilberto Silva- Panathinaikos, nothing more to say…
Luis Fabiano- lost his form after injury…
So there is whole offensive starting lineup for Brazil…
Dunga got whole game wrong… Brazil for 55 minutes have no idea how to score a goal, and the goal came from individual performance from Maicon who try to pass the ball- rather then score goal from “dead” angle!
Brazil are team that play on their “name”… they are far from titlle contender!
North Korea tonight just prove that!
P.S. Sorry Brazil fans but this is just pathetic!!!
I disagree with so much in this comment that I don’t know where to start. I began a response but became too exasperated and gave up.
What you disagree? Quallity of Brazil team? Tactical managment of Dunga? Luis Fabiano quote “Brazil can win ugly”? Fact that played no.1 and no.105 in the world? The fact that Korea coveret more team distance than Brazil(103.729m against 103.404m)?
You’d do well to read the articles on the site and get a better idea of how Brazil play than to throw stereotypes and platitudes around.
In addition, as someone else pointed out, club form does not equal national team form.
They played North Korea… not Italy/Spain/England… They played NORTH KOREA!!! And they scored lucky goal… and before that they cannot make single clear chance!!!
But let`s say i`m wrong and you are right… and lets wait games against teams who have coaches and players to punish this indolent Brazilian game… let`s just wait.
I’m not sure distance run really counts for much…the team with less possession will generally cover more ground anyway…
I must desagree with that… i will say that, maybe, 1 in 20 matches team with more than 60% of ball possesions have less distance covered than oponent.
Brazil drawed against BOLIVIA and COLOMBIA, both at Rio de Janeiro, in the qualifying stage.
It wasn’t a great game today, yeah, BIG DEAL. Brazil won and that’s what matters (for me, at least).
Oh, and since when more rushing is a major factor? My god, talk about distortion of values.
103.729m
-103.404m
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= 325m
much more team distance!
take a look at the passes or at possession
a few minutes after the 2:0 the most Korean players had ~30 times touched the ball and the Brazilian? 50 to 80 and Maicon had over 100 at that point.
maybe the Koreans had to run that much?
at the end of the day Brazil scored one more than North Korea and deserved 3 points.
Forget the season, forget club performance – does not matter at all at the world cup. I know it’s hard for a fan to understand, but thats how it is, and that is why there are unpopular decisions to be made by coaches.
Judge them on account of the game.
Kaka & Luis Fabiano definitely didn’t have games of their career but especially Robinho & Elano played well in my opinion.
I always suspected that part of the reason people didn’t rate Brazil were that the players played for unfashionable clubs like Panathinaikos and Galatasaray, but that’s the first time I’ve actually seen someone outline the argument!
Curiously, although Dunga has widened the net and picks players from Turkey and Greece now, it’s still hard to tell how they rate those teams – the call-ups from those leagues (and Russia) are usually players who have stood out previously on the national team and rarely if ever brand new call-ups.
Problem is that we all know why they went to Pao or Galatasaray… and that is not quallity of football!!!
Specially for you
Haha, that is fantastic.
Did you even READ the article, or are you just looking for a place to express your simplistic thoughts to more intelligent people than you? If you had actually read the article, you would have (if your pea brain would allow it) seen WHY Brazil didn’t score until 55 minutes. Seriously.
Did you even watch the game, or you are just gonna counter me cause i don`t like Brazil team/coach/tactics? 2006 i said France under Domenech play like amateur team- they reach WC final so I keep my mouth shut… 4 years from then everyone criticise French manager and I keep calm cause I see that comming…
But let`s wait… and mark our words… just like ZM mark their words on beggining of their text (yeah i read the text… huh)
Did you even watch the game, or you are just gonna counter me cause i don`t like Brazil team/coach/tactics? 2006 i said France under Domenech play like amateur team- they reach WC final so I keep my mouth shut… 4 years from then everyone criticise French manager and I keep calm cause I see that comming…
But let`s wait… and mark our words… just like ZM mark their words on beggining of their text (yeah i read the text… huh)
And I constantly think… if the game finished 0-0 (yeah… “IF”)… would “praise” of this Brazil “super-tactic” still be this much strong?
Well, we don’t have anything much better, so that’s on who we should rely.
This pathetic side won Copa America 2007, Confederations Cup 2009 and finished first in the WC Qualifying playing exactly like this, so it seems not be a great problem.
Actually, if you have seen Brazil playing so far, you would quite understand. This Brazilian side is about finding spaces and capitalizing on them, but they hardly creat them. For example, it has tied with Bolivia at home in similar conditions as today. North Korea has never gave Brazil any space, not even when down in the score.
But, it’s also true that it has faced more difficulties against weaker sides then stronger ones all along. And play better when score first.
You could bet that this team will play better as the tournament progresses. Brazil can lose, of course, but it will be extremely hard to beat.
I hope you are right… i don`t have anything against Brazil! But after tonight game I have to say i expect lot, lot better. But this team can`t promise big stuff, and this manager is not a “world class” manager, so Brazil, like I said, will play on their name, and they will probably progress to 1/8 or maybe 1/4 final… but i can`t see tham coming any further… Not with this team, tactic and imagination!!!
The team is good. The tatic is safe (and that’s the whole idea). The point is that, to this Brazil, stamina, patience and will to win are more important than imagination.
This is pure South Brazilian concept of football (strong midfield, pressure up-front, fast tempo on transition, counter-attack), that foreigners are not used to, and Brazilian journalists from São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro dislike. Exactly what Brazil’s FA thought it needed after the 2006 Samba squad debacle.
As a South Brazilian myself, I’m used to it.
That’s the point! Brazil surely won Copa America 07, Conf. Cup 09 and had 3 games to spare in the WC Qualies playing EXACTLY like this.
But, for those folks that could’t see for themselves, they might think the Seleção dominated the field, was a solid, tactically and mentally strong team that cruised on those championship. Unfortunately that’s far from true. They sure managed to get the results ( specially in a few key games), but in a much more fragile fashion than what we’re led to believe.
Brazil under Dunga is a mess. It rely on counter-attacks, the speed of Maicon (and Dani Alves, when on field) and Robinho skill, not because those are options studied by Dunga; but because nothing else works. Brazil keep the ball, but is unable to create anything with it. Doesn’t matter if they are playing against North Korea, Bolivia, Estonia, Canada or Argentina. Brazil plays and struggle exactly the same.
Other myth is about it’s defense. They have been far from solid and concede too many chances. In the last 2 years they lucked out against Chile, Uruguay, Bolivia, Ecuador and Egypt (remember those games?). Lost to Paraguay, Venezuela(!) and Bolivia.
Finally, I can’t disagree more with our friend Sancho, when he says that Brazil don’t have anything much better. The problem is that those are the only options (or the lack of it) Dunga built in the last 3.5 years. Very poor options and choices, we have to agree.
Yeah, what I expected.
1. read the articles,
2. don’t talk (or write) before you used your brain.
but that’s the effect of miseducation. FIFA’s player of the year, all the idiots talking about the big players (Rooney, Gerrard, Torres, Messi, Ronaldo, …), the money and the media. brainwashing and you are the end-product.
What do mean by “worse”? They have a very good squad that features players that have had bad experiences in Europe because their managers lacked the patience to deal with them. Elano is an excellent player who was chased out of Manchester by Mark Hughes, because Hughes felt threatened by his talent and the Brazilian cohesion. Club success in Europe does not determine a player’s or a team’s ability.
A club’s willingness to be patient with a player determines the players success. Landon Donovan arrived in Germany as a teenager, and played for a club that had no interest in developing him further. He wasn’t able to handle it well (after all he was a teenager), and grew homesick and left. Recently a more mature Donovan arrived for Everton and played well for an intelligent manager in a squad where he had a defined place.
Too many of the European teams have managers and directors who think the of the same sort of idiocy that you think: a Brazilian passport is evidence that he is an heir apparent of Pele, and will single-handedly change the team’s fortunes. Rubbish. A Brazilian footballer is still a footballer who requires training and coaching and patience, and not idiots like Mark Hughes who swing between seeing their players as menaces and seeing them as saviours.
Don’t judge based on reputation, but on performance. How can anyone deny Maicon’s or Elano’s talent?
a little strange this Donovan story (maybe true, I don’t know),
but he was playing for Bayer Leverkusen, right? and Leverkusen is well known in Germany (back then) to be patient with players from South America (Lucio, Juan, Emerson, …). It’s strange that Donovan had problems, but maybe the manager back then didn’t like his style or something like that. I think the Donovan – Germany story is a little disappointing for both sides.
At first Donovan had signed for Bayer Leverkusen and they loaned him back to MLS to get some game time. He was just not up to it over there. Much better in more familiar surroundings. When he finally did go back to Leverkusen (I think in 2005) he put in a few terrible performances (he was pilloried after Liverpool crushed them). Guy just didn’t do it.
He went back to MLS and he received a lot of criticism. He was considered mentally weak, which was probably valid. He was accused of wanting to just stay in the sun of LA, rather than go and prove himself in a better league. I think his row with Beckham and the reaction to it got his mind focused a bit.
And yeah, I don’t understand this criticism of Brazil. People are stupid.
Brazil was not great, and people expect Ronaldesque football, but Northkorea was not that easy competition.
I cant agree with you more. The only best effort on goal in the first half came from a Maicon shot on goal, which the N.K goaly punched out. Is it not embarassing for a team like Brazil that there so called attacking super stars couldnt even threaten the goal keeper properly for 45 minutes???
It’s funny how people were expected Brazil to win 5-0 or something. NK played a tight defense with the ambition of catching a draw at the very best. And, it’s pretty common for good teams to struggle against these kind of teams. Brazil were right to be patient. This means absolutely nothing about how they’ll play against better teams who’ll play for the win.
Remember how France struggled in ‘06 against Switzerland and South Korea teams before pounding Spain, Brazil and Portugal and arguably outplay Italy ?
Excellent review.
What was saddening to me watching this game was how overpaid some Brazilians players are, just a product of good football heritage, occasional brilliance and marketing. Kaka comes to mind.
If the hardship stories are to be believed about North Korea, it was an an amazing performance on their part. As odd as it sounds to be sympathetic towards their cause, I was.
I tend to believe them, I heard a reporter say they were flown in by the Mexican Federation for a friendly and they didn’t even have uniforms.
I don’t knock Brazil for winning but can anyone explain to me how Kaka or Robinho are worth all that money.
Good question…
Robinho’s pass to Elano, even though 60-70 minutes in the making, is worth the money he’s making. Absolutely Xaviesque…
I agree, that pass was brilliant.
Not to blow it too much, but for me that’s been the coolest move of the tournament so far. Can’t wait for Spain’s game tomorrow. I can only picture the halftime speach and Senderos’ face staring at the manager; uh, hhmm, uh, but they’re so fast, uhmm…
the one Korean goal might hurt Brazil very badly: the Ivory Coast and Portugal both can aim now for a draw against Brazil and for a win against Korea with 2 goal difference – and Brazil is out!… such consideration will take place now and it will be very interesting to see the tactics for the coming games in this group….
That’s a decent point, actually.
What do you make of the North Korean goal itself? Did it expose some sort of weakness in the Brazilian defense line? You have noted earlier the quality of North Koreans in attack. However, one cannot help but wonder why Brazil with such a stern tactical management should accept a goal with its quality defense line and goalkeeping. Also, do you feel that Brazil relatively struggled in creativity attack-wise against the North Koreans. The second goal pass was a joy to watch, but I felt that the first Brazilian goal was partly the goalkeeper’s fault in not covering the near post. Maicon deserves credit for the vision and technique, but I felt Brazil’s true edge in attack was absent.
Ah, yes! Thank you very much for this website! Up-to-date, exquisite articles that cover the evolution of the game tactics! Such knowledge is sorely needed to fully appreciate the frantic pace and vast array of ideas in the management of games. Sadly enough, most other websites and media only concentrate on the individual elements, forgetting the basic fact that Football is a team sport.
The goal was on the Internazionale part of Brazil’s defense in the end of a game with a secure margin of victory. There was three Korean for two Brazilians. So it looked more like “lack of attention” than anything else.
Maicon missed the mark, Lucio blinked (was in doubt going on the player with the ball or covering the guy in front of the penalty area) and left space for the Korean (that should have been covered by Gilberto Silva) to advance free to score.
It won’t be difficult to correct it.
When Brazil faces opposition with more potent counter-attacking ability, can it afford more lapses of mind like this? At the end, Brazil sure needs safer margins of victory before they afford to relax. Personally, I think that Lucio may have suffered from fatigue right at the end of the match. A long, exhausting season with Internazionale and his age make him rely more on experience and less on pure physical effort. The Brazilian squad need the full services of their captain if they intend to go far in the tournament. Matches with the Ivory Coast and Portugal should shed more light on Brazil’s defense line, as their attacking flair and physical games will put more pressure than that of North Korea.
Scorpio,
My first impression was “Lucio missed it”; exactly like you. After the replay, however, it became clear that Lucio had two players against him. He was not the problem. Maicon and G. Silva have more to blame on them.
Of course, this kind of mistake can be fatal, but it’s good that came in a meaningless moment to serve as an alert. So it wasn’t that bad at all.
On the other hand, Brazil only needs a win against either IC or Portugal to be qualified.
winning by a 2 goal margin against Korea might not be so easy, especially for portugal who don’t seem to have the ability to score loads of goals.
Portugal has the big advantage about knowing that a win with 2 goals against Korea and a draw against Brazil get them through… plus they will learn from Brazil mistakes…and against weaker teams they (especially CR) are good for more than one goal….
Portugal havent yet shown that they are quite capable of scoring. I also speculate that a player like Ronaldo would get frustrated in a game like this one. Portugal also play a counter-attacking style similar to Brazil. But I think they don’t quite have the patience that Brazil has in tight games like this. I think Portugal will beat North Korea, but I expect a similar scoreline.
Also, I believe Brazil play Ivory Coast the day before (Sunday). Portugal might have the advantage over IC — since they will know just the result they need on Monday’s early game.
This is a late comment, so I do apologise, i have just enjoyed thinking of this match and the consequences it may lead to.
In a way, i think portugal are in a better position against PRK than both Brazil were and IC will be. As commented on earlier on, Portugals weakness is ultimatly up front. While their creative players are misfiring at present, they are not a rare species in the squad.
The Brazil PRK game showed that PRKs defence is very very good at snuffing out the opposition in and around the penalty area, this is where Brazil look to finish things, this is where Drogba thrives (and IC v Portugal showed that IC seem to have wide players well able to create a supply of chances for Drogba)
However this is not an area of strength for Portugal, they still lack a true centre forward (though C Ronaldo can play there). What portugal have potentially over Brazil and IC, is a number of players who are happy to attack the goal from deep, be it creativly looking for passes, or more importantly, shooting from distance. This might well be what gets portugal out of the group. PRK neutralise a strength that Portugal do not have, and considering the fine margin of error, it may well be one set piece, or one pot shot from distance that gives a result, but portugal are capable of this, and may well get out of the group as a result.
Anyway,
Thanks for such a wonderful site as always ZM
They must tie with Brazil and beat North Korea first, it’s too soon for this kind of talk, besides it is in Brazilian media already…
If one of them draw against Brazil and beat Korea with 2 goals difference… Brazil will play Spain in next round… so they will finish their campaign really quick!
Hey Daniel,
I bet Spain would have loved to win 2-1 as well, huh?
If Spain were to play Brazil, Dunga’s tactics would mean that Spain would lose.
I found NK incredibly organized in defense, every player seemingly knowing exactly where to stand depending on the ball position, within a metre of tolerance, not more. Individually, they’re extremely limited, but their defensive system is extremely tight. I wouldn’t be surprised by a draw with Portugal, if Portugal doesn’t show more dynamism and if CR doesn’t make a miracle. The more physical and agile Ivory Coast should get a win.
Great analysis yet again (TM), and nice to see your previous articles sound like prophecies now ;=)
Despite them, a couple of things did impress me regardless.
1. Patience
Despite taking so long to score, Brazil remained patient. This is a pretty big accomplishment, when compared to how other sides reacted to pressure (e.g. Cameroon, albeit unfair to be compared to Brazil). So for those not having faith in Dunga, my guess that would be a clear accomplishment of his?
2. PRK counter-attacks
Their passing appeared so much better than what many other sides showed in the world cup so far. Great movement by Jong Tae-Se as well.
The chances were few, but they existed. I wonder how well they could exploit a side much weaker in defence (Portugal/Ivory Coast pretty well there too though).
Biggest weakness was actually getting their shots on target, but this appears to be a running trend in the world cup so far.
The goal was probably deserved, but Brazil’s defence seemed to not be concentrating there anymore. Dunga probably happy about this, nice wake up call to stay focused in games till the whistle is blown for remainder of world cup.
3. Robinho
As much Kaka & L.Fabiano were having a hard time to get into the game, Robinho flourished. Just insanely fun to watch him make his runs. Pass to Elano gold as well, also liked him much more in the Kaka role later. Sucks to be a defender when playing Brazil…
Just sick – I’ve seen all the German’s & Messi plenty, so refreshing to see him more!
4. Lack of movement by Brazil in 1st Half
Seemed as if Brazilians were trying to save energy in the first half, a bit too static. You touched on it when questioning why full-backs weren’t allowed to go further up earlier on, completely agree.
In contrast they looked so much more dangerous when movement was happening. Prior to Maicon goal there finally were two players sprinting at full speed to cause problems and it created the danger of the cross which allowed Maicon to (beautifully) exploit the goalkeepers anticipation.
Uh, also Ramires is used in the picture you linked instead of Elano.
“…Dunga probably happy about this, nice wake up call to stay focused in games till the whistle is blown for remainder of world cup….”
I don’t think so … see my comment above: due to the schedule it will be a big advantage for Ivory Coast and Portugal…..
Well obviously it is not nice regarding placement in group for them. But if you get complacent at 1-0 at end of game it will actually cost you points.
I have a question with regards to the photo.
Who is on the ball for Brazil? I’m assuming it is Michel Bastos?
If that’s in fact the case then:
a)why is he 15 yards inside of the touchline? b) if he’s going to be there, where is the option(Robinho)hugging the touchline and stretching the Koreans as far as possible? Is that Robinho who is playing just underneath Luis Fabiano and bringing a fourth defender into essentially a ten-yard space? Looks like he is making a run, but that makes me question his starting position.
Robinho’s probably just making space for Bastos.
I don’t know, I’m not convinced. If his run was going from left to right, I would say he was making an effort to open the space for Bastos. For me, if Robinho is going to play more narrow than your typical left-winger, then Bastos needs to play much higher up the pitch.
ZM was right but I’m still not convinced on Juan (not that I want Roque Junior back). He got caught out twice. Sad from a defender who plays in the most positionally aware league in the world.Lucio can also be beaten with pace Kaka receiving the ball from deep is dangerous. A smart team will have their forwards and midifielders rough him up. That could be deadly considering how pitiful Melo and G. Silva were in buildup today. The soft midfield and defense will be their undoing. Though, I’m probably just trying to find a fault.
I have to disagree, Laddie. Juan was excellent today, he didn’t had anything to do with the goal, it appeared to be his fault because he tried the “saving tackle”, only because Lúcio left an avenue for the korean to penetrate. There was that other run that he actually managed to tackle in the last second, but only because Julio Cesar stood still, instead of rushing out.
Lúcio was average, we’ll expect much more from him, but I still think the goal was just lack of attention, loosening up after going 2 goals ahead. Nothing to worry about in my opinion.
Overall, by far most fun game to watch so far, actual world cup excitement.
Exactly…
Excellent analysis, ZM. That was a textbook Brazil’s Dunga performance. Nothing superb, nothing fancy, but a very organized, disciplined and objective team that eventually won. It would be even more typical if Brazil hadn’t conceded NK the goal. But me, as a brazilian and fan of Dunga (which is rare around here, believe me), I’m glad with it.
The first half was a concern for all around here, specially the lack of creativity. Taking aside the fact that half the country was expecting 5 goals or more, of course hahaha. The players were to estactic, waiting the ball to feet instead of moving and opening up spaces. Against a fast and crowded defence, you can’t wait, you have to run, double up against a marker, that sort of stuff.
The second half, Brazil had a different approach: a faster agame in front of the area to mess up NK’s system, and it eventually did. NK’s goal was a casualty, a lack of attention that can be forgiven by relieving the pressure scoring twice and, eventually, relaxing in the end.
That’s what I love about Dunga’s Brazil: is a reliable team. You know they’ll score sometime, somehow, maybe from a screamer, a set-piece or a nice all-around play. This same feeling works for games against weaker sides, like today, or against another giant. And the defence is possibly the best in this WC.
…time will tell, but I think it was not a good timing for “patience” after the draw between Portugal and Ivory Coast. Now both teams can “park the bus” in front of their goal against Brazil (and I bet they will do it) and will try to win against Korea with more than 1 goal. Both teams are IMO capable to achieve a draw against Brazil that obivously has problems with defending teams and to win with 2 more goals which would kick Brazil out of the tournament … and yes it would have Dunga’s signature…
Honestly, even though this might sound ridiculous, I don’t think either Portugal or IC will last as long as PRK did (if they decide to park it), for two reasons:
-I think PRK was EXTREMELY well organized, dedicated and prepared; IC and Portugal just can’t have that many players (8) devoted to defending
-Both teams have the wingbacks necessary to widen the field and give Maicon, Elano, Robinho and Bastos a work-out. They won’t park it because it would seem like a suicide.
if Portugal wins with 2 goals difference against Korea they also will park the bus in their last game and the ship might have sailed for Brazil….
I think he’ll need Drogba. By himself, he can keep 2 defenders very busy. As of Portugal, I see them having a lot of trouble vs N Korea.
@Scotian: but for a draw you dont have to keep the 2 Brazilian defenders busy…Dunga won’t allow them to move away from the goal anyway
So do I;
Eriksson (for all his failings) knows how to set-up a tight, well-positioned team and it would be a fascinating test of this Brazil side to see how they cope with a physically imposing, technically competent (though not demonstratively so) side who are content to sit back and soak up pressure.
Maybe if Korea started out with the 5-3-2, but then changed formations somewhere in the 2nd half to say, a 4-3-3… Would they have done it? That would have probably stifled the full-backs, but probably brought its own disadvantages along the way… It’s obviously an unrealistic thought, but just came to my mind…
Forget it… NK cannot play 4-3-3
Great write up, as always. Toot your own vuvuzela, ZM, go ahead, but you still have to admit that everything would have been easier for Brazil if they had a passer instead of either Gilberto Silva/Melo. Anyway, on the IC/Portugal page, I noticed how in the first half of the Brazil/PRK game, Elano was making some runs on the left side, actually, and was relatively unmarked. As soon as Robinho moved more to the middle and looked up (middle of the second half), he found him with the money pass on his right side. That was Kaka’s job in the first half and it was good to see him get some rest. I guess he needs more game time to get his timing back…
Can’t wait for other Brazil games. It always seems inevitable that they’ll eventually score, one way or another.
Excellent as always ZM.
I too was very surprised to see the Brazilian full-backs attack so little, particularly Bastos. Bastos seemed very tentative in attack, as if he had very little confidence in his own defensive ability, and appeared reluctant to really push forward with real intent. His forays tended to find himself ending up in the inside left position for a long range shot rather than hugging the line for a cross from the byline. You say that it was all credit to Dunga to stick to his guns in terms of formation but I believe that a more aggressive player should have come in for either Melo or Gilberto. When the ball was at the wings, mainly on the right, the lack of a midfielder attacking from the centre circle meant that it sometimes became a 3 on 2 with Pak and Ji closing down and even Ri coming from the left CB position as a spare defender. The only clear short pass on was back towards center midfield rather than something more direct and attacking. The extra midielder may have made difference by engaging that spare defender to drag him away, or even offer a more attacking passing option when the ball is on the wings. This situation seemed to be exacerbated due to the deep line of N.Korea as well as the slow – at times ponderous – tempo of brazil. in fact, it was only a few occasions on which Maicon attacked from deep with the N.Korean line relatively high up, something that they were deeply missing, one led to a goal. Most of the time, Maicon received the ball on the stand still and found himself playing it inside and into traffic.
there will be a lot of talk on ‘Brazil didn’t do this’, ‘wrong tactic that’ but it is the Koreans who deserve all the credit for excellent organisation and discipline. As expected, unlike his tears, he was a handful in the first half. There was probably a bit too much adrenaline running through his blood at times, possibly taking what appeared to be a shoot on sight tactic too far. His hold up play in general was pretty darn good though.
On the next games for N.Korea, I don’t particularly see the Portuguese worrying them even as much as Brazil, although the raw strength and physicality of the Ivorians will be a much greater threat, especially if they decide to beat the first man on set-pieces. But I do feel that the Portuguese will have a positive result against Brazil if they decide to play counter-attack football.
Sitting deep and counter-attacking may be the best way for most teams to face Brazil, unless you can ally outstanding technique and ball retention with pressing tactics.
Excuse me, did you just say ‘Spain’?
oh, and other thing:
Nobody was talking about Robinho. It was only Messi, Rooney, Ronaldo, Kaká, Sneijder, Xavi, but never Robinho.
He’s dying to destroy this World Cup, to shut up the critics that say “his football ain’t objective enough to play a strong league” and to get himself a big transfer, since he will be leaving Santos this August, back to Manchester City.
So, fear Robinho.
He’s great for Brazil because he’s given his own designated role, almost unlike any other position in football. City tried playing him on the left of a 4-4-2 half the time…
…which was the most moronic piece of tactical thinking I can recall!
As if playing an outside-left in a flat four midfield were bad enough, to compound it, Robinho would probably consider himself a second-striker.
But we shouldn’t be surprised with Hughes; I recall how during the Kaka will-he-or-won’t-he-to Man City saga in January 2009, the then City boss leaked to journalist how he considering lining City up in a 4-1-4-1 formation; with Kaka playing something of a Xavi role! Incredible misjudgement of a player’s characteristics, isn’t it?
By the way, thanks ZM for making me appear clever and well informed to my friend !
Do people see something in Juan that I don’t? I think Luisao is the much better player, and is far more physically imposing, he would manhandle Heskey or any other big target man. Maybe it is a pace thing, but Juan isn’t exactly fast.
Luisao is a great leader and organizer for Benfica, and can get his head on a corner for a goal.
Juan isn’t the best choice if you look only at individuals. I really, really like Thiago Silva, a youn, fast and physical centre-back that also has good shot. Luisão too is better on the air than Juan, not so technical though.
What makes Juan the first choice is his understanding with Lucio and JC. The three seem to communicate in the pitch without talking. Sometimes that is more important than comparing pace, or jumping, or strength, etc, specially for a short tournament.
Also, Juan is a more classic defender, the most technical of all 4 centrebacks, he rarely commits fouls, always tackling the ball, and never looking uncomfortable or shakey, like Lucio does sometimes. They complete each other.
You never know how much managers read into friendlies, but Thiago Silva perhaps blew his chance in the Zimbabwe game. Benjani ran him ragged.
Any talk of David Luiz getting a chance after the tournament?
He’s obviously in the picture — especially when you consider that Luisao is his team mate at Benfica.
I do wish that Dunga had called him up at some point, especially since Luiz is a competent left back as well. He doesnt really attack that much in that role, but it would’ve been nice to see Dunga experiment with him — we all know how much Dunga loves versatile players.
That long-throw’s not a bad last resort either…
Juan is about as solid positionally as anybody in the world, just always in the right place. He never looks like he’s doing that much, because he doesn’t generally dominate aerially and doesn’t make a lot of flashy tackles (mainly because he doesn’t need to), but he just stifles most attacks before they can even get started. Take a look at how much better Roma has been with him in the lineup than without him over the last couple of seasons.
@ZM
could you give the german TV reporter Bela Rethy a tactical coaching or a briefing about the teams?
I was so angry, because he was bashing Brazil at half time.
I’ve heard some bad commentators over the years, but yesterday was maybe the worst.
Thanks for the pre WC analysis, the game was what I expected.
With all respects to Brazil team, N.K made them look pretty ordinary. If not for that Maicon goal (which I think went inside because of altitude effects on Jubulani) the second goal would not have happened. There is no doubt at all that N.K were little disappointed by that first goal, and they were out of the game for a few minutes.
This N.Korean effort was the best hearts on sleeves display we have seen so far in this WC.
ZM, did you notice that Fabiano was repeatedly ‘warned’, strangely only warnings, by the referee, most of the times for fouls inside the Korean box. He should have been carded, at least twice.
Yeah, that was odd. Rarely see a striker booked for persistent fouling in an attacking area.
Maicon has scored several goals from that angle – both for Inter and Brazil. So it wasn’t the jabulani.
I think both teams played with heart — most teams in Brazil’s situation would’ve been easily flustered. The performance reminded me of Brazil’s game against the US last year. A win was inevitable. Just a matter of time.
Can’t agree more, three centre-backs is somehow a waste of players in the middle. Constant pressure from Bastos and Maicon finally rewards a goal for the Brazilians and then the game is over for the North Koreans. One of the best matches in this world cup in my opinion (the other two go to Deutschland-Australia and Côte d’lvoire-Portugal).
Anyways, respect to the North Korea team. They played a clean game. No dangerous tackles, no argument with referee, no diving, friendly to Brazil players. This is so rare in modern football.
Ok,
Generally I find coverage on this site to be very even handed. However this, and the other article (the one on Maicons goal) seem to wander a little too much towards vuvuzela blowing(despite the nod and wink at the start of this article)
The game played out as one might expect, but the plaudits for brazillian patience are perhaps overblown. Korea set out as a 5-3-2, and were very happy to let brazil funnel the ball wide. PRK had dominence in their own box with respect to aeriel and ground delivery. They were to be fairly happy to soak up the pressure and hit on the counterattack. all so far so good. Essentially brazil when in posession played tactically into the PRKs hands. having 3 nominal men in midfield becomes a bunk issue when a team is playing on the counterattack. Brazil can be nominally seen to play 1 up front but this is not the case when counterattacking or playing posession and thus is not mentioned. the PRKs 3 in the middle is equally invalid as a criticism imho
Brazil in the first half and indeed until maicons perhaps fluke goal, were looking devoid of ideas. Maicon was their best player While PRK allowing the out ball to him to often go uncontested, and one might view that as a folly considering A)where the goal came from, and B) essentially maicon is the 3rd most attacking player in the dunga system and indeed they are as a team set up to creat space for him to attack balls hard/create space from decoy runs… but the fact is that PRK frustrated the brazillian system for 60 min and it took an unreproduceable goal to do break the deadlock, maicon was brazils most consistent thread, but he was not hugely effective per unit time on the ball.
What does this mean, well to be hoenst, it showed that brazil do not have a plan B. This is important. Tactical patience is only called such when you win. When you lose it is easily regarded as a lack of creativity. Brazil showed a lack of tactical creativity, for a team designed to be more than the sum of its parts, it was within 35 min reduced to relying on individuals to make something happen..(robinho in this respect thrived as the match went on to be fair to him and the second goal was a result of himself and elano keepng their heads up more than it was a product of the system). This is not how the story according to dunga should go. The win, while it was through maicons break through, was imho despite the system.
The second goal was better football, but i think that it would not have come about if not for the sucker punch that was the first.
Jong was a real handful for brazil and perhaps showed that for all the gifts of Lucio and Juan, the brazillian defence are vulnerable to counterattacking football, and specificly counterattacking football where someone can physically make them think twice.
And even if that statement does not sway you, at the very least it was shown that the brazillian defence can be caught unawares.
I think opposition teams will have taken notice of this game, i think it has shown that a 5-3-2 has its place in the modern game, and perhaps is a shape that could be effective against 4-2-3-1 type shapes that take advantage of men coming from deep… men cannot come from deep if they are already facing a (deeplying/numerically superiior) defence, yes it is simplistic, but it is likely to be something taken into account.
Sorry for the rambling and poorly worded post,
I just feel that Brazil running out of ideas is something that has been overlooked.. They are still likely to grind their way deep into the knockout stage, but, i think the lack of plan b might well be their undoing.
Since most points have been made in previous posts about how good Robinho was and shutted a few mouths (including mine I have to admit) and how Kaka and Fabiano were the real flukes (they need to improve urgently) I’m gonna make my points short.
Firstly Elano. Hmhmhmhmhmhmmmm…..yes he’s involved in both goals and that is a real contribution in the game but is it only me who thinks those are almost the only things he did last night? What I mainly noticed is that he still can’t offer Maicon the support he needs so that Brazil can exploit Maicon’s full (and apparently immense) potential and impact on a game. I’d like to see more of a Daniel Alves-Maicon right hand side (Alves played too little last night). It could possibly be more dangerous even if Alves is a right back albeit an extremely attacking one
Secondly complacency. North Korea’s goal was completely up to complacency on part of the brazilian defence. I wouldn’t go as far as to propose it’ll cost them their WC future although it’s a valid point. It is nevertheless a worrying sign on such a top level team
Oh no, ZM is becoming popular here come the haters! can the quality of the articles decrease so we can rid our selves of this evil. its such a shame this was one of the few websites i could read the comments, due to the fact they where well written and intresting.
Great coverage on the greatest defeat.
Just want to point out an error regarding North Korea No. 17. His full name is An Yong-Hak, not Yon Hak-An.
(I know it’s confusing with Asian names ~)
Excellent post, ZM. As a neutral I love Brazil and want them to win. Hope they score a couple more goals and bring joy to us fans.
Do you think it’s worth the risk of bringing Kaka as a substitute when the team is leading by a goal or two, to get him into the rhythm, fitness and form? Or do you feel its worth playing him initially and getting substituted later on?
One question is “why not do away with offside rules?” we would have more goals, which is what football is mostly about. teams will then not try to run away and create offside positions.
Doing away with offside would lower the number of goals scored. This is something most people who understand the history of the game (and why offside was introduced over 100 years ago) know but a lot of people take for granted.
Curious random comment, but it would certainly not help the game.
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